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Neo

Rep Kanjorski (D-PA) lost in November.
There were numerous stories that he and his family were trying to assembly an (evil) empire on the public dole.

Rob Crawford

Why would they even publish something by Kanjorski? He's not just no longer an elected official, he's a prime example of what their editorial line is (supposedly) against.

I guess it's just a reinforcement that the left sees nothing wrong with their own rhetoric, just that of anyone opposed to them.

Donald

Anybody ever seen Bob Roberts.

Cause that's where this is going.

Donald

Whoops. ?

NK

Kanjorski = EX- congressman thrown out on his ass by his rightfully outraged constituents. Why does anyone care what he thinks?
BUT-- TomM excellent snark pointing out Konjorski's disgraceful hypocracy.

Neo

Envy has nothing to do with it ...

“We here at AboveTopSecret.com, our owners, staff and membership, find ourselves in the unfortunate position of apparently being one of the largest (if not the largest) repositories of online postings by someone who has been classified as a ‘monster’ (among other things) due to his (accused) actions of two days ago,” wrote the editors of the website in a statement on Monday.
They said Loughner posted under the handle “erad3.”

jag

Doesn't something so patently idiotic (someone lecturing about "civility" who can be proven grossly uncivil) demonstrate just how lazy liberals have become?

They can't even be bothered to much think through something as stupid as this. They can't summon even the appearence of intellectual integrity to defend one of their, now "cherished", memes.

If this is the best you can do, if Kanjorski is the best front man you can find to argue for civility, what in the world are you going to do to defend something REALLY important to you?

Maybe this demonstrates liberals don't really care at all about the issue. Maybe it is just a "tell" that the whole civility narrative is just more political theater for these people. Maybe it just shows the contempt they have for their audience; people who are so intellectually lazy they'd actually take something said by a Kanjorski on civility (of all subjects) seriously.

What does it say about a movement where a leading messenger makes a foolish choice like this? Maybe even they are tired of the BS they have to continously spew to try and prop up their increasingly discredited ideas.

Rick Ballard

Jane,

Why would anyone in the Tea Party want Nobel Laureate Professor Dr. Krugman removed from the pages of the NYT? IMO, he's a damned fine recruiting tool as the embodiment of credentialed moronism within the foremost propaganda organ of the leftist oligarchy. Besides, I want him on board when Sulzberger finally takes the paper under.

maryrose

The irony of Kanjorski being the spokesperson here cries to heaven.Also the perennial drunk Kennedy is blaming Sarah Palin. At least Sarah has not endangered the lives of others by wildly driving drunk and crashing his car by the Capitol.

Dishman

Republicans have been not very well behaved and rather reckless of the danger of aligning themselves too rapidly with the American position.

It is not really responsible behavior. It is not well brought-up behavior. They missed a good opportunity to keep quiet.

/Chirac

Rob Crawford

I guess we should be glad they're not publishing calls for civility from Medea Benjamin.

hitnrun

"It’s hard to imagine a Democratic member of Congress urging constituents to be “armed and dangerous” without being ostracized..."

This says more about the person's imagination - or reading habits - then it does about Republicans or Democrats. I've seen this sentiment a lot the last few days from insulated loner (if you'll pardon the expression) commenters.

It's like they're literally unaware of anything that's happened since the Hyde Park party except that Republicans and Independents have become "violent," which is the word they use in place of "vehement."

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

To be perfectly honest, Loughner's posts sound just like every nonsensical troll who lands here.

Donald

Can't think of anywhere else she's endangered anybody either maryrose.

narciso

Agreed, Rick, they should start up TimesSelect
again, for that kind of insight is priceless.

Jeff H

RE: Krugman's statement ("It’s hard to imagine a Democratic member of Congress urging constituents to be “armed and dangerous” without being ostracized..."), is he willing to concede that O-Bama-Lama-Ding-Dong should be so ostracized for his well-known public statements about "bringing a gun" to a fight with Republicans, and "getting in [Republicans'] faces"?

I'll not be holding my breath. Lack of self-awareness, much less self-criticism, is not a liberal quality.

MarkO

Apparently, things are so bad the Times can't afford editors. This is almost like asking O.J. to try on the gloves.

