The NY Times profiles Congressman Allen West, emerging Tea Party hero.
First, I deplore their violent eliminationist rhetoric:
Mr. West’s place in the Democratic crosshairs stems, he said, from the fact “that I scare the liberal establishment.”
Crosshairs is not in quotes so I blame the Times for inciting violence.
Secondly, the Times is a bit cryptic here:
But the most compelling part of Representative Allen B. West of Florida is his own biography, there for all to see: an African-American Tea Party activist Republican congressman and ally of hard-right Israelis who, after his beloved career in the Army ended under a cloud...
Cloud? Eventually we get this:
Mr. West, 50, was born and raised in Atlanta, received a bachelor’s degree from the University of Tennessee on an R.O.T.C. scholarship and holds two master’s degrees.
In the Army, he rose to battalion commander during the war in Iraq. His 22-year military career came to an end in that theater when he was relieved of his command after using a gun to coerce information from an Iraqi police officer during an interrogation.
First, if Democrats can run General Sanchez for the Senate in Texas, I don't want to hear about this. Second, Politifact (upon whom no one can rely) has more details of the incident.
Demonize, Isolate. We know the drill.
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Posted by: He's same as white inside, you know. | April 29, 2011 at 12:13 PM
Is he black? Is it racist to ask?
Posted by: MarkO | April 29, 2011 at 12:15 PM
I love it that it's just "a cloud". Not a cloud of suspicion, or a cloud of controversy, or a cloud of shame. Not even a cloud of fairy dust.
Just a cloud.
Posted by: MayBee | April 29, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Steyn is starting out, talking up West, and slamming Trump's bear baiting session
Posted by: narciso | April 29, 2011 at 12:22 PM
Funny, they never mentioned that Obama's term as senior executuve at the CAC ended under a cloud.
Posted by: Ranger | April 29, 2011 at 12:27 PM
I LUNed earlier that self serving bilge that Gallup put up to rubbish the finding of theit own poll on the Tea Party, it's lower than the peak, but it's higher than election day 2010
Posted by: narciso | April 29, 2011 at 12:28 PM
I'm rooting for an Herman Cain/allen West ticket, so we can yell "racist" anytime the left disagrees.
Posted by: Jane | April 29, 2011 at 12:28 PM
Funny how that works, doesn't it Ranger, and I'm not trusting that self serving account by Hamoodi either.
Posted by: narciso | April 29, 2011 at 12:33 PM
West scared a guy in order to protect the troops under his command.
Good for him.
Posted by: Rob Crawford | April 29, 2011 at 12:34 PM
I think it's fair to say Rep. West left the forces under a "cloud", and this article is reasonably fair. West gets his say, his opponents get their say, and the incident is fairly described. (I've put an LUN to the official testimony on what happened)
That said, I agree that what happened in Iraq was res judicata, and it's not relevnt to whether this guy should get reeleected. Since I am not a great fan of the Sarah Palin/Michele Bachman school of rhetoric, he's not my cup of Tea Party.
Posted by: Appalled | April 29, 2011 at 12:35 PM
There is a cloud over the vice-president.
Posted by: Patrick Fitzgerald | April 29, 2011 at 12:43 PM
Yes, an account by a Titan contractor,weren't
they the ones given the run of the place in Abu Ghraib, the place where the Times ran the story ran the story for forty five days straight
Posted by: narciso | April 29, 2011 at 12:44 PM
Damned you are good, narciso!
I love West, supported him ever since he ran. If cops can trick confessions out of US citizens without punishment, why can't soldiers on the battlefield?
I know, we want them to behave pristinely so the enemy (blood thirsty, irregulars) will treat our troops well. What a crock!
Posted by: clarice | April 29, 2011 at 12:49 PM
And he didn't let the dismissal from the military stop him from contributing, he subsequently went back as a contractor to Afghanistan, his opponent Klein, tried to ding
him for some tax issues, incurred while he was deployed over there
Posted by: narciso | April 29, 2011 at 12:55 PM
Here's Andrew Malcolm's marvelous take on the Obama fund raising letter someone posted on another thread.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/04/barack-obama-money-fundraising.html#more
Posted by: clarice | April 29, 2011 at 01:14 PM
Appalled, I can't quite see how you can say that West's heroic actions are "not relevnt" to his re-election, unless you say that standing on principle first, bureaucratic regulation be damned, has no bearing on his ability to be a politician.
