Plane Crash In Austin

Joseph Stack crashed his small plane into an IRS office building in Austin, TX.  Stack is the only confirmed fatality but one person is unaccounted for.

Here is what is almost surely his suicide note.  Stephen Spruiell wonders what political label belongs to a guy who hates organized religion, big corporations, George Bush, and especially, the IRS, but favors massive health care reform to rein in Big Pharma and Big Insurance.

I'm not finding any political contributions at the FEC site for a Joesph Andrew Stack or J A Stack of TX or CA.

MORE:  The guy was a software engineer who posted his suicide note to the internet, so eventually his "handle" will be discovered and we will peruse his musings at the Daily Kos or Huffington Post or Red State.

If I had to put him in a political box I would say that right now the 24/7 economic populism of the Tea Party probably held him more than the here today-gone tomorrow populism of Barack Obama.  But I wouldn't be surprised if Stack had a thing for the anti-corporate Nader or Kucinich back in the day, or maybe Ron Paul.

Can I just pick the box labeled "wacko"?

Comments

[PeterUK]

Busy day down here; oh, and Joe Stack says hi.

[Rob Crawford]

Stephen Spruiell wonders what political label belongs to a guy who hates organized religion, big corporations, George Bush, and especially, the IRS, but favors massive health care reform to rein in Big Pharma and Big Insurance.

The fact he accurately quoted the Communist Manifesto, and made up something called the "capitalist manifesto", is indicative.

[Dave (in MA)]

I'm sure the PMSNBC crowd will call him a teabagger, even though he's explicitly anti-Bush in his screed.

[narciso]

The lefties do seem to be cracking up, first Bishop, now Stack, and they haven't even really lost power yet

[PeterUK]

JUDSON PHILLIPS: Well, I’m not — you know, the Tea Party movement does not defend George W. Bush. George W Bush is not exactly one of my favorite people.

[Ignatz]

--Stephen Spruiell wonders what political label belongs to a guy who hates organized religion, big corporations, George Bush, and especially, the IRS, but favors massive health care reform to rein in Big Pharma and Big Insurance.--

Except for the IRS part, which even lefties who aren't in elected office hate, isn't that a pretty fair description of our POTUS and Dem congressional leadership?

[clarice]

You s.o.b.,using PUK's signature. If I find out who you are, I'll punch you in the nose!

[Rob Crawford]

You s.o.b.,using PUK's signature. If I find out who you are, I'll punch you in the nose!

It's semen-tick-Leo.

Though, to be honest, after Stack's manifesto, I figure 'cleo's posting here to let us know it wasn't him.

[boris]

It's cleo who hates the haters, intolerates the intolerators, offends the offensive and despises all who lack self awareness of their despicable nature.

Most of all cleo hates cleo.

[PeterUK]

Ayn Rand:

Man's standard of value, say the mystics of spirit, is the pleasure of God, whose standards are beyond man's power of comprehension and must be accepted on faith....The purpose of man's life...is to become an abject zombie who serves a purpose he does not know, for reasons he is not to question.

[Buford Gooch]

The person posting as PUK obviously has a proctologist for primary care.

[Buford Gooch]

I hope it goes away. I hate the fact that I share an avatar thingy with it.

[Ignatz]

--The person posting as PUK obviously has a proctologist for primary care.--

To translate that for anduril; a proctologist is a doctor who examines your Fatah.

[centralcal]

heh, Ignatz!

[matt]

the fictional narratives going on right now are truly amazing. I was upset even with Limbaugh this morning as he dumped all over FrankDodd when Wall Street and corporate America are just as guilty and are clearly playing both sides against the middle.
People seem to read whatever they please into some of these events.

Yesterday morning I sat there with my jaw on the floor as I watched Obama fabricate 2,000,000 jobs out of whole cloth. I finally blogged this morning. LUN.

[glasater]

The FBI Just Shut Down Tax Protest Terrorist Joe Stack's Website--from twitter.

[Jim Ryan]

Stack's rant and actions shook the troll. A bit too close to home. So it hit the bottle, as usual.

