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April 30, 2010

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Strawman Cometh

I googled: Luis Gutierrez enemy. Beyond the above quote, the only reference was where he voted against the establishment of military commissions to try enemy combatants.

bgates

Even though he would like to see Latinos turn out to vote for Democrats in 2010, Gutierrez said "many will probably decide to stay home."

And since "home" is Mexico, that could really cut into the vote.

I kid - deportation won't prevent a Democrat from casting a vote any more than death does.

The law requires law enforcement officers to question anyone they suspect is in the country illegally.

No, it doesn't. Does the AP consider the truth to be secondary to helping their party, or do they not consider it at all?

Buford Gooch says GS sucks

The Arizona immigration law is fast on its way to becoming the most misused law of the year. Obamacare was big, but as far as an election yer goes, this could be bigger. I suspect, however, that the lefties don't yet understand the repercussions among the non-Latino voters.

Captain Hate

Blowing a golden opportunity, the Repuke way:

BLITZER: But you know there are some Republican strategists, Karl Rove, among others, who are worried this is going to alienate Hispanic voters. The Republican Party needs these people.

STEELE: I think -- I think Karl Rove is exactly right about that and that we need, as a party, to be mindful that our prior actions in this area, and certainly our rhetoric in this area, has not been the most welcoming and the most supportive of helping those who want to assimilate into the way of life of America, learning English, getting a good job, coming to the process in a legitimate way, has not helped that.

Steele + Rove = Turd sandwich. You can do better, Jane.

Pops

If Republicans weren't stupid they would propose an immigration bill that fast tracks LEGAL immigration. That is for people who stayed in their home country and applied legally to come here. You would not be eligible if you have ever broken US law.

This would get rid of the whole racism nonsense and make the issue strictly about obeying the law.

Jane

He is misrepresenting Rove, who said the law could be better crafted to avoid this fight, but he agrees with the substance.

From what I can tell the law seems well crafted, but I'm not going to dump him over that.

You know I bet there are a fair amount of hispanics who actually support this law. Like conservative blacks they will be demonized of course. But someone should look into that.

Janet

This never ending insanity of not securing our borders and enforcing our immigration laws is the fault of Congress...both Rep. and Dem.. It is one of my main reasons for being disillusioned when the Reps. were in control.
Immigration and oil drilling.
If Congress can not or will not secure our borders and enforce our laws then they should be voted out. Let's get some representatives that can do the job.
Pops idea @ 7:25 sounds good too.

bunkerbuster

Pops asserts: ``This would get rid of the whole racism nonsense and make the issue strictly about obeying the law.''

No, it wouldn't. The focus on illegal workers rather than illegal employers is biggest contributor to the appearance of racism in the Republican campaign against illegal immigration.

If this is about obeying the law, why not jack up the penalties and enforcement on the wholesalers, the dealers in illegal labor, such as the slaughterhouses, housing contractors, farms, factories and restaurants that hire illegal workers?

The obvious reason Republicans are unwilling to make illegal employers a campaign issue is that they know it would be a swift and sure remedy, depriving them of a key campaign issue. Plus, too much of the economy is geared around the below-market-price labor illegal workers provide.
It makes far more moral, legal, economic and practical sense to target employers. If the punishment was swift and sure for hiring undocumented workers, there would very quickly cease to be a reason for illegal workers to come.
Sadly, Republicans refuse to make employers the focus because it benefits them more politically to appeal to the insecurities of white voters who pleased to blame another ethnic group for their problems.

Pagar

"Does the AP consider the truth to be secondary to helping their party, or do they not consider it at all?"

They do not consider it at all.

centralcal

Jane, there are a "fair amount" of hispanics are unemployed and in food lines here, because of lack of water - meaning lack of farm jobs. (I am, of course talking about the legal ones.) They want to be called Mexican and resent the hispanic label. Some have aligned themselves with the Tea Party movement in the area.

Of course, this is anecdotal and more localized. Many have joined with the Latino Water Coalition and are very anti the 2 Democrats they hold most responsible: Jim Costa and Devin Nunes (both of Azorean Portugese descent, not "hispanic"). They also feel betrayed by Diane Feinstein, who promises and promises, and always stabs them in the back.

