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August 04, 2009

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Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--Anyway, a birth certificate has been produced and that birth certificate got Obama a passport.--

Look, I don't care about this stupid issue but at least get your facts straight.
What he produced is a Certification of Live Birth which is a contemporary, computer generated document which contains some, but not all, of the info contained in the original birth certificate and is accepted as ID for most, but not all, uses, but is not in fact a birth certificate.

Cecil Turner

And I always thought McGuire as a pretty level-headed conservative but I really don't believe that anymore after his recent posts.

Perhaps because you're not paying close attention. In each case, he (and I for that matter) deride the basic contention (that Obama was born outside the US) but note the weak arguments. You show up touting a fallacy and can't even spell his name right. It's like you were trying to make his case for him . . .

Tom Maguire

The fourth is Obama is not really Obama and they kidnapped some small child and exchange him for The One so that he could grow up take over the Western World. And they are hiding the bc to cover that up. Okay I just saw the creepy movie Orphan. Maybe forget about the fourth possibility.

I haven't seen The Orphan but it sounds a bit like The Omen.

Mother: Dunham, Stanley Ann
Father: Davis, Frank Marshall

Interesting, but... the Hawaiian short form is meant to be an accurate summary of the long form, and what we have seen does have the father as Barack Obama.

My guess that Baby Barack was Baby Barry on the long form took a hit when I saw the divorce paperwork - as of 1964 he was referred to there as "Barack".

cboldt

-- Meanwhile, we have congresspeople actually pushing the Birther nonsense. --


Yeah, asserting the like of "[Obama] was born and raised in Honolulu, HI." (Inouye); "The State also enjoys being the childhood home State of our current Commander in Chief, President Barack Obama." (Rep. Clay); and that he was born in Kapiolani Hospital (Reps Abercrombie and Faleomavaega).


In other words, they are pushing the OPPOSITE of birther nonsense.

fdcol63

TM, do you have a link to the divorce paperwork?

anon

No nationally elected democrat ever even mentioned the 9/11 inside job scenario.

There are only six Democrats alive who have ever been nationally elected. Among the others, we have

Howard Dean, minor Democratic functionary: There is a report which the president is suppressing evidence for which is a thorough investigation of 9/11.

Diane Rehm, WAMU (public) radio: Why do you think he's suppressing that report?

Dean: I don't know. There are many theories about it. The most interesting theory that I've heard so far, which is nothing more than a theory, I can't—think it can't be proved, is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis.

royf

This one made me laugh. Yes, because it was implausible to think that Daddy and Grandpa Bush used their connections to get their alcoholic son out of Vietnam and into a lax National Guard unit where he basically did nothing. Very implausible indeed. hehe.

Yeah I figured you as a BDSer. The only problem with your scenario is that it was completely shot down by the Commanding General of the Guard at the time of GWBs enlistment. It is one of those "witness statements" I mentioned earlier. As I speculated then you have supplied proof that you have never read them.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--I read today that the relevant officials in the state of Hawaii were asked to confirm that the "short form" represented by the Obama camp in fact came from their operation, and that they haven't even confirmed THAT.--

Cboldt,

Do you have a link to that or know where you read it?

MJW

Dot: Two Hawaii officials have stated that they have examined the original certificate and that the information on the certification conforms to it identically.

I'm sorry, DoT, but that wasn't true the last time you said it, and it's not true now.

One of the officials, Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawaii Department of Health, has issued two statements. First, on October 31, 2008:

There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.

Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai'i.

Later, on about July 27, 2009:

I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawaii State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.

Neither statement confirms the accuracy of the information on the Certification of Live Birth.

I assume the other official is either Alvin Onaka, Hawaii's Registrar of Vital Statistics, of Janice Okubo of the Health Deptatment's Communications Office. As far as I know, neither has made any comments that specifically address the contents of Obama's birth certificate or certification of live birth, and Okubo has said that under Hawaii law, she isn't allowed to.

If you have any more definite statements by Hawaii officials, I would be grateful to see them.

(This isn't to say I think the COLB is fake, or doesn't in some manner reflect the information in the state records. I can, however, imagine ways in which the underlying documents would raise questions about Obama's actual place of birth.)

anon

Yes, because it was implausible to think that Daddy and Grandpa Bush

We base our opinion of Obama - that he is an anti-American socialist and commie sympathizer - on the fact that he was raised by people sympathetic to communism and sought out the company of anti-American socialists and communists his entire life and espoused anti-American socialist policies whenever he thought no one from the mainstream was listening.

