Yesterday we noted the odd case of Major Stefan Cook, an Army reservist ordered to Afghanistan. He had brought suit claiming his orders were unlawful because Obama did not meet the Constitutional requirement for the Presidency, namely, being a natural-born citizen.
Today, the always interesting World Net Daily breathlessly describes an odd development:
A U.S. Army Reserve major from Florida scheduled to report for deployment to Afghanistan within days has had his military orders revoked after arguing he should not be required to serve under a president who has not proven his eligibility for office.
His attorney, Orly Taitz, confirmed to WND the military has rescinded his impending deployment orders.
"We won! We won before we even arrived," she said with excitement. "It means that the military has nothing to show for Obama. It means that the military has directly responded by saying Obama is illegitimate – and they cannot fight it. Therefore, they are revoking the order!"
The Confederate Yankee has an idea:
I have no ready explanation for why the military would rescind his deployment orders, unless they plan to keep him stateside to begin a disciplinary investigation against him. Frankly, for the sake of our nation, I hope this is the case.
Because if the Pentagon allows soldiers to simply declare Obama an an illegitimate Command in Chief—as the article would have you believe—it would seem to set a precedent that would lead to chaos in the military, allowing service members to question all orders for the executive branch. It would be anarchy.
Maybe. The Ledger-Enquirer of Georgia has a more prosaic yet puzzling take:
U.S. Army Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, the reserve soldier who says he shouldn't have to go to Afghanistan because he believes Barack Obama was never eligible to be president, has had his deployment orders revoked, Army officials said.
Lt. Col. Maria Quon, U.S. Army Public Affairs Officer, U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis, said Tuesday evening, Cook was no longer expected to report Wednesday to MacDill Air Force Base in Florida for mobilization to active duty.
...
Earlier today, Quon said Cook submitted a formal written request to Human Resources Command-St. Louis on May 8, 2009 volunteering to serve one year in Afghanistan with Special Operations Command, U.S. Army Central Command, beginning July 15, 2009. The soldier's orders were issued on June 9, Quon said.
"A reserve soldier who volunteers for an active duty tour may ask for a revocation of orders up until the day he is scheduled to report for active duty," Quon said.
She added that there is an administrative process to request revocation of orders. As of this afternoon, Cook had not asked for his orders to be revoked, Quon said. She could not say why the soldier's orders were pulled today by 3 p.m. CDT.
"Because of the Privacy Act I couldn't go into it," Quon said.
Hmm - Cook apparently did not follow the standard procedure for un-volunteering, but it looks as if someone figured a lawsuit was a reasonable substitute for a formal request to have one's orders revoked.
MORE: Apparently Keith Olbermann trumpeted the emerging lefty screaming point that Cook is a coward for refusing to go to Afghanistan. The obvious alternative - that he has deliberately created this situation in order to embarrass Obama - seems to have eluded them. [Greyhawk at Mudville Gazette essentially pins down this angle.]
AS TO THE BIRTHER CONSPIRACIES: I have no idea what the current state of play with the birther conspiracies might be (and I am not sure I want to find out), but the I will reiterate the one idea I might be able to pass off as original - Obama's mother and maternal grandparents would not have been cooking the paperwork on Obama's citizenship status in 1961 in order to preserve his Presidential viability in 2008; they would have been doing so in order to enhance their own chances in a custody scuffle with the Kenyan father. In the event of a nasty split, how might the white Ms. Dunham have expected to fare battling a Kenyan family in a Kenyan court for her right to raise a black Kenyan baby back in America? Would she have better chances if the baby were a US citizen?
Obviously, I don't know what actually happened. But it is screamingly obvious to me (but not Dave Weigel!) that the family had immediate and practical incentives to take the necessary steps to nail down Baby Barack's citizenship in 1961, truthfully or otherwise.
To which I should add - regular commenter Thomas Collins opines that, since the Congress accepted the results of the Electoral College, any Constitutional impediment has been waived. Hmm, but what about in 2012?