I have no clue what 'res judicata' means, or 'LUN', but I suspect it wouldn't make your argument more cogent even if I did understand these terms. I also suspect that the entire tea party is not your "cup of tea party".
Posted by: quiznilo | April 29, 2011 at 01:23 PM
LUN means link under name, quiznilo. Res judicata essentially means the tribunal has resolved the matter and it can no longer be revisited.
Posted by: clarice | April 29, 2011 at 01:31 PM
I wonder if this new poll has anything to do with a sudden urge to create a cloud over the GOP(via Drudge):
Americans Favor GOP on Budget: Poll
The USA Today/Gallup survey of 1,013 U.S. adults looked at whether Americans expressed more confidence in the ability of Republicans or Democrats in Congress to deal with six major issues facing the country.
The federal budget was the only issue in which respondents clearly preferred one party over the other, with 48 percent favoring Republicans and 36 percent Democrats.
The poll found that Americans favored Republicans by smaller margins on four other issues: Afghanistan, the U.S. economy, immigration and jobs. Democrats held a small advantage on handling healthcare, the poll found.
Oh my... the GOP leads on the budget by 12% among all adults? I wonder was a likely, or even a registered voter screen would produce.
Posted by: Ranger | April 29, 2011 at 01:44 PM
Oh my... the GOP leads on the budget by 12% among all adults?
12% is especially remarkable when respondents were more or less evenly divided on every other issue.
Paul Ryan, keep it up and God's strength to you.
Posted by: Porchlight | April 29, 2011 at 01:48 PM
Everything is the Narrative, not the Truth, the Gallup poll on the Tea Party doesn't say
what it has been represented as, Rasmussen has
gone sideways, as Gallup has a wider point spread between support and opposition.
Posted by: narciso | April 29, 2011 at 01:55 PM
I'd say that the only cloud over Representative West is one of unicorn farts from the New York Times. The man has said he'd go through Hell with a gasoline can to protect his troops; and I believe he would.
Of course the NYT would go through Hell with a gasoline can to smear a conservative.
Posted by: Comanche Voter | April 29, 2011 at 02:06 PM
Heh, for some people looking up at that bright cloud over West, they see a silver lining.
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Posted by: He didn't waterboard him, did he? | April 29, 2011 at 02:11 PM
I just realized Obama Dunhamself in.
Imagine people who were oblivious to the Dan Rather forgeries, CBSgate, the explosion of the blogosphere, the pajama sleuths, the experts, the camaraderie.
And imagine they never heard of the birth cert until they saw Obama on TV showing it. What an effect that must be having!
It's like those WH guys never heard of Lucy Ramirez. Like they're totally unaware of the hornet's nest they've stirred up.
Posted by: BR | April 29, 2011 at 02:19 PM
Paul Ryan Gets Standing Ovation At Town Hall
Posted by: Extraneus | April 29, 2011 at 02:35 PM
If Romney is the nominee, I would love--dearly love--to see West as his running mate. The Mormon faith has a bit of baggage in the minds of blacks, and this would take care of that. Plus a hell of a lot more; this guy is inspirational.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | April 29, 2011 at 02:35 PM
Danube, Steyn is singing your song, in a higher register, on the birth certificate matter,
Posted by: narciso | April 29, 2011 at 02:43 PM
He has a lot of charisma, DoT. And he's a very straight arrow. refuses to touch a drop of alcohol, runs every day, stays in a basement apt on Capitol Hill during the week and flies home every weekend to be with his family and constituents.
Posted by: clarice | April 29, 2011 at 02:46 PM
Is this a serious thread or a silly one?
This is so much fun :)
Trump baits, Obama bytes.
Exposed are the Emperor's Layers
And soon we'll the Corpsee.
