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October 06, 2009

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JM Hanes

I think Barack being simultaneously specific and correct is counterfactual.

steve sturm

Having had meningitis, I'm pretty confident that there ought to be no confusion or faulty memories about having it and no confusion about whether it is viral or bacterial... patients (is it different for babies?) get a needle stuck in their spine (something one doesn't easily forget, whether the needle is going into your spine or the spine of your four month old daughter) and the lab report comes back either (A) no meningitis or (B) yes, meningitis, and if (B), that is either viral or bacterial. If the result is viral, there's relief that it wasn't bacterial, again, something that isn't easily forgotten. And if it was bacterial, it is a lot more serious for the patient, something that makes parents really freak out and (I believe) accompanied by testing of people coming into contact with the patient (at least it was on House), again, all things that aren't easily forgotten, even when one is laying the groundwork for a in-the-future presidential campaign.

Given this, I can't draw any conclusion other than (1) the kid didn't have meningitis (if she did, both parents would have definitely mentioned this in the affirmative), and (2) at least one of her parents was exaggerating for effect, ala John Edwards, Al Gore, etc., etc. You know, all's fair when trying to pass legislation that they know is for our own good...

Jim Ryan

TM, are you saying you're a meningitiser? Or only that meningitisers have made some good points?

peter

"....that brought the couple to their senses and convinced them that they should stay together"


I had never heard this before ( and I spend far too much time reading about the First Family.) There was a time when the Obama's marriage was in jeopardy?

I am intrigued.

Porchlight

It's standard practice for infants with very high temperatures to be tested for meningitis, which usually involves a spinal tap. So standard in fact that many pediatricians warn parents what to expect when they take a child with a high fever to the emergency room - that they may not be home for a couple of days. So my guess is that Sasha didn't have it, but they spent a couple of worrisome days in the hospital nonetheless.

Additional note - this has happened to two couples I know. In neither case did the child have meningitis. One couple said the experience was not a huge deal, because they were advised from the get go that it was standard procedure and the likelihood wasn't high. The other couple is much more dramatic as a rule and, unsurprisingly, made a much bigger deal about it.

So, does either Obama have a history of magnifying personal experience for desired effect? Hmmmm....

Gregory Koster

Peter, it happened right after The Once lost his quest to get nominated as a federal Representative. What good is he if doesn't deliver what Rolo thinks she's entitled to?

MayBee

If Obama is going to use his personal stories to push public policy, rather than actually develop the policy, it should be absolutely fair game to question his stories.

He uses his mother's insurance struggles too, even though I'm uncertain how many details he knew about his mom's life at that time.

GrumpyUnk

I get the feeling that Mccullagh could care less about the facts in this case and is simply Prepping the Battle space for future conflict. Bloggers pose a growing threat to the established media and the administration. Look no further than the new regulatory czar and his fairness ideas to see what Mccullagh is up to.

Fresh Air

MAJOR DEVELOPMENT:

AYERS CONFESSES TO WRITING DREAMS

Note: The blogger with whom Ayers spoke is not a crank. I don't know her, but she is well-known to others in the Chicago conservative community.

clarice

Andrew's too busy writing up stuff about his once 12 hours of passion (via Kaus) to be bothered with this petty stuff, TM. Consider it a warning in case you decided to check to see if he was saying anything about this. Too much info again, Sully, and not on anything any sentient person gives a carp about.

Neo

Summary:
CBS's Declan Mccullagh indicts a conservative blogger for believing Jeff Zeleny's story in the New York Times.

Neo

Using this technique, I wonder who they could blame for the "fake but accurate" Bush National Guard memos.

Neo

It occurred to me that the proper extension of this story is to blame readers who find errors in stories for even bothering to read them.

Viremia means the bug is everywhere the blood goes, which is everywhere..

You know, folks, the headache associated with any virus is a meningeal one, hence a meningitis. This whole blow-up is because of a misunderstanding between the commonly understood meaning of 'meningitis' and the jargon meaning of it, as a term of art. We've all had 'meningitis'.

I'll bet the Obamas don't understand it, and certainly all those reporting on their use of these terms don't.
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Charlie (Colorado)

I think Barack being simultaneously specific and correct is counterfactual.

I don't know, extremely improbable by the product law, but not counterfactual.

It would require actual thinking about what he's saying to manage to be purposefully wrong.

Terry Gain

I don't understand the reason for Mccullah's anxiety. It's not as if someone made fun of Obama in a comedy sketch.

Terry Gain

I don't understand the reason for Mccullah's anxiety. It's not as if someone made fun of Obama in a comedy sketch.

Mad Monica

I don't mind politicians using personal stories once in a while. It lets you know there might be a real person under the facade. The problem I have with the Obamas is they spend a LOT of time leaning on their personal stories as a way to manipulate the listener. And in the end, one finds more often than not, there's some sort of inaccuracy, fib or out and out untruth in the story. That makes me look upon anything else they say, on the personal or professional level, with skepticism. Of course, I do that anyway with these two...

I have to admit, however, I dislike the Obamas using their daughters to score points for this and that and then claiming they're off limits. No one else is allowed to trot their children out for photo ops, etc., then demand the children be off limits. Hell, look at what the vultures in the media did to the Palin kids. But I forgot. When you're an Obama the media does what you want, no matter what.

Which makes inaccuracies in the New York Times seem less "mistakes" than "deliberate untruths." See, one happens on accident. The other happens when one is trying to change the tone or context of a story to give the reader a false impression. But then isn't that what the NYT does for the Obamas on a daily basis?

Captain Hate

I just want to know how many poor people with meningitis Michelle shooed from the hospital where she was very gainfully employed.

Terry Gain

Fresh Air @5:11 PM

Very interesting but then I imagined Steve Hayward PhD issuing the following statement:

My God you bookers are going to be the death of the GOP. Do you really think for one minute that if Obama didn't write Dreams that Hillary Clinton wouldn't have discovered that?

The evidence that Obama wrote Dreams is overwhelming. I've read the book. His name is on it for goodness sakes. I've talked to the publisher. They issued a cheque to Obama, not Bill Ayers or anyone else.

Do you wingnuts understand how many people would have to be involved in a conspiracy of this magnitude? This kind of paranoia is destroying the Republican Party.

Terry Gain

Fresh Air @5:11 PM

Very interesting but then I imagined Steve Hayward PhD issuing the following statement:

My God you bookers are going to be the death of the GOP. Do you really think for one minute that if Obama didn't write Dreams that Hillary Clinton wouldn't have discovered that?

The evidence that Obama wrote Dreams is overwhelming. I've read the book. His name is on it for goodness sakes. I've talked to the publisher. They issued a cheque to Obama, not Bill Ayers or anyone else.

Do you wingnuts understand how many people would have to be involved in a conspiracy of this magnitude? This kind of paranoia is destroying the Republican Party.

Terry Gain

For some reason my comments are being posted twice. I apologize for both of them.

Cecil Turner

CBS's Declan Mccullagh indicts a conservative blogger for believing Jeff Zeleny's story in the New York Times.

Exactly. Typical journo-dunce, trying to dis bloggers for improper vetting, only to find out the blogger is quoting the "Paper of Record" the journos regard as holy writ. Self-parody at its best.

PeterUK

Why don't you imprison Andy for drug abuse,keep him and a couple of hundred lonely inmates happy.

Captain Hate

I'm not seeing any downside to that at all PUK.

BB Key

Natasha?

As in Boris & Natasha.

Mo & Bo thought the Russians were the heroes ?

What about the squirrel and the moose?

boris

Squirrel stew ... well actually only half squirrel ... one squirrel one moose.

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