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January 12, 2009

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Pagar

I have said that under my administration we will not torture.

I wonder how far back one would have to go to find those exact same words said by Fidel Castro?

matt

apparently his people are leaking that Obama will issue an executive order closing the prison on his first day in office.

matt

I would suggest that if they are in fact bad guys, we send them back to their home countries. It's not our problem, and if China or Algeria or Tunisia decide to use their own standards of justice, well, it's their problem, not ours.

PDinDetroit

Willie Horton is a household name around here for a long time...

LUN

PDinDetroit

Matt - are we really sure we can trust their home countries to "do the right thing"?

I, for one, would not want to see these people free again. I can see that some of these people will be loose again to do bad things.

PDinDetroit

I have said that under my administration we will not torture.

How long will it be before "torture" is redefined?

Every time Obama speaks, it FEELS like torture.

clarice

I happy to have some experience with such a thing. In one of the post war refugee acts, germany was compelled to take back any displaced persons we subsequently learned were ineligible for settlement here. Decades later we found some who had come here from displaced persons camps in Germany who were ineligible to remain because they'd lied to cover working for the Nazis. Rather than go thru a whole rigamarole, I persuaded one of these guys to simply return there. He did.
The German govt was very angry when they found out.

Tough S*&(

bad

We're being too hard on O. He has an excellent explanation for a shifting torture policy. His personal definition and experience of the pracice changes with each passing wedding anniversary.

BobS

wait a minute, I thought under Bush we'd lost our moral standing in the world beacuse of Gitmo? Right? Thats what we were told. you mean we are keeping prisoners at Gitmo to keep them being tortured

MayBee

apparently his people are leaking that Obama will issue an executive order closing the prison on his first day in office.

Yes, he's going to issue an order on his first day that Gitmo be closed. He will then commence figuring out how and when.

Cecil Turner

I see the One has spoken on the subject:

I have said that under my administration we will not torture.
Ah, yes, let's contrast that with this telling quote from the nefarious George W. Bush:
This country doesn't torture, we're not going to torture.
Yep, lotsa hopey changey goodness there. On the actual nuts-and-bolts, I'd be interested to see if President Obama outlaws the waterboard at SERE school--the only place we currently use it AFAICT--because if not, I'm having a real hard time seeing what is different under the upcoming administration, except for a little added hypocrisy (and his heart is pure, of course, everybody knows that).

MayBee

While I am thrilled that he found compelling Cheney's advice that he wait to see what the programs are and why they were implemented before he changes anything, I am distraught to think he actually had to be told that.

BobS

I heard OReilly on the way home from school today who indicated that his biggest criticism of Bush was that he failed to answer critics and in most cases correct the record. I agree. By not entering the debate when truth was on his side, he failed to lead. The American psyche is to listen to their President in issues of national security. DEMs now have the narrative that the truth won't get back until the historians get a hold of it in who knows when.

BobS

Jack Bauer rocks!

clarice

**I happEN to have some experience with such a thing. **

Elroy Jetson

I feel like a torture victim every time one of these yahoo politicans tell me we shouldn't torture.
They won't answer the "ticking timebomb" question, though. Is it torture for them to answer torture questions?
I need a good waterboarding right now...as long as a couple of martinis and a cuban cigar follow.

liontooth

Yes, he's going to issue an order on his first day that Gitmo be closed. He will then commence figuring out how and when.

And an actual opposition party would champion and introduce legislation and force Obama to do it now.

peter

quote:
I heard OReilly on the way home from school today who indicated that his biggest criticism of Bush was that he failed to answer critics and in most cases correct the record. I agree. By not entering the debate when truth was on his side, he failed to lead. The American psyche is to listen to their President in issues of national security. DEMs now have the narrative that the truth won't get back until the historians get a hold of it in who knows when. end quote

That really was because Bush was not articulate enough to speak up when the press was sandbagging him. Obadiah can't speak extemporaneously either but not to worry the press ain't gonna lay a hand on him.

sbw

As usual I close threads with comments that should go into the new thread. Sigh.

PDinDetroit

Clarice - I agree in principal, these people really should be the "problems" of their own governments. My issue is with their governments' ability/focus on dealing with them effectively and the nutballs' ideological beliefs.

The issue really is ideological, I believe. Was America the "Great Satan" to those Germans as it is with the Islamofascists? Do these people align themselves more with a country than with religion?