Gabriel Sutherland

I think too large a portion of the left is now embarking on a permanent vacation in crazytown. It must come with beach front views or bottomless glasses of long islands.

Reading the exchange between Ed Frank and John Danzinger is a good example.

Thomas Frank has managed to convince too many on the left that their idealogical opponents do not know how dumb they are.

Ignatz

--Why would anyone in the Tea Party want Nobel Laureate Professor Dr. Krugman removed from the pages of the NYT? IMO, he's a damned fine recruiting tool as the embodiment of credentialed moronism within the foremost propaganda organ of the leftist oligarchy.--

Precisely. It's like my dear idiot brother when he gets into court; the more he talks the better for me.
The crackpot left now so dominates the Dem machine and so little knows what it sounds like to the sane that the more they spout their unhinged effluent the more they alienate the rest of the country.

lyle

If the kid was a muslim, we wouldn't be having these lectures by our betters. Well, not these kind of lectures about civility, but other lectures about us dumb hicks jumping to conclusions and hatin' Islam and all.

Melinda Romanoff

Rick-

I'm just waiting for Carlos Slim to finalize his investment and change the paper to a more widely read format.

Donald

Spekaing of OJ!

LUN

Melinda Romanoff

Oh, and a 'lanche for TM on this post.

 centralcal

To be perfectly honest, Loughner's posts sound just like every nonsensical troll who lands here.

No kidding, Jane. The picture - the spooky mugshot - of Jared makes me wonder if our trolls don't also physically resemble him.

Donald

Um Speaking.

Dave (in MA)

Jane, are you talking about Semantic Jared?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/former-sen-bob-kerrey-arizona-shooter-was-angry-about-health-care-reform/>This might be off by one thread, but apparently ex-Sen. Bob Kerrey has used his ESP to determine at least one of the motives behind the shooting.

MayBee

Clarice- I think Kanjorski is angling to take our czarina office away from us. He wants it, for reals.

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

Rick,

You are right of course. I will be forced to suffer through I guess - until he is jailed for hate speech

Centralcal,

I'd bet they look alike as well.

Mike

This is as bad as soliciting Alan Grayson's thoughts on this issue (which is what Ed Schultz did last night on MSNBC).

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

We don't hear much form OJ these days. I wonder how he is faring in prison.

Swen Swenson

"Liberals think conservatives are evil, conservatives think liberals are stupid."

Krugman and the NYT are working overtime to reenforce these stereotypes.

Steve Edwards

@ maryrose:

"Also the perennial drunk Kennedy is blaming Sarah Palin."

I laughed, because I thought to myself "Uh, could you be more specific?"

lyle

What would the narrative be if the congressperson had been 'R' and the judge a 'D'?

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

Lyle: Oh I think the narrative would be that it served the congressman right and the Congressman put the judge at risk because it would not have happened if the congressman didn't oppose health care.

Putz.

Heh, wannabe neutral Keith Kloor has just shut me down on his blog Collide-a-Scape. I stole Tom's talking points and he couldn't answer the hypocrisy with anything but strawmen.
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Jeff

Now is the time to put the democrat party out to political pasture.
They have proven to be useless in the political debates about this countries future and deserve to be retired from the political arena.
They have been reduced to sad special interest coalition of ignorant knee jerk reactionaries trying desperatly to maintain relevance by squeezing every drop of political capital from every horrific event or economic downturn.

Steve Two

Remember the Bush years, when leftists like the Wachowski Brothers* believed things like this:

"People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people."
(V for Vendetta**)

*I guess it's the Wachowski Brother and Sister these days...
**And don't blame Alan Moore for that line, pretty sure it wasn't in the book

Charlie (Colorado)

Okay, I just tatled on this thread myself.

Charlie (Colorado)

Steve_2, it's from V for Vendetta, but it's a paraphrase of Thomas Jefferson: "When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty. "


Captain Hate

Well in case anybody was wondering what type of individual agrees with Sheriff Fuzznuts, Rove mancrush target Mike Castle does. Too bad that horrible Christine O'Donnell beat him in the primary ::eyeroll::

Rob

It comes down to this: : "Free speech for me but not for thee." Liberals want to restrict conservative speech as inciting violence, which they can continue to spout their nonsense unrestricted.

