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bad

A small taste of 9-11 while enhanced interrogation is being debated--- I blame Cheney, Rove and Halliburton.

Mustang0302

Let's reshoot the whole thing...with the VC-25A, escorted by a Red Tail P-51, a TBM, and an F-102, orbiting over a PT boat, a Swift boat, and USS Reagan in the harbor!

Charlie (Colorado)

Oh, well - WH press flack Robert Gibbs will play both outraged and dumb and the questioning will move on.

You know, you shouldn't let them cast you to type like that.

Pofarmer

What I'm more interested in is the response. Ordinary people apparently DO take the threat seriously, as opposed to the MSM and Dim leadership.

Mickey

Exactly how does a modern day Air Force One and a modern day NYC skyline fit into a WWII movie?

Thomas Collins

I think there is a 99 99/100 perecnt chance it was simply another dumb move by this Administration. There is a 01/100 percent chance that this was some sort of real test of certain response or tracking capabilities, and the Administration wants it to remain quiet.

What's that, you say? My "01/100 percent chance" scenario gives the Administration too much credit? OK, make it .00001/100 percent, but I think there is a chance that there is more than meets the eye to this.

bad

Well, they sure kept it quiet, TC....'ceptin' for those jet engines...

Spiny Norman

Actually, I think the F-16's tail was "chase-plane orange"*, the paint scheme used for test flights (at Edwards AFB at least).

*reddish-orange anyway - they used to be bright orange.

Thomas Collins

Great rejoinder, bad! As Kardinall Offishall might say, you're baaaaaad!! :-))

Sue

The Tuskegee Airmen were guests at Obama's inauguration and they were quoted as saying they never thought they would see the day that a black man was president of the US. I can see how it could be used at the end, or in trailers for the movie.

Spiny Norman

In all honesty, I believe yesterday's flyby has nothing to do with any movie production, because there (apparently) was only one F-16 involved in the flight - the one filming Air Force One.

Sue

Easy way to find out. A reporter asks the question.

peter

In this day and age of photoshop, it was a huge waste of carbon.

Now, it is interesting to note that New Yorkers actually did remember 9/11; loud noises can cure temporary amnesia.

Also, I get quite a kick out of Nanny Bloomberg's faux-outrage. Isn't this just what big government, Bloomberg's raison d'etre is all about? A bureaucrat made a decision to allow a plane to fly.. Now, if the pilot had been eating high salt food with trans-fats.......

clarice

And,Spiny Norman, what was HE filming AF1 low flying over Manhattan for--instead of say soaring over the country at how many thousands of miles up?

clarice

You can tell they are hiding something from Gibbs' brush off that he was too busy with other things to pay attention to this story.

It's what poker players cann a "tell".

clarice

**caLL a "tell"**

matt

isn't using public resources for a private project without the proper paperwork illegal?

clarice

One poster suggested this was intended for the 100 days extraganza but now won't be used.

Why not just dust off the styrofoam pillars and clean the toga?

Sancho

Asking whether a given thing would make sense in a movie is not a relevant question in trying to guess whether it will be in a George Lucas movie.

Frau Jedöns

The Tuskegee Airmen deserve someone in the WH as authentic as they are. They and we must endure a fraudulent, biracial "progressive" charlatan who is heck-bent on turning our country into the United States of Alinsky. Where's PUK or Mark Steyn when I need to laugh?

matt

wouldn't they use a dedicated photo plane for any filming purposes? There are some ANG units with reconnaissance capability, but I would think they would want ultra high definition/35/70mm quality footage for a George Lucas production. The 100th fighter Squadron (Red Tail/Tuskeegee Airmen) does have the red tail but is a fighter squadron. So who was taking the pictures?

MayBee

Spiny could be right about the color of the tail.
But hey! What coincidental timing that Specter decided to change parties JUST TODAY.
Isn't that crazy good luck for Obama?

PeterUK

"But hey! What coincidental timing that Specter decided to change parties JUST TODAY."

You mean he has decided to become a Republican?

clarice

Maybe they figured any red tail would do--

clarice

As to Specter--There's a video of him (link Drudge) in mid-March saying he'd never switch, that checks and balances are too important.

Spiny Norman

Since the camera plane was one of theirs, we might get a better answer if some reporter asked the Air Force what was going on, rather than the White House.