I believe that we have seen some whom were released back on the battlefield against us and not in their home countries. Making these people quietly disappear should have been handled long ago...

sbw

Couldn't the remaining Gitmo detainees be put into a small launch next to some Somali pirates racing to shore with their loot?

clarice

Well, I am not questioning your point,PD. But if the home countries are not hostile to us, they should get those citizens back we decide to send them.
SBW may have the best idea, though.

Cecil Turner

Listened to NPR on the way home: two liberal professors can't agree on whether or not to prosecute GWB for war crimes. At one point Turley claims we prosecuted Yukio Asano for waterboarding, but that's just a bit incomplete:

Charge: Violation of the Laws and Customs of War: 1. Did willfully and unlawfully mistreat and torture PWs. 2. Did unlawfully take and convert to his own use Red Cross packages and supplies intended for PWs.

Specifications:beating using hands, fists, club; kicking; water torture; burning using cigarettes; strapping on a stretcher head downward

It's also noteworthy that the PWs were uncontested lawful combatants, and thus entitled to the full protection of the pertinent Geneva Convention POW article:
Prisoners who refuse to answer may not be threatened, insulted, or exposed to unpleasant or disadvantageous treatment of any kind whatever. [emphasis added]
It's par for the course, however, that both "sides" of the debate are drawn from lefty "experts."

E. Nigma

Osama bin Laden's driver has already been released from prison in Yemen.

Could there be a sequel in this to "Driving Miss Daisy"?

"Guilty as hell, free as a bird." Where did we hear that one before? And remember, by the end of the '50's all the German "war criminals" in Spandau Prison were out; even those with "life sentences" for "crimes against humanity"; except for Albert Speer, I think.

I wonder what the recidivism rate is for Islamic militant-terrorists?

clarice

OT but verbatim from today's presser:
"Q Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. President, in recent days, there's been a fair amount of discussion in legal circles about whether or not you might give preemptive pardons, pardons in advance, to officials of your administration who engaged in anything from harsh interrogation tactics to perhaps dismissing U.S. attorneys. I'd like to know, have you given any consideration to this? And are you planning on it?

THE PRESIDENT: I won't be discussing pardons here at this press conference.
"

Cecil, I remember when Turley was or pretended to me a fairly neutral legal commentator..What an utter joke he's become.

Danube of Thought

Suppose their home country is Somalia? Yemen? Libya?

I'm not concerned with their home countries treating them inconsistently with the US Eighth Amendment. I'm concerned with their resuming their flying lessons and chemical studies.

No matter what EO Obama issues on day one, come Friday, May 8 (day 101) that prison will still be functioning.

Remember, this guy also said repeatedly that his first day in office he would call in the Joint Chiefs and give them a new mission: end this war. As we now know, he's not going to do a damn thing Bush wouldn't have done--unless he's crazy.

Pofarmer

Well, heard a clip on the radio saying that Obama will close Gitmo in the first 30 days of his administration. Sebellius has already said that she will resist any efforts to hold them in Kansas.

Grab the Popcorn,this should be fun.

matt

PD;

I was being a bit cynical, as is my wont at times. If the Chinese get some of their terrorists back, or the Egyptians or Algerians, I somehow think they would be "killed while trying to escape" if you know what I mean. They are rather more sanguine about these things.

One of the prime issues with Guantanamo was that in most cases wither the detainees were:

A - really bad guys from failed nations like Afghanistan, Somalia, Yemen, or Chechnya

B - Their own countries did not want them back for political reasons

C - They would be on the next plane back to Pakistan to beging killing infidels as soon as possible.

D - all of the above.

Pofarmer

As we now know, he's not going to do a damn thing Bush wouldn't have done--unless he's crazy.

I dunno about crazy, stupid I can buy into.

matt

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We did execute a lot of the most serious war criminals after WW II. I believe the number was over 200.A lot of them also saved us the trouble by doing it themselves in the final days of the reich.

PDinDetroit

Clarice - I loved the article about Scooter. I also believe that President Bush should pardon him along with the Border Patrol Agents.

sdw - great idea! 2 for 1 deals are always good...

With all the talk about pardons, why hasn't any lefty-liberal cry-baby been boisterous and demand that President Bush just pardon the Gitmo Gang?

Can you imagine the chaos on the left that this "shock and awe" tactic would reveal? President Bush pardoning the Gitmo Gang and shipping them back home - the left would so torture themselves into fits of circular-logic.

