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Danube of Thought

Remember a few weeks back when your friendly Danube recommended everyone Google "oil evaporation?"

Minus 16 at Raz today.

Neo

Just when you though you heard every possible spin ...

July 15 (Bloomberg) -- The worst oil spill in U.S. history was triggered by firefighting boats that flooded the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig with water, causing it to sink into the Gulf of Mexico and damage BP Plc’s well, a lawsuit claims.
...
“It was the flooding of the Deepwater Horizon and the resulting sinking of the rig that directly caused the piping to break and begin spewing millions of gallons of oil into the ocean,” Lloyd Frischhertz and Gerald Maples, lawyers for the spill victims, said in a complaint filed in federal court in New Orleans.

Captain Hate

"anti-environmentalist" == doesn't agree with economy-killing, ineffective, feel-good policies.

Orwell anticipated all of this although I don't think he adequately allowed for just how uncritically libs swallow this garbage. I'm wondering if the country can survive such a dumbed-down population.

narciso the harpoon

Time for that "Billy Madison" quote, you can't make this up, is this Lionel Hutz

BB Key

Thanks NEO

I was looking for the link to The Center for Public Integrity on the firefighting topic which IMO is the untold story....

hit and run

DoT:
Minus 16 at Raz today.

No number crunching analysis from me today. But I will say that since it is the third Thursday after a Monday-celebrated holiday,my Ras models predicted this.

I will tell you what my models predict for tomorrow's number just after their release.

MayBee

Tony Hayward said the same thing- that the Gulf was huge and the amount of oil was comparatively tiny.
For some reason, he was the enemy and that was a horrible thing to say. Then he went yachting with his son, which was way worse than Obama singing along with Paul McCartney.

Anyway, it seems he, too, had a point. I wonder if he paid all the taxes on his yacht.

rse

When people were fretting so about hurricanes and the oil spill in June, I would tell the story of Frederick and how its rainfall cleansed most of the Texas' coast after the Ixtoc spill.

I'd get these stares of amazement in return.

Same thing when you tried to explain this was light, sweet crude that some see as tasty.

Plus that ocean is warmer than in years.

Wish the June grass would go the way of the oil.

centralcal

I see that Sherrod has announced she is going to sue Breitbart. Does she have a case?

Ranger

I see that Sherrod has announced she is going to sue Breitbart. Does she have a case?

Posted by: centralcal | July 29, 2010 at 12:06 PM

My guess is that the White House presures her to drop the case before discovery begins.

Porchlight

Cap and trade does not appear to be happening, so they are now free to push the "no big deal" spin.

That said, I was hoping this would be the case. I'm worried about the Gulf coast tourist and fishing economy more than anything else (after cap and trade). Let's get the orange jumpsuit guys off the beaches, since they have little to do and seem to be mostly driving beachgoers away at this point.

daddy

Watched Anderson Cooper yesterday on CNN International.

He was again on his anti BP smear tirade, but one guest made it very clear the damage is apparently much less severe than has been hyped, at which point Cooper then shifted to questions of how calamitous this us, because if people start believing that it is not as bad (as he apparently has reported and hopes it is) then people will start discounting the press, and the requisite solutions to the Oil Spill catastrophe may not be implemented in Congress and on the ground etc.

So that was Anderson's focus---not the spill itself, but how to combat actual observations of the disappearing Oil Slick's disappearance, which are beginning to lead to ordinary citizen's calling Bulls#$t on CNN and Administration pronouncements about the enormity of this tragedy, thus hampering Media credibility and trust in Big Government in the future. That was the disingenuous weasels focus yesterday.

But this is not about Anderson Cooper.

narciso the harpoon

I was watching Psyche, daddy which is more real than Anderson Vanderbilt 135

A. Sullivan

That Anderson Cooper sure looks dreamy in a flak jacket, don't you think?

So intrepid, brave and...sweaty.

Dave (in MA)

But then Jughead went on The View and acted stupidly, so the Opocalypse has been postponed.

Appalled

centralcal:

For Sherrod to have a case, she would have to prove "reckless disregard of the truth" on Breitbart's part that is activated by malice. She would also want to argue that she was, at the time Breitbart uploaded the video, not a public figure.

Frankly, it is real hard to win a libel suit. Sherrod would likely try these kind of arguments:

1. Breitbart's stated determination to prove racism on the part of the NAACP (in order to hit them for their 'tea party is racist' resolution) is demonstration of malice on Breibart's part.