And Cecil Turner sets us to thinking:
That said, I can't imagine what could possibly be on the birth certificate that would be germane to the case. If he was in fact born in Hawaii (as seems nearly certain), then AFAICT he's a natural-born citizen. The reluctance to produce the document seems very odd, but irrelevant to that case. If I were forced to speculate, I'd guess there's something else embarassing there (e.g., father "unknown").
Hmm - if the Dunhams were plotting to strengthen their own custody claim and diminish that of Barack Sr., asking the registrar to record "father unknown" might be a logical step. Years later it would look bad, following the success of Dreams From My Father, but we are all being exhorted to Move On.
MODEST PROGRESS: In his comments section Dave Weigel implicitly accedes to the notion that the Dunhams had a powerful motive to fudge Obama's citizenship back in 1961 and tries to change both the subject and the burden of proof. My follow-up comment is being blocked there, at least for now. [Now I am getting through.}
From the "More Questions I Am Afraid To Ask" file - didn't the whole 'Trigg Palin is Bristol's baby" theory come back to earth when Bristol gave birth to Tripp on Dec 27, 2008, roughly eight months after Trig was born on April 18, 2008?
Is there some basis by which Sully is keeping hope alive?
Posted by: Tom Maguire | July 15, 2009 at 08:53 PM
It was the red shoes that did it.
Posted by: PeterUK | July 15, 2009 at 08:55 PM
Well I know when I joined the Marine Corp in 1965 I took a oath of Allegiance to the Constitution and swore to defend it against enemies both foreign and domestic. It also said I would obey the orders of the President and officers above me in accordance with the UCMJ.
The Allegiance was to the Constitution not to the men. If this Officer thinks there are domestic enemies in those offices he has sworn to defend against them. I can't see how anyone with a clear understanding of the principles this country were founded on could watch what is happening to our Constitution and not at least understand where Major Cook is coming from. We are most definitely facing a Constitutional crisis.
Posted by: royf | July 15, 2009 at 08:56 PM
Is there some basis by which Sully is keeping hope alive?
Other than being a complete moron?
Posted by: Pofarmer | July 15, 2009 at 08:58 PM
Actually, TM, Weigel is correct in that the burden is on the Birthers, since they're the ones challenging his certificate of live birth, which is per se legal proof of its contents in any court proceeding.
It's the law.
§338-13 Certified copies. (a) Subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18, the department of health shall, upon request, furnish to any applicant a certified copy of any certificate, or the contents of any certificate, or any part thereof.
(b) Copies of the contents of any certificate on file in the department, certified by the department shall be considered for all purposes the same as the original, subject to the requirements of sections 338-16, 338-17, and 338-18.
(c) Copies may be made by photography, dry copy reproduction, typing, computer printout or other process approved by the director of health.
As to why President Obama hasn't gone to extraordinary lengths to produce a document to satisfy those of his political enemies who refuse to accept a state-issued document that is proof of is contents in every single court in the United States , well not everyone has time to indulge the demands of nutjobs and cryptoracists.
So, "why doesn't he release his birth certificate" is a lie posing as a question.
Posted by: Geek, Esq. | July 15, 2009 at 09:01 PM
It was the red shoes that did it.
No doubt. And let's not forget the flight suit. That one really burned them deep.
Posted by: Extraneus | July 15, 2009 at 09:03 PM
He's no moron... he's never hunted hobos...
he's a flaming...tool.**
**douchebag, f*nozzle, asshat, (insert tool here)
Posted by: Stephanie | July 15, 2009 at 09:05 PM
TM:
Would the vaunted Clinton apparatus really have failed to crack this during the race?
Do remember the http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2008/03/21/ap-rice-tells-clinton-her-passport-file-was-also-breached-in-07/>Obama, Hillary and McCain passport file breach story from back in the campaign...
Posted by: hit and run | July 15, 2009 at 09:05 PM
It was not unknown for pregnant teenagers to be sent away to avoid scandal even in 1961.