If it were a Hollywood movie production, there would have been weeks of advance notice, and no one would have told the FAA to keep it under wraps.

Extraneus

Yeah, MayBee. You think Rahm made the phone-call directly, or through Reid?

I bet independents will be more worried than happy over the Specter move.

Charlie (Colorado)

Do you think Specter changing parties reduced his chances of winning the GOP primary?

Spiny Norman

Specter just claimed he "was not going to allow his 29-year record to be judged by the Pennsylvania Republican primary electorate".

I can't imagine a more arrogant and self-serving admission of defeat. Gave the one-finger salute to the Pennsylvania GOP, he did. What a jerk.

clarice

How do we know whose camera plane it was or what equipment it carried or what procedures a movie company would use?
I assume that whoever got flyover Manhattan permission was very high up and wouldn't get it without WH permission andknowing this WH, George Lucas would have dibbs over the AF.

MayBee

Yeah, MayBee. You think Rahm made the phone-call directly, or through Reid?

Gibbs today said Specter has close relationship to many in the WH, but didn't answer about Obama talking to him before he made this decision.

During the campaign, Obama was the master of rolling out Super Delegates with very specific timing. Remember when John Edwards suddenly endorsed Obama just as the nightly news was going to start the night after Hillary whomped him in West Virginia (and knocked the Hillary news off the news?)

This was planned. It was a 99th-day gift.

clarice

Newsmeat has Lucas contributing over $33k to Obama in the primary:
http://www.newsmeat.com/billionaire_political_donations/George_Lucas.php

I suspect he contributed more thru the general and indirectly as well.

verner

A bit OT, but Timothy Noah continues to make a complete ass of himself trying to disprove Thiesson and the Library tower.

In the piece, he goes through a long litany of plots that WERE actually thwarted, kind of disproving his point, and goes through hoops and tunnels to try and say that what the OLC plainly states just isn't so. All based on "public record" mind you.

Putz.

Spiny Norman

If it were a movie production, they would used a larger camera plane - more stable flight, room for a much larger camera and no plexiglass window in front of the camera lens.

This flyby was almost certainly for publicity photo purposes. Whether for the White House or the Air Force is the question.

Extraneus

Good one from Politico: Moderates blame conservatives

Specter switched parties Tuesday after a recent poll showed him badly losing a Pennsylvania Republican primary next year to Club for Growth founder Pat Toomey. Toomey’s staunchly fiscally conservative political action committee backs only those Republicans who support a low-tax, limited-government agenda and comes down hard on those who break with party orthodoxy.

"I don't want to be a member of the Club for Growth,” said [Lindsay] Graham. “I want to be a member of a vibrant national Republican party that can attract people from all corners of the country — and we can govern the country from a center-right perspective.”

As if the next election won't be about socialism vs. "a low-tax, limited-government agenda."

matt

Specter may not even be around for his reelection. The reports are that he has cancer, and that one of the reasons he voted for Obama's stimulus plan was that a provision was inserted for more research on the kind of cancer he has.

As Obama bankrupts the country and tea parties proliferate, isn't Sen. Graham's comment ill timed?

MayBee

I do want the GOP to have a big tent, but I don't see a lot of benefit to holding on to the guy who voted for the stimulus bill.
Graham didn't.

clarice

I remember Specter from almost 40 years ago when he was Philadelphia D.A. My client. Jock Yablonski, his wife and daughter were murdered in their beds and we knew that the UMWA was behind it. It took years to successfully prosecute all the participants--ending finally with the union president Tony Boyle. And Specter never faltered in that. He gave us the best prosecution team and all the funds necessary for them to do their work..and it took guts for him to do that.

So, yes, this is a sad day for me--remembering how brave he once was and how weak he is today.

Did they promise him the chairmanship of the Judiciary Committee? What does this mean for judicial nominees if that's so? And what of his staff?

Extraneus

Obama orders review of New York City flyover

Gibbs said that the review would likely take about a week or so to complete. He said he would have to confer with White House lawyers before answering a question about whether the results would be made public.
Whew! We can rest easy now. Hope it's as complete as that review of the Blago contacts.

clarice

Right--no need to ask any questions. The Won has a handle on it.

Carnac:And the answer to the inquiry is:It wasn't Obama's fault.