The humiliation it feels when it contemplates PUK are excruciating. Hence the abuse of his name.

[rrpjr]

He was an unstable individual. If he'd had an altar to Barack Obama in his basement, or a tea party tatoo on his forehead, that's still the only way I'd see it.

[Frau Stachelschwein]

Some of those who voted for #44 are upset that The U.S. of Alinksy is not already in place. One hopey-changey was angry that he/she/it wanted a socialist country in his/her/its lifetime. Also, Austin is not known as a Tea Party town.

[Ignatz]

--He was an unstable individual. If he'd had an altar to Barack Obama in his basement, or a tea party tatoo on his forehead, that's still the only way I'd see it.--

Who; cleo, Stack, or both?

[Jack is Back!]

Evidently he should have called Tax Masters. What is it that the bearded guy Patrick Cox says about the IRS will aggressively pursue you. Well, it looks Joe did the same to them. But, seriously, this is a guy who was a "contractor" and not an employee and like Turbo Tax Timmy Geithner did not always declare his income and taxes and was finally caught over a period of years. He used a lot of the same angry epithets that the Tea Partiers use but he is not one. Tea Party people are angry at taking their taxes and spending them like there is no tomorrow. This guy didn't pay his taxes and his excuse is that GM and Enron and Bush and the Catholics some how are to blame because of their perceived larceny or deception for him not understanding the tax code as it applies to independent contractors. For a guy smart enough to get a BS somewhere, work as a software engineer, get his private pilots license, etc. he used his own apathy and lethargy to not do his fair share.

However, this is another clarion call for the "Fair Tax".

[Dave (in MA)]

An interesting side-by-side comparison of 2 well-known rodents

[Tom Bowler]

...Tea Party movement does not defend George W. Bush. George W Bush is not exactly one of my favorite people.

PUK, actually W is one of my favorite people. I'm still amazed that he pulled off the invasion of Iraq and got a representative democracy going there. And he did it in the face of opposition that was positively treasonous.

[PeterUK]

If I find out who you are, I'll punch you in the nose!

Oh dang.

Does that mean you won't be taking your dentures out next time?

[narciso]

I think you're insulting the chipmunk Dave, by associating him with Olbermann

[BumperStickerist]

Fortunately, this iteration of "PeterUK" lacks the original's style, grace, and wit

... which tells us all we need to know about both the imposter and the subject.

Thanks for reminding me of the real PeterUK, you hack.

[Dave (in MA)]

We haven't heard from the Internet tough guy for a little while now. His momma must have called the little dearie up from the basement for his Easy Mac and juice box.

[Old Lurker]

Ignatz, I had trouble understanding your 4:17. Would you highlight the important words in bold, please.

[MarkO]

Someone who would misappropriate Peter's screen name is likely a necrophiliac. More than just his ranted ideas is dead.

[Rick Ballard]

OL,

I have no idea why Ignatz was explaining the clinical focus of a proctologist to someone who undoubtedly has one as primary caregiver - without any need to ever worry about referrals to a specialist. Odd.

[daddy]

I don't understand Joe Stack's anger at the IRS. Harry Reid told us ">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7mRSI8yWwg"> paying your Income Tax is voluntary.

[Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet]

Anyone who uses a beloved dead person's comment identity is beyond contempt. Even if it is only a one time thing, the odious troll using that name should be permanently banned here.

The handle Peter UK should be retired on this blog just like Ruth, Dimaggio, Berra, or Gehrig's number was retired by the Yankees. if Tom or anyone else knows how to make it happen please do it in memory of PUK.

[clarice]

Agreed,Jim.

[MayBee]

I bet they are wrong about Stack being upset with paying taxes. I'll bet he was really upset about paying health insurance premiums.

As I understand it, people can pay tax after tax after tax without it really affecting their financial situation.

[centralcal]

I agree Jim. Trolls will be trolls, but there are some lines that just shouldn't be allowed to be crossed - using Peter's JOM name and posting porn photos.