Whoever gives them back the water to farm will probably get their vote. Right now they see the Democrats as taking their water and their livelihoods.

Jane

Centralcal,

That's fascinating. There are so many turf wars going on all over the country. I swear it won't be long until we hear words of secession.

In MA yesterday there was a bill that would prevent kajillions of dollars to be spent in MA for free health care, welfare, free tuition etc for people who could not prove citizenship. I was defeated.

boris

"It makes far more moral, legal, economic and practical sense to target employers"

Seems to me that to catch the scofflaw employers it is necessary to determine that their employees are not US citizens. So .... apparently it's okay for the state to check citizenship in order to target employers but not for enforcing immigration law.

WTF?

Captain Hate

Judging from the complete nonsense and pali fetishing that Phineas T Bluster spews, he must be a State Dept apparatchik.

Black Hat

I'm personally ambivalent about the AZ law. But I have a (black) Dominican contractor who comes to my office every Thursday who yesterday declared himself very much in support. He complained that his brother had to wait 11 years to come here and that it wasn't fair for others just to walk across the border and get to stay.

bio mom

"law requires law enforcement officers to question anyone they suspect is in the country illegally."

NO IT DOES NOT!! These falsehoods need to be strongl challenged. It simply extends the existing federal law to the state and local police authority.

Pofarmer

It's even worse than that, boris, essentially they are targeting employers for not enforcing U.S. immigration law. I don't know if this is begging the question, or what it is, but it's monumentally stupid and counterproductive-which, of course, is par for the left. "Sure, we can't enforce Federal law, so, let's make somebody else a lawbreaker, who just happens to be a U.S citizen, and, hey, contributes to the economy by hiring people. We'll charge them with discrimination if they check, and failing to force immigration poicy if they don't." There must be some kind of descriptive terminology for that kind of policy.

Clarice

I think the Dems thought they'd put on a show for the Hispanics by putting up a half hearted attempt at immigration reform , knowing it would lose and the Reps would be blamed. The Az law ignited the issue in a way the Dems hadn't planned on..and t will bite them in the rear end.

centralcal

Why is Obama send "SWAT teams" to the oil spill?

Yesterday on talk radio, a couple of callers said that if they were the conspiratorial sort, they might think that this oil rig explosion was deliberately caused.

"Coal mine disaster. Oil rig disaster. Next up natural gas disaster?" Asked one caller.

nathan hale

My default position, is he doesn't know what he's talking about, like tire gauges, limb amputating doctors, small countries like Iran,
yadda, yadda.

BB Key

They are not illegal immigrants .

They are undocumented democrats .

(hat tip to a instapundit)

Threadkiller

This is an older article; I saved it for this reason.

For those concerned about the "employers" needing to be the target. I would argue the IRS is the largest employer of illegal aliens.

Do you really think they refund anything to a person with a fraudulent SSN? They keep the cash and screw the employer who submitted papers with good faith.

Bryan

Rick Ballard

"who yesterday declared himself very much in support"

Black Hat,

Given the unemployment rate among blacks and Hispanics, it is rather unsurprising that they would support AZ style action. The "solidariety" envisioned by the Commie in Chief and the Marxist clique with which he surrounds himself is only theoretical. Tossing this immigration bait out is a sop to the brain dead liberal lack of intelligentsia and it's going to be reeled in rather quickly.

The Great Recession is hitting the <$50K segment (a rather huge segment) much harder than it's hitting the >$50K segment and there is no way the DemoMarxists are going to be able to "fix" that fact prior to November of '10 (probably not by Movember of '12, either).

nathan hale

I didn't even know about this decision, I know 1975, that was right around the time
of the civil war, sarc, in the LUN

Captain Hate

O/T: Trouble in ACLU paradise @ LUN

qrstuv

"If this is about obeying the law, why not jack up the penalties and enforcement on the wholesalers, the dealers in illegal labor, such as the slaughterhouses, housing contractors, farms, factories and restaurants that hire illegal workers?"

Works for me!