Posted by: BR | April 29, 2011 at 02:55 PM
Good grief--in the if it ain't one thing it's another from Instapundit)]]OH, GOODY: Omega 3 Fatty Acids Increase Prostate Cancer Risk? “Analyzing data from a nationwide study involving more than 3,400 men, researchers at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center found that men with the highest blood percentages of docosahexaenoic acid, or DHA, an inflammation-lowering omega-3 fatty acid commonly found in fatty fish, have two-and-a-half-times the risk of developing aggressive, high-grade prostate cancer compared to men with the lowest DHA levels. Conversely, the study also found that men with the highest blood ratios of trans-fatty acids – which are linked to inflammation and heart disease and abundant in processed foods that contain partially hydrogenated vegetable oils – had a 50 percent reduction in the risk of high-grade prostate cancer.” People have often suggested that there’s a heart attack / cancer tradeoff. Perhaps there really is?
Posted by: clarice | April 29, 2011 at 02:58 PM
The "cloud" part of the article is pure editorializing under the guise of a news article (not unusual for the NY Times). If the NY Times had an ounce of intellectual integrity, it would have described in the first few paragraphs why Rep. West acted as he did in questioning the Iraqi, and let readers decide whether there was a cloud. I suspect that to the extent most Americans wanted to assign something to his actions as properly reported, it would be a halo, not a cloud.
Posted by: Thomas Collins | April 29, 2011 at 03:01 PM
--The Mormon faith has a bit of baggage in the minds of blacks...--
And a whole lot of Christians.
--this guy is inspirational.--
Yep. Even with West as the VP candidate (although I'd much prefer to see that ticket flipper around) we'd still be presented with the choice of a warrior who'd set a pistol off in the ear of a punk to protect his troops and a limp wristed, weenie who'd Mirandize the creep and represent him himself pro bono if need be.
Posted by: Ignatz | April 29, 2011 at 03:03 PM
'ticket flipped around'
Posted by: Ignatz | April 29, 2011 at 03:04 PM
So it develops that before he drew the high draft number he talks about, the Trumpster had four student deferrals and a medical one. Seems he has never mentioned them, but the Smoking Gun nailed him (can't link).
Posted by: Danube of Thought | April 29, 2011 at 03:06 PM
Hey, don't mess with my chess piece :)
Unbeknownst to Trump, he's doing a pincer move with Corsi.
Posted by: BR | April 29, 2011 at 03:13 PM
The Mormon faith has a bit of baggage in the minds of blacks...
Compared to the thinly-disguised fascism of Obama's "spiritual mentor"?
Posted by: Rob Crawford | April 29, 2011 at 03:14 PM
Narc, I missed Steyn. Can you summarize?
Posted by: Danube of Thought | April 29, 2011 at 03:32 PM
With his call for a 25% tariff on Chinese imports and his repeated F bombs in public, something even somebody as odd as Ross Perot never resorted to, I guess Trump is bidding to be known as the Hand Grenade with a Bad Comb-Over.

Posted by: Ignatz | April 29, 2011 at 03:32 PM
I was listening during the 1st hour and Steyn was up one side of Trump and down the other. Compared his un-conservative f-bomb tough-guy tirade with Col. West's simple ad-libbed town hall statement that "If you think medicare can survive as it is without change, you can kiss this country good bye." Something like that.
Posted by: Extraneus | April 29, 2011 at 03:45 PM
Ignatz, I'm thinking of the funniest thing, you know, like when lawyers and judges try to match which exhibit on which page they're all supposed to look - a husband and wife sitting on their bed, one with a Kama Sutra picture book, and the other with a Yin-Yang picture book, and the husband suggests move 3 on pg 10, and the wife looks in her book and...
Anyway, on which page of Tzu Sun is your "Bad Comb-Over" maneuver?
Posted by: BR | April 29, 2011 at 03:46 PM
DOT, THE STEYN MONOLOGUE
http://stream.rushlimbaugh.com/cgi-bin/stream.cgi?stream=clips/11/04/042911_1_west_vs_trump.wma&site=rushlimb&token=caCbxc.aBbVd6bLdHdabLcSada9dLandPb6-bnUXC9-bWG-BCpvHkt&type=windows_od&clips=&v=&start=&stop=&RL=>Steyn
Posted by: clarice | April 29, 2011 at 04:01 PM
DoT I give up..I really tried. Tey LUN
Posted by: clarice | April 29, 2011 at 04:02 PM
The half hour news shorts on the radio (I think ABC) were all over Trump using f*%#. Now when Rahm used it it was colorful...Obama even joked about Rahm using it all the time. Biden used it too - a big f*^#ing deal. I don't remember this kind of coverage for Rahm or Biden.