You base your thoughts on Bush's service record on an unfalsifiable belief about his father.

KJ

"Perhaps because you're not paying close attention. In each case, he (and I for that matter) deride the basic contention (that Obama was born outside the US) but note the weak arguments. You show up touting a fallacy and can't even spell his name right. It's like you were trying to make his case for him . . ."

Apologies on the misspelling. So this is some sort of intellectual exercise where you actually don't believe in the birther nonsense but are simply annoyed about the quality of the argument knocking down the Birthers. That's, well, bizarre.

Perhaps Tom can provide some debunking of your defense of murdering my poor cat, even though he thinks you innocent.

Anyway, it's been fun. Sorry for trolling.

Jane

The Journalists in N Korea have been pardones.

KJ

"Yeah I figured you as a BDSer. The only problem with your scenario is that it was completely shot down by the Commanding General of the Guard at the time of GWBs enlistment. It is one of those "witness statements" I mentioned earlier. As I speculated then you have supplied proof that you have never read them. "

Sometimes I feel like i have to provide crib notes when I post on conservative sites. I was using the AWOL BS as a parallel to the Birther BS. Try not to take everything so literally.

Porchlight

That's, well, bizarre.

You must not read this blog very often, then. A consistent Maguire theme when examining media accounts is (paraphrasing) "well, I'm not sure what I think about issue X, but bring a better argument next time, because this one isn't convincing."

In other words, he analyzes media output for logic, consistency and accuracy, without necessarily staking out a position.

That's bizarre?

cboldt

--I read today that the relevant officials in the state of Hawaii were asked to confirm that the "short form" represented by the Obama camp in fact came from their operation, and that they haven't even confirmed THAT.--


I read it at FR. The comment was attributed to Jerome Corsi speaking on the G. Gordon Liddy program.


Corsi: That's correct Mr. Liddy We are also pressing Hawaii if they released the short form birth certificate. We have reason to believe they did not.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2307912/posts


Could be more smoke from the birthers, but I agree with MJW just above, none of the official statements I've seen confirm that the short form presented by Obama is faithful to the short form issued by Hawaii.

Cecil Turner

Perhaps Tom can provide some debunking of your defense of murdering my poor cat, even though he thinks you innocent.

Again, it's customary for the person asserting the positive to provide the evidence. In the absence of any evidence of my guilt, the "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard remains unmet, and I remain a free man, able to vent my hatred of felines upon all that dumber-than-dogs species. (Note to cat lovers: just kidding.) And leaving the silly analogy behind, but retaining the principle that the positive requires proof: the birth certificate is still notable by its absence.

fdcol63

There may be a link to this somewhere on the web, but does anyone know or have documentary evidence of when Obama's adoption by Soetero was voided and he legally reverted to the name Barack Obama?

Pofarmer

Thread is getting long.

and that there are many natural born citizens of this nation who could never produce them.

Very simply, I call Bullshit on that one.

Anyway, a birth certificate has been produced and that birth certificate got Obama a passport.

Which we've also never seen, doofus.

I actually like O'Reilly most of the time, but last night he was remarkably obtuse and determined to miss the points made by nearly all of his guests.

As I've said before, I've got two dogs smarter than Bill Oreilly. The good one has him by a mile, the dumb one probably not by much.

If some liberal tried to make hay out of that, they deservedly should be shot down. Similar to what should happen with the Birther nonsense.

Let me get this right.

Being born of two American parents on an American military base, is the same as being born of one Kenyan and one American in Kenya? Or, even in Hawaii? Talk about Obtuse. Slay those straw whatevers.

Yes, because it was implausible to think that Daddy and Grandpa Bush used their connections to get their alcoholic son out of Vietnam and into a lax National Guard unit where he basically did nothing.

Flying early F series fighters does not equal=Doing nothing. Under the definition of "doing nothing" see "Community Organizer" or "Chicago Annenberg Challenge".

Good Lord.

And you are absolutely correct about what is being talked about by Congressmen now, Its not about Obama's BC but about establishing a system of verification in the future.

Wouldn't that mean there's at least a little bit of there, there? Acknowledgment of a problem?