As a First Amendment absolutist, let the words fly; the marketplace of ideas and logic will sort it out. Responsibility lies with the actions, or non-actions, of the listeners on both sides.

Rob

Sorry, typo. Should be "while they can" not "which they can."

lyle

Has anyone else but me noticed that the media has not noted the race of any of the victims? It's a mystery.

Rob

All caucasion. Believe me, if any of the victims were a minority, the MSM would surely ascribe a racial motive to the attack. Especially since there was the false story about the suspect's association with a purportedly white supremacist group.

narciso

Sometimes a picture makes a one minute clip is worth a thousand words, in the LUN

Rob Crawford

Let me congratulate American culture on *NOT* attempting to blame this on "violent video games".

(Now, of course, that flood of accusations will begin.)

lyle

"Especially since there was the false story about the suspect's association with a purportedly white supremacist group."


Get outta here! The lamestream media making shit up to fit the narrative?

Boatbuilder

My local rag (The Hartford Courant) came out with an irony-free editorial this morning literally and without qualification accusing Sarah Palin and "the Right" of being complicit in the murder of a nine-year old child, accompanied by a cartoon emphasizing the point (a "SarahPac" map with crosshairs focused on Tucson), proclaimed Loughner an "anti-government" person (I suppose anyone who wears a tinfoil hat is, by definition, anti-government, but really...) and in the next paragraph called for civility in political discourse. The syndicated editorial column on the bottom was a lovely piece by E.J. Dionne also blaming it all on Sarah and the Tea Party.

They either really are that stupid, or think their readers are, or (most likely) both.

Thomas Collins

See LUN (via Instapundit) for the UCal Berkeley Chancellor's musings on the relationship between the climate of hatred fostered by anti-immigration forces in Arizona and the Arizona shootings. After reading this, I may have to revise my assessment of Krugman as having provided the most despicable commentary on the Arizona shootings. The UCal Berkely Chancellor's commentary, I would say, at least has to be in the top five of my most despicable commentary list.

Extraneus

Why would anyone in the Tea Party want Nobel Laureate Professor Dr. Krugman removed from the pages of the NYT?

I guess this is the same thinking behind why Jan Brewer hasn't come out and told the sheriff to STFU.

Thanks to Obama, Democrats can no longer avoid stepping on banana peels or rakes wherever they go.

lyle

My TV watching is pretty limited. Other than the local news and some sports I don't watch all that much and now with college football over, even less. So even with my limited exposure, I can't believe how prevalent--hell, saturated--violence of all kinds (but especially gun violence) is on the screen. Trailers/teasers for movies and TV shows are jammed with it. Throw in the 24/7 news covering all the violence across the globe and riddle me this:

So where in the world could some mentally unstable dude ever get the idea that shooting/murdering is glorious or cool?

Ignatz

I think I've sussed out the difference here.

When a guy like Kanjorsky talks explicitly about lining a particular person up against a wall and shooting him for alleged non capital crimes, he's really speaking metaphorically and certainly not hatefully.

When Sarah Palin puts metaphorical crosshairs (or metaphorical surveyor's transit targets, if you prefer) on an electoral map she was actually talking about lining those candidates up and shooting them, literally.

But the real revelation is, somehow nuts like Loughner have some type of special radar whereby they can tell a liberal's call to literally shoot a particular person is just metaphorical, good natured horseplay, whereas electioneering rhetoric on the right is actually secret code authorizing assassination.

What's truly creepy is, judging by what they've said and written, most of the left has precisely the same psychotic radar as the deranged assassin and perceive rhetoric in precisely the same way and they don't see a problem with this.
As usual it's the crazy people who think everyone else is nuts.

Rob Crawford

lyle -- The problem with the "violent entertainment causes violence" theory is the overwhelming number of people exposed to it who do not commit violent acts.

matt

my thoughts on lessons learned from the Tucson massacre. LUN

jimmyk

Didn't Kos have bulls-eyes on the same district? So why is the MSM only talking about Sarah's map? Why am I even asking this question?