[Reagan]

Anyone who uses a beloved dead person's comment identity is beyond contempt.

I wholeheartedly agree; and who should know better? We conservatives are well-versed in the ways of contemptible behavior.

[clarice]

Fox is reporting that it appears Muslim translators poisoned military at Ft Jackson S.C. No other details available just now.

[I'm mad and I'm not gonna take it anymore.]

Why his note is a rough draft for a movie script.
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[Tom Bowler]

Oh dear. I made a hurried comment, not taking the time to notice that I was replying to an impostor. I apologize to everybody for feeding the troll. I should have paid closer attention.

[clarice]

I apologize to everybody for feeding the troll.

That's OK Tom; it could happen to any of us. This troll seems particularly clever. Misguided perhaps, but clever nonetheless.

[Rob Crawford]

This troll seems particularly clever.

The word isn't "clever". It's "malignant".

[St PeterUK]

That does it, no afterlife for cleo.

[Al "Internet" Gore]

Ignore the trolls and they will go away angry. Respond to the trolls and they will be around forever...that and you'll look like a fool.

[clarice]

I DID NOT AUTHOR THE 6:39 POST.

[centralcal]

Clarice's tip about the attempted poisoning LUN - via Ace of SpadesHQ

[Old Lurker]

We knew that, C. There were no typos!

:-)

[clarice]

"CBN Exclusive: Five Muslim Soldiers Arrested at Fort Jackson in South Carolina

CBN News has learned exclusively that five Muslim soldiers at Fort Jackson in South Carolina were arrested just before Christmas and are in custody. The five men were part of the Arabic Translation program at the base.

The men are suspected of trying to poison the food supply at Fort Jackson.

A source with intimate knowledge of the investigation, which is ongoing, told CBN News investigators suspect the "Fort Jackson Five" may have been in contact with the group of five Washington, DC area Muslims that traveled to Pakistan to wage jihad against U.S. troops in December. That group was arrested by Pakistani authorities, also just before Christmas.

Coming as it does on the heels of November's Fort Hood jihadist massacre, this news has major implications.

Stay tuned to this blog for more details".

LUN

[Davebo]

Geez!

Can we forget arguing about whether he was a Democrat/Republican/Libertarian/Anarchist and just agree he was a total loon who cheated on his taxes, got caught, and took the easy way out?

Oh, and Clarice. Weren't you even slightly skeptical when you Googled the Fort Jackson Five and found only the Christian Broadcast Network was reporting the farce.

Of course you weren't... Bless your heart!

[matt]

I wonder if they are linked to Anwar Al-Awlaki as well?

Bin Laden is the focus while Al-Awlaki has been linked to almost every major terrorist incident in the past 10 years.

[clarice]

I DID NOT AUTHOR THE POST AT 06:50

[centralcal]

Davebo: From Fox News:

The U.S. Army is investigating allegations that soldiers were attempting to poison the food supply at Fort Jackson in South Carolina.

The ongoing probe began two months ago, Chris Grey, a spokesman for the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division, told Fox News.

The Army is taking the allegations “extremely seriously,” Grey said, but so far, "there is no credible information to support the allegations."

The suspects were part of a Arabic translation program called "09 Lima" and use Arabic as their first language, two sources told Fox News. Another military source said they were Muslim.

Grey would not confirm or deny the sources’ information.

Fox News' Catherine Herridge contributed to this report.

[clarice]

I DID author the 6:50 post. This is annoying but I am sure the regulars know the asshole's work.

[centralcal]

Give it up scumbag at 7:07 PM.

[centralcal]

you betcha we do, Clarice! you just beat me to it letting the vermin know.

[MayBee]

I'm eager to hear from Porchlight.

[Neo]

Obama opens new front of "War on Muslims" ...

The U.S. Army is investigating allegations that soldiers were attempting to poison the food supply at Fort Jackson in South Carolina.

The ongoing probe began two months ago, Chris Grey, a spokesman for the Army’s Criminal Investigation Division, told Fox News.

