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Joan

TM: "Team Obama has to postpone these trials until after the 2010 elections or this will go down as the biggest "own-goal" of the century millenium."

A masterpiece of a sentence, TM, a masterpiece. :)

MarkO

He's just not smart, now is he? What a mess he is making. Ah, to be a Republican defense lawyer who will savage the Clinton Administration at trial.

The possibilities are endless. Dismissal is likely. Will this jury be smart enough to understand the "case" against the "accused."

All rise!

clarice

Ditto,Joan.

I tell you that HLS must be some really brilliant thinking place. Columbia, too (where Holder went to law school). Smarter than everyone else.

Or--maybe--the jury will be picked in the same impartial and honest way all the audiences at Obama's campaign townhalls were..

Thomas Collins

I have to admit that when I first saw a blurb that KSM was going to be tried in NYC, I thought it must have been from a link to Onion or Scrappleface or Iowahawk. This is beyond madness. And beyond parody.

Thomas Collins

Perhaps Hasan will testify for KSM as a character witness.

clarice

Can I predict or what? I said I didn't think Holder would order an investigation of the CIA..WRONG
I offered to bet anyone they'd try these guys in military courts and DING! WRONG (within minutes on that one.)

Don't bet on me.

MDr

"This is a prosecutorial decision as well as a national security decision."

So true. If the Obamas can't release the various documents harmful to our national security in open court, as is their desire, at least Holder will have been able to shield terrorists he's so sympathetic towards. If he (Holder) can't defend them in court this time, he'll do the next best thing.

Thomas Collins

Clarice, you made the mistake of assuming this Administration isn't totally devoid of common sense.

Porchlight

Perhaps, clarice, but in a related story, you were absolutely right on the day of the Ft. Hood shooting when you affirmed within minutes of the breaking news that the shooter would be found to be suffering from Sudden Jihad Syndrome and that his radicalization would be in part due to a Saudi-import imam.

Bingo.

Janet

We have entered the realm of madness. That KSM hasn't been put before a wall(a piece of the World Trade Center preferably) and shot is a shame. Live television would be okay with me.

narciso

P.T. Barnum would make a mint, calculating the maximum stupidity of this camarilla, crew is too kind to describe the regime in Washington.

PaulL

Andy McCarthy has a post up about this at The Corner. His end paragraph:

"So: We are now going to have a trial that never had to happen for defendants who have no defense. And when defendants have no defense for their own actions, there is only one thing for their lawyers to do: put the government on trial in hopes of getting the jury (and the media) spun up over government errors, abuses and incompetence. That is what is going to happen in the trial of KSM et al. It will be a soapbox for al-Qaeda's case against America. Since that will be their "defense," the defendants will demand every bit of information they can get about interrogations, renditions, secret prisons, undercover operations targeting Muslims and mosques, etc., and — depending on what judge catches the case — they are likely to be given a lot of it. The administration will be able to claim that the judge, not the administration, is responsible for the exposure of our defense secrets. And the circus will be played out for all to see — in the middle of the war. It will provide endless fodder for the transnational Left to press its case that actions taken in America's defense are violations of international law that must be addressed by foreign courts. And the intelligence bounty will make our enemies more efficient at killing us."

hit and run

Clarice:
Can I predict or what?

You should start appending a 70% probability to all bold predictions.

Thomas Collins

Is Pinch Sulzberger going to make his offices available for plea bargaining?

Joan

I wonder if they'll reject all Christians and/or Jewish prospects from the jury pool. Remember, alleged criminals on trial are to be judged by a jury of their peers. Sounds like we need a jury pool of muslims, sprinkled with some atheists in order to be fair. /sarcasm off/

Despicable leftists. Can't stand them. Who would have thought the Weathermen would take over our schools and men like Kerry would take over the senate, etc., etc., etc.
Sorry, I feel a rant coming on.

peter

They are saying New York, but New York has four federal judicial districts, including the Eastern District, where there are quite a few Moslems living.