MarkO

I'm still waiting for just one example where heated American political speech (and there has been much over the country's life) has directly caused a political death. The heated political speech that causes death comes from Mohametans.

Even the left's movie about killing GWB lead only to death at the box office.

It is not a clear a present danger, yet our President will be calling for restrictions on the First Amendment, because he always does, whatever the climate.

cathyf
proclaimed Loughner an "anti-government" person (I suppose anyone who wears a tinfoil hat is, by definition, anti-government, but really...)
It occurs to me that we may have some reason for the MSM's hysterical excuses for Loughner -- if we could make enough sense of the anti-grammar rant, we might see that Loughner has lots of sympathy with your average journalist. Especially if there is an anti-spelling rant out there, too...
Bill C

As someone who posts on a blog I frequent likes to say, "If it weren't for double standards, the left would have no standards at all."

Sue

The new talking point...Dupnik never singled out republicans, conservatives, tea party or right wing by name.

Sue

Dupnik: "one party is trying to do something to make this country a better country and the other party is trying to block them"

He was actually referring to democrats blocking republicans from repealing Obamacare. I mean, I guess that is what firedoglake and huffpo wants us to think, since their new talking point is Dupnik never actually mentioned a party by name.

MarkO

From Insty:
"Halperin liked the idea of politicizing a tragedy to scapegoat Republicans when he wrote about it in December, and he helped push it along in January when the opportunity presented itself. And he’s still doing so. He’s a Democratic political operative. Just not a very good one."

So, I think he conspired with the shooter. It appears that the kid followed Halperin's plan exactly. I'm going with that for a while. No, I can't even do that.

Neo
A Saskatchewan farm couple whose land lies over the world's largest carbon capture and storage project says greenhouse gases that were supposed to have been injected permanently underground are leaking out, killing animals and sending groundwater foaming to the surface like shaken-up soda pop.
Obviously, the AZ shooting was caused by leaking CO2 in Saskatchewan .. or is it that these are two examples of failures ?
Extraneus

Does anyone know who the AZ audience will be for Obama tomorrow? It had better not be mixed, or one false statement will draw boos. They must be screening acolytes right this minute.

Extraneus

And didn't Dem pollster Mark Penn say after the election that Obama needed an Oklahoma City bombing-like event in order to re-connect with the voters? "Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest," anyone?

jimmyk

Another liberal idiocy is conflating people who favor smaller government with those who are generically "anti-government." It's like saying someone who wants to go on a diet is "anti-food." It's a useful straw man because it links conservatives with wackos like Loughner, but even the libertarian end of the Republican spectrum understands the need for some government.

MayBee

Another liberal idiocy is conflating people who favor smaller government with those who are generically "anti-government."

Good point, jimmyk. It also isn't as if liberals are really pro-government. Yes, they want government to provide services. But they don't even trust government enough to fairly supervise its own employees. They need unions to keep government fair.

Boatbuilder

Has anyone read the reported online postings of Loughner? Lots of Republican talking points, tea party manifestos, love letters to Palin, Rush 24/7, and Beck, right? Why haven't I been hearing about this from the MSM?

Captain Hate

ISTM that Bammy has an excellent opportunity to make a home-run speech @ Tucson. Of course it would have to be non-partisan in which he criticizes himself for being a divisive President even though words don't kill, while pointing out that the laws in place should've protected all involved except Loughner fell through the cracks for whatever reason. And some boiler plate blah-blah about the risks of living in a free society.

Needless to say he won't make that speech, but the opportunity is there for the taking.

bgates

It's like saying someone who wants to go on a diet is "anti-food."

That's a great analogy. Here's a longer but not better one:

Suppose Jared Loughner was a completely sane film student, and he and his buddies had arranged with the supermarket across the street to film a scene for their cinema verite thriller Saturday afternoon - but he grabbed a real gun instead of a prop gun, and turned left instead of right, and instead of hitting his mark and doing the scene, he inadvertently killed half a dozen people. Would it make sense for people to call for civility after that? If not, what's the relevant difference between the hypothetical sane Loughner who temporarily didn't know what he was doing and the actual Loughner who as a matter of course didn't know what he was doing?

jimmyk

It also isn't as if liberals are really pro-government.