It was still scandalous a decade later and in the puritanical Northeast, unwed pregnant girls were always sent away as I recall. (Some never to be heard of again). In fact it was bad taste to even speak of them.
Posted by: Jane | July 15, 2009 at 09:07 PM
Look, Geek, Esq, the authenticity of this 'copy' hasn't even been shown. He's fighting even showing that in court.
And 'nutjobs and cryptoracists' is lousy rhetoric. This is not a crazed request and it hasn't anything to do with race. You negate whatever small point you thought you'd made.
Posted by: Geek, Esq. is a fool or a deliberate disinformationist, too. | July 15, 2009 at 09:13 PM
This is 'The Facts' point, dear fool. The Hawaiian authorities pronounce that there is a certificate on file. Obama's campaign purports to post a certified copy, which has poor provenance and also isn't what people commonly think it is, a copy of what is on file. Instead, it is a 'Certificate of Live Birth', which even Hawaii does not accept as proof of native birth, and isn't necessarily a copy of what Hawaii has on file. Now do you get it? It's pretty clever, but not once it's explained to you. It's really just more proof of his deceitfulness.
Don't you read JMH's comments? You should. Oh yeah, they were on the last thread.
Posted by: He's a liar? Get it? And his supporters lie constantly, too. You'd think they'd wonder. | July 15, 2009 at 09:20 PM
I guess American citizens know where they stand in the eyes of the Anti birthers.
The contempt for American citizens by the Obama Administration is unbelievable.
Posted by: Pagar | July 15, 2009 at 09:21 PM
Hasn't been shown?
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time with the birth certificate, and we can attest to the fact that it is real and three-dimensional and resides at the Obama headquarters in Chicago. We can assure readers that the certificate does bear a raised seal, and that it's stamped on the back by Hawaii state registrar Alvin T. Onaka (who uses a signature stamp rather than signing individual birth certificates). We even brought home a few photographs.
Those who aren't satisfied would never be satisfied by anything he produced--just like the 911 Truthers.
Posted by: Geek, Esq. | July 15, 2009 at 09:22 PM
Yes, H&R, and that was Obama's agents who did the hit at the Passport Agency. And Rice apologized, oh, I love it.
Posted by: And rightly too, but oh, the irony. | July 15, 2009 at 09:22 PM
IMO, Factcheck has never issued any opinion on anything that I would believe.
Posted by: Pagar | July 15, 2009 at 09:25 PM
You see, it's not unlikely that the so-called 'copy' has been tampered with, also. And once it's in court and examined by adversarial experts and pronounced hokey, the judge is gonna start asking questions about the real birth certificate.
Posted by: Well, the judge would in courts that believe in the value of facts and the rule of law. | July 15, 2009 at 09:26 PM
Geek, c'mon, that is so old. Fuzzy photos from a site that did such a cursory examination is some kind of joke compared to examination by real adversarial experts. But keep trotting that old excuse out; it just shows how weak your case is. Let's see the documents, both so-called 'copy', and the real birth certificate long form, and let's let real experts from both sides examine them.
Posted by: One of those so-called factcheck sites just changed the name of the hospital he was born in from Queen's to Kapiolani. | July 15, 2009 at 09:29 PM
Another pitiful ad hom, GE. The name 'birthers' is more Alinsky, supposedly equating the nuttiness of truthers and birthers. Sorry, very different questions, my poor man. More evidence of your pitiful case.
Don't you recognize the sophistry? If not you're ignorant; if so, you're deceitful.
Posted by: G'wan, find a believable excuse for his stonewalling. | July 15, 2009 at 09:32 PM
One of those so-called factcheck sites just changed the name of the hospital he was born in from Queen's to Kapiolani.
Of course, there were no attending doctors, nurses or any other witnesses. Just like every other event in his life.