It *is* about obeying the law!

But it's unconscionable not to do some due diligence in maintaining our borders as well.

Janet

The crybabies are coming out everywhere. Drudge has up that it is gonna be hot in DC this weekend. Who cares? A hot weekend is news?
It is not really hot until your foot leaves an imprint in the asphalt at Walmart.
Crying about enforcing laws. Crying about hot weather. Crying about other people earning money. This "poor us" victim mentality is getting embarrassing.

Bill in AZ

Clarice (I think) linked this Byron York piece on AZ's immigration law.

Some key excerpts here for the poster who can't be bothered to search for information before pontificating. AZ has several immigration laws on the books, all of them being enforced at least by one sheriff with significant reduction in crime in Maricopa County.

The problem for Obama and Holder is that the people behind the new law have been through this before -- and won. Arizona is three-for-three in defending its immigration measures. In 2008, the state successfully defended its employer-sanctions law, which made it a state crime to knowingly employ an illegal immigrant. Facing some of the same groups that are now planning to challenge the new law, Arizona prevailed both in federal district court and at the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, the nation's most liberal federal appeals court.

In federal court in 2005, Arizona successfully defended Proposition 200, which required proof of citizenship for voting and also restricted benefits to illegals. And in 2006, officials won a state-court challenge to Arizona's human smuggling law.

The arguments that liberal groups make against the new law are similar to those made in the past. Foremost among them is the claim that only the federal government can handle immigration matters, and thus the Arizona measure pre-empts federal law.

Lawmakers thought of that ahead of time. "This law was carefully drafted to avoid any legal challenge on pre-emption in two ways," explains Kobach. "One, it perfectly mirrors federal law. Courts usually ask whether a state law is in conflict with federal law, and this law is in perfect harmony with federal law.

"Two, the new law requires local law enforcement officers not to make their own judgment about a person's immigration status but to rely on the federal government," Kobach continues. Any officer who reasonably suspects a person is illegal is required to check with federal Immigration and Customs Enforcement. "As long as the state or city is relying on the federal government to determine immigration status, that will protect against a pre-emption challenge," says Kobach.

But what if the Obama administration argues that the law is a burden on the federal government? Or refuses to assist Arizona in determining a person's legality? The drafters thought of that, too. There's a federal statute -- 8 USC 1373, passed during the Clinton years -- requiring the feds to verify a person's immigration status any time a state or local official asks for it. The federal government cannot deny assistance to Arizona without breaking the law itself.

bunkerbuster

boris opines: ``apparently it's okay for the state to check citizenship in order to target employers but not for enforcing immigration law.''

It's not a question of what's "ok" but of what works. It's certainly OK to arrest drug abusers as well as drug smugglers and dealers. But law enforcement generally does not target users and instead spends the lions share of resources on apprehending and convicting smugglers and dealers. The same could be said about all forms of crime: except immigration.

Often, drug users are offered leniency in return for testifying against their dealer. Why not use the same approach for immigration?
Arrest one illegal worker and offer to let him go if he testifies against the owner of the slaughterhouse that employs 200 illegals.
Do that once or twice in a given county, and make sure the convicted illegal employer does hard time, and the illegal worker population will vanish virtually overnight. Of course that would deprive Republicans of an ethnic minority to blame economic troubles on, and the party would not want that to happen.
As long as the border is porous, it's beyond silly to believe that any force can efficiently apprehend and effect the return of illegal workers. It's too costly and time consuming and far less effective than getting tough with the businesses that hire illegal workers.
The reason Republicans don't do this is obvious: the employers are typically respected middle-class whites with legal power to defend themselves and make life difficult for their harrassers, while the illegally workers are poor, defenseless Mexicans or Latin Americans.

Bill in AZ

I rest my case.

boris

"It's not a question of what's "ok" but of what works"

BS. You are pushing for one and demonizing the other ... calling it harrassment and using the nazi comparison. The obvious inconsticancy and double standard in your positions reveals your blatant anti-"respectable middle-class white" bias.

Pagar

I don't understand why we don't hear more about the way handles their illegals problem.