MDr

From Obama's Japan visit:
“I am absolutely convinced that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will be subjected to the most exacting demands of justice,”

Justice for the Left, always, and only means, justice for the accused - never for the public. Tipped his hand their. I do pity any judge who gets stuck with this. It's going to be lose-lose. I really can't decide if I want a liberal or conservative judge.

clarice

Andy McCarthy theorizes that this is part of a Holder/Obama agenda to get our intel people tried overseas. In today's installment he argues that a civialian trial will force the release of lots of working info about our operations and ease the work of the international courts.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTVkN2ZhMTU0NzcwYWVmYTNmODI1ZTJjMTA1ZDFiODQ=

go

The only people that should be on trial in this case were the deranged sadists who tortured this man in the most monstrous fashion imaginable.

A country that would try and convict someone based on confessions obtained by water-boarding DESERVERS to be attacked.

clarice

Sorry, Paul L, as i was pecking assiduously away you beat me to the punch.

Rob Crawford

The only people that should be on trial in this case were the deranged sadists who tortured this man in the most monstrous fashion imaginable.

Lordy, someone sure has swallowed gallons of the Flavor-Aid, haven't they?

Your opinion has been noted, however, and received the derisive laughter it deserves.

go

Sure pal

The guy "confessed" to the 9/11 attack, the Sudan bombings, the Cole attack, Lincoln's assassination, hurricane katrina and just about everything else.

Boy..that's HIGHLY believable.

MayBee

A country that would try and convict someone based on confessions obtained by water-boarding DESERVERS to be attacked.

I would volunteer to be water boarded myself it would stop another 9/11. Wouldn't you?

Patrick R. Sullivan

In a sane world this decision would be an impeachable offense.

go

MayBee

You don't have to be water boarded to stop another 9/11 attack. All you have to do is get your government to stop invading and bombing other countries and handing billions to the filth of Israel so they can steal more land.

Problem solved.

Instead--we'll go on another rampage in Afghanistan and those people are GOING to seek revenge. Just as they did on 9/11.

All quite predictable and tiresome.

William Teach

Oh, Lord, this means we are going to have to listen to incessant whining from terrorist apologists (read Liberals) for even more years about being mean to people involved in killing our citizens en masse.

go

Be as mean as you want.

And get your dumb ass attacked again.

Brilliant strategy.

go

Go ahead.

Spend another trillion dollars on war.

Get yourself attacked again.

Excellent strategy.

MayBee

go- you keep saying "your". What country are you in?

narciso

logic never works with these people, we were in Saudi Arabia, in part to prevent
Saddam from trying to invade again.

Rob Crawford

MayBee -- dunno what country, but he's clearly from a state of ignorance.

Seriously -- waterboarding is "the most monstrous fashion imaginable"? First, our own servicemen and women are waterboarded as part of SERE training. Second, I can imagine thousands of actions more horrible, without even reaching the list of those used by the jihadis themselves.

The child needs to go away until it grows up.

go

We don't even know how many of the WTC victims were Bush supporters. You can hardly call such people "innocent."

sylvia

I feel sorry for the jurors. Who would want to sit through the trial, being threatened by a worldwide network of SOAs? Not me. I wouldn't show up if I was called up. Or I would fake something. The only people who would agree to be on that jury would have to be be diehards, and diehards from both sides. That means some would say 'not guilty', and then you get an aquittal. Maybe that's what Obama wants.

Jane

Justice for the Left, always, and only means, justice for the accused - never for the public.

There is wisdom in those words.

Rob Crawford

the filth of Israel

Charming little antisemite, isn't "go"?

go

"ustice for the Left, always, and only means, justice for the accused - never for the public.

There is wisdom in those words."

What a load of crap. 22 CIA scum were found guilty in an Italian court of kidnapping and brutalizing INNOCENT people who have since been released and cleared of all charges. The US refuses to prosecute or extradite the criminals.

As long as there is no justice for the victims of US atrocities, they will continue to seek justice by non-judicial means.

Pretty basic.

Sue

go,

Go.

go

The filth of Israel

Charming little antisemite, isn't "go"?

Posted by: Rob Crawford | November 13, 2009 at 12:42 PM


I'm Jewish.

Try your childish crap on someone else.

Sue

I'm Jewish.

And I'm the Pope.

glasater

The filth of Israel

Charming little antisemite, isn't "go"?

