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October 20, 2009

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And Persia is clearly percolating.

Almost absurd the way Obama keys on the purported Persian need for enrichment, their domestic use, rather than the obvious geopolitical struggle, not just Anti-Israel, but the Sunni-Shia dust-up, too, as Spengler has nicely pointed out. It's a theme we've hammered here before. The two schisms still find rationale for beating on each other.
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Isn't there a whale in this story somewhere?  Noah way.

And we've a wooden puppet with a growing nose admiring his own conceits in the mirror of the media.
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Extraneus

I think this is the Powerline link:

Iran Double-Crosses Obama

Also, If I remember right, Fresh Air linked this from Spengler in the Asia Times in an earlier thread:

When the cat's away the mice kill each other

Very interesting, including his analysis of Russia's motives vis a vis Iran, his summarization of the regional issues, and his conclusion that Obama is an anti-American radical, bent on taking us down a few pegs, and how the czars help him in this effort.

Thomas Collins

This is patent madness. Iran already has acknowledged having the uranium which is the subject of this latest round of therapy talk. It's Iran's not so under the radar weapons program that is the key.

If Obama is going to dither while Iran continues its weapons program, he has lost whatever legitimacy he has left in the world. Russia has already rolled him on missile defense, and the Iranians are in the process of rolling him on their nuclear weapons program.

Khamenei in a coma has more grand strategy smarts than Obama fully alert.

Extraneus

It's amazing that anyone could be so stupid as to believe that Iran would actually go for such a deal. Really amateurish.

And this is why Obama turned his back on the protesters in June? Because this super-secret deal was in the works? Wow.

Old Lurker

Good morning everyone!

End game underway? WaPo pulls out all the stops by headlining their poll showing support for the public option at 57% and growing fast. The Baucus bill was 1500+ pages so I can only imagine what will emerge from behind those closed doors where the Senate dems are negotiating with (playing with?) each other over what to put in their final version - before it goes to Conference to emerge in all its glory. Doesn't it seem that they really are going to do this to us? I just don't see the usual hedged bets...

sbw

Where does one learn about 'frame narratives' in school? Detecting the one in use is how one tests the integrity of news organizations.

Quiz for today: Which one is news?
1) "Rather than thinking of this as a diplomatic initiative that failed"
2) "let's try to think of it as a diplomatic initiative that successfully reminded the world that Iran is not a reliable negotiating partner."

Jane

Where do they get those numbers OL? Only 41% support the bill.

Old Lurker

Jane, LUN

Old Lurker

Jane, wrong LUN...here is the correct one I think. It was a WaPo-ABC poll yesterday.

MarkJ

Old Lurker,

"End game underway?"

That's the problem with WaPo and our elected idiots: they think what's going on is all "just a game" while the rest of America thinks it's deadly serious.

Fearless prediction: if the Democrats actually ram through their abortion of a health bill, next November they'll be facing an electoral tsunami of biblical proportions.

steve sturm

let's try to think of it as a diplomatic initiative that successfully reminded the world that Iran is not a reliable negotiating partner
and so what? does anyone think Obama is going to do anything different? per the old adage: the definition of stupidity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result.

Old Lurker

Start building your Ark, Mark. The inside the beltway signals sure suggest this cramdown is going to happen. It will be interesting to see if Clarice reads the paper the same way. I hope I'm wrong.

Thomas Collins

MarkJ, I think the cause and effect go the other way. I think the Dems, understanding full well that they will face an electorate in Nov. of 2010 whose wrath will equal the wrath of the Old Testament God against the ancient Hebrews who worshipped the idols, are trying to anchor the electorate so securely to nanny state idols that after the 2010 flood, those idols will remain ascendant!

fdcol63

As a reader on Instapundit commented - applicable here, too, though the reference was to the Obama strategy against Fox News:

"... They don’t care how this makes them look; they’re playing this game for keeps, not to win the “good sport” award ..."

I think this public option health bill may be important enough to them that they may be willing to anger a majority of the electorate in the knowledge that once it is passed, it gives them incredible control over people in the years to come.

They may lose an election cycle or 2, but eventually, the long-term effects of this legislation will radically alter our economy, culture, and society.