One person in the Link reports:
"“Having traveled into Mexico last year to various cities on the Baja Peninsula, a distance of more than 1,000 miles round-trip, we were stopped more than 20 times at various checkpoints."

That's a checkpoint every 50 miles. How can the American leftists ignore the opportunity to get down into Mexico and protest the checklpoints? If they really want the full experience, I'd suggest they get a pair of sneakers and infiltrate Mexico. See if anyone there cares!

boris

The bb solution to home invasions and burglary ... keep no valuables in your house ... it's beyond silly to believe that any force can efficiently apprehend and effect the return of your valuable possesions.

Rocco

Rep. Luis Gutierrez the Democrats' leading advocate for immigration reform, has said he voted for health care reform on the understanding that Obama and congressional Democrats would move a major immigration bill.

I think they call that a punk move in the barrio...cabron!

nathan hale

Or you could ask Cuban emigres, how they fare in Mexico, which is somewhat ironic, since they were in part in responsible for sending
Fidel back to Cuba,

Tom R

Rove (and Steele to a much lesser extent) is all about winning elections. I assume his comments about the Arizona law are based on how he thinks it will negatively impact the GOP in future federal and state elections.

The thing is, while Latinos may be socially conservative for religious reasons, much like black Christians they always vote Democrat. Blacks still vote Democrat despite years of seeing little to no improvement in their socio-economic status from Democrat policy.

Based on his comments, I can only assume that Rove believes there is still a chance Latinos can be convinced that it is in their best socio-economic interest to support GOP policies. Personally I don't see that happening any time soon myself.

Threadkiller

"the employers are typically respected middle-class whites"

I think you have watched too many Disney features. You use the 1st plot device as if you have rehearsed it. It is always the middle age white guy! But don't forget Disney also makes a habit of killing the mom. I can't wait to see how you interject that.

Did you knowhttp://www.wehirealiens.com/employer/index.asp?id=12437 "> Latino Americans hire illegals?

Bryan.


jimmyk

If Republicans weren't stupid they would propose an immigration bill that fast tracks LEGAL immigration.

I agree, though I suspect we're in a minority here. The best way to reduce illegal immigration is to allow more legal immigration. Nor do I buy the view that "they take our jobs." There isn't some fixed pool of jobs that's a zero sum game.

But I would require all new legal immigrants to be gainfully employed (or supported by someone who is) or they have to go back. Anyone caught breaking the law would also have to go back.

Pagar

". keep no valuables in your house"

Wouldn't a leftist think it was racist to keep thieves from have what you have?

Captain Hate

Rove (and Steele to a much lesser extent) is all about winning elections.

I agree with you on that; I just don't think he's very good at it (contrary to what most people here seem to believe). He reminds me of Carville in that he was very good at getting his guy elected as Pres (luckily running against a mentally-ill divinity school dropout and a gasbag cabana boy) while the party went to hell around him. As far as advice to Bush while in the White House, he was an utter failure on not demanding that Bush address the nation regularly on the situation on the GWOT. That was inexcusable and contributed to the crummy situation we find ourselves in today.

Clarice

I had to leave for a while nd before I did I notice some troll--probably dead bb--posted that the Nazis made Jews provide papers whenever they were stopped. I am not going to waste time scrolling to find the author, but I ask you to picture a Mel Brooks type scene:
:SS Man to passerby: Are you a Jew

Passerby: No, and I have no papers which proves that
SS man:Very good. You can go.

Everyone had to show papers. In fact, until the European Union most people carried their papers all the time..certainly in Eastern Europe where one was obligated to show them on demand of any officer.

abadman

I lived in Germany for a few years. We alyays carried our passports with us when we traveled. It was not unusual to be asked for them at borders and they always were at hotels.

Rob Crawford

I find it amusing that bunky read right past the statement I made last night of disgust for those that hire illegals. Almost as if, had he read that statement, it would have contradicted the preconceived ideas he has about people who want the laws enforced.

Captain Hate

Btw, does it seem like politics have gotten so chaotic under the jugeared goof that it gives you a headache just trying to keep up with it?

anduril

Here's a very worthwhile "big picture" look at the Goldman situation: Goldman: Still Greedy, No Longer Patient.