Could be more smoke from the birthers, but I agree with MJW just above, none of the official statements I've seen confirm that the short form presented by Obama is faithful to the short form issued by Hawaii.

So, the Hawaiian officials could be saying the COLB released by Obama actually IS fake but accurate?

Pofarmer

I was using the AWOL BS as a parallel to the Birther BS.

You might make a note of how Bush handled that.

Pofarmer

but does anyone know or have documentary evidence of when Obama's adoption by Soetero was voided and he legally reverted to the name Barack Obama?

No, and I've also never seen when he dropped Indonesian citizenship. I wouldn't think it would be automatically rescinded on divorce. Did he use it to avoid signing up for Selective Service?

Danube of Thought

Not the "same people," fdcol. I hooted down the TANG documents with the same zeal with which I mock this nonsense.

clarice

Ras reports 35% OF Dems believed Bush had advance knowledge of 9/11.

Do not some here ,trolls,and make fun of people who are rightly suspicious of Obama's biographical information.The left already set the gold standard for credulousness.

willem

I feel somewhat guilty over my mysogyny; that I should so disrespect Obama's grandmother and her reported claims to have been present when O was born in Kenya. I have taken the position that Obama must know more about it than her, and I, from the beginning, on principle, have taken O at his word that he was born in Hawaii. I am willing to grant him that, and do.

Sarcastic as that may sound, I'm absolutely serious. At some point one needs to take people at their word and let their character speak through their actions. Our eyes may not be ears, but they listen in their own way.

I also think the table is being carefully set for dinner. I have some sense of what's on the menu but I have no idea what will actually be served. Seems by the tempo of drama and disinformation, dinner is getting close to hitting the table.

Amidst the tumult, there are simple but significant questions being lost that are procedural matters not entitled to privacy.

One such question is: "On what day did Obama cease to be a British Citizen?"

Then there is the unsettled law.

As for the O that sues the O, I'll say it again.

If I was Obama I'd be paying Orly Taitz to do exactly what she's doing.

Original MikeS

The secrecy, evasion, and paucity of information regarding Obama's birth, early childhood, middle years, college years, the writing of his first autobiography, the years he spent giving millions of dollars from the Anneberg Challenge intended for education reform to community organizers, and his years as an Illinois State Legislator have piqued the interest of many U.S. citizens. Obama's guarded behavior with regard to his official birth records has inspired the curiosity of many since Hillary Clinton first brought up the subject.

As for myself, I frankly don't give a sh?t.

fdcol63

DoT,

I always enjoy reading your thoughts, and find that I agree with about 99.9% of them.

But on this .... LOL

willem

Perhaps I should have said..

"The O that gets an O from suing the O."

clarice

*Come here ,trolls,and *

Sara (Pal2Pal)

KJ - Some of us are just mystery buffs keeping ourselves entertained during these dog days of August.

Geek, Esq.

Sad to see someone as articulate as Cecil Turner joining up with the Orly Taitz/Chuck Norris nutjob crowd:

News to me. I've seen various reports of officials saying they've seen the form, and that Obama was natural born, but that's not quite the same thing.

The COLB is per se legal proof of his birth in Honolulu. If someone in their will offered up $1 Billion dollars to him if he would prove that he was born in the US, he could staple the COLB to his court filing and win on summary judgment.

The document itself is a certified, sworn statement from the State of Hawaii that its contents are accurate.

You either accept it as proof, or you suggest that the state of Hawaii is lying.

Which makes you a conspiracy nut.

Frau Roggenbrot

But why does Obama have to show his original Birth Certificate when we've never demanded the same from any other PResident?
All others were transparent and had records that were available. Their family histories, if unfamiliar, were tied to this country and accessible. Nobody blinked an eye when we learned that John Kerry's paternal grandfather was named Kohn and turned out to be Austro-Hungarian and not from County Kerry, Ireland.
It is not about race. Colin Powell would most likely have been the first black president if he had run. Many admitted they voted for Obama *just* because he would serve the historic purpose. Adding to the problem is the ease with which a HI birth certificate for foreign born or stateside born children could be obtained. (Doesn't Obama's half- sister, born in Indonesia, have a COLB from HI?)
When a president promises his administration will be the most transparent and isn't, we'll watch closely and question loudly.

MJW

I'm quite flattered TM mentioned me in his post. I'm a little surprised no one has followed up on my observation that in the Bomford document, the "1" in the "10th April" date of birth is a numeric 1, while all the rest of the 1s are small letter Ls. Someone faking a document might use the letter to make it look vintage, but flub up once and use the number key.

