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He's same as white inside, you know.

Demonize, Isolate. We know the drill.
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MarkO

Is he black? Is it racist to ask?

MayBee

I love it that it's just "a cloud". Not a cloud of suspicion, or a cloud of controversy, or a cloud of shame. Not even a cloud of fairy dust.

Just a cloud.

narciso

Steyn is starting out, talking up West, and slamming Trump's bear baiting session

Ranger

Funny, they never mentioned that Obama's term as senior executuve at the CAC ended under a cloud.

narciso

I LUNed earlier that self serving bilge that Gallup put up to rubbish the finding of theit own poll on the Tea Party, it's lower than the peak, but it's higher than election day 2010

Jane

I'm rooting for an Herman Cain/allen West ticket, so we can yell "racist" anytime the left disagrees.

narciso

Funny how that works, doesn't it Ranger, and I'm not trusting that self serving account by Hamoodi either.

Rob Crawford

West scared a guy in order to protect the troops under his command.

Good for him.

Appalled

I think it's fair to say Rep. West left the forces under a "cloud", and this article is reasonably fair. West gets his say, his opponents get their say, and the incident is fairly described. (I've put an LUN to the official testimony on what happened)

That said, I agree that what happened in Iraq was res judicata, and it's not relevnt to whether this guy should get reeleected. Since I am not a great fan of the Sarah Palin/Michele Bachman school of rhetoric, he's not my cup of Tea Party.

Patrick Fitzgerald

There is a cloud over the vice-president.

narciso

Yes, an account by a Titan contractor,weren't
they the ones given the run of the place in Abu Ghraib, the place where the Times ran the story ran the story for forty five days straight

clarice

Damned you are good, narciso!

I love West, supported him ever since he ran. If cops can trick confessions out of US citizens without punishment, why can't soldiers on the battlefield?

I know, we want them to behave pristinely so the enemy (blood thirsty, irregulars) will treat our troops well. What a crock!

narciso

And he didn't let the dismissal from the military stop him from contributing, he subsequently went back as a contractor to Afghanistan, his opponent Klein, tried to ding
him for some tax issues, incurred while he was deployed over there

clarice

Here's Andrew Malcolm's marvelous take on the Obama fund raising letter someone posted on another thread.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/04/barack-obama-money-fundraising.html#more

quiznilo

Appalled, I can't quite see how you can say that West's heroic actions are "not relevnt" to his re-election, unless you say that standing on principle first, bureaucratic regulation be damned, has no bearing on his ability to be a politician.

I have no clue what 'res judicata' means, or 'LUN', but I suspect it wouldn't make your argument more cogent even if I did understand these terms. I also suspect that the entire tea party is not your "cup of tea party".

clarice

LUN means link under name, quiznilo. Res judicata essentially means the tribunal has resolved the matter and it can no longer be revisited.

Ranger

I wonder if this new poll has anything to do with a sudden urge to create a cloud over the GOP(via Drudge):

Americans Favor GOP on Budget: Poll

The USA Today/Gallup survey of 1,013 U.S. adults looked at whether Americans expressed more confidence in the ability of Republicans or Democrats in Congress to deal with six major issues facing the country.

The federal budget was the only issue in which respondents clearly preferred one party over the other, with 48 percent favoring Republicans and 36 percent Democrats.

The poll found that Americans favored Republicans by smaller margins on four other issues: Afghanistan, the U.S. economy, immigration and jobs. Democrats held a small advantage on handling healthcare, the poll found.

Oh my... the GOP leads on the budget by 12% among all adults? I wonder was a likely, or even a registered voter screen would produce.

Porchlight

Oh my... the GOP leads on the budget by 12% among all adults?

12% is especially remarkable when respondents were more or less evenly divided on every other issue.

Paul Ryan, keep it up and God's strength to you.

narciso

Everything is the Narrative, not the Truth, the Gallup poll on the Tea Party doesn't say
what it has been represented as, Rasmussen has
gone sideways, as Gallup has a wider point spread between support and opposition.

