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August 21, 2010

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Buford Gooch

Those who already know he espouses Islam's total conquest of the world, will be unsurprised, while those who think he is a preacher man of peace and togetherness will be unimpressed.

Kappen

I'm not crossing my fingers for any of this.

narciso

Well TM, Emerson doesn't edit, then again if it is in Arabic, one needs a decent translator, one recalls Fisk complaining
that Maronites translated the 9/11 hijackers final statements,I know it's "Wrongway Robert" but you know

Captain Hate

Speaking directly, the guy's a terrorist symp and there's already enough evidence confirming that; and all the troll denials don't change that.

Captain Hate

Johnny Rotten weighs in on why the punks rule and codgers like Carlos Santana, douches like the Pixies and twats like Elvis Costello should've, like the Who, died before they got old.

I really resent the presumption that I'm going there (Israel) to play to right-wing Nazi jews [sic]. If Elvis-f-ing-Costello wants to pull out of a gig in Israel because he's suddenly got this compassion for Palestinians, then good on him. But I have absolutely one rule, right? Until I see an Arab country, a Muslim country, with a democracy, I won't understand how anyone can have a problem with how they're treated.
Danube of Thought

I find all of this quite confusing.

Clarice

Bret Stephens wa apparently on target.
Surprise.

narciso

Joe Strummer, was more on point then we knew
back then

daleyrocks

I doubt the verification of what Rauf says is what is time consuming, as opposed to the verification of venue, sponsoring organization, audience, etc., etc.

daleyrocks

I mean, all those jihadis look alike to me, no bigotry intended. Go ahead, investigate away!

Captain Hate

narc, weren't the members of The Clash all conned by the Sandinistas?

PD

OT: Waters dismisses evidence in ethics case as 'staff chatter':

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-Calif.) on Friday brushed aside a key piece of evidence in the ethics case against her as "staff chatter."

Waters continued her public defense in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America," maintaining her innocence and accusing ethics investigators of doing "sloppy work."

I'm with Maxine. Everyone knows you can't believe the little people. Stick with the truly trustworthy members of Congress if you want the truth.

MarkO

I don't care if this idiot is Mr. Rogers. The building of a mosque in that area is dangerous. It will become a center of demonstations, fights, violence and other acts against the general welfare of NYC. The evidence of that certainty is already in. Investigate the hell out of everyone and the salient facts will not change.

Captain Hate

If there's one thing Gasoline Maxine's an expert on it's sloppy work. This charm offensive via the media means that Reginald Denny should probably examine some alternate routes if he's still driving a truck when the verdict comes down.

maryrose

Waters was a huge supporter of Clinton during impeachment. I knew then she would have a permanent position in the House to reward her backing of that abhorrent behavior by our former prez who has been completely rehabilitated by the Left and their chronic case of amnesia.

PD

CH, how, O how, can you say that? Maxine assured us there is no problem with Fannie. I'm certain that she arrived at this conclusion only though painstaking and assiduous research into the matter. She'd never say any such thing merely for partisan political reasons. Sloppy! Pshaw.

And Barney told us the same thing, which cements the case.

MarkO

How long until the first fight?

The NY Post notes that worshipers are already in the building. Facing east.

I would post a link if I had the first idea of how to do it. I can't even work the damned HTML tags. I write with a fountain pen, so there.

PD

I write with a fountain pen

A what?

Sandy Daze

21 August 2010
Culver, IN

Am a little late to the recent discussions on the mosque due to travel; a small bit of personal history and thought follows.

In 2002 I lived in el Obied, Sudan (roughly south-central) as part of an international peace monitoring effort in the Nuba Mountains.

El Obied is either the second or third larges city in Sudan after Khartoum. The Catholic Church in El Obied is beautiful and was built by the Comboni Order, in 1961.

In the 1990s immediately across the street from this Church, Saudi money funded the building of a mosque. My interpreter/translator told me how all the residents knew that the mosque was placed specifically in that position as a counter to, of course, the Church. The mosque was known as the “Church Mosque” because everyone knew of the Church there well before.

And, oh yes, lest there be any doubt, the mosque minarets were just that much taller than the Church bell steeple. The significance of what the Saudis were declaring was not lost on anyone.

As to the mosque at Ground Zero, there can be no doubt that this is an effort to claim supremacy over that land. It must be stopped. If completed what they will be saying is, “Islamic warriors destroyed the World Trade Center ‘temple’ of your capitalism. We have built our ‘temple’ (a mosque) on top of those ashes. We are stronger than you. Submit.” Or as Osama Been Laden said in December 2003, “What are we calling you to? We are calling you to complete submission to his will, complete submission to Sharia Law.” This is no different than the Temple Mount.