Alternately -- and more probably, I suppose -- the original document was typed on a typewriter with a numeric 1 by a typist used to typewriters without the numeric key.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

So now we have people who believe in their bones that Obama is this anti-American, socialist, commie, foreign looking, slimeball

Foreign looking? What does that mean? He looks like a decent looking light-skinned man of mixed ancestry. Just like millions of other Americans whose pedigree is a mixture of cultures, ethnicities and races.

Geek, Esq.

Just for Cecil:

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg

"I certify that this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file at the Hawaii State Department of Health.

Alvin T. Onaka."

PeterUK.

"The COLB is per se legal proof of his birth in Honolulu."

The signifier is not the signified.All a birth certificate says is someone was born on a certain date,in a certain place,stating the parents and other information,such as the doctor who attended the birth. A BC is a document,paper or electronic,just like your tax assessment.
So autopsy the cat and DNA test Obama.

Chuck can't be President because he's a supernatural-born American citizen

Predictable to see a narrowminded partisan like Geek insult Chuck Norris.

I must admit that I find it a bit of a groundless stretch not to believe in the birth announcements in two major Hawaiian newspapers in August 1961, in which Hawaii's Health Department would have been required to post information it received directly from hospitals: "Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4." Nevertheless, that proof doesn't answer why you refuse to reveal your original birth certificate and end the growing tides of controversy.

I'm writing you because this is no longer a matter merely about proving you meet a presidential prerequisite in the Constitution. Refusing to post your original birth certificate is an unwise political and leadership decision that is enabling the "birther" controversy. The nation you are called to lead is experiencing a growing swell of conspirators who are convinced that you are covering up something. So why not just prove them wrong and shut them up?

Frau Roggenbrot

*we'd better watch closely and question loudly*

Big time Democrats who sang the truther tune? Add Sen. Hillary! Clinton on the Senate floor holding a NY newpaper demanding “What did President Bush know before 9-11, and when did he know it?”

Richard Aubrey

You'll recall that some said the TANG docs were a Rove plant.
When it was pointed out that Rove would have had to be absolutely, completely confident that CBS would bite--either they were absolutely, predictably incompetent, or absolutely, predictably corrupt--the proponents of this meme "don't want to go there". Because, if true, Rove was right. CBS was either unbelievably incompetent or absolutely corrupt and ROVE KNEW IT AND WAS ABLE TO USE IT. What dem wants to go there?
In the current situation, it could as easily be said this is an Axelrod plant, designed to be found out.

Porchlight

"I certify that this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file at the Hawaii State Department of Health.

Alvin T. Onaka."

Geek,

Your link is to a JPEG of the stamp on the COLB. The stamp contains the above words.

So you assert that information on the item in question acts as independent verification of the item in question?

You're kidding, right?

Boy, you must be a real sucker for counterfeit bills. They have the signature of the Secretary of the Treasury on them, you know.

PeterUK.

If this is embarrassing for the "birthers",why hasn't the MSM picked it up? Because it could be embarrassing to Obama?

Sue

Hannity is reporting that Obama fired Patrick Fitzgerald. Anyone else hear it?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Something must be working.

Reversal of Fortune: Rasmussen Finds Republicans Lead on Generic Congressional Ballot... By Five Points

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Sue: Was he the "cyber czar?" If so, yes I read it this morning that he is out.

fdcol63

I think Hillary has been sharpening her knives. LOL

Pofarmer

http://www.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/birth_certificate_9.jpg

"I certify that this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file at the Hawaii State Department of Health.

Geek, you dipshit. That is ON the questioned document.

Geek, Esq.

All a birth certificate says is someone was born on a certain date,in a certain place,stating the parents and other information,such as the doctor who attended the birth. A BC is a document,paper or electronic,just like your tax assessment.

Legal proof is legal proof. Good enough for every court in every jurisdiction in the United States. Not good enough for Orly Taitz and other die-hard paranoids/racists/bitter partisan opponents? Boo hoo.

Apologies to Chuck Norris, though I doubt Obama is going to bend over backwards to satisfy the doubts of those who will never be satisfied. This all started because he disclosed the COLB in the first place, which set the conspiracy nuts on fire.