2. Breibart, had he any prudence, would not have run with a tape like this, knowing that the tape had been edited by his source. But he was activated by his malice to run the edited tape.

Does she win? I doubt it. Does she get past summary judgement (meaning Breitbart will have to spend a lot of time on this suit)? I would not be surprised.

Rich Berger

Since when is it malicious to bring facts to light?

Ignatz

--Remember a few weeks back when your friendly Danube recommended everyone Google "oil evaporation?"--

I believe that was about the same time when the kind and beneficent Ignatz was linking to stories on how little effect Ixtoc had had on it's area of impact.

boris

"stated determination to prove racism"

Seems overdone. ... stated intent to demonstrate racism ... would be less hyperbolic IMO (and true).

Melinda Romanoff

Yer gonna bust an arm pattin' yerself on the back there.

But I do remember Ixtoc, not knowing much about it, until then.

So, Thank you, and pat away.

Pofarmer

"I see that Sherrod has announced she is going to sue Breitbart. Does she have a case?"

Sooooo, someone posting you actually saying something is a sueable offense? Why doesn't she sue USDA, who, apparently, released her without cause?

Ignatz

--1. Breitbart's stated determination to prove racism on the part of the NAACP (in order to hit them for their 'tea party is racist' resolution) is demonstration of malice on Breibart's part.--

Unfortunately if that argument succeeded it would seemingly demonstrate malice toward the NAACP not.
She first has to demonstrate something he said was demonstrably false as a matter of fact and not merely his opinion. Good luck with that Shirley.

jag

Can anyone imagine headlines like these emerging almost immediately after ANY oil related debacle occurring under a Republican administration?

Hate to be a cynic but one has to wonder how true these claims of lesser damage are in light of the media's relentless support of all things Obama does (or doesn't do).

I hope the damage is as little as possible. However, I can't imagine a "new narrative" like this emerging at all (much less so swiftly) had Bush presided over such an event.

NK

Sherrod: Ranger's got it right and Appalled kind of backwards--

Andrew Breitbart prays that the case proceeds to discovery. in discovery Sherrod would have to give depositions outlining her opinions about race AND reveal all her discussions with BHO administration types that led to her resigning. That discovery would show that the edited tape fairly represented her opinions and that her own words led to her being forced to resign. she wasn't libeled by AB, much less maliciously. In the meantime, BHO has to suffer the fact that discovery will prove this women is a race obsessed kook. His his Administration is full of them and shoves them out the door when an appointee's left-wing radicalism is exposed (see Rev. Wright and Van Jones). Not a good deal for BHO. The case settles quickly with a feel good acknowledgement from AB that he failed to advise the public that the tape was not complete, and by Sherrod that AB did not act maliciously.

Jeff

Appalled ...

in this case there has not been any lies. Brietbart didn't put any words in her mouth, he let her speak for herself. His original video contained her change of heart so it was NOT out of context.

she of course was a public official at the time of the speech and when the video was released.

Brietbart being determined to show the NAACP as racist is only malice if you agree with the NAACP. In a court of law the desire to find proof of something does not imply malice. If you manufacture something out of whole cloth as your proof then that action shows malice but that is not what happened here.

Ignatz

Oops. **toward the NAACP, not Mrs. Sherrod**

--Yer gonna bust an arm pattin' yerself on the back there.--

Nah, mel. It's a regular exercise so I'm pretty limber in that particular motion. :)

matt

5,000 barrels/day for 100 days is still half a million barrels, or twice the size of the Exxon Valdez.

Depending upon the makeup, much of it could have sunk to the bottom of the Gulf already. The dead zone at the mouth of the Mississippi is huge, and if it is there that may actually be the best place for it to have ended up.

Regardless, most of it is out there somewhere.

Marko

"Anti-environmentalist" is a slur designed to make people look bad, until one translates it into proper english where it changes to "Anti-lying commie thugs.

daddy

Well lets not forget that Sharod said in that Anderson Cooper CNN Interview, that "Breitbart was vicious" and "a racist", and that she wanted" Breitbart to prove to her that he wasn't a racist".

Does that sort of stuff count in his favor?

If not, can we please move the trial to Girdwood, Alaska?