We may not be waging a religious war; but that they are, there can be no doubt.

Take good care,
Sandy

Danube of Thought

While we're on the subject of Johnny Rotten, might as well drag this in from left field.

Ignatz

--The building of a mosque in that area is dangerous. It will become a center of demonstations, fights, violence and other acts against the general welfare of NYC.--

Precisely Mark.
The reason the mosque should not have been permitted (in either sense of the word) is public safety.

PD

Joblessness you can applaud.

MarkO

If that was in left field, where is the park?

Buck Smith

"They have had these tapes for a month - how long does it take"

Maybe they were waiting for Mosque supporters to commit themselves more deeply to the project. If the claims are true it will be hard on Pelosi, Obama and the Dems.

Ignatz

--Johnny Rotten weighs in on why the punks rule and codgers like Carlos Santana, douches like the Pixies and twats like Elvis Costello should've, like the Who, died before they got old.--

I've always found it kind of amusing that "Never Mind the Bollocks", featuring songs such as Anarchy in the UK and God Save the Queen (the fascist regime) but also with anti abortion, anti gay activist and anti union-controlled social democratic Europe (comparing it with east germany), presented a world view vastly more sensible than and well to the right of the Democratic Party platform.

Extraneus

They're already praying in the Cordoba House.

Services at the Park Place building are held four times a day, between 1 p.m. and 10 p.m.

A TIME TO PRAY: Muslim men face Mecca at Friday prayers yesterday inside 45-51 Park Place, site of the proposed Islamic center.

Extraneus
Outside on the sidewalk, protesters and supporters divided by metal barriers held signs and shouted at one another as police officers kept an eye on them.
Extraneus

Ooops, didn't see your comment there, MarkO. Glad I could help with the link.

Captain Hate

Those are the moderate muslims in that pic, I assume. I'm glad the jugeared prick has brought us all together with his Presidential demeanour; God/Vishnu/Allah/Satan knows how ugly this could've gotten with that cowboy Booooosh.

Threadkiller

CH says:

--"Speaking directly..."--

LOL

scott

No girls allowed?

Extraneus

They're in the back of the room.

PDinDetroit

Maybe this was why the report was created about the Domestic or Home-Grown Terrorists like TEA Party Activists, Militia Members, Soccer Moms, etc. If some sort of an attack happens to the mosque, then they will know just where to look.

Janet

Extraneus, thanks for the picture. How sad. Every one of those men are saying 'screw you' to America. Well, Islam has us figured out...just move in & there's nothing anyone will do about it. The headlines will die down, & then they'll be all set. If vandalism occurs in the coming years it will be huge stories about evil Americans vs the poor put-upon Muslims.
I am just sick.
You know what the Dems aught to do in Nov....they should just refuse to step down. What is anyone gonna do about it?
If a MOSQUE can be built at Ground Zero, Islam can do anything it wants. We have lost.

Jane

We have not lost Janet.

PDinDetroit

I believe the following at LUN is in order. I little humor goes a LONG way.

glasater

We may not have lost Jane but I fear that to counter Islamic efforts here in our country our constitution--as we know it--will be destroyed.

Extraneus

No we have not. Those people will be hounded by New Yorkers coming in and out of that building, for one thing.

And let's not forget. They managed to slit the throats of a few defenseless flight attendants and pilots. We took over two of their countries and are in the process of reforming them, assuming Obama doesn't blow it.

This mosque gesture isn't doing them any good, now that almost 70% of the American public is starting to recite chapter and verse of Muhammad's commands to his warriors. They were better off when only a few people knew what they were about.

PDinDetroit

Religious Freedom is one thing, Religious Extremism is something totally different. I believe our Founding Fathers would have seen this for what it is: An Invasion. They would have acted accordingly.

centralcal

Love it PDinDetroit! Loved, loved, loved his bombing targets.

PDinDetroit

A little more humor at LUN.

Frau Steingehirn

The news report states that these are over-flow people from a near-by mosque. Weren't we told that there were so few people *period* in this area? I suspect SEIU is carting them in. (Will SEIU begin to unionize both the imams and the terrorists?)

From the New York Post news article:
The Post reported earlier this month that the prayer services were being held despite the building not having a new city certificate of occupancy.

The religious gatherings have been taking place since the building was purchased in May 2009 by the real-estate firm SoHo Properties for $4.85 million. The building's certificate of occupancy expired in 1987 and was only for a retail store.