The selective outrage gets me every time. FEMA is also missing in Alabama...lets see if that gets played up.
Posted by: Janet | April 29, 2011 at 04:02 PM
I only heard ten minutes of Steyn, but he gave a very cogent argument as to why we should drop the Obama is not qualified by dint of his not being a natural born citizen argument, and focus on the horrendous job he has done to the economy and the country's foreign policy.
Posted by: peter | April 29, 2011 at 04:11 PM
My esteem for Dead Fish Rahm and SlowJoe is at Mariana's Trench levels, but I'm pretty sure neither one of them has given a speech in public full of F-bomb obscenities.
Posted by: Ignatz | April 29, 2011 at 04:16 PM
FEMA is also missing in Alabama...lets see if that gets played up.
Has the governor asked for help?
Posted by: Rob Crawford | April 29, 2011 at 04:21 PM
Clarice, your LUN worked
THANK YOU!
Posted by: Chubby | April 29, 2011 at 04:21 PM
On Laura Ingraham's show today:
Eventually he got to calling Obama and the administration “Marxist” and “fanatical.”
“They might as well put on the brown shirts and swastikas,” he said.
But that’s not all. Alford also admitted he only voted for Obama “because he’s [Obama] black,” a move he now regrets.
“That is a lesson I will take to my grave,” he said solemnly, later saying Obama is “wrecking” the country and is “dangerous.”
OH my..
LUN
Posted by: Stephanie | April 29, 2011 at 04:29 PM
Trump = Smurf
Posted by: fdcol63 | April 29, 2011 at 04:42 PM
I suspect that to the extent most Americans wanted to assign something to his actions as properly reported, it would be a halo, not a cloud.
Absolutely. The more the Times and others on the left try to flog this "cloud", the better for West. For anyone but the leftists who would never vote for him anyway, what he did will be viewed sympathetically if not favorably. I love the guy, and just hope he gets a bit more experience and then moves on to higher office. Unlike all the putative Repub presidential candidates (with the exception of Bolton), I haven't heard anything about him that I don't like.
Posted by: jimmyk | April 29, 2011 at 04:46 PM
Hey ... the only problem with a West/Rubio ticket would be that they're both from FL.
Posted by: fdcol63 | April 29, 2011 at 04:48 PM
The more the Times and others on the left try to flog this "cloud", the better for West.
That's why the NYT didn't go into details. Leave it as "left under a cloud" and people fill the gap in with their own ideas -- which will be bad, no matter what. Giving the details erases that gap, and provides facts that may cause some people to judge him positively.
Posted by: Rob Crawford | April 29, 2011 at 04:51 PM
But to be honest, I'm almost at a point where I'd be open to dividing the country.
Let the liberals have their Workers' Paradises in CA, NY, NJ, MA, OR, WA, MI, IL, WI, etc.
And let the rest of us have the Sunbelt and Fly-Over Land.
We could each pursue the economic, fiscal, and national security policies we advocate, and we could once and for all see which works.
I don't think it would be long before some parts of the USRA (United Soviet Republics of America) would be annexed by Mexico, while the others would be conquered by Canada.
And the new USA would be smaller .... but a whole lot BETTER without the riff-raff.
Posted by: fdcol63 | April 29, 2011 at 04:54 PM
Greetings. Home from the cruise. Looks like I missed out on all kinds of newsy stuff!
Be it ever so humble . . . you know the drill. Great to be home.
Posted by: centralcal | April 29, 2011 at 05:07 PM
Donald 'King Cobra' Trump Strikes...!!!
Addresses adoring crowd in Las Vegas:
"I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves"
Thanks Roman Moroni from Johnny Dangerously.
Posted by: scott | April 29, 2011 at 05:10 PM
Judge orders John Edwards to answer questions about affair
Posted by: Extraneus | April 29, 2011 at 05:13 PM
“--The Mormon faith has a bit of baggage in the minds of blacks...--
And a whole lot of Christians.”