I'm anti-the current government, but I'm pro-the government as specified in the Constitution. That's why opening Congress by reading the Constitution was a nice touch, but it doesn't keep the MSM from continuing the lie as it serves their purpose. They know better, just as they know that Loughner has nothing to do with Palin and Limbaugh, but the lie serves their purpose.

lyle

"The problem with the "violent entertainment causes violence" theory is the overwhelming number of people exposed to it who do not commit violent acts."

Precisely, RC. But why the need by the media to dream up other motives for some nut? I know...silly question.

Ignatz

--If not, what's the relevant difference between the hypothetical sane Loughner who temporarily didn't know what he was doing and the actual Loughner who as a matter of course didn't know what he was doing?--

Let me answer with the language and logic of Loughner and other idiots of the left:

All film students are leftists.
Leftists are never guilty.
Therefore six bodies is a small price to pay for the next Sean Penn.

All criminally insane people are right wingers.
Loughner is criminally insane.
Therefore Sarah Palin should be lined up against a wall and shot in the name of civility.

Captain Hate

O/T LUN for an article I just became aware of (much after the fact in view of the date) on the younger Hatette.

Threadkiller

Oh the vitriol! This from the Politico in August of 2010:

">http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0810/41337.html"> Gabrielle Giffords's fortress under siege in Ariz.

”TUCSON, Ariz. — Rep. Gabrielle Giffords has built a political fortress in this southwestern swing district that shares a rugged, sparsely populated 114-mile border with Mexico. The Arizona Democrat's $1.9 million war chest is more than twice of any other House candidate in the state, and her politics are perfectly calibrated for the seat. Giffords talks tough on the pervasive issue of border security — harshly enough to rankle some Hispanic Democrats — and she has used her post to address local needs, from securing a $6.4 million earmark in a recent military construction spending bill to build the Pentagon a special operations parachute-training facility in Marana to bringing House Homeland Security Chairman Bennie Thompson (D-Miss.) to the district to meet with local ranchers after one of their own was killed in March by what everyone here presumes was a drug smuggler.


But in a tumultuous political year — and one in which incumbency and parochialism have become double-edged swords — Republicans here are convinced none of it will be enough to save Giffords's political skin.

… provides an ideal test case to understand the degree to which national political forces might sweep aside even a polished incumbent who has steeled herself for the onslaught by paying close attention to state and local matters.

Her positioning on immigration issues has caused some consternation in the Hispanic community. She has a new ad calling a national boycott of the state, once supported by neighboring Democratic Rep. Raul Grijalva, "misguided."

Grijalva responded by telling the Arizona Daily Star that "throwing a colleague under the bus is not my idea of responding to a tough race."

While there’s widespread agreement that this is one of the more competitive races in the nation, a new list of NRCC television advertising targets, first reported by POLITICO, didn’t include Giffords. Though national Republicans deny it, some have viewed it as a tacit sign that Giffords is not yet viewed as low-hanging fruit by the GOP.

Politico reported that Gifford was not a target of the NRCC? Is it true??

But the size of Giffords's war chest and campaign skills that Republican opponents say are better than her record suggest it won’t be easy to dislodge her, even in a very favorable year for the GOP.

Jeff Rogers, chairman of the Pima County Democratic Party, says Giffords has little to worry about.
"She's going to fairly crush either one of them," he said. "She's been through this before."

All this hate.

LibertyAtStake

The historical narrative is now clear: hysterical left steps in it big time; final blow to credibility never to be regained from this point forward.

http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com
"Because the Only Good Progressive is a Failed Progressive"

Threadkiller

That was longer than I expected. I will try to trim a little better next time. Sorry.

glasater

Photobucket

"Now What"

Just in case one cannot read the text. It was a really small image but you get the idea...

jimmyk

That was good, TK, no apology necessary. The only risk is that the optical narcisolator might have registered it (what with the bolding and all) as something from you-know-who and skipped past it.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

TK:

Did Taranto pick that article up in his metaphor alert?