Remember how Ted Steven's couldn't get a fair trial in Alaska so the Judge moved it to DC for fairness. Well I don't think Shirley and Breitbart can get a fair trial in DC so let's do it up here in bear country. Heck, Ted Steven's would probably even rent out his Mansion err A frame shack that he got convicted for to the visiting Press, and then they could describe how palatial it is and what a lap of luxury it is. That'd be fitting.

narciso the harpoon

they switch memes so effortlessly, matt, they've developed triplethink, it's horrible, but it's harmless, makes me want to reach for
Excedrin

Appalled

Ignatz:

The lawyer would argue that the malice extends to the speaker. The whole malice thing is what makes this hard to simply dismiss.

glasater

The whole malice thing is what makes this hard to simply dismiss

Evidently your mind reading skillz have improved a bunch in recent days.

Clarice

And the damage to Shirley was what? A forced 24 hour resignation by a WH which saw the same tape Breitbart did?

Appalled

glasater:

...And your reading skills have taken a nose-dive. I'm basing "malice" on Breitbart's stated objective to demonstrate racism at the NAACP.

boris

And since when does the desire to expose rank hypocrisy = "malice"?

She called him a racist.

Hasn't she libeled Breitbart?
===============

Rob Crawford

"anti-environmentalist" == doesn't agree with economy-killing, ineffective, feel-good policies.

More like "anti-environmentalist" == "heretic".

Porchlight

I'm basing "malice" on Breitbart's stated objective to demonstrate racism at the NAACP.

But his stated objective was not to get Sherrod fired. The WH was trigger happy; that's not Breitbart's responsibility.

Beyond that, a bigger question: can anyone who gets fired as a result of an act of journalism sue the journalist?

narciso the harpoon

Just like Beck's goal wasn't to fire Van Jones, he had some questions about how and why
the vetting for him, went. The clip was about
the audience reaction

Appalled

clarice:

You have a point and one that makes it less likely this will go anywhere. However, I'm sure a lawyer will come up with all that "emotional distress" stuff to cover that part of the case.

Rob Crawford

The whole malice thing is what makes this hard to simply dismiss

Malice is immaterial when the statement is factual.

Appalled

Porchlight:

Sure they can. If I said that you were a convicted embezzler, and you were fired from your accounting job as a result, you could certainly sue.

narcisco:

I don't think that argument is quite enough.

Jane

Does she have a case?

Not against Breitbart but clearly against the USDA - unless she is precluded by her last lawsuit.

And I'm with the people who can't wait for the discovery. Can I do it?

Rob Crawford

We know the left wants Breitbart punished for exposing the NAACP's racism, but Sherrod's grasping at straws here. She has no case; if anything, Breitbart has a stronger case against HER for the comment she made about him wanting a return to slavery.

MarkO

OT, sort of, but it does seem apocalyptic.

I am distressed by the glee evidenced in parts of Arizona but also in the DOJ and the White House over the fact that a Federal judge has just make it possible to violate Federal law with total impunity.

I suggest that Arizona make every attempt to track the increase in illegals following the ruling.

Appalled

Rob Crawford:

But the editing, arguably made it seem Shirley was saying something different than what she said.

Rob Crawford

Sure they can. If I said that you were a convicted embezzler, and you were fired from your accounting job as a result, you could certainly sue.

You can sue for anything -- I know people who were sued because they complained about poor service from a pet supply store. But the only way you'd win is if the statement was false and you knew it was false.

Breitbart made no false statement; his intent is immaterial.

boris

If Appalled played a tape of someone admitting embezzling, then later repaying the funds, and the person then gets fired ... Appalled could certainly get sued, but not for that.

narciso the harpoon

From what Breitbart saw, remember he wasn't there, it indicate that Sherrod at the very least practiced 'benign neglect' it was only
after the attorney screwed up, that she came
to help him. AS for Spooner's statement, he knows what happens to those who criticize
Obama initiatives or personnel

Rick Ballard

If the race hustler picks her venue and draws a lib judge then AB has a problem. Don't forget that she's been suing her way to success for many years. Like any long lived parasite, she knows her way around.

Jane

BTW what was the Rangel deal?

Cecil Turner

I recall a lot of talk that comparisons to the Valdez made no sense because Prince William Sound is so much colder, but still.

I dimly recall government models and assessments suggesting precisely the same thing . . . and being loudly derided by the excitable types. Is it now received wisdom that the overreaction was just that? And if so, how can this be "surprising" or "unexpected"?

Since when is it malicious to bring facts to light?

Exactly. This is hilarious. When will the President and Sherrod twig to the fact that this whole race-baiting incident does not make them look good?

Rob Crawford

But the editing, arguably made it seem Shirley was saying something different than what she said.

No, it didn't. Go and read the original posting Breitbart made with the video -- he even mentions that she told a story of changing her mind about race.

You really do buy into the conventional wisdom on these things, don't you?