MayBee

A week sounds juuuuust long enough to hope people forget to ask for the follow-up.

hit and run

peter:
In this day and age of photoshop, it was a huge waste of carbon.


Tell me about it.

Air Force One Photo Op

clarice

Brilliant, Hit..Maybe TM will post it at the top of the thread.

peter

Nice job, Hit


I dig the shadow over the water. Yo

Pofarmer

isn't using public resources for a private project without the proper paperwork illegal?

Uhhmmmm, you may or may not have noticed, but, whether or not something is, like, actually legal, doesn't seem to bother this administration a whole lot.

PeterUK

H&R
How did you get so close?

hit and run

PUK:
How did you get so close?


I'm like Visa (everywhere you wanna be)...speaking of close, I wanted to do one with Obama sticking his head out of the window of AF1, waving to the adoring terrified and terrorized throngs.

Oh well, opportunities wasted.

ben

Watch the liberals that think Specter is too conservative rebel against Read's promise to "clear the primary" and launch a leftist candidate against Specter in the Dem primary. That way he could quit the Republican primary to lose the Democratic primary. A fitting end.

Porchlight

Love the shadow, Hit - nice touch. How on earth did you get a photo into the comments?

centralcal

Boffo - Hit!!! Should be up on Drudge, if you ask me. grin.

ben

"Did they promise him the chairmanship of the Judiciary Committee? "

Yeah, and maybe he is just a trojan horse.

daddy

I don't know anything about the particulars of this particular fly-over, but having spent a lot of time flying into/out of KJFK and KEWR I know from experience that the Terminal area of the New York Air Route Traffic Control Center is one of, if not the busiest and most congested Air Traffic area on the planet. You can fly all the way across the country, casually making calls and politely asking for vectors direct to spots hundreds of miles down the road, but the instant you get switched to New York Center, it is immediately some ultra busy New York controller with a Bronx accent telling you to immediately turn here, descend now, maintain such and such a speed, traffic at your such and such O'clock, and "listen up people!", etc.

What I mean by this is that this is a very demanding, congested environment, and you don't simply zip on up from Andrews and lackadaisically ask NY Center for a low fly by over downtown Manhattan for a photo-op, even if you are Air Force 1. This has to take massive coordination from a whole string of higher ups in the White House, The FAA, and The East Coast ATC hierarchy, and if any of our MSM talking heads or Gibbs try to paint this as anything other than that then I call BULLS__T!

According to ">http://www.nycp.org/publications/2009_0225_airport_congestion.pdf"> this 2009 report, "JFK, Newark Liberty and LaGuardia rank as the country’s most
congested airports. According to the U.S. Department of
Transportation (DOT), only two-thirds of departures from these
airports left on time in 2007, and even fewer arrivals met the schedule.
Nearly three-quarters of nationwide delays are ultimately attributable
to problems originating in the New York region’s airspace, which
handles about one-third of the nation’s flights. These delays cascade
and affect flights at airports throughout the global system."

Simply go to Google and enter "Air Traffic Congestion" in New York" to find plenty of 2009 stories like this">http://gothamist.com/2009/02/25/air_traffic_delays_are_costing_new.php">this one, showing how traffic delays cost the economy 2.6 Billion in losses last year. This may make a 400 dollar haircut on the tarmac at LAX look cheap by comparison.

hit and run

How on earth did you get a photo into the comments?

Well, it was Ann, I believe, who did it first last week or weekend, and then Extraneus too.

I use flickr, which gives you the html for embedding photos, which normally one would use to post on his own blog if he weren't lazy and just using the comments of someone else's blog to do so.

Not sure if typepad has accepted the html all along, and no one ever tried, or if it's a new feature.

Typepad is the bestest!

Sue

Via Drudge:

Reporters want the manifest… Who was on the plane?

They're asking questions, anyway.

Charlie (Colorado)

Nope, that not only didn't work for me, but I apparently got spam blocked besides.

matt

Daddy;

If you recall, that particular stretch along the Hudson is both a flight path for planes taking off from LaGuardia and a flight path inwards to both LGA and JFK at times.I have a beautiful shot my brother took from his plane as it flew down the Hudson one evening.You're right, this would have cost a bundle.

Mustang0302

daddy,

No TFRs in effect...no NOTAM...how'd they clear the airspace for this stunt?