Comanche Voter

I'd say that the only cloud over Representative West is one of unicorn farts from the New York Times. The man has said he'd go through Hell with a gasoline can to protect his troops; and I believe he would.

Of course the NYT would go through Hell with a gasoline can to smear a conservative.

He didn't waterboard him, did he?

Heh, for some people looking up at that bright cloud over West, they see a silver lining.
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BR

I just realized Obama Dunhamself in.

Imagine people who were oblivious to the Dan Rather forgeries, CBSgate, the explosion of the blogosphere, the pajama sleuths, the experts, the camaraderie.

And imagine they never heard of the birth cert until they saw Obama on TV showing it. What an effect that must be having!

It's like those WH guys never heard of Lucy Ramirez. Like they're totally unaware of the hornet's nest they've stirred up.

Danube of Thought

If Romney is the nominee, I would love--dearly love--to see West as his running mate. The Mormon faith has a bit of baggage in the minds of blacks, and this would take care of that. Plus a hell of a lot more; this guy is inspirational.

narciso

Danube, Steyn is singing your song, in a higher register, on the birth certificate matter,

clarice

He has a lot of charisma, DoT. And he's a very straight arrow. refuses to touch a drop of alcohol, runs every day, stays in a basement apt on Capitol Hill during the week and flies home every weekend to be with his family and constituents.

BR

Is this a serious thread or a silly one?
This is so much fun :)

Trump baits, Obama bytes.
Exposed are the Emperor's Layers
And soon we'll the Corpsee.

clarice

Good grief--in the if it ain't one thing it's another from Instapundit)]]OH, GOODY: Omega 3 Fatty Acids Increase Prostate Cancer Risk? “Analyzing data from a nationwide study involving more than 3,400 men, researchers at Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center found that men with the highest blood percentages of docosahexaenoic acid, or DHA, an inflammation-lowering omega-3 fatty acid commonly found in fatty fish, have two-and-a-half-times the risk of developing aggressive, high-grade prostate cancer compared to men with the lowest DHA levels. Conversely, the study also found that men with the highest blood ratios of trans-fatty acids – which are linked to inflammation and heart disease and abundant in processed foods that contain partially hydrogenated vegetable oils – had a 50 percent reduction in the risk of high-grade prostate cancer.” People have often suggested that there’s a heart attack / cancer tradeoff. Perhaps there really is?

Thomas Collins

The "cloud" part of the article is pure editorializing under the guise of a news article (not unusual for the NY Times). If the NY Times had an ounce of intellectual integrity, it would have described in the first few paragraphs why Rep. West acted as he did in questioning the Iraqi, and let readers decide whether there was a cloud. I suspect that to the extent most Americans wanted to assign something to his actions as properly reported, it would be a halo, not a cloud.

Ignatz

--The Mormon faith has a bit of baggage in the minds of blacks...--

And a whole lot of Christians.

--this guy is inspirational.--

Yep. Even with West as the VP candidate (although I'd much prefer to see that ticket flipper around) we'd still be presented with the choice of a warrior who'd set a pistol off in the ear of a punk to protect his troops and a limp wristed, weenie who'd Mirandize the creep and represent him himself pro bono if need be.

Ignatz

'ticket flipped around'

Danube of Thought

So it develops that before he drew the high draft number he talks about, the Trumpster had four student deferrals and a medical one. Seems he has never mentioned them, but the Smoking Gun nailed him (can't link).

BR

Hey, don't mess with my chess piece :)

Unbeknownst to Trump, he's doing a pincer move with Corsi.

Rob Crawford

The Mormon faith has a bit of baggage in the minds of blacks...

Compared to the thinly-disguised fascism of Obama's "spiritual mentor"?

Danube of Thought

Narc, I missed Steyn. Can you summarize?

Ignatz

With his call for a 25% tariff on Chinese imports and his repeated F bombs in public, something even somebody as odd as Ross Perot never resorted to, I guess Trump is bidding to be known as the Hand Grenade with a Bad Comb-Over.