Popcorn sales at an all-time high.

Danube of Thought

Here's an excerpt from one news report:

"But the order, which one adviser said could be issued as early as Jan. 20, would start the process of deciding what to do with the estimated 250 al-Qaida and Taliban suspects and potential witnesses who are being held there. Most have not been charged with a crime."

Let us hope this isn't a precursor of Obama's style of governance. The words on that piece of paper will most definitely not "start the process of deciding what to do" with these guys; that process started long, long ago. And once the order is signed, every day that passes with the place still being open is going to bring Obama added grief.

And note the extent to which we've pretty much lost the terms of this debate: "Most have not been charged with a crime." Neither had any of the 400,000 German prisoners held in camps on American soil in 1945.

Pofarmer

I wonder what the recidivism rate is for Islamic militant-terrorists?

Zero if they have a bullet between the eyes.

Pofarmer

And note the extent to which we've pretty much lost the terms of this debate: "Most have not been charged with a crime."

We never had a chance with the MSM. No one will acknowledge that they aren't "criminals" in any sense.

PDinDetroit

Po - c'mon, let's give then the same option that the rest of the Cuban Population has. They can build boats out of scrap materials and test their mettle out on the Open Water.

I wonder how many Desert Rats will make it home?

Pofarmer

DOT, this goes back to your comments about not having any Republicans in office. The current crop is largely scared of the MSM, and their own shadow. They aren't willing to take the terms of debate and run with it. They are more worried about the MSM liking them so they can get reelected than doing what's right.

Pofarmer

They can build boats out of scrap materials and test their mettle out on the Open Water.

I wonder how many Desert Rats will make it home?

I can picture a ring of rednecks with bass boats and deer rifles, maybe the odd ar 15 or mini 14.

PeterUK

"Yes, he's going to issue an order on his first day that Gitmo be closed."

That is what he was elected for,to look after the interests of your enemies.

New interrogation technique,
A phone call from Blago,
Lunch with Nancy,
Breakfast with Michelle.

Ralph L

Reopen Alcatraz.

bad

LOL PUK

clarice

I was wondering when you'd show up, PUK..
Thanks,pd.

bad

Whatever O does will be to save us all, CNN says so:

In style and substance, Barack Obama is looking like he could be a different president than the candidate voters got to know during the campaign.

His message of changing the country has been replaced by one of repairing the country as he inherits crises that demand immediate action.

The Agent of Repair...does it come with a costume?

PDinDetroit

PUK - That definitely would quality as "cruel and unusual" punishment, and thus outlawed by all those feeling people on the left. The lefty wonders would consider those sacred and would wear them as a badge of honor having experienced them.

On the right, we would say "hell yes, let'em fry"!

Although one must wonder, what happens after lunch with Nancy that leads to breakfast with Michelle? That sounds like the real torture....

PDinDetroit

bad - yes, a plumber's comes to mind, but the BBC (Barack Butt Crack) would be more than any could bear. We were already tortured by his moobs for crying out loud, wasn't that enough?????

Pal2Pal (Sara)

Yes, he's going to issue an order on his first day that Gitmo be closed. He will then commence figuring out how and when.

I hear there is a mansion in Chicago that will be available for the next 4 years.

bad

Hilarious Sara!!!

Topsecretk9
Obama’s top terrorism and intelligence adviser, John O. Brennan, heads a firm that was cited in March for breaching sensitive files in the State Department’s passport office, according to a State Department Inspector General’s report released this past July.

The security breach, first reported by the Washington Times and later confirmed by State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, involved a contract employee of Brennan’s firm, The Analysis Corp., which has earned millions of dollars providing intelligence-related consulting services to federal agencies and private companies.

During a State Department briefing on March 21, 2008, McCormack confirmed that the contractor had accessed the passport files of presidential candidates Barack Obama, Hillary Rodham Clinton, and John McCain, and that the inspector general had launched an investigation.

Sources who tracked the investigation tell Newsmax that the main target of the breach was the Obama passport file, and that the contractor accessed the file in order to “cauterize” the records of potentially embarrassing information.

“They looked at the McCain and Clinton files as well to create confusion,” one knowledgeable source told Newsmax. “But this was basically an attempt to cauterize the Obama file.”...