Posted by: Pagar | July 15, 2009 at 09:36 PM
((Recently FactCheck representatives got a chance to spend some time...))
gee I just did a search for "Dan Rather" at FactCheck, just as sort of a test...
results:
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Bush Education Ad: Going Positive, Selectively
May 12, 2004
Bush ad claims "dramatic results" in Texas schools, but fails to mention data-manipulation scandal. >>
what, no article about the false documents were supposedly true?
that is sure one heck of an objective source you are citing
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Posted by: I know it's a lot of effort, but think of the good you'd do. | July 15, 2009 at 09:44 PM
Those who aren't satisfied would never be satisfied by anything he produced--just like the 911 Truthers.
You're right, anything he produces is suspect. Which is why I'd expect he'd just authorize the State of HI to provide a certified copy. Why he doesn't remains a mystery.
Er, no, it resides in thePosted by: Cecil Turner | July 15, 2009 at 09:48 PM
Geek, you're exposed. Going from 'acceptable in any court' to 'authenticated by factcheck.org' is so bad even you must recognize it. Give it up, you fraud.
Posted by: Yore as bad as yo Massa. Appreciate the fact that I left Yo Mama out of it. | July 15, 2009 at 09:50 PM
I think it is most likely the person on the BHO BC is categorized as white. Since the current BHO is clearly black, we would wonder when the real BHO was replaced with the current BHO and wonder who he really works for.
Posted by: Bruce | July 15, 2009 at 09:51 PM
Cecil
((All applications requesting certified copies of birth..))
I have read that page at least a dozen times over the past 2 days to find clarity because it can be and is being argued that the 'certified copy' that people would get from the request is the legally acceptable 'Certification of Live Birth', not a copy of the original bc.
aside: I find it interesting that the COLB says 'live' birth instead of Hawaiin birth.
Posted by: Parking Lot | July 15, 2009 at 09:57 PM
Oh, yes, PL; it is quite clear that his 'copy' is not a direct zerocopy of the original, nor are any of the 'copies' put out by the Hawaiians. A further question is whether his 'copy' accurately reflects the information on the original. We do not know.
Posted by: Are you beginning to catch on to how he got away with this flim flam? | July 15, 2009 at 10:02 PM
((Oh, yes, PL; it is quite clear that his 'copy' is not a direct zerocopy of the original, nor are any of the 'copies' put out by the Hawaiians. A further question is whether his 'copy' accurately reflects the information on the original. We do not know.))
the question remains...can anyone in Hawaii ever get a copy of their 'long form' original bc? when the Hawaii DOH went digital were the paper records destroyed and all that now exists is a database?
Posted by: Parking Lot | July 15, 2009 at 10:10 PM
Those who aren't satisfied would never be satisfied by anything he produced--just like the 911 Truthers.
Show me the document, with a known chain of custody, that's what would be permissible in court. Not something posted on a website that could have originated from anywhere.
Posted by: Pofarmer | July 15, 2009 at 10:12 PM
I don't know, PL. I believe the original still resides in the vaults and can be taken to court, if necessary. Many states now put out a certified and sealed 'copy' which really just documents the information on the original.
Posted by: And this is what Obama claims to have, an accurate copy. Is it? Who knows? | July 15, 2009 at 10:17 PM
((Many states now put out a certified and sealed 'copy' which really just documents the information on the original.
))
as long as goverments make clear provision for access to the original paper documents and not just copies, that's cool. But if governments have such total control over personal records to the point where they can limit access to them and destroy originals, that is scary imv
Posted by: Parking Lot | July 15, 2009 at 10:30 PM
As to why President Obama hasn't gone to extraordinary lengths to produce a document...
We have different understandings of the word "extraordinary", especially given the Constitutional issue at stake.
Posted by: Tom Maguire | July 15, 2009 at 10:37 PM
Yeah, Tom, the hyperbolic rhetoric is just more proof of the weakness of the case. How many Americans have to go to 'extraordinary lengths' to get a job, or get their kids into school. I wonder why he even thought he was persuasive, clearly he's not persuaded himself.
Posted by: It's bad when 'true believers' can't even believe. Don't you feel even a little sorry for yourself? | July 15, 2009 at 10:41 PM
As to the notion that the "birth certificate" was examined by Fact Check, do check their own photograph - they examined the publicly presented *Certification* of Live Birth, aka the short form.
