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Charlie (Colorado)

"Give Us All Your Change"

Charlie (Colorado)

?Nice little country you have here -- shame if something happened to it."

Charlie (Colorado)

"Vote Early, Vote Often"

Charlie (Colorado)

Okay, so the last one is an old standard....

Charlie (Colorado)

The Ed Schultz favorite -- "Voting for someone else would be unpatriotic. Stop laughing, I mean it."

Bring Bush!  Who needs him, we got two Obamas.

Something for everyone, the pre-Inauguration Obama and the post-Inauguration Bush clone.
=============

What blunderbuss?

So who's gonna get Joe's spot just in front of the hind wheels?
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Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

How about "Obama's the One". It is so him, and It worked for Nixon in 1968

Thomas Collins

A Michelle Approved Vegetable in Every Pot, and a Government Motors Hybrid in Every Garage.

glenda

aaarghhh!

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

Paul Ryan is unveiling his budget on Fox AWS.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Having Holder kick off the campaign may have been a mistake. If you saw Debbie Burlingame on Fox this morning, she certainly thinks so. She was justifiably indignant at the performance of The One and Holder and was particularly worried that Holder's remarks yesterday were a signal to the "human rights" community to begin trashing the military tribunal system.

Janet the Lion of Arlington

A Michelle Approved Vegetable in Every Pot, and a Government Motors Hybrid in Every Garage.

Very good! Hah!

Danube of Thought

Justice Black's concurring opinion indicates no such thing. The case involved the right to a jury trial (not citizenship), and the view expressed by Black was that the 14th Amendment should be read as incorporating the entire Bill of Rights under its Due Process Clause.

It is quite remarkable what crackpots will attempt to do with the language of judicial opinions.

Ignatz

I predict Obama's 2012 campaign will largely ignore the Republican nominee and instead concentrate on running against the 2008 Obama campaign.

Neo

But Team Boehner flipped the script last night and came up with an audacious counter offer. Rather than prorated cuts of $2 billion a week in exchange for continuing resolutions, Boehner’s budget team is offering up a $12 billion slash in exchange for just one week of continued operations.

Now, the three-day clock that Democrats believed would trap Boehner creates a scheduling problem for Obama. Unless Democrats want to have to vote down a $12 billion cuts plan and shut down the government, they need to come up with an offer that Boehner likes today.

MayBee

Obama 2012: Because the country can't survive another learning curve

Jim Ryan

Obama '12
He's Not Some Old White Dude

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

Neo,

That Boehner is pretty smart.

Old Lurker

"Keep your Change. Send us the Folding Money"

Danube of Thought

All this back-and-forth about whether to cut $33 billion or $61 billion or whatever is a really marginal side-show. What dwarfs it in importance is what Paul Ryan is proposing.

I have real doubts that an electoral majority in this country has the stomach for it.

PD

Wouldn't it be nice to have a president who believed in this country?

Saw a car yesterday with a "Thank you, President Bush" bumper sticker.

PD

A caller to Rush last week had a good idea. She said that if the Democrats object to $30B in cuts, the Republications should come back eith $60B.

If they object to that, come back with $90B. Etc.

Eventually, the Democrats might get the hint.

Of course, this requires Republicans who don't acquiesce to the principle of playing by Dem rules.

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

WEll we need to start that campaign DOT. Have you decided what tea party you will attend on 4-15?

clarice

A little ray of sunshine:
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 48% of Likely U.S. Voters say when it comes to the major issues facing the country, their views are closer to the average Tea Party member as opposed to the average member of Congress. Just 22% say their views are closest to those of the average congressman. Even more (30%) aren’t sure

Threadkiller

DoT, do you not read the links before you comment on them? You have missed the significance.

Porchlight

Obama 2012 slogans-

bgates had some gems yesterday on the Google thread.