Come on, Sara, weigh in.
Why would “Christians” have baggage with a Church named “The Church of Jesus Christ?”
Not white enough? Dogma differences? Failure of rapture? The usual internecine blood letting (on purpose) over heresy and the Nicene Creed? Missionaries? Peep stones?
If it is true that “a whole lot of Christians” have issues with another Christian sect, we may need to watch the definition of “Christian.”
Come on. Let’s see some real religious discrimination. Ain’t nothin’ like a family feud. Don't you just hate Methodists?
Posted by: MarkO | April 29, 2011 at 05:15 PM
And, just last night I was the Anti-Christ.
True enough, my works are darkness.
Posted by: MarkO | April 29, 2011 at 05:17 PM
MarkO, I doubt she was talking for herself.
Posted by: Rob Crawford | April 29, 2011 at 05:20 PM
Glad you made it home cc.. Hope you weren't seasick.
Posted by: clarice | April 29, 2011 at 05:22 PM
Rob,
Not for herself? Was she possessed of Seven Devils of the Magdalene?
Posted by: MarkO | April 29, 2011 at 05:23 PM
But fdcol63, in short order we would have to construct a fence along the Mississippi to keep the libs from flooding over our border in search of jobs.
Posted by: Old Lurker | April 29, 2011 at 05:24 PM
No, she was stating a fact -- there are Christians who act like idiots on the subject of Mormons, just as there are Mormons who act like idiots when that fact is brought up.
Posted by: Rob Crawford | April 29, 2011 at 05:26 PM
Amen, Brother Crawford.
Posted by: MarkO | April 29, 2011 at 05:27 PM
There is a big difference in beliefs about Jesus. A big fundamental difference.
Posted by: Janet | April 29, 2011 at 05:28 PM
This has been sitting out there on Drudge for days. Does anyone believe it?
U.S. says Gaddafi troops raping, issued Viagra: envoys
Viagra? Gimme a break. How old are their soldiers over there, anyway?Posted by: Extraneus | April 29, 2011 at 05:29 PM
In the drip, drip, drip category, I see in the WSJ that the Feds are already considering granting foreign exchange trading exemptions from the still-being-drafted regs on derivatives mandated by Dodd-Frank. The world described by Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged (and faithfully displayed in the new movie) was an American sinking from the weight of overbearing regulation, with concessions garnted to the politically favored. Let's see 1000+ exemptions to Obama Care and now escape hatches for money guys making the right contributions...
Posted by: Old Lurker | April 29, 2011 at 05:29 PM
Thanks, Clarice. Nope - didn't get seasick in the least, though we had two very rocky days due to high winds. Those Scams-R-Us wrist bands did the trick. Took only one meclizine the first day.
May gawd - I will be another year older before I catch up on all of the comments I missed!
Posted by: centralcal | April 29, 2011 at 05:32 PM
Welcome back cc.
Tammy Bruce finally fessed up for why she's had a recent intense mad-on for Michelle Bachmann; she considers her a stalking horse for der Mittens. Hell hath no fury like that from a hawt, pistol-packing conservative lezzo that understands the left and all their scuzzy tactics.
Posted by: Captain Hate | April 29, 2011 at 05:32 PM
"There is a big difference in beliefs about Jesus. A big fundamental difference."
Are you suggesting this is a reason NOT to vote for a qualilfied presidential candidate? Could someone with this perspective vote for a Jew, whose view of Jesus is of a completely different quality?
Should Catholics refuse to vote for Protestants? Give me the underlying rationale, even if it is a religious test.
Posted by: MarkO | April 29, 2011 at 05:36 PM
If it is true that “a whole lot of Christians” have issues with another Christian sect, we may need to watch the definition of “Christian.”
You're joking.
Tell me you're joking.
Posted by: Charlie (Colorado) | April 29, 2011 at 05:40 PM
That has been the conjecture, that my little unofficial clique have come up with, Scherer,
the dubious on the first Amendment journolister, gave her as close to a glowing
profile, a month back, and she was invited to the Time 100 shindig, which Zombie Henry Luce
bitterly opposes
Posted by: narciso | April 29, 2011 at 05:40 PM
--Why would “Christians” have baggage with a Church named “The Church of Jesus Christ?”--
Well I have a slight problem with the "Christian" Identity movement as well and the church that claims it Witnesses for "Jehovah".