The long form would have info such as the actual hospital and the attending physician. Simple, yes?
Posted by: Tom Maguire | July 15, 2009 at 10:45 PM
Uh huh, you are catching on. Many many people believe that 'copy' is also adulterated; it has not been authenticated by an adversarial expert.
Posted by: OK, Tom's got it. | July 15, 2009 at 10:49 PM
I don't even think it's been authenticated by Hawaiian officials.
Posted by: Pofarmer | July 15, 2009 at 11:12 PM
Yep, Pof; not that copy. It's been authenticated by the amateurs at Factcheck.org who buttress their analysis with fuzzy photos. And all of the press, and most Americans were fooled. Just amazing.
Posted by: There was at least a core of science, sadly exaggerated, at the heart of the global warming fraud; this thing, it's bupkes. | July 15, 2009 at 11:26 PM
How many Americans have to go to 'extraordinary lengths' to get a job
Perhaps not the best analogy at the moment....
Posted by: we know he's had at least one birth certificate created, or saved.... | July 15, 2009 at 11:56 PM
The differential between the maroon dots and Obama's blue lines in your link is amazing!
Posted by: BR | July 16, 2009 at 12:16 AM
The thing I am wondering about is even if Obama was born elsewhere, he would still be a citizen. Someone posted the citizenship rules a while ago here, and the rules are something like, if a person is born out of the country and has one US citizen parent, that parent has to spend a number of years living in the US (18?) until they are a certain age, (25?).
And since we knew Dunham grew up here and went to college here, she should most likely have easily cleared that, so Obama would still be a citizen even if he was born in Kenya or Vancouver.
And there still seems some debate as to what constitutes a "natural born citizen" and Obama maybe knows he is vulnerable on that count if he was born elsewhere, and so to prevent any complications on that, he just keeps it hidden. He seems like a control freak type and seems like he would prefer to avoid that than take a chance on it.
Also maybe there was some change later when Obama was adopted later by Sotero which might again leave O open to non- natural born citizen charges.
Now the other thing might be other factors that were fudged, his birthdate, maybe his race -white, they might not have had "other" back then, who his father was. But I think it's the natural born citizen thing most likely.
Posted by: sylvia | July 16, 2009 at 01:04 AM
No. The issue is not dual citizenship but the singularity of Obama being a British Citizen at birth for the purposes of Article II.
The singular fact of his British Citizenship at birth is undisputed. That he was also born an American Citizen does not mitigate.
The other 'theories' are presently no better than hearsay and speculation until otherwise reconciled against facts not presently in evidence. I am one who thinks Obama can and is prepared to prove he is an American citizen should the proper authority compel him to do so. We should recognize Obama is well within his rights to preserve the privacy of his birth records, however unethical or improper some may believe that to be.
There are those with standing to bring such an action Quo Warranto. Such action was sought from the US Attorney for the District of Columbia, Jeffery Taylor and from US Attorney General Eric Holder. Apparently Holder has yet to respond. Taylor resigned his office a few weeks after the request was brought.
Taylor's reasons are likely unrelated, but in the Obama era IGs are dropping like flies.
Go here to read Donofrio's formal letter to Taylor (cc'd Holder) and the three part overview of Quo Warranto. You'll need to scroll down: http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/
Posted by: willem | July 16, 2009 at 01:14 AM
-- how and why would a pregnant 18-year old college student, in 1961, make a 10,748 mile journey to Africa?
Why would Stanley Ann take a brand new baby a week old or less out of Hawaii to Mercer Island WA to visit a high school classmate?
The classmate had to diaper the baby Barry 'cause Stanley Ann didn't know how.
I remember that video interview well shown before the election.
Posted by: glasater | July 16, 2009 at 01:42 AM
I don't understand. Why aren't you people focusing on Obama's mother's birth certificate? This is what counts. He's an American citizen, no matter where he was born. Surely you can milk several years worth of craziness out of the smudge marks of Kansas certificates.