Extraneus

I was listening during the 1st hour and Steyn was up one side of Trump and down the other. Compared his un-conservative f-bomb tough-guy tirade with Col. West's simple ad-libbed town hall statement that "If you think medicare can survive as it is without change, you can kiss this country good bye." Something like that.

BR

Ignatz, I'm thinking of the funniest thing, you know, like when lawyers and judges try to match which exhibit on which page they're all supposed to look - a husband and wife sitting on their bed, one with a Kama Sutra picture book, and the other with a Yin-Yang picture book, and the husband suggests move 3 on pg 10, and the wife looks in her book and...

Anyway, on which page of Tzu Sun is your "Bad Comb-Over" maneuver?

clarice

DoT I give up..I really tried. Tey LUN

Janet

The half hour news shorts on the radio (I think ABC) were all over Trump using f*%#. Now when Rahm used it it was colorful...Obama even joked about Rahm using it all the time. Biden used it too - a big f*^#ing deal. I don't remember this kind of coverage for Rahm or Biden.
The selective outrage gets me every time. FEMA is also missing in Alabama...lets see if that gets played up.

peter

I only heard ten minutes of Steyn, but he gave a very cogent argument as to why we should drop the Obama is not qualified by dint of his not being a natural born citizen argument, and focus on the horrendous job he has done to the economy and the country's foreign policy.

Ignatz

My esteem for Dead Fish Rahm and SlowJoe is at Mariana's Trench levels, but I'm pretty sure neither one of them has given a speech in public full of F-bomb obscenities.

Rob Crawford

FEMA is also missing in Alabama...lets see if that gets played up.

Has the governor asked for help?

Chubby

Clarice, your LUN worked

THANK YOU!

Stephanie

On Laura Ingraham's show today:

“Obama wanted the National Black Chamber to dance to his music and have blind allegiance to his crazy programs and agenda, which are totally anti-business. We are a pro-business organization. So we have to stand on the side of business, and the benefit of our members, which are black entrepreneurs.”

Eventually he got to calling Obama and the administration “Marxist” and “fanatical.”

“They might as well put on the brown shirts and swastikas,” he said.

But that’s not all. Alford also admitted he only voted for Obama “because he’s [Obama] black,” a move he now regrets.

“That is a lesson I will take to my grave,” he said solemnly, later saying Obama is “wrecking” the country and is “dangerous.”

OH my..
LUN

fdcol63

Trump = Smurf

jimmyk

I suspect that to the extent most Americans wanted to assign something to his actions as properly reported, it would be a halo, not a cloud.

Absolutely. The more the Times and others on the left try to flog this "cloud", the better for West. For anyone but the leftists who would never vote for him anyway, what he did will be viewed sympathetically if not favorably. I love the guy, and just hope he gets a bit more experience and then moves on to higher office. Unlike all the putative Repub presidential candidates (with the exception of Bolton), I haven't heard anything about him that I don't like.

fdcol63

Hey ... the only problem with a West/Rubio ticket would be that they're both from FL.

Rob Crawford

The more the Times and others on the left try to flog this "cloud", the better for West.

That's why the NYT didn't go into details. Leave it as "left under a cloud" and people fill the gap in with their own ideas -- which will be bad, no matter what. Giving the details erases that gap, and provides facts that may cause some people to judge him positively.

fdcol63

But to be honest, I'm almost at a point where I'd be open to dividing the country.

Let the liberals have their Workers' Paradises in CA, NY, NJ, MA, OR, WA, MI, IL, WI, etc.

And let the rest of us have the Sunbelt and Fly-Over Land.

We could each pursue the economic, fiscal, and national security policies we advocate, and we could once and for all see which works.

I don't think it would be long before some parts of the USRA (United Soviet Republics of America) would be annexed by Mexico, while the others would be conquered by Canada.

And the new USA would be smaller .... but a whole lot BETTER without the riff-raff.

centralcal

Greetings. Home from the cruise. Looks like I missed out on all kinds of newsy stuff!

Be it ever so humble . . . you know the drill. Great to be home.

scott

Donald 'King Cobra' Trump Strikes...!!!