LUN

PeterUK

The Agent of Repair. Just don't ask about his license or qualifications.

bad

ha ha peteruk

Rick Ballard

DoT - I can't find the "100 days", I found this, which contains:

There has not been one conviction of a terrorist act. I have faith in America's courts, and I have faith in our JAGs. As President, I will close Guantanamo, reject the Military Commissions Act, and adhere to the Geneva Conventions. Our Constitution and our Uniform Code of Military Justice provide a framework for dealing with the terrorists.

While I will never hesitate to call Barry Barack Hussein Dunham Soetero Obama a liar (and a thief), I would like to compile a nice May 8th present for all of the credulous cretins supporters who believed his absurd mendacity words. Have you seen some "First Hundred Days" compilation of lies and misrepresentations promises?

PeterUK

I suppose the could cal him "Joe the President".

PDinDetroit

Rick - in a previous post, I was asking if anyone had the list of accomplishments of 2006 Congress' "100 Hours War" so we could match this against Barry O's "100 Hours War".

Ought to be an interesting match-up, maybe Jake Tapper could do it?

bad

Insty has this linked, Chicago SunTimes: LUN

The press corps, most of us, don't even bother raising our hands any more to ask questions because Obama always has before him a list of correspondents who've been advised they will be called upon that day.

Ask a mean question and you won't get to go to recess...

PDinDetroit

bad - only the ones who will reflect the correct story need apply.

PeterUK

"As President, I will close Guantanamo, reject the Military Commissions Act, and adhere to the Geneva Conventions."

Well Obama might "adhere to the Geneva Conventions",but unfortunately the enemies your military will be combating are not signatories.So in actuality Obama can ponce around Washington feeling virtuous whilst some poor grunt stars in a snuff video.
Again,on who's side is Obama on?

bad

PDinD, she points out how differently they (the press corp) go after Blago than they do O.

I wonder if O will call on her again?

bad

...adhering to our core values and ideals and that's what I intend to carry forward in my administration.

This statement is very scary. What core values?...stated on what day?

matt

There's an atoll out in the Pacific; Johnston Atoll, that is 1,000 miles from anywhere. It used to be a small Naval/Marine base during WW II. Maybe we could put the detainees out there on an all expense paid long term vacation. Sun, sand..more sun, more sand...no TV...and they can all study the Q'uran all day long....Once a year a ship anchors off the atoll and drops off food and potable water...it's not really detention...it's a vacation....

matt

whose core values?

bad

whose core values?

O's and John McCain's

Rick Ballard

If he's going to cut them loose, I'd prefer to see them paroled in DC. I'm sure they could find honest work as cab drivers and crossing guards. I'd prefer the Capitol Security detail but that might be a little difficult to swing. (Clarice could stay in FL for a while.)

clarice

Big article in the paper today confirming what I've been saying--the rest of the country may be getting poorer but all your pocket change is ending up here..we're booming..sort of like Brussels.


Pofarmer

I don't think O knows any more about the Geneva conventions than he does about the Constitution.

Mel

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That mansion thingie was not that funny. We have enough "entertainment" on the streets around here, higher murder rate than some well known Middle Eastern destinations, not including the "strip" of course.

Soylent Red

adhere to the Geneva Conventions

Pretty close PUK. Not only are those in question not signatories of the Geneva Conventions, they are not even covered by them.

But that's not important. What is important is that it sounds so presidential and glorious when he says that kind of crap.

Danube of Thought

Everything that's been done at Gitmo is precisely in accord with the Geneva Conventions.

It is apparent that he does not know the difference between detention as punishment for a crime, and detention as a means of obtaining information and preventing an attack. Heaven help us.

Porchlight

Guantanamo is in Cuba, right? Why don't we just open the gates and let the detainees frolic with their buds the Castros? If it weren't for the fact that ordinary Cubans would pay a price for it down the line, I'd say it's a perfect scheme. Cheap too.

Neo

This backpedaling must be torture for the Left.

Mel

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PeterUK

You might like to see this video. Chuck Schumer is his usual oleaginous self.Read the comments,the man(?) is making an impression even here.

Mel

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(That large scale was a complete bust!)

Pal2Pal (Sara)

Didn't the President say in his presser this morning that it would (paraphrasing) behoove Obama to look at what's what before he makes these blanket statements? I think this close Gitmo story is lefty wishful thinking.

BTW, if you missed the press conference, I have it in 2 parts.