Thomas Collins

See LUN on Pawlentry's on the one hand on the other hand BS in response to a query about Palin's use of identifying marks on Congressional districts on which to focus. GOPers who like to think of themselves as serious candidates in 2012 might want to reflect on whose votes this type of waffling is going to secure. I think the answer is: noone's vote will be gained by this type of mealy-mouthed mushtalk.

jimmyk

From TC's LUN:


The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, for example, used red bull's eyes on a map to show the GOP candidates in its sights. Ryan Rudominer, a spokesman for the DCCC, told the Palm Beach Post over the weekend that the Democratic map was not threatening since it used an image that is also associated with Target, the national retail chain.

This sounds like something from the Onion.

Threadkiller

Jimmyk, "Optical narcisolator”??? Technology is killing me.

Jim Rhoads, That is an article I found. I do not know who else might use it.

Janet

Very cool Captain...she's really pretty. Is that the daughter that dances? (maybe I'm not remembering...I think a couple JOMers have daughters that are dancers)

 centralcal

Hey everybody - question . . .

The local Fresno County Democratic Committee is holding a candlelight vigil and protest outside of this state's largest talk radio station which is in Fresno - they are protesting the "hate" programming. (i.e., local talk, Rush, Hannity, Levin, etc.)

The station is saying that they feel the Dem's are actually looking for media (local TV station) attention and hoping to actually instigate something for the cameras. Naturally they are urging no one to comply with best attempts.

Liberals are sick, sick, sick.

 centralcal

oops - the question - anything happening in your areas, cities?????

jimmyk

"Optical narcisolator”???

Meaning using one's eyes (as opposed to software) to delete/skip troll posts.

MayBee

Hey- does anybody know if Obama has been back to Dover?

Rob Crawford

The station is saying that they feel the Dem's are actually looking for media (local TV station) attention and hoping to actually instigate something for the cameras. Naturally they are urging no one to comply with best attempts.

Commenter "SR-71" over at Rantburg wondered if the "hooting, screaming, and chest-thumping" wasn't the left working itself up to something.

I think it's more likely they're not up to anything more than what they've already been talking about: legislating away Constitutional freedoms in order to punish/silence/disenfranchise opposition to them.

Donald

LUN (Powerline)

Har de har har har.

Timing is everything dontcha think?

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

TK: I wasn't suggesting you cribbed it. Only that it would be a perfect candidate for the inevitable metaphor alert in James Taranto's daily column.

Dishman

Ah, I figured it out!

The New York Times believes that 'civility' means only killing Republicans!

Threadkiller

--""Optical narcisolator”???

Meaning using one's eyes (as opposed to software) to delete/skip troll posts.--

Good news because my Commodore 64 has that feature.

Jim, I did not take it that way at all. Can you give me the link to the "metaphor alert." JiB described me perfectly in a cartoon video he did last year. I find "obscure" stuff.

The stuff I should know eludes me. :-)

BobDenver

A Saskatchewan farm couple whose land lies over the world's largest carbon capture and storage project says greenhouse gases that were supposed to have been injected permanently underground are leaking out, killing animals and sending groundwater foaming to the surface like shaken-up soda pop.

Another carbon-related death.

On the lemonade out of lemons side, they need to start bottling that stuff.

Captain Hate

Janet, no the dancer is the elder one; but this one went to Columbia as did OL's dancer daughter so it gets confusing.

Threadkiller

--"Hey- does anybody know if Obama has been back to Dover?"--

He definitely knows Ben Dover.

Stephanie

Just saw TPaw on Cavuto. Weasel. He didn't make the mistake (again) of saying Palin was wrong for choosing to use "targets" (Cavuto didn't ask a question about that) but he bent over backwards to say how rhetoric really needs to be toned down and how evil the body politic had become. I looked over to the TV to see what size hook his lower lip had in it.

Somebody with mad photochop skillz really needs to do a cartoon or something with these guys being reeled in by the democrats.

Rob Crawford

I looked over to the TV to see what size hook his lower lip had in it.

They can't show where the hook is on TV.

 centralcal

I have never been a big Pawlenty fan. I think he's a fake.

Donald

Oh come on! LUN!

dangit.

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