As I recall the TFRs for the flight into LGB a while back (18 March) were published the day prior (17 March).

Charlie (Colorado)

By the way, some of the Obamatons in Ohio have been convicted of voter fraud.

daddy

Matt,

I'd love to see Rush tomorrow try to take his jet and a second, photo-taking jet, (following behind in loose formation), try to get permission to duplicate yesterdays exact flight path of Air Force 1 and the Red Tail F-16, just to prove to the Media and the Public how easy it is and doesn't require much high level coordination. He should start at Andrew's, or wherever Air Force 1 launched from, and submit an IFR Flight-plan at base ops, and then just show us how simple and swift the entire process is. He could even do an in-air broadcast of hour 3 while zipping low level over Ground Zero. I'd love to hear that.

Perhaps he could invite along Gibbs? Nah.

matt

let me know what you think of my latest post. I am scared to death the Obama may actually be a communist, and a Leninist communist to boot.Letting the UAW gain 51% of Chrysler and 40% of GM sounds absolutely insane.

LUN

daddy

Mustang,

Good question. Beats me. I know that I don't know the particulars, But even at our 2 AM arrivals at Newark it is still a mildly hectic environment, so how the heck it's anything less than Traffic Central on a weekday at lunch hour without massive coordination strains credulity. I am standing by to be educated.

Ignatz

Nice blog Matt.
One suggestion; connect the dots between TARP and Detroit.
The bondholders who are being screwed in favor of the UAW are, for the most part, none other than the TARP recipients who have a gun to their heads to roll over on these deals rather than force GM and Chrysler into BK where they would be first in line with their secured debt.
In Chrysler they are being forced to take $2B 'worth' of stock on $7B worth of debt. That stock will probably plummet with the lunatic UAW in charge of the asylum, but in BK, Jeep alone would fetch considerably more than $2B, IMO.

matt

WCBS (New York) sez the Feds threatened the city officials if they let the secret out of the bag, and that the cost of flying Air Force 1 alone is $60,000/hour. An F- 16 is probably the same (much higher maintenance required). So figure 3 planes at $180K/hr for 3 hours = $540,000, plus all the litigation costs. Another wonderful Obama mistake.

clarice

Plus all the delay and congestion costs daddy outlined..

clarice

I propose we call this incident The Joyride Down the Hudson

Sue

Well as the day wears on we are getting drip drip drip of the rest of the story. They are now saying it was for souvenirs for the WH gift shop.

Extraneus

Yes, it was Ann who discovered the trick. To post images in the comments, you have to do a link to somewhere the image is actually stored, like flikr, photo bucket, or some other website. Image links look like this one of Don Obama:

img src="http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_042809/content/01125108.Par.4584.ImageFile.jpg" border=0

Same code, only surrounded by < and >:

You can find the image file urls from doing a View Source in IE and looking in the text of the page.

matt

the Chrysler debtholders are looking to take a $4.9 Billion haircut, and the Treasury is negotiating the deal. So this is what Geithner is doing on the side? Hard to believe when he hardly has the staff.

DrJ

force GM and Chrysler into BK where they would be first in line with their secured debt.

Ignatz,

See today's WSJ (page 8B). Secured GM bondholders are left alone for this proposed haircut -- the offer is for holders of unsecured debt.

Dunno about Chrysler.

TCO

Hello, my RINOs. How is that Bush bailout working out for you. Loving that Keynsian economics? Smoking some Al Queda and Goldman Sachs pole. Sluuuuuurp!

Let the shitheads fail. Let the strong survive. This is right. Charles and Kim are commie little pussies....

"USAA emerged from a tumultuous 2008 strong and growing — well positioned to meet whatever challenges lie ahead. Our 2008 Report to Members details our exceptional results:

USAA remains profitable and returned more than $857 million to our members, a portion of which were bank rebates and rewards.1

We have taken no bailout money.

94% of our members tell us USAA meets or exceeds their family's needs for financial advice and solutions."

centralcal

Gretawire has a memo from the Air Force Press Desk claiming the NYC flyover was a "training mission" and the total cost was $328,835.

Dorothy Jane

Great Photoshop!

Captain Hate

"Asking whether a given thing would make sense in a movie is not a relevant question in trying to guess whether it will be in a George Lucas movie."

Great stuff Sancho.