The Buildings Department has said that the owners are in compliance and that they received temporary permits for a place of assembly, allowing worship.


Pagar

"against her as "staff chatter."

This can easily be avoided by cutting all Congressional staffs. Let them get a laptop and use it, like the people they are allowed to lie to have to do. Why do they need a bunch of servants?

Pagar

Janet says all that needs to be said about the subject at 01:07 PM. Thank you, Janet.

Frau Steingehirn

It bears repeating: "The religious gatherings have been taking place since the building was purchased in May 2009."

Sheesh! News does NOT travel fast.

Frau Steingehirn

Take heart, Janet. It does look bleak, doesn't it, but it's not over until Joseph Wilson III* sings. In the meantime, we're going to raise hay-ull as best we can and make fun of the SOB's. A lot of people let this happen by not voting. Yesterday I spotted this sign at a grocery store parking lot: "Better an imperfect Republican than a perfect Socialist."

*Ignored Plame leaker Marc Grossman's college buddy at UCSanta Barbara.

Captain Hate

We haven't lost until the trolls don't have any reason to hector us into submission.

Frau Steingehirn

More apocalypse... What does Mel think of investing in home school suppliers? NEA recommends Saul Alinsky to members.
LUN to AT article.

Mescalero

From what I've seen and heard, Emerson has discovered some potentially damaging (to Rauf) audio tapes, not video tapes. My acquaintances in law enforcement have informed me that verifying the authenticity of audio tapes can take a long time, a lot longer than verifying videos. I think Emerson is probably going out of his way to make sure he has his ducks lined up before pouring gasoline on the fire started by Rauf and his Islamist cohorts.

giantslor

Last I heard, being a radical Muslim doesn't nullify your First Amendment right to freedom of religion. That said, these "tapes" will turn out to be a big fat nothingburger, except to the rabid Islamophobes who will imagine they hear all kinds of fire and brimstone.

gozer

No, but there are certain consequences to the language and actions that one undertakes, as one can be judged by them

Clarice

I'll bet the administrtion and Bloomberg are hoping against hope that the tapes are not what they've been billed to be.

BTW what happened to Shirley sherrod after the rest of her life story made it in print? No lawsuit against Breitbart was there?

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

I hear Comrade Sherrod will file within 48 business hours.

gozer

This I assume is a transcript from her last speech in the LUN

Jim Ryan

If you can get to Montpelier (Orange, VA) on a Saturday, do so. The re-enactor of Dolley Madison is superb. Great actress, sharp as a tack, engaging, vivacious, just finished her dissertation on the argumentation in the Constitutional Convention. She gives two half-hour talks on the Convention and ratification, and you will swear it's Dolley.

I got home and read Federalist 41. N.B. this part near the end:

It has been urged and echoed, that the power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts, and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defence and general welfare of the United States,” amounts to an unlimited commission to exercise every power which may be alleged to be necessary for the common defence or general welfare. No stronger proof could be given of the distress under which these these writers labor... than their stooping to such a misconstruction.

Had no other enumeration or definition of the powers of the Congress been found in the Constitution, than the general expressions just cited, the authors of the objection might have had some color for it; though it would have been difficult to find a reason for so awkward a form of describing an authority to legislate in all possible cases. A power to destroy the freedom of the press, the trial by jury, or even to regulate the course of descents or the forms of conveyances, must be very singularly expressed by the terms “to raise money for the general welfare.”

But what color can the objection have, when a specification of the objects alluded to by these general terms immediately follows, and is not even separated by a longer pause than a semicolon? If the different parts of the same instrument ought to be so expounded, as to give meaning to every part which will bear it, shall one part of the same sentence be excluded altogether from a share in the meaning; and shall the more doubtful and indefinite terms be retained in their full extent, and the clear and precise expressions be denied any signification whatsoever? For what purpose could the enumeration of particular powers be inserted, if these and all others were meant to be included in the preceding general power?

But those are only the words of the father of the Constitution. So they may be safely ignored.

Barbara

"...these "tapes" will turn out to be a big fat nothingburger, except to the rabid Islamophobes who will imagine they hear all kinds of fire and brimstone."

giantslor -

Actually, I do not need to hear any tapes to know what the Imam and his ilk are all about. I heard and saw all I needed to know about them on 9/11. In case you've forgotten or weren't paying attention on that date, take a look at the YouTube video of the people jumping to their deaths on 9/11 that Janet linked to on another thread.

If that makes me a rabid islamophobe, so be it.

Barbara

Video at LUN

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