[clarice]

Neo; please try reading the comments next time. I posted that news at 6:50.

[clarice]

Also not posted by me.

How tedious is this asshole?

[Porchlight]

Hi MayBee - everything's fine here, thanks. I live and work a fair bit south of the Echelon building. But my co-worker lives just a few blocks away and drives by it every day.

FWIW her BIL used to work in the Echelon complex and said they did fire drills constantly, what with the FBI and IRS being there. He thinks that's what helped them evacuate so fast and efficiently.

Local news is doing a good job of coverage, I think. They don't seem to be wildly speculating like some of the national people (*cough* Shep Smith *cough*).

But it seems to me like this guy is a straight up Alex Jones-style Texas nutcase. His rantings sound like a lot of Austin people I know in town who tend to like Ron Paul, have "9/11 Is An Inside Job" bumper stickers, and talk about "the tanks and the banks" a lot. Anti-government, yes - Tea Partiers, no.

[geral]

...connect the dots, girls!

http://sosbeevfbi.ning.com/forum/topics/united-states-loses-its

http://www.freedomfromthepress.net/wordpress/2009/08/09/is-the-us-government-secretly-torturing-us-citizens/

http://www.sosbeevfbi.com/part4-worldinabo.html


http://www.icdc.com/~paulwolf/cointelpro/cointel.htm



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[faux clarice]

Scott Brown re his election, tea partiers, and the attack in Austin:

Brown: It's tragic and I feel for the families, obviously being affected by it. And I don't know if it's related but I can just sense not only in my election but since being here in Washington, people are frustrated and want transparency and accountability and talk about things affecting that are affecting their daily lives.

LUN

[Pops]

Interesting question for Al Gore:

What is a bigger cause of global warming? Americans driving SUVs or Social Security?

Perhaps you never thought that Social Security has caused more pollution, more carbon dioxide and more chlorofloricarbons than gas guzzling vehicles. But think about it.

Before Social security, old people, in many cases had to live with their children after they retired, or in group living situations. They were available to watch the young children because they were living under the same roof.

After Social Security, we have literally tens of millions of elderly not just living alone, but driving their own vehicles and moving to warmer climates where they kick on the massive air conditioning and power lods onto our power grid.

this has required not just the construction of more housing and vehicles, but roads, developments, and everything from appliances to infrastructure.

I would love to see a study that addressed the affects all of this has had on the environment.

So if you support social security - are you anti-environment?

[Ignatz]

--Ignatz, I had trouble understanding your 4:17. Would you highlight the important words in bold, please.--

Not a problem, OL. It's common courtesy:

--To translate that for anduril; a proctologist is a doctor who examines your Fatah.--

I'm pretty sure by now we've all been educated on the paramount importance of that word.

[PaulV]

the fake poster has "aol.com" as LUN. He is lazy but may change it

[clarice]

Know what causes high taxes?

Fox News.

Fox News tells people that wars are a wonderful thing. But to start a war, we need to build lots of ships, aircraft, weapons, etc. And of course we hire lots of expensive contractors to build this stuff.

So we need higher taxes to pay for the things that Fox News likes. Or we can borrow money from the Chinese. Which of course raises a whole host of other issues.

[Old Lurker]

Paul, we could probably go back and see who was experimenting with the avatars before finding Clarice's blue...but why waste time on the jerk. That's what he wants.

[Jane]

You know every time I see Brown I like him more. He really is Sarah Palin - a regular who honestly wants to do what is best. I hope it lasts.

[Extraneus]

I think it's a she. Anyway, it's really not possible to mimic Clarice's posting style, or PeterUK's.

[Ignatz]

Cleo has the aol tag, and has for quite some time.

[matt]

sounds like a great movie project. get me Leo, Bobby DiNiro..Coppola can direct..Yeah, we'll call it American Kamikaze!

[Noe]

Bama and the Lama had to sell. He's really one of them buddhists.

I doubt he was a volunteer...........

LHC

[Mustang0302]

Intentionally crash a nice airplane like that Dakota?