Re Immigration: I'm very much in favor of a national identity card.

Clarice

You used to have to leave your passports at the desk in most European hotels. The info would be copied and perhaps transmitted to the local police before the passports were returned.

Rick Ballard

OT -

A good piece on the shining future of solar in Spain.

Spain’s fixed-price system for renewable power, which attracted more investment in solar panels in 2008 than the rest of the world put together, boosts the state’s liabilities even though they don’t show up on its balance sheet.

That’s because the Spanish system delays payments by consumers for part of their electric bills for years. The government guarantees repayment to power suppliers such as Endesa SA and Gas Natural SDG SA. The cost of those unpaid bills rose last year by about 4 billion euros to 16 billion euros.

What a marvelous approach to bubble creation.

Investors began questioning the strength of Spanish assets as the shockwaves from Greece’s financial meltdown spill across Europe. The extra yield investors demand to hold Spanish 10-year government bonds reached 113 basis points this week, the widest spread in more than a year as the scale of the bail-out needed by Greece ballooned.

The legal dispute on Spanish solar rates turns on a reading of the 2007 law that governs renewable-power production. The government says it gives it the right to revise prices for existing plants this year. Executives say their prices are guaranteed for 25 years.

Oops. Silly investors thought a government promise was as good as gold when it was really only as good as Goldman.

nathan hale

Because it often doesn't compute, Captain, one feels like Harry Mudd's androids some times.

Goldman is running all these scams, from subprime to CCX to the financial deform bill

Clarice

Arizona scores another one. It bans the use of state funds for ethnic studies.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/30/arizona-legislature-passes-banning-ethnic-studies-programs/?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a4:g4:r3:c0.000000:b0:z5>Adios Ethnic Studies

anduril

''I don't want us to do something just for the sake of politics that doesn't solve the problem,'' Obama told reporters Wednesday night aboard Air Force One.

No, he wasn't talking about Obamacare.

Rob Crawford

Oh, and as someone pointed out at AoS: if you go to exercise your Constitutional right of keeping and bearing arms, you have to fill out a form made up of what would normally be "red siren" questions for the left: do you use drugs, are you a member of any group dedicated to the overthrow of the US government, have you ever been convicted, etc. Then you have to produce an acceptable form of government-issued ID. Then they send all that data to the feds, who use it to decide whether you still have that right or not.

But, apparently, doing the same thing when someone's arrested or cited for a traffic violation is tyrannical.

matt

If you haven't noticed, Obama's key legislative tactic is to create chaos and then ram what he wants through.

He, Reid, and Pelosi have their base fired up like Custer surrounded by Indians so while everyone is yelling and arguing, he comes in with his "reasonable" bill that "must be passed immediately or my presidency is a failure". This was Lenin's MO as well. Of course the Russians had a real with millions dead war on their hands and a civil war to deal with.

Rob Crawford

Arizona scores another one. It bans the use of state funds for ethnic studies.

Does that include the execrable "whiteness studies"?

nathan hale

If the election situation in Florida wasn't interesting enough, in the Chinese sense of the word, there's this character, in the LUN

matt

Rick;

feed in tariffs and government pressure are pretty much the only things driving mass adoption of PV, whether in Spain, Germany, or here. On a strict cost accounting basis, PV is not economical.

Modules are warranted for 25 years, but no one really knows what the lifetimes will be. Being a significant supplier of some of the materials used, I am very skeptical about anything beyond 25 years. 25 years of direct sunlight, combined with the exposure to the elements is going to degrade materials considerably.

Tarriffs are an artificial construct that, as the Spanish are now finding, are hugely expensive. Throw legislative caprice, and it will chill the industry even further.

Spain tested the limits of solar grid integration as well and found that 10-15% is about the maximum capacity due to both the volatility and instability of the power source.

There are more scams being perpetrated in the name of green energy than there were on Wall Street 5 years ago.

nathan hale

That "Obama as Joker" poster, from last spring, seems very apt, Matt

Clarice

Howie Carr details how the Mass legislators who voted against the cutoff of funds for illegal aliens are themselves tax cheats:

"What do you call it when so many Democratic lawmakers fight tooth and nail to make sure that illegal aliens can continue grabbing handouts from taxpayers?