Posted by: Rob Crawford | November 13, 2009 at 12:42 PM


I'm Jewish.

Try your childish crap on someone else.

Posted by: go | November 13, 2009 at 12:46 PM

Well there you are go--you hate yourself.

narciso

The Milan rendition team were not very swift, surely but they were trying to stop someone who was running a terror network into Iraq. Could still a pro nazi twit like
Glenn Gleenwald.

samir

He is alleged because there is no proof he was behind 9/11.

The "confessions" were tortured out of him. Obama is just covering for Bush and CIA.

Sue

I wonder what people like "go" thinks would happen if they were captured by an Islamic extremist group? Do they carry around their little droppings on the internet where they say "the filth of Israel" or "victims...Bush supporters...hardly innocent" and think they would be given a pass? Or that the building will be cleared of all non-republicans before it is bombed? Useful idiots.

go

grow the fuck up.

Look..just this week, we had a guy released from prison. A sheriff had been shot dead and they needed to convict someone. They picked up a black kid from across state lines and convicted him. Almost 20 YEARS later he's being released. He had nothing to do with it and the prosecution has basically admitted that all they cared about was a conviction and they knew all along he was innocent.

Now do you people mean to tell me that if his defense attorney found that he'd been water-boarded 183 times for a confession, he should be convicted anyway?

That's your view of justice?

Pretty pathetic.

Rob Crawford

I'm Jewish.

So? The phrase "Israeli filth" is sufficient to qualify you as a practitioner of Judenhass, regardless of your particular religion or ethnicity.

As for "child"... well, let's just say the "child" is the one who declared waterboarding THE MOST MONSTROUS TORTURE EVER!!!!!

Grow up. Educate yourself on something other than leftwing talking points. For extra credit, compare the conditions in a normal French jail to those in Camp X-Ray.

Rob Crawford

He is alleged because there is no proof he was behind 9/11.

Other than his own statements. Including those before he was ever in US custody.

Rob Crawford

Look..just this week, we had a guy released from prison.

I'm so happy for you. Glad to hear your community finally committed itself to justice.

Now, WTF does that case have to do with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? He's a war criminal, he has admitted to committing crimes against humanity. Frankly, he should be facing a military tribunal, and if found guilty, a hangman's noose.

Jane



I'm Jewish.

And I'm the Pope.

I'm saint Jane, so I beat you both.


Jane

This is the top headline at Hot Air. That may be where "go" went.

go

Grow up. Educate yourself on something other than leftwing talking points. For extra credit, compare the conditions in a normal French jail to those in Camp X-Ray.
Posted by: Rob Crawford | November 13, 2009 at 12:54 PM


While I certainly think the proper place for people like you is in prison, you'll pardon me for having my doubts about you knowing the first thing about conditions in Camp x ray, other than what the govt tells you.

As to the most monstrous forms of torture, I'm willing to defer to your expertise. You obviously seem quite enthusiastic about the topic.

Rob Crawford

I wonder what people like "go" thinks would happen if they were captured by an Islamic extremist group?

It will never happen, because "go" will never be anyplace they are not protected by the same men "go" believes should actually be on trial.

On the other hand, if "go" is anything but a poltroon, then "go" will be the one helping the jihadis. After all, hasn't "go" declared we deserve being murdered by jihadis?

MayBee

You don't have to be water boarded to stop another 9/11 attack.

Obviously. But you didn't answer my question. Would you?

BTW- what did Bali do to deserve it's two gigantic bombings?

MDr

"I wonder what people like "go" thinks would happen if they were captured by an Islamic extremist group?"

Berg comes to mind.

go

Now, WTF does that case have to do with Khalid Sheikh Mohammed? He's a war criminal, he has admitted to committing crimes against humanity. Frankly, he should be facing a military tribunal, and if found guilty, a hangman's noose.
Posted by: Rob Crawford | November 13, 2009 at 12:58 PM

You see, if they had strong, compelling evidence..obviously, the best place for the trial is in public court where everyone can observe the proceedings and see that they are carried out fairly and the guy receives rigorous defense. That would be the harshest blow to groups like al qaida..to demonstrate that the US believes in the rule of law and not in kangaroo courts worthy of 3rd world dictatorships.