Rob Crawford

I dimly recall government models and assessments suggesting precisely the same thing . . . and being loudly derided by the excitable types.

The excitable types were predicting the end of all life in the Atlantic.

Cecil Turner

But the editing, arguably made it seem Shirley was saying something different than what she said.

Check me if I'm wrong, but the only "editing" was failing to include the later self-justifying realization that it was all about class warfare instead of only race.

If this is the new standard, the NYTimes is going out of business (starting with MoDo).

Captain Hate

Am I the only person that thinks discovery will be a treasure trove for Breitbart's future reports? And that Sherrod has unwittingly made the stupidest move possible?

centralcal

Excerpt. Was the excerpt edited?

narciso the harpoon

There was even one fellow here, maybe a troll, or he was sincere that predicted the same thing. It was a disaster, and it has caused damaged, but it's not Ragnarok

Boatbuilder

"Malice" in the libel context does not mean animosity-the 1st Amendment protects even (or even especially) speech which is motivated by extreme animosity (right, Captain H?). Malice in the context of libel of a public figure means publication with knowledge that the statement was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not. I don't see how anything Breitbart said, did or published (her own statements "out of context?") could possibly meet that standard.

Rob Crawford

Excerpt. Was the excerpt edited?

As I recall, no. You could play the "whole" tape (which has a gap at one point) and the excerpt side-by-side to show the excerpt was otherwise unmodified.

And since Breitbart ONLY had the excerpt, he's not responsible for the editing.

(Also, the NAACP threw her under the bus when the "whole" tape in their possession!)

centralcal

From Michelle Malkin regarding Wrangle:

"Update 1:30pm Eastern: Tick, tick, tick. Hearing is 30 minutes overdue. Wrangle, tangle, wheel & deal…

A Hill source says the Democrats called an hour-long series of votes to give him time to accept the deal."

I have the FNC livestream up, but it is only photogs milling around.

glasater

If the race hustler picks her venue and draws a lib judge then AB has a problem. Don't forget that she's been suing her way to success for many years. Like any long lived parasite, she knows her way around.

Rick Ballard--as usual a very good point.

centralcal

Ah yes, long lived parasites. There are so many of them. Like Charlie Rangle . . .

Ignatz

--The lawyer would argue that the malice extends to the speaker.--

Which is why I said "seemingly".

--The whole malice thing is what makes this hard to simply dismiss.--

As Rob points out, unless he said something demonstrably false, rather than an opinion, malice is irrelevant in the case of libel.
If she is suing for the intentional inflicition of emotional distress then she has different, probably even tougher, standards to meet.

Unless she has already filed, I'm still doubtful she'll sue. Going after an individual, probably not inclined to settle, with your own money is somewhat different than some class action gravy train against a gubmint agency just itching to assuage its guilt at the taxpayer's expense.

Rich Berger

But anyway, it looks like Rush was right in keeping this disaster in perspective. And given Barry's casual treatment of it, he also knew it was not a BFD.

glasater

he also knew it was not a BFD

Yes but....Zero was more than willing to use the situation to call a moratorium on deep water drilling.

Jane

"Tentative deal".

Jane

Why would any republican want a deal that doesn't include expulsion?

Rob Crawford

Why would any republican want a deal that doesn't include expulsion?

1) They're not the ones running Congress.

2) Career politicians do not punish each other severely.

Jane

There are equal members of repubs and dems on the ethics committee and you can't get a deal without one repub agreeing.

So I think your #2 carries the day Rob. What a bunch of elitist prigs.

Rich Berger

glasater-

Thanks for the reminder. BO knew that it was a nonwastable crisis and put his neckboots on ASAP.

Dave (in MA)

Jane: s/g/ck/

cathyf

Hey, hit, I want to congratulate you on your statistical analysis of Raz numbers. You are, of course, familiar with the concept of drunkard's walk?

centralcal

Don't forget Rangel has 40 years of knowing where some skeletons are buried for some others, too.

Rob Crawford

Is McCain or Graham on the "ethics" committee? I'd imagine McCain would love it there -- posing to show how white his toga is...

(Heard an interesting story the other day. Apparently, togas were bleached with sulfur and quicklime, so every once in a while, when a ship full of white togas would take on a little water, the quicklime would react and the whole load would burst into unquenchable flames.)

DebinNC

I don't get how showing an extended except of a longer speech is considered editing. AB didn't cobble together disconnected snippets of Sherrod and present it as her views. If this is defamation, I guess Obama won't have to worry in 2012 about his "no tax increase for those under $250k" or his "if you like your health insurance, you can keep it" showing up in ads ...unless the ads include the entirety of his speeches.

rse

The big deal is the economic damage created by the largely misleading press reports.