Professional courtesy.

You may have heard, a lot of Democrats in the Legislature can’t be bothered paying taxes. If possible, the average solon has an even tougher time obeying the tax laws than he does the OUI statutes.


Suddenly, the Democrats are very concerned about the high cost of checking up on illegals - $6 per person. Free in-state tuition for everybody in the Third World - no problem! Six bucks per welfare application - ooooooh!

The House vote to crack down on illegals on welfare was much closer than before - 82-75. A lot of Democrats can hear the footsteps - taxpayers’ footsteps."

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1251192

MarkJ

Here's my cunning plan to deal with "immigration reform" and pretty much any other Democrat initiative this year:

http://www.beer-street.co.uk/images/nuke_it_from_orbit.jpg

Jane

Btw, does it seem like politics have gotten so chaotic under the jugeared goof that it gives you a headache just trying to keep up with it?

What Matt said. It's on purpose.

Clarice

I think it must be, Jane. Normal people don't want to spend every day with their hair on fire and start to tune out to stay sane.

Rick Ballard

I believe that OL identified the "swarm of idiocy" tactic very early on. I still can't come up with an answer to his question as to why the Republicans in the Senate dropped the "just say no" response to the financial reform package. I'm hoping that it's not foreknowledge of the curtain going up on Act II of the financial crisis.

Perhaps the timing of Team BOzo's lynching of the Clinton's favorite investment banker (which is proceeding apace) was just a tad off?

hit and run

Clarice:
Normal people don't want to spend every day with their hair on fire and start to tune out to stay sane.

Joke's on you. And everyone else who still has a full head of hair.

Anyone up for a little video fun with Obama's "I do think at a certain point you've made enough money"?

http://thevimh.blogspot.com/2010/04/i-do-think-at-certain-point-youve-made.html>OK

h/t: Clarice's mention of Oprah in the context of Obama's quote yesterday sent me down this road,though she does not make an appearance. Oprah,not Clarice,doesn't make an appearance,I mean. Well,Clarice doesn't make an appearance either,but you know what I'm getting at. Roll tape.

Clarice

Can't wait to see it, Hit.
why not send it to AT?
Here's a refutation to Beck's claims about the Puerto Rican vote from a Congressman who voted for the bill.
http://radiopatriot.wordpress.com/2010/04/30/my-congressional-rep-tells-why-he-voted-yes-on-puerto-rico/>I put my money on Cantor over Beck in the brains dept

JM Hanes

bunkerbuster:

Since you've moved over here, I'll crosspost from the last thread:

"I would agree that there is an element of identity liberalism that reduces the thorny issue of economic migration down to a question of racism. But that certainly doesn't reflect mainstream liberalism, nor, certainly, my views on the matter."

Wow. You sure had me fooled.

"Focusing on employers makes moral, legal, economic and law enforcement sense. The only reason not to is political and, typically, racist..."

When have you ever approached an issue here as an honest difference of opinion?

Clarice

Just one day ,folks, for us all to make our "All immigration laws are RACIST" signs.
Or should we do
"Sovereignty, it's not for US anymore"

or

"Why stop redistribution on National Borders? That's so yesterday."


Hit, I'll send in you video to AT. It's so good.

Old Lurker

Hi guys...sorry have not had time to read the threads, but i did read one thing in WaPo and heard another on Rush that sound like great news.

WaPo reports the feds are proposing that "black boxes" be installed in all cars so the feds can retrieve all sorts of data regarding how we use our cars. Among other things, imagine the fun lawyers will have with assigning blame in accidents. Wait till your auto policy excludes payment for accidents caused by speeding...

Rush read from the Fin Bill the provision that gives Treasury the right to track ATM activity by individual in real time. What could possibly go wrong with that?

That's my good news for the day...

Clarice

It's beautiful here, OL. We both should back away from all these bad news and enjoy it. Smooches

JM Hanes

hit:

Love the video -- a perfect, short & sweet Ode to Hypocrisy! Send it to Insty too.