What a loser. Then again, as sad, angry and pathetic as poor little Stackie was, to his credit he never stooped so low as to invent an imaginary Marine son. Why if he had, I'm sure cleo would get on her knees and blow her Stack!

What's that cleo? Unintelligible. Sounds like your mouth is full. Hot down there? How's your son? Say 'hi' for me!

[Mustang0302]

Sorry Grandma! I thought that was cleo down there! After all these years you'd think I'd recognize those powerful throat muscles of yours.

[Mustang0302]

BTW, anyone know what a walrus pussy in heat tastes like? I swear to God it's just like anchovy pizza! Anytime I smell seawater it's all I can think about.

[Mustang0302]

Still garbled, cleo. Twice. Spit, then speak. You know, like your son the Marine. If you had a son. If he was a Marine.

Have I hit a sore spot, cleo?

[mefolkes]

It isn't so easy to pick out the imposters. Perhaps the one impersonating Clarice finally realized we were looking at the URL and recognizing she/he/it by the aol.com. and put in the politico.com link. But then that same link appeared in one of the four last posts allegedly done by Mustang, and it sure doesn't sound like Mustang. We need some ironclad registration that will keep this from happening.

[Old Lurker]

Happens with the phase of the moon or something. No big deal, they go away because nobody here rises to the bait.

[Mustang0302]

mefolkes, I'm at 09:24 and 09:54.

cleo's very upset (at 09:41 and 09:48) about me mocking her imaginary Marine son.

Like shooting fish in a barrel, right cleo?

Your son would know. If you had a son. If he was a Marine. If he had learned how to shoot. If he didn't shoot Maggie's Drawers.

Poor cleo.

[Mustang0302]

Yup, ya gotta figger that a guy with the name 'Moose-tang' has a pretty colorful history. But that story will wait for another day.

And I used to be 0301 until my second testicle dropped; that's how I got the 0302 upgrade.

And you all know I'm not some Euro-metric sorta guy, so I'll let you in on the other secret; the '03' is definitely inches, not centimeters.

My girlfriend says it's not the meat it's the motion; that's why she insists my wingman do the honors. Also why I know so much about walruses.

[Melinda Romanoff]

OL-

If we just chart liquor sales trends to the Northern Virginia area, we might be able to determine the timing of these outbreaks of loebism. I'm suspecting that Popov Vodka, or Christian Brothers brandy might be the true tell-tales of this unfortunate phenomena.

Or, being on the OFA mailing list might help as well.

The two are related, I feel.

[Frau Stachelschwein]

The "taxes are voluntary" carp can suck in normally smart people who then believe income taxes are even illegal. The next step is to want to represent himself/herself in court.A lot of money is made selling books, tapes and "counsel" to the duped. A very close family friend bought the spiel and didn't have the money of Wesley Snipes to make peace with the IRS. We could not change his mind, and his life has been damaged because of it. Stack sounds like another such believer.

[clarice]

That's OK Mustang. Find the right girl and it won't matter.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Frau-

An excellent lesson.

Of early, the Fed's hike of rates this afternoon is going to make for an interesting trading day tomorrow.

G'night all.

[clarice]

8:15 and 8:34 is also impostor.

[Mustang0302]

Girls find Marines, cleo. Your son would know that. If you had a son. If he was a Marine. If he was interested in girls.

Levels:

1. Mean Sea Level.

2. Whale Excrement.

3. Ocean Floor.

4. Those Who Fly Perfectly Good Airplanes Into Buildings.

5. Those Who Invent Marine Sons.

6. Cleo. So desperately unhappy she spends her life pretending to be other, happier people.

[Rob Crawford]

I'm suspecting that Popov Vodka, or Christian Brothers brandy might be the true tell-tales of this unfortunate phenomena.

I think you're overestimating the budget available. I think the troll's preferred "drug" of choice is asphyxiation -- which also explains the severe brain damage.

[T Sniffer]

You know how to tell when Obama is a massive failure? The trolls appear.

So, sit back, read 'em and savor every last insipid morsel.