Addresses adoring crowd in Las Vegas:

"I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves"


Thanks Roman Moroni from Johnny Dangerously.

Extraneus

Judge orders John Edwards to answer questions about affair

RALEIGH, North Carolina (Reuters) - Former Senator and presidential candidate John Edwards must testify before a judge about his relationship with his former mistress, Rielle Hunter, a North Carolina judge ruled on Friday.

The private testimony will come during a deposition set for June 20 as part of a civil suit brought by Hunter against Edwards' former aide, Andrew Young.

MarkO

“--The Mormon faith has a bit of baggage in the minds of blacks...--

And a whole lot of Christians.”

Come on, Sara, weigh in.

Why would “Christians” have baggage with a Church named “The Church of Jesus Christ?”
Not white enough? Dogma differences? Failure of rapture? The usual internecine blood letting (on purpose) over heresy and the Nicene Creed? Missionaries? Peep stones?

If it is true that “a whole lot of Christians” have issues with another Christian sect, we may need to watch the definition of “Christian.”

Come on. Let’s see some real religious discrimination. Ain’t nothin’ like a family feud. Don't you just hate Methodists?

MarkO

And, just last night I was the Anti-Christ.

True enough, my works are darkness.

Rob Crawford

MarkO, I doubt she was talking for herself.

clarice

Glad you made it home cc.. Hope you weren't seasick.

MarkO

Rob,
Not for herself? Was she possessed of Seven Devils of the Magdalene?

Old Lurker

But fdcol63, in short order we would have to construct a fence along the Mississippi to keep the libs from flooding over our border in search of jobs.

Rob Crawford

No, she was stating a fact -- there are Christians who act like idiots on the subject of Mormons, just as there are Mormons who act like idiots when that fact is brought up.

MarkO

Amen, Brother Crawford.

Janet

There is a big difference in beliefs about Jesus. A big fundamental difference.

Extraneus

This has been sitting out there on Drudge for days. Does anyone believe it?

U.S. says Gaddafi troops raping, issued Viagra: envoys

Several U.N. diplomats who attended a closed-door Security Council meeting on Libya told Reuters that U.S. Ambassador Susan Rice raised the Viagra issue in the context of increasing reports of sexual violence by Gaddafi's troops.

"Rice raised that in the meeting but no one responded," a diplomat said on condition of anonymity. The allegation was first reported by a British newspaper.

Viagra? Gimme a break. How old are their soldiers over there, anyway?

Old Lurker

In the drip, drip, drip category, I see in the WSJ that the Feds are already considering granting foreign exchange trading exemptions from the still-being-drafted regs on derivatives mandated by Dodd-Frank. The world described by Ayn Rand in Atlas Shrugged (and faithfully displayed in the new movie) was an American sinking from the weight of overbearing regulation, with concessions garnted to the politically favored. Let's see 1000+ exemptions to Obama Care and now escape hatches for money guys making the right contributions...

centralcal

Thanks, Clarice. Nope - didn't get seasick in the least, though we had two very rocky days due to high winds. Those Scams-R-Us wrist bands did the trick. Took only one meclizine the first day.

May gawd - I will be another year older before I catch up on all of the comments I missed!

Captain Hate

Welcome back cc.

Tammy Bruce finally fessed up for why she's had a recent intense mad-on for Michelle Bachmann; she considers her a stalking horse for der Mittens. Hell hath no fury like that from a hawt, pistol-packing conservative lezzo that understands the left and all their scuzzy tactics.

MarkO

"There is a big difference in beliefs about Jesus. A big fundamental difference."

Are you suggesting this is a reason NOT to vote for a qualilfied presidential candidate? Could someone with this perspective vote for a Jew, whose view of Jesus is of a completely different quality?

Should Catholics refuse to vote for Protestants? Give me the underlying rationale, even if it is a religious test.


Charlie (Colorado)

If it is true that “a whole lot of Christians” have issues with another Christian sect, we may need to watch the definition of “Christian.”

You're joking.