Porchlight

Sue, FDL (can't believe I went there) is reporting he is being promoted to Interim Chair of the Attorney General's Advisory Committee:

FDL: Fitzgerald gets a promotion

Promoted. How conveeenient....

cboldt

-- Obama fired Patrick Fitzgerald. --


It hasn't hit the news wires yet, but you aren't the only one who heard it (I didn't hear it, but see a reference by somebody else).

centralcal

Porch: Promotion? Well, that figures. Wonder if he was getting to be a p.i.t.a.

Ignatz Ratzkywatzky

--Apologies to Chuck Norris--

Then you ought to apologize to most everyone here as well since about 95% of the folks here hold the same view as Chuckie.

cboldt

Looks like old news. From July 30, Pat Fitzgerald Named Interim Chairman of AG Advisory Committee - By Joe Palazzolo [www.mainjustice.com]


Fitzgerald will be keeping the seat warm for B. Todd Jones, who, as we reported here, is slated to chair the committee if confirmed.

PeterUK.

"Legal proof is legal proof. Good enough for every court in every jurisdiction in the United States."

Not without corroborating evidence.You try waving somebodies birth certificate at a murder trial to prove you are not the perpetrator.

Having a birth certificate does not prove you are the person named on the certificate.

clarice

No indication whether this post pulls him off the Chicago investigation. And it is apparently and interim post.

Geek, Esq.

Geek, you dipshit. That is ON the questioned document.

So, now the allegation is that the Obama campaign forged his signature and stamp, including the raised seal?

Porchlight

Meanwhile, looks like Greg Craig may be heading toward funemployment status:

WSJ: White House Counsel's Job At Stake

By BY EVAN PEREZ WASHINGTON -- Obama administration officials are holding discussions that could result in White House counsel Gregory Craig leaving his post, following a rocky tenure, people familiar with the matter said.

Mr. Craig, the top lawyer at the White House and a close aide to President Barack Obama, has helped lead the administration's efforts on several national-security issues that once enjoyed popularity but have since become become political liabilities for Mr. Obama.

These include the closure of the prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, the release of Bush administration-era national-security documents, and efforts to find legal ways to indefinitely hold some detainees who can't be put on trial.

The decision to close the Guantanamo facility became a political problem for Mr. Obama when concerns arose that some of the detainees would be released into the U.S. and the public soured on the move.


cboldt

-- No indication whether this post pulls him off the Chicago investigation. --


I think not. it's just an additional assignment in the way of coordinating AUSA on a variety of policy matters.

boris

So a three dollar bill with a presidebt Obama picture on it that says "Certified real by Barak Obama" would be more convincing?

Dave (in MA)
p.i.t.a
He's too young to use the Walpin Rationale, so maybe this is RahmbØ's way of getting him to stop turning over stones in Chicago.
Frau Roggenbrot

The Chicago Way all the way! Promotion for jobs well done:
" The appointment is an additional indication that the Obama administration is attempting to reverse the politicization of the Department by the Bush administration. Patrick Fitzgerald, the top prosecutor in Illinois' Northern District, has been named interim chairman of the Attorney General's Advisory Committee of U.S. Attorneys (AGAC).
In his new role, Fitzgerald will be the lead voice for the U.S. attorney community. It's the latest high-profile assignment for America's prosecutor, who has been busy overseeing the prosecution of Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich (D), bringing down mortgage fraudsters, and fighting with journalists
The committee, which represents the views of the nation's top prosecutors and molds law enforcement policy, has dwindled in size as Bush-era appointees have headed for the exit.
Fitzgerald's assignment is significant. It means the U.S. attorney community now has a chief ambassador with some staying power. Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) recommended Fitzgerald for another term, an overture that was well-received by Attorney General Eric Holder. "
I won't link to Drugde Retorts.

Parking Lot

((Big time Democrats who sang the truther tune? Add Sen. Hillary! Clinton on the Senate floor holding a NY newpaper demanding “What did President Bush know before 9-11, and when did he know it?” ))

plus every one of 'em who gave standing ovations to the slob that made Fahrenheit 9/11, a movie steeped in truther conspiracty theories.

clarice

Good points, PL

Pofarmer

This all started because he disclosed the COLB in the first place, which set the conspiracy nuts on fire.

The Obama Campaign released a document of unknown provenance to a website.

Cecil Turner

So, now the allegation is that the Obama campaign forged his signature and stamp, including the raised seal?