Watch out whenever you hear the emblematic lefty qualifier [emphasis mine]:

We're not trying to push financial reform, because we begrudge success that's fairly earned.

There's not much ambiguity about success that is freely earned, but fairly? That's a different story -- which, of course, requires a determination by your friendly federal regulator.

Ditto for equal pay, which the left has reinvented as equitable pay. More ambiguity requiring assessment from Big Bro.

Those two top the list of insidious substitutions, but they're habit forming. Job creation morphs into salvation. Subsidies are investments. Government control is partnering....

nathan hale

Rush has reminded that town hall attendees had to show proof of residency in thedistrict,
that Joe 'the Plumber' had his papers rifled
through for talking points, and other instances

Captain Hate

Hit, that video is outstanding. Btw, am I the only person that wishes Preznit EasyBake would stop looking like such a slob and wear a tie?

Jane

Sheesh Clarice, and I wanted to steal that video for You Too! Harrumph!

Clarice

I don't know if AT is running it..and why not make the video go viral, Jane?

Jane

Does that mean I can have it at You Too too?
(pretty please Hit)

Jane

WaPo reports the feds are proposing that "black boxes" be installed in all cars so the feds can retrieve all sorts of data regarding how we use our cars. Among other things, imagine the fun lawyers will have with assigning blame in accidents. Wait till your auto policy excludes payment for accidents caused by speeding...

Oh don't worry OL - there is a carve out exception for illegals.

hit and run

Take it Jane,please! I'd post it there myself,but I have no recollection of how.

jimmyk

WaPo reports the feds are proposing that "black boxes" be installed in all cars so the feds can retrieve all sorts of data regarding how we use our cars.

And now, the Democrats who claim to be so up in arms about the Arizona law, are proposing a biometric national ID card.

Clarice

See, TM's latest post, jimmy.

Jane

Thanks Hit,

Now I have to figure out how to post it.

jimmyk

See, TM's latest post, jimmy.

So much for my scoop of the week.

Clarice

Remember in those old movies when Mickey Roonery would say to Judy Garland, "Let's put on a show"?


ATLANTA (AP) - Federal agents say they have arrested 596 immigrants with criminal records during a three-day immigration enforcement sweep across the Southeast.
U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials said Friday that the operation, dubbed Operation Cross Check, was the largest ever conducted by the agency targeting foreign nationals convicted of crimes. They said the immigrants have already served their sentences and authorities will now seek to deport them.

Atlanta ICE Field Director Felicia Skinner says that "communities around the Southeast are safer than they were before" as a result. She said three of the people arrested this week had been convicted of murder and 144 were convicted on assault charges.

Pagar

Convicted of murder and have served their sentence-how long was the sentence?

Somehow I had the apparently naive idea that criminals were in the US illegally were supposed to be deported automatically after their sentence was complete. If so there would be no need to go round them up?

bunkerbuster

``You used to have to leave your passports at the desk in most European hotels. The info would be copied and perhaps transmitted to the local police before the passports were returned.''

lol...Conservatives have no problem imitating European-style big government, as long as the traditionally powerless get the short end of it. The "omg it's European'' mantra turns out to be just as hypocritical as other wingnut memes...

Frau  Personalausweis

lol? Did anyone suggest copying the Euros? I believe there was a call to follow laws now in place. Btw in Europe *everyone* --NOT just the "traditionally powerless"-- has to carry ID and in Germany *everyone* is required to register his/her residence with the police and again if changing a residence.
At present, Mr.bb, legal aliens are required by federal law to present proof of legal residence if asked. At present, passengers boarding an airplane must show picture ID. Has the ACLU been protesting for the traditionally powerless who have been denied air travel? If I am mistaken, I welcome correction if given courteously.

Oh, "wingnut" can mean right or left. It helps to be specific.

Clarice

As Mark Steyn notes, Franklin Roosevelt signed into law a provision still in place requiring all non citizens to carry their immigration status papers with them at all times. He's a resident alien and NEVER leaves home without his papers.

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