And for fun and enlightenment, you might find it fun to listen to these parting words from 20 years ago.

Neo

Why don't we just open the gates and let the detainees frolic with their buds the Castros?

If they get past the landmines, these mostly Islamic zealots will cause havoc in the God-less topia of Cuba.

MayBee

'd be interested to see if President Obama outlaws the waterboard at SERE school--the only place we currently use it AFAICT--because if not, I'm having a real hard time seeing what is different under the upcoming administration, except for a little added hypocrisy (and his heart is pure, of course, everybody knows that).

Good point, Cecil.
What kind of CinC/POTUS is willing to treat his own soldiers more harshly than a captured known terrorist like KSM?

Rick Ballard

"What kind of CinC/POTUS is willing to treat his own soldiers more harshly than a captured known terrorist like KSM?"

One that considers the Adhan the "sweetest sound on earth"?

PDinDetroit

Slightly off-topic...

Looks like someone from the BBC is lining Chrysler CEO Nardelli up to be bitch slapped...

LUN.

centralcal

I can hardly wait for the first time the press asks the anointed one a tough question or, perhaps, a series of them. He has already had quite a few missteps in his transition, so some doozy mistakes after ascendency are assured.

Will he subtly rub his face with his middle finger? Will his calm cool crumble under the hot klieg lights of a White House press conference? Will he resort to "jive talkin'" when he doesn't have the answers the press want?

PeterUK

Why would there be any need foe SERE school? The Obama Schutzstaffel won't actually get captured.

PDinDetroit

Now here is an electric car that I could get into and probably will this year...

LUN

Pofarmer

If you wanna get royally pissed off, watch that Ann Coulter segment on the View. It's on You tube. Especially at the end when the bitches make fun of Sarah Palin for standing up for herself on her treatment at the hands of the media. This country has gone absolutely to shit, folks. I'm made enough to spit nails. Is there anyone in this country with the balls to do what's right and not what's politically expedient???? Certainly not in Washington. These hags and no goods will demonize any one who might have a chance to do what's right. We just had over half the country prove that on Nov 4 08. I really do despair for our country. I really do despair at our lack of leadership. I really do despair that the media and the elite in this country are leading us over a cliff. Ann uses facts. They don't care about facts. They care about what feels good. "Some women just want a child." "Social justice" all that fuckin bullshit that doesn't get anything done and just creates a new and more entrenched victim class. I don't know how we turn over our govt. Kit Bond is retiring. I'm afraid with the current state of MO we'll be electing a SECOND moonbat to Congress and we'll just be that much further down the rathole. What's wrong with these people?????

Really, everyone should go to youtube and watch the clip. It's very revealing.

Porchlight

I can't, Pofarmer, I'm afraid for my blood pressure. But I agree with everything you say.

Jane

OT:

can Blago pardon himself? It seems the appropriate amount of hubris.

PD

I like how he meanders and wanders all over the place carefully avoiding saying anything specific, and then says:

"But I don't want to be ambiguous about this."

Oh, boy.

Pagar

IMO, one can find Obama's core values here:

"Communist Party Backs Obama
Add this to his following Saul Alinsky, whose stated goal was total
redistribution of wealth, and no one can deny Obama’s Socialist/Communist core
values. ..."

"Announcing the “Frank Marshall Davis roundtable for change” on the Obama website, Maki, a Democratic Party activist and casino worker organizer, explained, “Reading Barack Obama’s book I learned about his mentor, Frank Marshall Davis.” He went on, “Of course, as we all know, Frank Marshall Davis was a Communist and he had a very good understanding of the underlying source of problems which all too often goes unstated and unchallenged and remains hidden because of the high fear-factor level in this country;"I am referring to capitalism―a thoroughly rotten system

clarice

Po, I can't even imagine what lowlifes watch the View regularly. i doubt there's much anyone can do to change their minds because they seem not to have enough to work with. OTOH, the program it seems to me thrives because it regularly engages in provocative stunts which gets others to turn in or go to UTube--Just ignore it.

Captain Hate

Cecil, I remember when Turley was or pretended to me a fairly neutral legal commentator..What an utter joke he's become.

Was the "fairly neutral" time when he had that disturbing tendency to address specific instances when Slick was violating the law? Was it shunning or re-education camps that showed him the error of his ways?