Tell me you're joking.

narciso

That has been the conjecture, that my little unofficial clique have come up with, Scherer,
the dubious on the first Amendment journolister, gave her as close to a glowing
profile, a month back, and she was invited to the Time 100 shindig, which Zombie Henry Luce
bitterly opposes

Ignatz

--Why would “Christians” have baggage with a Church named “The Church of Jesus Christ?”--

Well I have a slight problem with the "Christian" Identity movement as well and the church that claims it Witnesses for "Jehovah".
The Mormon church has doctrines, not well known and not for public consumption, which are vastly far afield from any Christian doctrine represented in the Bible and exceedingly bizarre.
Paul warned against those who come "preaching another Christ". I take his warning seriously.

Agent J. (formally known as "J"..

Come on. Let’s see some real religious discrimination. Ain’t nothin’ like a family feud. Don't you just hate Methodists?

and as the old song goes, "I don't like anybody very much".

Janet

Yikes, I was just answering your question -
"Why would “Christians” have baggage with a Church named “The Church of Jesus Christ?”"

I wasn't suggesting anything.

rrsafety

I think by "cloud" they mean "in glory".

MarkO

Well, we apparently can talk politics, but not religion. And, I'm not kidding.

You know you are not prejudiced when your friends agree with you.

Moreover, I don't care if Mormons have wild ideas about Jesus if a Mormon would be a good President. But, if I have to include in my voter checklist some necessary agreement with me on matters of faith, I, personally, not you Charlie, but I would want to examine myself.

Jack is Back!

BS on the "cloud". Alan West is an honorable officer and a true gentleman. The New York Times would be renovated 180 to have just a cc of his DNA atomize the office. He did the right thing for his men - force protection. Your first priority is to protect your contingent and that is what he did. If I was a member of his Bn I would get on my knees and thank God for such men.

MarkO

Didn't intend to upset you, Janet. Sorry if I did.

narciso

They've legitimated Stalin (Duranty) Fidel (Matthews) Ho Chi Minh (Salisbury, Lewis,)
the FMLN (Bonner) Shirley Christian was the exception that proves the rule, and those are
just off the top of my head.

Sue

MarkO,

I'm not sure whether you are talking tongue in cheek or serious, but there is a large segment of the Christian population that will not vote for Romney, simply because he is a Mormon. And Huckabee used that to his advantage last time around. One of the reasons I detest the bugger. 'I would never claim Romney's faith discriminates against African-Americans' 'I would never say Romney believes XYZ'. Knowing full well he was saying it by claiming he would never say it. Huckabee deserves his Huckster nickname.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Marko: Screw you and the horse you road in on.

Janet: There is, what would that be?

Have any of you ever attended an LDS church service on Sunday? No, I didn't think so.

MarkO

there is a large segment of the Christian population that will not vote for Romney, simply because he is a Mormon.

Sue, I know that to be true and I watched from all angles in 2008. Huckabee was one of the more insidious. I’m not necessarily a big fan of Romney for many reasons, but I was troubled when “our side” seemed to countenance a kind of ugly religious discrimination. We has so many internal fights in the conservative camp that I was simply weighing in on one I would think we could eliminate. But, probably not. Fundamentalists seem to hate Mormons and they are a large block of votes. If their doctrinal purity is the issue, Romney should not even try to run because he could never win.

And, as you know, I do like to make trouble.

clarice

Fight among yourselves.
(HEH)
I just took a gander at the 5 minute and then the 60 second videos of the wedding. Everything you need to see without having to waste a good morning.Now--a serious problem. I am scheduled to sit on a %&^*)$_ grand jury the ENTIRE month of August..from early morning to 5 pm. In fact, I can even be kept longer than that ..I will not be able to keep up with everyone. What can we do?

Rick Ballard

OL,

If Mad Ben was serious about no QE3 then we will find out what unsustainable means in reality before the end of the year. I'd go for minefields rather than a fence. They really cut down on recidivism.

MarkO

*we had*

Sue

MarkO,

Obviously him being Mormon didn't bother me. He was my first pick last time around and is still an option for me.

Danube of Thought

I shouldna brought it up...