What's more important than being able to control who lives and who dies - or even who gets conceived? - or who gets diagnosed as "mentally ill" or "anti-social"?

narciso,

But then why wait three years, to implement it, there is nothing good that come of this, it will hemorrage the dollar, along with cap n trade, it will crumble our economic base, America's standing in the world will fall to nill. I know that's the plan, The irony of course, is that Kevin Baker, a decent naturalistic novelist turned
polemicist at Harper's, sketched these consequences from the failure of these initiatives, in a little dystopian ditty
called 'Change without motion". Suggesting
a coup d'etat, and even the 'faith based
rule of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin' which of course, well warmed the cockles of my heart, by applying topical paranoia.

clarice

Have read the powerline article but not the WaPo yet--
"Khamenei in a coma has more grand strategy smarts than Obama fully alert"

The guy's an uneducated moron. I told you so.

Jack is Back!

Obama's To-Do List:

Health Control - [Max?] check

Carbon Dioxide Control - [Carol?] check

World Government Control - [George?] check

Press Control - [Anita?] check

NFL Control - [Roger?] check

Pelosi/Reid Control - [Rahm?] check

Karzai Control - [SKerry?] check

Fox News, Putin, Biden, Rush, Iran, NorK, IOC, Beck = working

Janet

The leftist true believer "experts" have won the day. They write all this legislation. Environmental and climate change "experts" have, through law or litigation, essentially halted industry. Now the health "experts" will tell us how to live and die. Education "experts" have ruined the public schools.
...and all these true believers have been hired into the federal government. We saw the rot at State, CIA, DOJ,...under Bush. It will be worse for whoever is President in 2012.

PD

And Anita Dunn demanded to know who did the counting, ACORN or FOX NEWS?

You'd think someone at the White House would figure out that if they're going to be such babies about FOX News ("Wahhh!" Glenn Beck is using our own words against us! Wahhh!!!"), our enemies will figure out that this administration is going to be pretty weak against said enemies.

(reposted here 'cause I see the previous thread's dead)

Old Lurker

Well said, Janet.

PD

I mean, it's almost like they're putting the KICK ME signs on their own backs.

narciso,

No. it's more like 'kick us' as this LUN, shows about the manufacturing czar,

clarice

OL--From the poll internals available on the online version, the internals (remember 48% oppose the present legislative options and 45% approve), it appears the pool is not an accurate one:
10/18/09 33(Dem) 20 (Rep)
There are not 11% more Dems than Reps.

It's what Kaus would call a "hamburger helper poll" IMO--something designed to support the paper's editorial point of view.

Neo

So will the NYT apologize about this later ?

RichatUF

PD-

I mean, it's almost like they're putting the KICK ME signs on their own backs.

Our enemies already are. Leeden (iirc) reported that during the Iranian talks in Vienna over the weekend, when the subject of human rights came up, the Iranian negotiator said they were pleased that the United States doesn't torture anymore. Pretty much closed off that conversation.

Ann

Janet, Do you ever feel like this? :)

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Jane

They may lose an election cycle or 2, but eventually, the long-term effects of this legislation will radically alter our economy, culture, and society.

Newt thinks that if it gets passed there will be such an upheaval in Congress that it will be repealed in the next election cycle. I'm not willing to bet on that.

I wish someone would analyze how this will effect MA. Will my rates go up with the rest of the country - or have I already paid my dues.

(Like I don't know the answer)

PD

Iraq Sweetens Oil Field Terms, Attracts Interest

Iraq is sweetening the terms for companies bidding for its prized oil fields as it attempts to avoid the failure of the first bidding round -- and it appears Monday to be working.

This can't be right. I thought we went over there to steal all their oil.

Janet

LUN
HR3200 School-based health clinics. Sounds okay, but...to be run by Planned Parenthood?
The go-to teen sex "experts".

fdcol63

Call me whacky, but I have serious concerns about people who support late-term partial birth abortions providing medical care to my kids in school.

Janet

Ha, ha Ann! Government taking everything. The sad thing is, with all my faults, I tend to be very generous. I want to give to what I want to give to...not what the government demands I give to. My husband quotes a line...Where the milk of human kindness turns to yogurt. I have become yogurt.

narciso,

This is the thing that drives me up the wall about Newt, forget his personal peccadiloes for a moment. He sees the outline of the left offensive, yet then he choses to cooperate with them, on the
'quagmire' narrative, on the AGW garbage,
now the Scozzofazza matter,I guess I don't
have a Ph.d from Tulane to figure it out.