Remember how you proved Vince Foster was killed by Hillary Clinton herself? It wasn't through seeing if he had properly insured his car the night she had him eliminated.
Focus, wingnuts.
Posted by: modulo | July 16, 2009 at 01:48 AM
Naw, modulo, she was not old enough to confer citizenship on him if he were born outside of the US. Focus on facts. A small and useful point.
Posted by: I know that's hard to do when Obama is busy obscuring them. | July 16, 2009 at 05:09 AM
No, sylvia, read the law. She wasn't old enough to confer citizenship on him.
Thanks, Willem, for the clarification.
That's one reason I favor Vancouver over Kenya, glasater, yet I still think that Honolulu is most likely. With a midwife, maybe.
Excellent, 'created or saved'. You're a hoot.
Posted by: Imitation is the best compliment. | July 16, 2009 at 05:21 AM
"Remember how you proved Vince Foster was killed by Hillary Clinton herself? It wasn't through seeing if he had properly insured his car the night she had him eliminated.
Focus, wingnuts. "
They did,remember how they proved Bill Clinton was a liar?
But tell me Modulo,wh are you so concerned that the "wingnuts" don't make a mistake? Surely them being wrong would further your case better.
No,let's face it ,deep down,you are worried about the cuckoo in the nest.
Posted by: PeterUK | July 16, 2009 at 06:00 AM
The Constitution doesn't merely require that the President be born an American citizen; he must have been born on American soil.
My take is that the Obama/Soros/Axelturf erasure is because the birth certificate lists his religion as Muslim.
Posted by: peter | July 16, 2009 at 06:30 AM
The most likely option is that the birth certificate says Barry Dunham.Barrack Hussein Obama was a construct to further a political career,much like Malcolm X and Louis Farrakhan.
Posted by: PeterUK | July 16, 2009 at 06:47 AM
We should recognize Obama is well within his rights to preserve the privacy of his birth records,
I don't see why we should recognize that at all. No American that requires a passport is allowed to obtain one with out a birth certificate. No American who requires a Top Secret clearance is allowed to obtain one with out a birth certificate.
Posted by: Pagar | July 16, 2009 at 09:11 AM
It does not matter how many documents Obama provides, you will claim that all of them are forgeries or some other unbelievable explanation of why you don't believe it.
He produced it, it was verified by Factcheck.org, politifact.com and World Net Daily, among others, these people actually held it in their hand and you won't believe them either!
Sore losers is all!
Posted by: Arliss | July 16, 2009 at 12:04 PM
"No American that requires a passport is allowed to obtain one with out a birth certificate. No American who requires a Top Secret clearance is allowed to obtain one with out a birth certificate."
There is your answer!
Since he has obtained all those documents how did he do it without providing proof?
Grow up!
Posted by: Arliss | July 16, 2009 at 12:07 PM
Arliss, you young silly; he was not scrutinized for top secret clearance. He gets it automatically with the Presidency. Perhaps the same with his passport.
You'll feel more grown up when you can provide proof whereof you speak.
Posted by: Arliss poses. | July 16, 2009 at 12:20 PM
Reading back; Arliss, I think that if you'll check 'World Net Daily' is not asserting the authenticity of that short form 'copy'. Quite the opposite. We've also shown how inexpert was the factcheck.org review, which was clownishly short of forensic quality.
Posted by: Please, not another idiot. | July 16, 2009 at 12:24 PM
--Since he has obtained all those documents how did he do it without providing proof?
Grow up!--
Nobody's saying he doesn't have one, dunce.
He won't allow it to be shown.
Brain up!
Posted by: Ignatz | July 16, 2009 at 12:29 PM
The most likely option is that the birth certificate says Barry Dunham.Barrack Hussein Obama was a construct to further a political career,much like Malcolm X and Louis Farrakhan.
Posted by: PeterUK | July 16, 2009 at 06:47 AM
"I saw it for what it was: a lie."