Bush and his Nazi vermin did everything to avoid that, because their cases are so weak. Hundreds of people who were tortured for years have already been released, because they were completely innocent. They were rounded up and SOLD to the US for hard cash in Afghanistan.

COunt your blessings and pray that never happens to you.

Mike Huggins

Go here (a FDNY-support website, "thebravest.com") to sign a petition to President Obama to demand that KSM be tried by military justice. More info here.

...And for Hasan, it apparently wasn't "Sudden"

go

BTW- what did Bali do to deserve it's two gigantic bombings?

Posted by: MayBee | November 13, 2009 at 01:03 PM

No idea.

What did the 3-4 million people napalmed in Indochina do to deserve it (other than trying to hold a democratic election where the frontrunner was someone the United States didn't like)?

Terry Gain

This is madness. All it will take for a hung jury is one Muslim.

There are two questions that need to be urgently addressed by the American public:
1. Is Obama still a Muslim?
2. What would a closet Muslim be doing differently?

Mike Huggins

Man, don't wee-wee all over yourself. Oh wait, that's why you call yourself "go."

go

Lots of knee-jerk racism and very little thought.

The Bush dead-enders are out in force.

Jane

I thought you loved the government go. Or are you one of those foreign types?

TexEd

What if KSM's friends were able to put together enough cash to convince Holder to get KSM a presidential pardon? Why else would Zero move the issue into the jurisdiction of the federal courts?

MayBee

You said "we" could avoid another 9.11 by not being mean.
What did Indonesia do- or the people of Bali do- that was mean enough to provoke the AlQaeda bombings?

mAx___

"So? The phrase "Israeli filth" is sufficient to qualify you as a practitioner of Judenhass, regardless of your particular religion or ethnicity."

Perhaps he's just more informed about facts than you, Rob.

Or perhaps the liberal-controlled media (own mostly by pro-zionists) has done a great job for decades at making people believe Israel can do no wrong. To the point that anybody pointing out facts about a foreign country -that some here in America care more about than their own nation- will immediately be considered antisemitic/nazi/racist/child abuser/etc.

Wake up.

Rob Crawford


While I certainly think the proper place for people like you is in prison...

Ah! Such commitment to discourse! I disagree with you, therefore I should be imprisoned! Totalitarian, much?

you'll pardon me for having my doubts about you knowing the first thing about conditions in Camp x ray, other than what the govt tells you

Whereas you have the TRVTH!!!

(Based on what, we can only guess.)

As to the most monstrous forms of torture, I'm willing to defer to your expertise. You obviously seem quite enthusiastic about the topic.

Not enthusiastic -- educated.

Which used to be something people prized. An education, that is.

There used to be a time when people would realize that, say, having your throat sawn open was a more horrible experience than having water poured on your face. There used to be a time when people realized that a treatment used in routine training was not the MOST MONSTROUS TORTURE EVAH.

But, sadly, a heck of a lot of people took leave of their senses. Or never had any in the first place but have been misled into believing their ignorance should be flaunted.

MayBee

Did someone give Hasan a blackberry or something?

clarice

Next person who responds to this punk ass provocateur gets it between the eyes--well I'm a bad shot, so between the eyes may be hyperbole..but ..where are those bulets?


In other news, a bit more on the NY 23 race:
LUN

syn

I'm Jewish.

Try your childish crap on someone else. Posted by: go

My Israeli friends asked me to tell you to Keep your self-loathing Liberalism to yourself; your hands are bloody and your mind is full of rot.

narciso

You mean like the fellow who blew himself in Yemen, a month ago, or the one in Mosul
last spring, or the one shot in Nalchik, Russia, some years ago. Those innocent folk

William Teach

We saw how well being nice to Islamists worked during the Clinton years.

Rob Crawford

Perhaps he's just more informed about facts than you, Rob.

No, he's a bigot.

Like you.

(What "facts" are included in the phrase "Israeli filth"? Is that criticism of government policies or an out-and-out declaration that they're little more than pollution to be cleaned from the face of the planet?