The Mormon church has doctrines, not well known and not for public consumption, which are vastly far afield from any Christian doctrine represented in the Bible and exceedingly bizarre.
Paul warned against those who come "preaching another Christ". I take his warning seriously.
Posted by: Ignatz | April 29, 2011 at 05:40 PM
Come on. Let’s see some real religious discrimination. Ain’t nothin’ like a family feud. Don't you just hate Methodists?
and as the old song goes, "I don't like anybody very much".
Posted by: Agent J. (formally known as "J".. | April 29, 2011 at 05:41 PM
Yikes, I was just answering your question -
"Why would “Christians” have baggage with a Church named “The Church of Jesus Christ?”"
I wasn't suggesting anything.
Posted by: Janet | April 29, 2011 at 05:43 PM
I think by "cloud" they mean "in glory".
Posted by: rrsafety | April 29, 2011 at 05:45 PM
Well, we apparently can talk politics, but not religion. And, I'm not kidding.
You know you are not prejudiced when your friends agree with you.
Moreover, I don't care if Mormons have wild ideas about Jesus if a Mormon would be a good President. But, if I have to include in my voter checklist some necessary agreement with me on matters of faith, I, personally, not you Charlie, but I would want to examine myself.
Posted by: MarkO | April 29, 2011 at 05:47 PM
BS on the "cloud". Alan West is an honorable officer and a true gentleman. The New York Times would be renovated 180 to have just a cc of his DNA atomize the office. He did the right thing for his men - force protection. Your first priority is to protect your contingent and that is what he did. If I was a member of his Bn I would get on my knees and thank God for such men.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | April 29, 2011 at 05:48 PM
Didn't intend to upset you, Janet. Sorry if I did.
Posted by: MarkO | April 29, 2011 at 05:48 PM
They've legitimated Stalin (Duranty) Fidel (Matthews) Ho Chi Minh (Salisbury, Lewis,)
the FMLN (Bonner) Shirley Christian was the exception that proves the rule, and those are
just off the top of my head.
Posted by: narciso | April 29, 2011 at 05:51 PM
MarkO,
I'm not sure whether you are talking tongue in cheek or serious, but there is a large segment of the Christian population that will not vote for Romney, simply because he is a Mormon. And Huckabee used that to his advantage last time around. One of the reasons I detest the bugger. 'I would never claim Romney's faith discriminates against African-Americans' 'I would never say Romney believes XYZ'. Knowing full well he was saying it by claiming he would never say it. Huckabee deserves his Huckster nickname.
Posted by: Sue | April 29, 2011 at 05:51 PM
Marko: Screw you and the horse you road in on.
Janet: There is, what would that be?
Have any of you ever attended an LDS church service on Sunday? No, I didn't think so.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | April 29, 2011 at 05:56 PM
there is a large segment of the Christian population that will not vote for Romney, simply because he is a Mormon.
Sue, I know that to be true and I watched from all angles in 2008. Huckabee was one of the more insidious. I’m not necessarily a big fan of Romney for many reasons, but I was troubled when “our side” seemed to countenance a kind of ugly religious discrimination. We has so many internal fights in the conservative camp that I was simply weighing in on one I would think we could eliminate. But, probably not. Fundamentalists seem to hate Mormons and they are a large block of votes. If their doctrinal purity is the issue, Romney should not even try to run because he could never win.
And, as you know, I do like to make trouble.
Posted by: MarkO | April 29, 2011 at 05:57 PM
Fight among yourselves.
(HEH)
I just took a gander at the 5 minute and then the 60 second videos of the wedding. Everything you need to see without having to waste a good morning.Now--a serious problem. I am scheduled to sit on a %&^*)$_ grand jury the ENTIRE month of August..from early morning to 5 pm. In fact, I can even be kept longer than that ..I will not be able to keep up with everyone. What can we do?