Ignatz

--Newt thinks that if it gets passed there will be such an upheaval in Congress that it will be repealed in the next election cycle.--

Well it obviously isn't getting repealed prior to Barry leaving office since the bill to repeal would need his signature.

--Very briefly, the US has been pushing Iran to send its low enriched uranium to Russia and France for processing into nuclear fuel that can't be weaponized--

Since even Barry admits the Qom plant is intended for weapons why would they want their uranium to be non weaponized? Because Barry threatens sanctions? Please.
Russia has already made it clear that ain't going to happen.
Only a moronic leftist thinks you can convince a determined fanatic to do the opposite of what he intends by threatening to slap him with a velvet glove after telling him your mailed fist is under lock and key.

Janet

Yeah narciso, I'm no Newt fan either.

narciso,

I say this as one of his previously biggest fans, followed him from his special order
in the House, through the early hope and subsequent dissolution with the House majority, and the crack up somewhere between
the government shutdown and the Lewinsky brouhaha

fdcol63

Obama: Stop, or we'll shake this wet noodle in your face!

Extraneus

Well it obviously isn't getting repealed prior to Barry leaving office since the bill to repeal would need his signature.

That's not a bad election issue for 2012.

Extraneus

One thing Newt never learned is when to shut up. He should have done it immediately after the 1994 election, but he couldn't help himself; and 15 years later, he still can't.

ben

"Barack Obama will skip the 20 Year celebration of the Fall of Communism that will be held in Berlin on November 9"

Question is, will he declare a day of mourning and order flags at half mast.

Jack is Back!

Is there an official JOM mop?

ROA

Newt also received $300 thousand from Freddie Mac in 2006, to support their business model and minimize regulatory intervention.

Ann

Me too, Janet.

I usually love Halloween. However, this year I don't even feel like decorating. "Scary" doesn't seem fun anymore.

Even had an evil thought this morning that I should dress up like Michelle Obama and sit outside on an antique highback chair. Won't all the children be surprised when Michelle demands that they give all their candy this year to President Obama.

Old Lurker

"Only a moronic leftist thinks"

Oxymoron, Ignatz?

narciso,

I read that column and it sounds like the kind of thing, that Samantha Powers would write. The self proclaimed 'genocide expert'
is tone deaf to the consequences of her policy suggestions.

Some of the Iranian facilities, are more accesible than others. A seal team could have tried a round against Bushehr. Reading
that map of Tehran, that bombing onTaleghani
street, seems to have fallen down the memory hole, reminded me of an old Robert
Littell novel, 'the Once and Future Spy'
which centered on a CIA plot to trigger
an implosion at the Amir Kabir facility, and blame it on an earth quake.

clarice

Newt is a lovely speaker and a charming fellow but leaves something to be desired in the strategist dept.

fdcol63

You can bet Google will have an appropriately mournful logo recognizing the fall of the Berlin Wall and the USSR.

Or maybe they'll just continue to pretend it never happened.

narciso,

The fall of the Berlin Wall, was a
catastrophe for the seekers of social justice, it made America the sole
'hyperpower', from this point of view.
It's a good thing for them, that Chavez
and Kirschner and Zelaya, were able to regroup and America has come to it's sense, except for some bitterclingers, like that
Facebook posting 'Christianist chillbilly'

narciso,

So,Rohde, seems to have come to his sense, up to a point, the folly of the hudnas with
the Taliban, has never been clearer

narciso,

Should have put quotes around that whole passage

narciso,

Don't we feel great, that we have advisors of this caliber with the President, in the LUN, yes the sarcasm is fully intended

This is the full monty meaning of 'reality based'.

He makes it up afterward, why shouldn't he make it up before, too?
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PeterUK

Titfmmo"rb".

Do you know the origin of "full monty"?

clarice

I hope you all read that the DoJ has prevented a town which overwhelmingly voted to drop party affiliation from local election ballots was stymied by the DoJ who said that blacks would be denied represenation if the term"democrat" was dropped from the ballot and voters had to choose simply by name.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

Perhaps they could just place a picture of a jackass on the ballot next to those whom the blacks are meant to support?

narciso,

That seems to be the opposite of what the film suggests, Peter

Janet

And here is our lovely Andrea Mitchell saying George Soros isn't far left. LUN

Extraneus

Rush talked about it, says the town has decided not to pursue any sort of legal appeal. Does that end it?