MarkO

Sara,

Thanks for further revealing yourself.

The depth of the ignorance of your comment is stunning. You know nothing. But, why engage when you can so quickly answer your own questions?

Find soneone else to call out. I'll be busy with my horse.

MarkO

I shouldna brought it up...

I blame Bush.

Danube of Thought

Many thanks for your effort with the LUN, Clarice, but I got greeted with something saying "...requires a plug-in that can only run in 32-bit mode," at which point I am stymied.

Old Lurker

Agree completely re Mines vs Fence, Rick.

Danube of Thought

Clarice, I assume that "%&^*)$_ " means "federal." Did you volunteer, or were you summoned? Can you be assured that it's only a month?

We cannot live with this...

clarice

Sorry, You might have to wait for Cathy to come around or Chaco.

Chubby

((But, if I have to include in my voter checklist some necessary agreement with me on matters of faith,))

what's worse and can have devastating effects on a life is when you have to have a checklist for your church on matters of politics

nothing worse for a conservative Christian than hearing libbie talking points emanating from the pulpit as gospel

Sara (Pal2Pal)

The Mormon church has doctrines, not well known and not for public consumption, which are vastly far afield from any Christian doctrine represented in the Bible and exceedingly bizarre.

Oh really? You mean they don't follow the dictate laid down by Constantine or numerous Catholic popes for over a thousand years?

I've got news for you, the average LDS 10 year old probably knows the Bible better than any so-called Mainline church elder. By the time they finish Seminary in high school, they probably know their Bible better than any so-called ordained minister with a divinity degree. By the time they finish their Mission, they understand suffering, poverty and faith.

When I hear Mormons aren't Christians, I can only laugh and post the first four Articles of Faith:

1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

2 We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

3 We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

4 We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Ranger

Totally off topic, but a reminder of how hard the game is played in other parts of the world:

Ivory Coast renegade warlord Ibrahim Coulibaly killed

One of Ivory Coast's best-known militia leaders has been killed by the forces of new President Alassane Ouattara.

...

Mr Coulibaly, 47 and widely known as "IB", had served as Mr Ouattara's personal bodyguard.

But he has been reluctant to disarm his fighters, as he was said to be seeking recognition of the role they played in ousting Mr Gbagbo, who refused to accept defeat in last year's election.

When they throw you under the bus in most places, you don't get to go home and think it over afterwards.

Extraneus

Just looking for a link for DoT, I see in one of Mark Steyn's riffs that Wolf Blitzer claims to have seen all of Obama's transcripts and says they were excellent?

After Trump finished speaking, Blitzer said that he has seen all of Obama's grade transcripts from college and that they were excellent. Now, how did that happen? So we need a reality show to tell Wolf Blitzer to tell us how he's seen 'em, 'cause they're sealed. Every reality show should take on an issue now and get themselves publicity that can't be purchased. And, of course, there's Obama at his own presser today saying, "We don't have time for this silliness. We got serious things happening." What does he do? He leaves and gets on a plane with Moochelle to go to Chicago to tape Oprah! And after they finish taping Oprah in Chicago today, a very serious interview, I'm sure, then they're gonna fly to New York for a rush hour series of three fundraisers. They're gonna shut down the FDR, they're gonna shut down the Upper East Side during rush hour. So this is Obama demanding that we get back to seriousness now, enough of silly season, he flies off to do the interview with Oprah.
Captain Hate

Is somebody promulgating Teh Protocols of the Elders of Zion National Park?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Sara,

Thanks for further revealing yourself.

The depth of the ignorance of your comment is stunning. You know nothing. But, why engage when you can so quickly answer your own questions?

Find soneone else to call out. I'll be busy with my horse.

You really are a piece of work. Make derogatory statements, call someone out, and then try to turn it around and make the person calling you on it the ignorant bad guy. You have learned the Obama lessons well.

Ignatz

--Moreover, I don't care if Mormons have wild ideas about Jesus if a Mormon would be a good President.--

Me neither. As Luther said, "I'd rather be ruled by a competent Turk than an incompetent Christian".

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