-- B. H. Obama, "Dreams from my Father"
Posted by: JBean | July 16, 2009 at 12:45 PM
I'd love for someone to show me a source for the "Obama has spent a million dollars fighting this" claim. Unfortunately, no one can, because it's a myth. Most of these lawsuits, like Cook's today, have been tossed out of court without an Obama lawyer even showing up.
Posted by: Dave Weigel | July 16, 2009 at 12:55 PM
Hmm, I didn't know religion was on a birth certificate. Was it? Kind of a separation of church and state issue violation I would think. If so that would might be something.
And I don't think the law says that the mother has to be a certain age at birth. I know I read the law before and it said the parent had to have lived a certain numbers of years in the US. But someone should feel free to post the law again so we can see.
But I think if I had to guess, it has to do with Sotero, because I remember Michelle Obama saying something about the birth cert issue and saying how unfair it was that people were picking on her husband just because he lived in Indonesia. So I think the clue she was telling us was Indonesia. Now if someone knows the law here, can there be some retroactive US citizenship problems if Sotero made Obama an Indonesian citizen when he was a child? That might interfere with the natural born citizen thing.
Or maybe the other poster was right in that Obama is a dual citizen, either British or Indonesian, or maybe both, and that Axelrod didn't know how that would go down, and with the natural born citizen worry, so that is why the bc is hidden.
Posted by: sylvia | July 16, 2009 at 03:55 PM
case dismissed
Posted by: bad | July 16, 2009 at 04:03 PM
Re: "the MSM is lying about what HI said. Simply concentrate on that and the rest will fall into place."
Not true. Obama was born in Hawaii. The statement by the two officials that there is an original birth certificate in his file means that he must have been born in Hawaii. In 1961 a foreign birth certificate could not be entered into Hawaii government birth certificate files.
And the statement of the two officials that there was an original birth certificate means that he was born in Hawaii. That is what the press spokeswoman for the department said. http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2008/11/obama_hawaaianborn_citizen_for.html
And, finally, there is this lady who recalls Obama's birth because she wrote about the unusual event of a woman named Stanley giving birth to her father, who also was called Stanley: http://www.buffalonews.com/494/story/554495.html
Posted by: smrstrauss | July 16, 2009 at 04:23 PM
Re: "Obama has spent over a million dollars squashing numerous suits'
Yes, but they were all about stopping the election, stopping the certification of the election or, more recently, taking away the results of the election. None just asked for documents. All insisted that even if Obama were born in Hawaii (and he was), the election would still not be valid because of Obama's father.
Posted by: smrstrauss | July 16, 2009 at 04:27 PM
Re: "if Sotero made Obama an Indonesian citizen when he was a child?'
The short answer is he didn't. Obama was never an Indonesian citizen. Both the Indonesian government and the US State Department (http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/strunk-answer.pdf, and see the answer at 40) have now said that.
It was actually very difficult to get citizenship in Indonesia, particularly for US children, and we do not know that his parents even tried. However, there is one document showing that they lied and said that he was an Indonesian citizen for application to an Indonesian school. (Do parents sometimes lie for their childrens' benefit? Sure they do.) In any case, both governments now say that Obama was never an Indonesian citizen.
Posted by: smrstrauss | July 16, 2009 at 04:32 PM
Thanks for all that info smrstrauss.
So how come the people of the US can't see this birth certificate on file of the most transparent president in history?
Why is suit after suit brought and fought when simply releasing it would put an end to all of this silliness?
Posted by: Ignatz | July 16, 2009 at 04:50 PM
And why has Obama's Dept. of Defense "fought" the current suit by not only rescinding Cook's orders, but by forcing Cook's private employer to fire him from his regular job?
Posted by: Mom | July 16, 2009 at 05:42 PM
Kansans value arugula?
Posted by: richard mcenroe | July 16, 2009 at 08:41 PM
NO pointed disinformation, I'm fairly sure the Department of Law handles that stuff.
Posted by: SP | July 17, 2009 at 10:29 AM