Lady Killers is the best.

Nope, Pete; I've just enjoyed the movie.
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Patrick R. Sullivan

The Pielke-DeLong skirmish is escalating, here's the latest:

The really giant fish -- public intellectuals like Tom Friedman and Paul Krugman -- confer authority on the big fish of the liberal blogosphere. They do so by applauding the work of the big fish and saying that they trust them. This is a useful exchange because the big fish amplify the writings of the giant fish in the blogosphere and do the dirty work of taking down their political opponents by playing some gutter politics that the giant fish would rather not be seen playing. This has the effect of establishing the big fish as people to be listened to, not because they are necessarily right about things, but because the giant fish listen to them and the giant fish set political agendas.

Among these big fish feeding the giant fish are Joe Romm, Brad Delong, RealClimate, and there are of course many others, but these are the ones I have first-hand experience with (lucky me). Each of these professionals has great potential to positively influence policy debates in positive ways. Instead they all actively have chosen to engage in pretty embarrassing and unethical behavior that caters to tribal, echo-chamber politics.

....In the case of Romm and Delong they also engage in outright lies and character assassination. Neither links to my own words on my blog, apparently afriad of what might happen if people view what I have to say directly, rather than their cartoonish caricatures.

....But even the big fish apparently see some gutter behavior as not really becoming of professionals (though Romm doesn't seem to care), as to more effectively attack someone's reputation they also rely on the minnows of the blogosphere, people who see it as their sole job to "trash" someone's reputation via innuendo, fabrication and outright misrepresentation. Among these minnows are controversialist bloggers like Tim Lambert, who are professionally unqualified to engage in the substance of most debates (certainly the case with respect to my own work), yet earn their place exclusively by making mountains out of molehills....

That last about Tim Lambert is exactly what my experience was with him a few years ago.

Extraneus

Heh, Rick.

Neo
There is an organized campaign now afoot, a carefully planned, well-funded systematic assault on talk radio and Fox News that involves at least seven major liberal American religious denominations. All of whom are apparently planning to spread the gospel that talk radio and Fox News personalities are spreading hate speech.

Just because your paranoid doesn't mean that nobody is out to get you.

Thomas Collins

See LUN for an example of a brilliant grand strategist. The Pope's courting of the Anglicans is pure genius. As the article points out, the prize here is in Africa, not the UK. Bringing the African Anglicans into the Rome fold would be a great coup for the Pope, who, far from being tied to the past, knows what he must do to grow the Roman Catholic Church in the future.

Neo

If I called a Black person "less than human" or somebody "unAmerican", I would be said to be espousing "hate speech".

It sure seems like Gibbs and other member of the White House staff are spreading "hate speech" about FoxNews.

Janet

Wow Neo and TC - Not sure how many here at JOM are Bible believers, but if anyone has ever done a study on Daniel, or Revelation...it sure seems like a lot of pieces are moving into place.

Rick Ballard

I wonder if the brothelkeepers at Dimon, Blankfein &c are getting nervous watching AG 'Moonbeam' Brown taking up the populist shield on behalf of CalPERS versus State Street Bank? Would an attack of nerves prompt them to turn off the DOW bubble machine for a few days in order to tug their strings leading into the Oval Office?

Pinocchio is going be performing a rather odd dance if Dimon, Blankfein &c start jerking hard on one side while Ayers is pulling hard on the other.

Captain Hate

Bringing the African Anglicans into the Rome fold would be a great coup for the Pope, who, far from being tied to the past, knows what he must do to grow the Roman Catholic Church in the future.

As an apostate Episcopalian, I've enjoyed observing that the only areas of growth in the Anglican church are in Africa and Asia where they're going toe-to-toe with Islam and, as a result, are extremely conservative. The simpletons in the US and UK, who have done their best to alienate the likes of me, have responded in the past by referring to them as illiterate savages for not embracing all the prog causes des jours. This is a brilliant move by the Pope and may result in my returning to the church with purposes other than expelling the catamites and whore mongers.

narciso,

This instance, really has to qualify as an act of chutzpah, in light of currentevents, in the LUN

Neo

Gov. Pat Quinn, AFSCME and SEIU told to pound sand

CHICAGO (CBS) -- Illinois workers who are paid by the state to care for severely disabled people in their homes have voted down an effort to unionize.