Posted by: clarice | April 29, 2011 at 05:57 PM
OL,
If Mad Ben was serious about no QE3 then we will find out what unsustainable means in reality before the end of the year. I'd go for minefields rather than a fence. They really cut down on recidivism.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | April 29, 2011 at 05:58 PM
*we had*
Posted by: MarkO | April 29, 2011 at 05:59 PM
MarkO,
Obviously him being Mormon didn't bother me. He was my first pick last time around and is still an option for me.
Posted by: Sue | April 29, 2011 at 06:00 PM
I shouldna brought it up...
Posted by: Danube of Thought | April 29, 2011 at 06:02 PM
Sara,
Thanks for further revealing yourself.
The depth of the ignorance of your comment is stunning. You know nothing. But, why engage when you can so quickly answer your own questions?
Find soneone else to call out. I'll be busy with my horse.
Posted by: MarkO | April 29, 2011 at 06:04 PM
I shouldna brought it up...
I blame Bush.
Posted by: MarkO | April 29, 2011 at 06:05 PM
Many thanks for your effort with the LUN, Clarice, but I got greeted with something saying "...requires a plug-in that can only run in 32-bit mode," at which point I am stymied.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | April 29, 2011 at 06:05 PM
Agree completely re Mines vs Fence, Rick.
Posted by: Old Lurker | April 29, 2011 at 06:08 PM
Clarice, I assume that "%&^*)$_ " means "federal." Did you volunteer, or were you summoned? Can you be assured that it's only a month?
We cannot live with this...
Posted by: Danube of Thought | April 29, 2011 at 06:08 PM
Sorry, You might have to wait for Cathy to come around or Chaco.
Posted by: clarice | April 29, 2011 at 06:09 PM
((But, if I have to include in my voter checklist some necessary agreement with me on matters of faith,))
what's worse and can have devastating effects on a life is when you have to have a checklist for your church on matters of politics
nothing worse for a conservative Christian than hearing libbie talking points emanating from the pulpit as gospel
Posted by: Chubby | April 29, 2011 at 06:11 PM
The Mormon church has doctrines, not well known and not for public consumption, which are vastly far afield from any Christian doctrine represented in the Bible and exceedingly bizarre.
Oh really? You mean they don't follow the dictate laid down by Constantine or numerous Catholic popes for over a thousand years?
I've got news for you, the average LDS 10 year old probably knows the Bible better than any so-called Mainline church elder. By the time they finish Seminary in high school, they probably know their Bible better than any so-called ordained minister with a divinity degree. By the time they finish their Mission, they understand suffering, poverty and faith.
When I hear Mormons aren't Christians, I can only laugh and post the first four Articles of Faith:
1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.
3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | April 29, 2011 at 06:12 PM
Totally off topic, but a reminder of how hard the game is played in other parts of the world:
Ivory Coast renegade warlord Ibrahim Coulibaly killed
One of Ivory Coast's best-known militia leaders has been killed by the forces of new President Alassane Ouattara.
...
Mr Coulibaly, 47 and widely known as "IB", had served as Mr Ouattara's personal bodyguard.
But he has been reluctant to disarm his fighters, as he was said to be seeking recognition of the role they played in ousting Mr Gbagbo, who refused to accept defeat in last year's election.
When they throw you under the bus in most places, you don't get to go home and think it over afterwards.
Posted by: Ranger | April 29, 2011 at 06:13 PM
Just looking for a link for DoT, I see in one of Mark Steyn's riffs that Wolf Blitzer claims to have seen all of Obama's transcripts and says they were excellent?
Posted by: Extraneus | April 29, 2011 at 06:15 PM
Is somebody promulgating Teh Protocols of the Elders of Zion National Park?
Posted by: Captain Hate | April 29, 2011 at 06:20 PM
Sara,
Thanks for further revealing yourself.
The depth of the ignorance of your comment is stunning. You know nothing. But, why engage when you can so quickly answer your own questions?
Find soneone else to call out. I'll be busy with my horse.
You really are a piece of work. Make derogatory statements, call someone out, and then try to turn it around and make the person calling you on it the ignorant bad guy. You have learned the Obama lessons well.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | April 29, 2011 at 06:22 PM
--Moreover, I don't care if Mormons have wild ideas about Jesus if a Mormon would be a good President.--
Me neither. As Luther said, "I'd rather be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian".
Posted by: Ignatz | April 29, 2011 at 06:24 PM