[clarice]

The "taxes are voluntary" carp can suck in normally smart people who then believe income taxes are even illegal

When normally smart people have been told for years that they understand the details of any complex field just as well as the trained experts it leads to this kind of nonsense.

Obviously accountants and lawyers are just blinded by adherence to the myths and illogic that permeate their professions. And once a 'deep thinker' points out the error of their ways, the judges will of course see things their way.

After all, they have been told that the average 3rd grader understands biology at a much deeper level than biologists; they feel sure that the intricacies of tax law are well within the grasp of anyone with an 8th grade education.

Tax deniers are the fruit and flower of your methodologies.

[Neo]

So does this mean if you get audited by the IRS, you should thell them that you know how to fly a plane 747 B-52 ?

[Cleo]

You got me! Now that I have a hard on its time to masturbate in front of my Obama posters.

[Ne113018]

Clarice took the bait. She usually does. Maybe we should shut off comments just before the terrorists do what she wants; like maybe dinner with the deputy director was a bad idea and setting up that poor lonely man with one of them real serious like Plame things was a bad idea.

Obama trolls are pretty neat. They act like they're conservatives mak'n a point, but they're really support'n O & L and you just can't tell they are. I figured 'em cause I know how they just put stuff in sentences not good like and you, if you check real good, you can tell they're mak'n a point that is bad for your blog since your all Republicans and we know.

[Holly]

OT Why the heck is KBH running against Perry? I just don't get it.

[old commenter/ fan of Peter]

Wow-you all get no respect from Tom.

I don't know what that's about-but it's been a trend for awhile now.

Allowing a troll to namejack one of your fellow travelers-you have to get the message by now-don't you?

A guy that in no way it seems can defend himself.

A lawyer at another blog-use to draw the line at namejacking and threats of physical violence....

Big believer in free speech-but there are legitimate limits.

Tomcan't be bothered.

Pretty gross.

[The Bouncer Lives.]

Thanks oc/fop, but this is a board moderated by the commenters. It works against all but the most sociopathic, and I'll admit, it worked better when Peter was Sergeant-at-Arms.
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[cathyf]

Joseph Stack is Andrew Kehoe. It's amazing that more Americans don't know about the Bath school bombing

From wikipedia:

The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, USA, on May 18, 1927, which killed 45 people (38 grade-schoolers and 7 adults) and injured 58. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7–12 years of age) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest act of mass murder in a school in U.S. history. The perpetrator was school board member Andrew Kehoe, who was upset by a property tax that had been levied to fund the construction of the school building. He blamed the additional tax for financial hardships which led to foreclosure proceedings against his farm. These events apparently provoked Kehoe to plan his attack.

On the morning of May 18, Kehoe first killed his wife and then set his farm buildings on fire. As fire fighters arrived at the farm, an explosion devastated the north wing of the school building, killing many of the people inside. Kehoe used a detonator to ignite dynamite and hundreds of pounds of pyrotol which he had secretly planted inside the school over the course of many months. As rescuers started gathering at the school, Kehoe drove up, stopped, and detonated a bomb inside his shrapnel-filled vehicle, killing himself and the school superintendent, and killing and injuring several others. During the rescue efforts, searchers discovered an additional 500 pounds (230 kg) of unexploded dynamite and pyrotol planted throughout the basement of the school's south wing.

[Mustang0302]

Allowing a troll to namejack one of your fellow travelers-you have to get the message by now-don't you?

Pay attention, oc/fop. We've got cleo's number. As soon as she sticks her head up, we remind her of her non-existent Marine son and she spins off into a high-and-to-the-right-rage. Vanishes soon after that.

Mention of her Marine offspring is like kryptonite to cleo. Same-same as a mute button.

Right, cleo? cleo? See?

[Mustang0302]

I wonder which distresses cleo more...the fact that any potential spawn of hers would reject his moonbat upbringing and embrace The Green Machine, or the self-inflicted torture she faces by showing her pinched, angry little mug around Tom's place?

Are you feeling me, cleo?