More than 3,000 home health care workers mailed in their ballots this month; the ballots were counted on Monday and most of those workers voted not to join a union, according to Alan Symonette, an arbitrator with the American Arbitration Association, which counted the vote.

The workers could have voted to join the American Federation of State, county of Municipal Employees or the Service Employees International Union, but more than half of them voted to remain non-union.


This is the union election that had state officials threaten some of the home health care workers who wanted to remain non-union.

Ignatz

--As an apostate Episcopalian, I've enjoyed observing that the only areas of growth in the Anglican church are in Africa and Asia where they're going toe-to-toe with Islam and, as a result, are extremely conservative.--

The really interesting thing CH, is to observe the prospect of the "savages" sending missionaries from the jungles of deepest Africa to the streets of the USA to try and save the lost souls of the brotherhood of Karl infesting our mainline houses of ill repute.

clarice

Real Chutzpah,narciso. Perhaps his right and left brains are disconnected so that when he makes all these completely contradictory moves he doesn't notice.

Janet

Neo - LUN is the link to the organization, So We Might See. I feel sick to my stomach seeing the Lutheran Church there. Raised in the Lutheran Church, but go to a Bible Church now.

narciso,

No, it's more like the apocryphal tale of George Smather's 1950 campaign, where he regaled the 'bitter clingers' with the opponent's daughter being a real thespian
who matriculated. Turns out there is very
little proof of this, probably something spun by Claude Pepper to excuse his loss
His real view of 'bitterclingers' are well established, in the right audience

clarice

Kaus cites to Pollster graph of polls on Obamacare--average shows 6% more Americans oppose it than support it.

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/healthplan.php

matt

The largest Catholic seminary in the world is in Nigeria. Despite the tremendous contradictions of Africa, the greatest faith is there as well.

The challenges are exactly the reason faith is so strong. Faith is what gives them the strength to face the impossible.

As Europe and America sink into ennui, I would hope that faith in a higher purpose would give people the strength to face what we are facing. Unfortunately, I see the seven deadly sins taking over even more these days. Yeats was never more right.

Neo

Guess the NYT left off this bit ...

Stewart David Nozette, 52, was arrested yesterday on charges of attempting to pass classified information to an "Israeli intelligence agent" - who was in fact a counterespionage agent for the FBI.

hit and run

Oh yeah baby, lookie here, http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091020/ap_on_bi_ge/us_earns_caterpillar>here's a green shoot:

"We are seeing encouraging signs that indicate a recovery may be under way," [Caterpillar] CEO Jim Owens said after company posted earnings on Tuesday.

You remember Jim Owens, right?

He made the appearance with Obama during the debate over the stimulus bill. Obama claimed Owens had told him that Caterpillar would rehire a number of recently laid off employees if the stimulus bill passed.

Owens then came out the next day and said, http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=6866995&page=1&page=1>"uh, not exactly".

Anyway, a little more from the article:

Signs are emerging from China that demand for the company's yellow-and-black "Cat" machinery is picking up. And the Peoria, Ill., company, which generates nearly 70 percent of sales from overseas, wants its dealers prepared for a rebound in demand.

Demand picking up! Rebound!

The article tells us that Cat currently employees roughly 94,000 people, and that they've laid off roughly 16% of their workforce since seeing the economy going in the toilet.

Of course, in my current situation, I promptly went out to cat.com to see what kind of job prospects might be available.

Go ahead, take a guess at how many jobs Cat currently is listing on its website, in anticipation of a recovery and a pickup in business.

Nope.

Lower.

Try...

...

...

Fourteen.

hit and run

BTW, did you see where Palin is going to be on Oprah Nov 16th, the day before her book comes out?

Extraneus

Did you check their Chinese site, hit?

Jack is Back!

If you want the skinny on the "Anonymous Battle" then read the LUN. I remember it from early press reports since I was following the war closely having mustered out in 69. Unbelievable unit heroism.

Porchlight

--As an apostate Episcopalian, I've enjoyed observing that the only areas of growth in the Anglican church are in Africa and Asia where they're going toe-to-toe with Islam and, as a result, are extremely conservative.--

Ditto, except I've gone from being apostate Episcopalian to conservative Anglican, in a church explicitly not part of ECUSA. So, though I understand the reasoning, I'm not thrilled about the Pope cultivating the African Anglicans. They are the Anglican Church's only hope and they've been our allies for years.

narciso,

I'm sure it was a remarkable effort, just like La Drang Valley was, I just don't think he means it that's all

PD

Fourteen.