How 'bout just some of the writing on the certificate? Seriously, you're kidding, right? A copy in the possession of the guy who's supposedly providing proof? Most universities won't even give you a "true copy" of a transcript in that situation . . . they'll mark it "student copy." The reason should be obvious.

Note that I don't really think the O camp gundecked the paperwork. I just don't see why we're so cavalier about checking the basic Constitutional prerequisites for the most important office in the country. Your link to that perfectly silly factcheck "we checked the copy" post is about par for the weak lefty rejoinders.

Sue

He released the document via Daily Kos. That is what is so suspect to me. If you have a perfectly legite website (and Obama certainly did) why release it to a website that 48% of the country would never believe?

Yup, a house of mirrors.

Varsity, meh. Granted it's an anonymous source, but PA Engineer and his 16 y/o daughter have done a photoshop analysis of both images and find that the Aussie one has been played with, and the Kenyan one not. I've no idea of their credibility. I told you about this this morning; the story is from the Free Republic.

The personal testimony of Bomford that the Aussie certificate is his is troubling.

As I said before, either the Aussie one is a fake, or the Kenyan one disinformation fabricated to debunk birthers. Why would a birther forge a certificate to be inauthenticated? C'mon, now.

Elmer_Stoup

Tom: Please focus your considerable analytical skills on ObamaCare, not this stupid birther stuff. You've lost track of what's important.

Pofarmer

Hmmmm, if you can't get to the truth about Obama's particulars, what makes you think you'll be able to get to the truth about Obama care. There's no spinning a birth certificate. There's all kinds of things in Obama care to spin.

Lesley

TM writes in an earlier post:

""Sixth, EF Lavender is a laundry detergent. It's also a perfectly proper British surname. Closer to home, WhitePages.com offers "Over 100" hits for "E Lavender". Now to check E Coli...""

Tom, pure gold, pure comedy gold, plus the added bonus of the outraged sputterings from the hissies and the pissies.

As Al Gore would say, Machismo Gracias for the laughs.

sylvia

Hi Tom. Well I haven't seen the Omen. Although I always wanted to, the older version, just never got around to it. Must rent soon. Orphan was scary enough. Horror movies have a way of lingering unpleasantly so I try not to watch too many of them.

Yes, as to his father, good point. If his name was Barack Obama on the short bc, and it's supposed to be accurate, then prob on the long form too. I have to look up again what's exactly on the short form, for some reason I thought the father was only on the long form.

So, IF, Barack Obama Sr was not the real father, probably the only way that conspiracy theory would fly would be to combine my option 3 with option 2, in that Obama's birth date is not accurate. It would be almost impossible for Dunham to name Barack, Barack, if she didn't know Barack Sr.

Soooo... Let's say IF Barack Sr. is not the real father, Dunham gave birth at home or somewhere else earlier. For some scandalous reason, underage, married man father, she did not get a birth cert until later. The Dunham's got Barack Sr. to pose as the dad, then they got themselves a short bc form on a sworn affadavit and said that Baby Barack was just born in a HI hospital.

However, the problem with that is, if Dunham just got some random guy she met to pose as Barack's father, would she really name her first born after the practical stranger? Doubtful. Or even if she was casually dating him. Hmmm. That's too bad. I was rooting for X to be the dad.

So then I guess I have to stick with the idea that Sotero adopted Barack as my conspiracy theory of choice. Barack doesn't want people to know that because he is nervous they will follow the Indonesian paper trail about info on his possible citizenship change.

Lizard

Are the pieces of the puzzle beginning to fall into place? Or for BO, are things beginning to completely unravel?

Kudos to jbjd, who seems to plausibly explain the confusing statements of Fukino et al. ... see http://jbjd.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/jbjd-birther/ ... – i.e., Hawaii officials do not specifically confirm that BO was born in a Hawaii hospital ... they may only be stating that the “vital records” (e.g., maybe an affidavit from mama Stanley?) support a Hawaii birth.

Hmmmm ….. maybe this is what is being hidden by BO? Maybe a Kenya birth registration is not so crazy?

What a great caper!

bad

Obama has so many different versions of everything floating around in his head that he can't even remember the story of how he met his wife.

Perhaps he told the truth to the Russian students and the story in his book is wrong.

surrey

OOPS man !!!!!!1 where you born?????????? its really too much.

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