And how have we come to the place where people are comfortable equating phrases lifted from the worst antisemitic broadsides with legitimate criticism of a government?)

go

Rob (good name for an Israeli, by the way. You're not Israeli, are you?)

Thanks for correcting me. Apparently i misspoke. You are not enthusiastic about torture, simply "educated" about it. That's how you know which forms of torture produce greater terror and suffering than water-boarding.

..just curious..where did you receive this education..the SS or the School of Americas?

narciso

Hey, I'm not taking the chance, with either the pistolas or the pikes

Rob Crawford

What did Indonesia do- or the people of Bali do- that was mean enough to provoke the AlQaeda bombings?

Danced, drank, partied, didn't bow to Mecca eight times a day.

The usual.

Terry Gain

Next person who responds to this punk ass provocateur gets it between the eyes--well I'm a bad shot,

Modesty becomes you so Clarice, especially after a bullseye.

Terry Gain

Next person who responds to this punk ass provocateur gets it between the eyes--well I'm a bad shot,

Modesty becomes you so Clarice, especially after a bullseye.

Terry Gain

My comments are so good they get posted twice.

Milly V

go is just a troll. why let it bother you? ignore it unless you think he has some great points.

go

Our Federal Building was blown to bit by a Christian terrorist. There are LOT of Jewish terrorists--they founded the state of Israel and continue to run the state of Israel. (Albert Einstein called them "Nazis and Fascists")

No one has a monopoly on terrorism.

go

"An Indonesian man arrested this week in connection with the Oct. 12 bombings in Bali has told interrogators he knows several of Southeast Asia's most prominent terrorism suspects, and said he was involved in an August 2000 bombing at the Philippine ambassador's house in Jakarta, officials said today.

Amrozi, a 40-year-old East Javanese car repairman, told police that the Bali bombings, which destroyed two nightclubs and killed more than 180 people -- about half of them Australian -- were "revenge" for "what Americans have done to Muslims," according to Maj. Gen. I Made Pastika,"

No one excuses such acts of terror. But you want to LIE about why they happened. They happened in response to US policy, just as 9/11 did. (At least that's what the investigators insisted)

Frau Stricknadel

Ah, Boosh and the joos! Well, that explains it all.

Watch out for her knitting needles, too, narciso.

wayne

Tell me something - if we can't manage to have a fair election in 2010 (assuming we still even exist as anything other than a blighted, destroyed land) are any of you about ready to secede from this insane socialist union?

Rick Ballard

Narciso,

An effective response to prog trash infestations is to reflect upon interesting questions concerning Obama's lack of character. The two posed by Terry have some bearing upon upon Obama's giving a confessed muslim terrorist access to the civilian judicial system. Would a closet muslim do anything differently? Beyond that, does the President's actions in this matter relate in some way to the "other half" of his being? IOW - is this an Ayers/Soros tactic to make KSM "free as a bird"?

IMO - the President is totally amoral and there is no moral, ethical or religious system which could encompass his complete lack of character. There is no one he will not sell out and nothing (aside from his own worthless skin) which he will protect.

His prog trash constituency is going to find that out - he's a puppet, he's just not as good a puppet as his minders had hoped.

Jim Ryan

Aren't torture, Bush=Hitler and Israel=evil kinda 2003? The cutting edge now is Cap and Trade and screaming obscenities at Pelosi until she gives us single payer. I like troll moonbattery but not if it's reruns.

go

Posted by: Frau Stricknadel | November 13, 2009 at 01:35 PM


You seem to be confused.

The most passionate opposition to Israel's Nazi-inspired criminality is from Jews. The scathing report from the UN is from the jewish jurist Justice Goldstone.

Please have someone read you the newspaper at least once a month.

MayBee

No one excuses such acts of terror. But you want to LIE about why they happened. They happened in response to US policy, just as 9/11 did. (At least that's what the investigators insisted)

But what does US policy have to do with Bali? What did Bali do to deserve the attacks?

Could it be that alQaeda is willing to kill people/targets who have done nothing to provoke them?

Rob Crawford

Sorry clarice... please hold your fire...