Pagar

I failed to put quotation marks around the bold. It should read "I am referring to capitalism―a thoroughly rotten system"

I agree with Porchlight-I cannot watch the leftists destroy all that is good about America. It is too hard to keep the blood pressure in check.

clarice

Capt, now that you mention it, I believe it was on Clinton and impeachment, etc. He really has gone over the bend.
Frankly, I think so many people get seduced by media attention, they cannot live without it, and either become ridiculously provocative to retian it, or, in Turley's case, swing over to a position the nets are more likely to find air worthy.

Fithian

TM:

"My guess - eventually and to much fanfare Obama will ban waterboarding specifically.  Much more quietly he will allow other CIA "enhanced" techniques."

I' guessing he will conclude that it's the legislature's prerogative to set those terms, and if need be defend that stance by saying that during his administration the President will not abuse the privilege of issuing executive orders. "Abuse" being the lawyerly word in that formulation, of course. Obama has yet to make any statement which doesn't include one, or which can't be diluted by subsequent strategic modifiers.

centralcal:

"I can hardly wait for the first time the press asks the anointed one a tough question or, perhaps, a series of them."

After the inauguration, it's Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, not Obama, who will be fielding the questions. I expect Obama will be delivering statements and messages to the American people, sans distractions, from the Rose Garden and the Oval Office. Transparency will consist of an occasional, exclusive, "behind the scenes" look at family life in the White House starring Mother Michelle and the adorable Obama girls in the kitchen, playing with their new puppy, eating homemade pizza.....

sbw:

"As usual I close threads with comments that should go into the new thread. Sigh."

I feel your pain.

Neo

Speaking">http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/&feature=player_embedded">Speaking of GITMO ... Shocking video

Danube of Thought

Jane, I think in theory he might be able to pardon himself for crimes against Illinois law, but Fitz is all over him on federal beefs, and only the Prez can do that. Not likely until Obama is a lame duck.

PeterUK

"Announcing the “Frank Marshall Davis roundtable for change” on the Obama website, Maki, a Democratic Party activist and casino worker organizer,"

"I am referring to capitalism―a thoroughly rotten system"

Has the bloke had an ironectomy?

Pagar

Sebellius has already said that she will resist any efforts to hold them in Kansas.

I simply cannot believe that there is any American that believes those held at Guantanamo should be bought into the United States. Why on earth would we want to do that?

Rick Ballard

Pagar,

I think that it is difficult to state with conviction that the child rapist, the communist "poet" Davis had a greater impact on Obama's development of the lack of principle clearly evident from his speech and behavior than did his communist mother, stepfather or grandfather. When he discovered his putative "real" father's communist/socialist background during his Arthur Haleyesque search for true fiction "Roots" it probably reinforced the leftist slant - as evident from his selection of the communist/terrorist Ayers as the ghost author of his "autobiography". The breadth and depth of his constant exposure to communists makes the selection of just one as the main communist influence in his life close to impossible.

Sue

American Civil Liberties Union legislative director Caroline Fredrickson called "extremely meaningful" even if the Guantanamo prison can't be closed immediately.

"It's clear that there is a process of time that will be necessary to close it properly, to make sure that human rights and respected and security is protected," Fredrickson said. "But the fact that it's set in motion is extremely good news."

They don't care if Gitmo is actually closed. They just want the words. Obama just has to set in motion what Bush has already set in motion for them to shut up.

Pofarmer

Why on earth would we want to do that?

They're leftists, why do they do anything?

PeterUK

"Transparency will consist of an occasional, exclusive, "behind the scenes" look at family life in the White House starring Mother Michelle and the adorable Obama girls in the kitchen, playing with their new puppy, eating homemade pizza....."

Yes,where are these? Usually, when a new face hits the news,the MSM are all over them.Childhood anecdotes,old school friends,colleagues,drinking buddies,the lot.
There are endless articles about favourite food,colours,hobbies,clothes,even inside leg measurements.
So again,where is it all?

Pofarmer

Clarice

Ignoring them ain't working. The MSM and the Lib's need to be taken on HEAD ON. They need some smakign around.

PD

Why not put them up in the Lincoln bedroom?

Sue

Is anyone besides me sort of wondering why Prince Harry is in trouble for calling someone "Paki" and "raghead" and those calling for Jews to be thrown into ovens are getting a pass? Leave Harry alone. She says with tears streaming down her face. (I hope someone gets the joke)

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