It's a tragedy how families in Atlanta or Birmingham were led by their local news to believe they needed to head to SC this year.

The funny part is being on the Boardwalk on a Sunday morning after Saturday check-ins and hear some child gasp and point-"Mom, is that oil?"

"No-just seaweed."

And down they run.

narciso the harpoon

The House Republicans are more likely to have lapis lazuli or other dyes on their togas

Jane

No deal with Rangel, and the hearing is on.

Dave - translation please!

Rob Crawford

I don't get how showing an extended except of a longer speech is considered editing. AB didn't cobble together disconnected snippets of Sherrod and present it as her views.

Contrast with what was done to Charlton Heston by Michael Moore: Moore took clips from two different speeches, given months apart, and put them together to have Heston saying something he never said.

peter

When Rush refers to the NAACP, he adds an "L;" anyone know what the "L" stands for?

Rob Crawford

Dave - translation please!

s/M/N -- means "replace the pattern M with the pattern N". In this case, replace 'g' with 'ck'.

Ignatz

L stands for liberal, peter.

boris

"Edit" is being used in a non standard way to apparently create the impression that something in the excerpt is untrue ... when the supposed inaccuracy is just that the unmodified clip is too long on self incrimination and a bit short on redemption.

The clip leaves the casual viewer thinking the victim of her racially disparate assistance was treated unfairly ... when that was only a temporary unofficial condition partially remedied later. Horrors!

Jane


13 allegations:

"The very credibility of the house itself is at stake" (I'm pretty sure that's toast)

"Rangel had the opportunity to make a deal in the negotiation phase, we are now in the trial phase."

Took 50 depositions including Rangel.


centralcal

13 counts of ethics violations just read at the hearing.

Jane

anyone know what the "L" stands for?

I think it means leftwing/moonbat/liberal/lunatic

Jane

Gawd they are tripping over themselves on this committee to make themselves look good and not be too mean to Charlie.

Pagar

If anyone is familiar with CREW-(the Melanie Sloan group)gonefrom Rangel and have found a Republican they can expose. Which is one of the problems of Washington, DC, everyone can always claim the others do it too.

Also, they are looking for a Research Director, I would think JOM has some very capable people that could do that.

fdcol63

It's probably already been said upthread (I'm too lazy to confirm), but stories like this in the MSM have one primary goal:

To minimize the negative impact caused by Obama's bungling.

We all know that if Bush or another Republican were in office, they'd be showing wall-to-wall coverage of the tar bars on Gulf beaches or the marshes and bayous and Louisiana.

Neo

Cap and trade does not appear to be happening, so they are now free to push the "no big deal" spin.

Even though, reconciliation dies with the beginning of FY 2011, I still have the uneasy feeling that the Dems will try something during a lame duck session.

Captain Hate

13 allegations:

"The very credibility of the house itself is at stake" (I'm pretty sure that's toast)

11% approval rating < # of allegations. Most ethical Congress evahhh.

Ignatz

OT and hopefully no one will go off on it, but didn't want to let Jack Tatum's passing at 61 go unnoted.

centralcal

Well, Jane - they are trying to make themselves look good for numerous reasons. In the introductory remarks it was noted with emphasis that there is only 11% approval of Congress among the public.

Captain Hate

RIP to the Assassin; a player who would give Roger Goodell a perpetual pantsload as he heads up the WNFL.

narciso the harpoon

I think they are still grading on a curve, they passed Obamacare, Sutton/Dillinger (Dodd/Frank) the stimulus, it's like pouring
sofa in your gas tank, to prove it can be done

Chubby

((MayBee: Tony Hayward said the same thing- that the Gulf was huge and the amount of oil was comparatively tiny. ))

Months and months ago I read somewhere (can't remember whhere) that even if the oil kept gushing for years, it would have amounted to a tablespoon of oil dropped into an Olympic size swimming pool.

Dave (in MA)

Thanks Rob, I figured everybody knew sed.

RichatUF

sorry to go way off topic, but I've got a favor to ask.

For any people that live in Northern Virginia and the Capital Beltway, I would like to request some help moving the contents of a shipping container into a storage shed (it is the contents of a 3 bedroom house). For details (I'm still in the planning stage, but it has to be done after the 31st before the 7th and the 4th is probably out for other reasons) please email me at: richatuf1 (at) yahoo (dot) com

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

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