Rob (good name for an Israeli, by the way. You're not Israeli, are you?)

That's the third time I've been asked that in my life. Always by a lefty.

Why does it matter?

..just curious..where did you receive this education..the SS or the School of Americas?

History books. Newspapers.

Your assumption that knowledge of the horrible things mankind has done to each other is evidence of some sort of guilt is bizarre.

*shrug*

I'm through with you. Take that however you want -- to quote a favorite author, "the opinions of worthless people are worthless."

go

Obviously, al qaaia are ruthless and have no reservations about murdering innocent people. The question is whether the United States cares about murdering innocent people and the facts do not cast us in a very agreeable light.

As to the bali nightclub..it was a popular spot for Americans, which is who they were trying to kill.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/bali-bombers-aimed--to-kill-americans-608707.html

By the way, may bee..how do you feel about Israeli terrorists blowing up the King David hotel and murdering 92 people? The current prime minister came out for a public celebration of the event. That's a fact.

go

"the opinions of worthless people are worthless."

Posted by: Rob Crawford | November 13, 2009 at 01:39 PM


On that we can agree Rob.

btw..is that an Israeli name?

Rick Ballard

Terry,

Would a closet muslim President have ordered the execution by sniper of black muslim teenagers involved in piracy? It may be that he was too stupid to understand the implications of the order he gave but (assuming he knew what he was doing) does taquiya allow for killing other muslims in order to protect oneself from discovery? I really don't know - perhaps Rev. goddamn Amerikkka Wright could pose the question to his buddy, Calypso Louie?

Rob Crawford

Could it be that alQaeda is willing to kill people/targets who have done nothing to provoke them?

Nah.

Can't be that. That would be granting al'Qaeda full humanity, making them free-willed agents capable of making their own decisions. If you do that, you can't reassign their guilt to the United States.

Rob Crawford

btw..is that an Israeli name?

Why do you care?

Is "go" a moronic name?

Charlie (Colorado)

Go, I should be pleased to explain to you the difference between waterboarding and real torture.

go


Can't be that. That would be granting al'Qaeda full humanity, making them free-willed agents capable of making their own decisions. If you do that, you can't reassign their guilt to the United States.
Posted by: Rob Crawford | November 13, 2009 at 01:49 PM

Absolutely right, ROB-from-Israel

They hate our freedoms!!!

Denis McCormick

If this Administration was going to bend, they could have at least tried him in a Texas court, where they have the death penalty. Let's see how many terrorist would want to stand court in the US then.
This would be a win for Obama and the American people because we wouldn't house them in any prison system.

go

Go, I should be pleased to explain to you the difference between waterboarding and real torture.

Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | November 13, 2009 at 01:51 PM

Yes..by all means.

While your at it, I'm sure everyone would love to hear some of your lunatic creationist theories.

dk70

KSM is going to recant his confession and blame it on waterboarding.

Porchlight

Paging patient "go"....Dr. Hasan will see you now.

dk70

Bali is not a popular destination for Americans. Cancun, Jamaica, Cayman, Bahamas are popular destinations for Americas.

MayBee

Go said: You don't have to be water boarded to stop another 9/11 attack. All you have to do is get your government to stop invading and bombing other countries and handing billions to the filth of Israel so they can steal more land.

Problem solved.

Then said that Bali was attacked twice- killing mostly Indonesians, many Australians, a small number of Americans, and the economy of Bali because of AMERICAN policy.
Obviously, as long as someone somewhere in the world is doing something alQaeda doesn't like, everyone else is fair game.

Problem not solved.

(I am distressed by your apparent unpreparedness to discuss the Bali bombings. Did you perhaps not know about them?)


mAx___

"So? The phrase "Israeli filth" is sufficient to qualify you as a practitioner of Judenhass, regardless of your particular religion or ethnicity."

Perhaps he's just more informed about facts than you are, Rob.

Or perhaps the liberal-controlled media (own mostly by pro-zionists) has done a great job for decades at making people believe Israel can do no wrong. To the point that anybody pointing out facts about a foreign country -that some here in America care more about than their own nation- will immediately be considered antisemitic/nazi/racist/child abuser/etc.

Wake up.

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