PeterUK

Which Bush bailout,haven't you noticed it's Jet Joyride at the controls now?

verner

Whooo HOOO!!!!

We were RIGHT!

KSM waterboarded 5 times

183 is the number of POURS

Watch either the Hitchens or Harrigan video to see what a "pour" is...

those short several second little bits of water that are poured from the jug.

LUN

Rick Ballard

The public debt burden of an American family of four has increased by $7,615 in the 100 sad days since President Obama was inaugurated.

IOW - he costs the average American family about as much as their rent and groceries combined.

Captain Hate

I remember Specter from almost 40 years ago when he was Philadelphia D.A. My client. Jock Yablonski, his wife and daughter were murdered in their beds and we knew that the UMWA was behind it. It took years to successfully prosecute all the participants--ending finally with the union president Tony Boyle. And Specter never faltered in that.

Wow that's a case I haven't heard about for a long time. Very impressive that you were involved with that, Clarice; and yes it shows how far Specter has fallen. I've tended to reject blanket statements like "the corruption of power" but obviously it has its seductive charms.

verner

I'll only add that all the left wing bloggers who reported that KSM was wbded 183 times are TOOLS.

clarice

Here are some others who were involved in that,Capt.Fred Barnes hadnled the press for Jock's campaign and Britt Hume was a young cub working for Jack Anderson who spent a lot of time covering the UMWA election, the murders, and the subsequent re-election and victory of the reform wing of the union.

centralcal

How can the Air Force claim this was a training mission?

See LUN

Soylent Red

Obama is blameless

If you just keep repeating this phrase to yourself over and over, you pretty much have a summary of press coverage for the next four years.

PBUH.

Captain Hate

Wow, I had no idea they were involved, Clarice. Is that case even mentioned in US History classes these days by the unionized teachers?

Rick Ballard

SR,

It's odd to see "blameless" attached to a man who was in it early and up to his scrawny neck.

bad

How convenient that swine flu came along ust as a HHS secretary needed to be confirmed.

Absolutely essential in a potential pandemic, you know...

Sebelius and Geithner have a great deal in common.

Jane

As to Specter--There's a video of him (link Drudge) in mid-March saying he'd never switch, that checks and balances are too important.

He is 79 years old. For every year after 65 that an elected official stays in office they should lose 10% of all pension monies and their campaign money should be seized on an annual basis. The former should be retroactive.

It's time to get serious about our island. Not because of Specter but because it is going to get ugly.

Molon Labe

Who was on the plane? Fox reported that the White House said "only Air Force personnel". OK for personnel, but what about passengers?

Captain Hate

I don't know if it's true but somebody at AoS said that mega-douche Ben Afleck was on the plane.

Soylent Red

Who was on the plane?

Can't you just picture Barry and Afleck, ties loosened, high balls in hand, looking out the window like eight-year-olds going, "Woooooooooooohoooooooooo!Take it lower!"?

No kidding, this incident is the kind of mind blowing knucklehead stupid you hear in stories at twelve step meetings.

Sue

According to news reports, Obama was in a meeting in Washington when the plane flew over.

Soylent Red

they should lose 10% of all pension monies a finger

FIFY

Sue

I am listening to Specter now. What. A. Tool.

Sue

He just said that the right wing of the party is purging the party. He should talk to Joe Lieberman. Democrats are trying to get rid of squishy dems as I type. He has not run into Kos yet, has he?

Sue

And all Joe did was continue to support a war he voted for to begin with. Oh yeah, Specter, the democratic party is the party you need to be in.

centralcal

I am not upset that Specter left our party. Now I hope he talks a few others into doing the same - the Maine sisters are a good start.

PeterUK

"Who was on the plane"?

Michelle "Sneaking out the back".

Jane

they should lose 10% of all pension monies a finger

Even better

Molon Labe

"Woooooooooooohoooooooooo!Take it lower!"

How about "Hahahahaha! Look at 'em run!"

TCO

You guys had a chance to fight bailouts and you wiffed. You are morons, tactically strategically and ethically. Go rot in Hell, you RINOs. Suck some Specter-Bush-McCain-Paulson-Bernanke pole while you're there. Hope Goldman rapes your babies.

Charlie (Colorado)

By the way, Hit's photoshop is up on the Corner now.

Anonymously.

bad

Hit's photo shop is at The Corner.

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