We need the control condition. How many were there before this terrific recovery?

Captain Hate

Porch, back before Cahrels Jhosnno's window of sanity permanently closed, I interacted with another poster at LGF, goddessoftheclassroom, who told me of a conservative Anglican parish she attended in the Pittsburgh area. That's a bit far of a commute for me but the concept was intriguing because I still find the liturgy beautiful and won't jump to something more convenient (Mrs Hate is a Lutheran and, even though I find them to be nice I'm not able to deal with things like them not having a general confession prior to communion; not to be overly dogmatic but that was a WTF moment for me plus I've taken a certain perverse pride in belonging to a religion founded on a flawed individual's unslakable lust). As an altar boy I regarded every attempt of the church to become more "relevant" with eye-rolling, head-shaking and thoughts of "this won't work out well".

PeterUK

Oh Good!
The Full Monty. Some have laid false claim to this but it is,working class argot,probably Mancunian. There was a gentleman's outfitter by the name of Montague Burton which supplied morning suits,evening dress and the like for hire at a time when few people owned such attire. To turn out so clad was called wearing the "Full Monty". This,over time became a euphemism for "the lot". Hence a complete reversal.

narciso,

Right, that's why it dodn't make any sense,
given the context of the film.

hit and run

Extraneus:
Did you check their Chinese site, hit?

Well, in the https://pscareer.cis.cat.com/career_us.html>job search page one gets to going through their US page, locations are available globally, both in selection criteria and in results.

macphisto

for the men of the erstwhile factory town, having lost everything, their version of "the lot" was to stand naked. thus it makes perfect sense as an ironicism, sort of the way Glenn Reynolds likes to say "the country's in the very best of hands." or the way i like to respond to "how are you" with "i couldn't be better if i'd been rolled in crumbs and deep-fried."

PD

"how are you"

"about the same"

"??? same as what?"

"as before"

Jim Ryan

Wait, these boom-bust cycles are natural and can't be stopped by giving more power to the government?

Nuts. Well, maybe the statists can just take power at the point of a gun, as their favorite philosopher Mao Tse-tung said.

Charlie (Colorado)

Well it obviously isn't getting repealed prior to Barry leaving office since the bill to repeal would need his signature.

T'ain't necessarily so. First, it's always possible it could be such a bust that the repeal would pass over a veto. Second, it's not like the courts are completely immune to politics; a really big election reversal would make it more likely the courts would look funny at it. And third, it doesn't have to be funded even if not repealed.

Charlie (Colorado)

Illinois workers who are paid by the state to care for severely disabled people in their homes have voted down an effort to unionize.

What's the over-under for the NLRB refusing to accept the election results?

Charlie (Colorado)

the greatest faith

Harumph.

cathyf

ChaCo, hunny-chile, do you think that you could possibly switch to using blockquote rather than italic to set off quotes? Those get closed automatically at the div boundary...

Charlie (Colorado)

Grumph. I even previewed that one.

boris

Perception relies more on expectation than people realize.

boris

The time delay in processing the 3D complex surroundings takes too long to permit real time interaction with commonly experienced motion. One way, perhaps the only way, to make that possible is for perception analysis to apply sufficient extrapolation of already processed information into the future about 10 .. 40 milliseconds.

That is why expectation is so heavily employed in the process. It is also the source for most optical illusions.

Maybe we don't.

So how do we manage the episodes of fierce motion?
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boris

"So how do we manage the episodes of fierce motion?"

Waiting at a stoplight with 4 people in the car. An unexpected accident between two moving cars happened right in front of us. I immediately asked each of the others what they just saw. All different.

Accidents I have observed I could track in real time had a slow motion video quality. Accidents I have observed that were unexpected have a completely different quality ... jumbled impressions with plastic and changing sequence in memory.

The difference is expectation. The first type comply with time exptapolation. The second lack basis for extrapolation.

I dunno; maybe we don't do that well.  Some, certainly, better than others.

Yes, you are talking about perceptions to be described. How do we cope so well within fierce motion if we are processing it without expectation?
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