You can also search Twitter for #Obama2012slogans and find some great ones, like these from Iowahawk, which I can't help reproducing in near entirety, they're so awesome:


I Finally Got Some of That Experience You Were Bitching About

You Have My Word On It: Three Wars, Tops

I've Made Sensible Reductions In My Golf Handicap

I Had a 3.8 GPA at Harvard

A Second Term Will Make a Great Topic For My 4th Autobiography

I'm an Acquired Taste

Confident Smugness For An Uncertain World

Ask Me About Low-Cost Rental Mobs For Your Next Annual Job Review

Give Me a Second Chance, And I'll Prove You Are Worthy of Me

Admit It, You've Got Morbid Curiosity About What I'll Do Next

No Matter What Crisis I Cause, I Will Remain Serenely Above It

You Can't Fool All the People All The Time, So Shoot For 50.1%

Hold My Chardonnay and Watch This

Now With Gravitas-Enhancing Gray Temples


and my favorite:

I Came Here To Kick Ass and Chew Arugula, and I've Got Plenty of Arugula

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

I have real doubts that an electoral majority in this country has the stomach for it.

Me too. The number of voters dependent on government is perilously close to the number of those keeping government afloat.

Danube of Thought

You have missed the significance.

I read the link, and I read the Duncan opinion. It has no significance.

Threadkiller

How about:

Doing a job to America that an American wouldn't do.

Porchlight

All this back-and-forth about whether to cut $33 billion or $61 billion or whatever is a really marginal side-show. What dwarfs it in importance is what Paul Ryan is proposing.

True, but per Ryan, he is working together with Boehner on this. Ryan is not trying to be like Rand Paul in saying "these guys are playing tiddlywinks, you should be taking my advice." The plan is small ball first, then the big stuff.


I have real doubts that an electoral majority in this country has the stomach for it.

So do I, but the pain will come sooner or later.

hit and run

Obama 2012
Scope-Unlimited Kinetic Militant Governmental Action

Hugh Dudgeon

One of the Repub Senators (or 'trixes - actually would be great if it were one of the twins - ain't gonna happen, I know) needs to go onto the floor of the Senate and push back hard against the recent Reid/Schumer "extreme", Cowboy poetry, "starve granny" rhetoric. Doesn't really matter which one, as long as he can string 4-5 well-formed sentences together and deliver it with some passion that demonstrates that they "get it" - it being the dire circumstances the Republic is in and coming into. The freshmen, Rubio and Paul, have already demonstrated they are capable. In someways, it would be better coming from someone in leadership, presenting it partially as a mea culpa for his formerly errant spending. Maybe a joint presentation with Tom Coburn.
anyway, DoT is correct, and a lot more selling needs to be done.

Neo

Fore! More Years

matt

One of the busiest weeks of the year for us, but the news seems to be accelerating out of control. Petraeus to CIA? Really? Panetta to DoD? The AG having a temper tantrum on national television; a political hack as national Security Advisor; floating the name of a human rights hack like Samantha Power as SecState? come on?

The latter wrote that the genocides in Armenia, Nazi Germany, Cambodia, and Rwanda occurred because governments averted their eyes. I guess Hitler and Himmler and Eichmann and Pol Pot and and the Grand Vizier had nothing to do with the establishment and execution of state policy.

In Europe, the talk is of Ireland's impending implosion and various countries hiving off of the Euro.

In China, 30-40% of the workers who went home for lunar new year failed to return despite wage increases mandated by local governments augmented by market driven increases that boosted wages 20-25%. Companies are looking elsewhere rapidly. The 25% increase in the value of the RMB is a double whammy event, along with skyrocketing commodities prices.

Naw, nothing could go wrong. Remain calm. All is well.

Danube of Thought

I'm not a praying man. On the other hand, I'm praying for Prosser in Wisconsin.

anduril

I liked the way Steve Sailer laughed off Michael Isikoff's daft notion that Newt Gingrich could get in trouble with Evangelicals for taking Sheldon Adelson's gambling derived millions:

Eh, a little gambling ... Gingrich will just tell the evangelicals that Adelson is also Bibi Netanyahu's financial angel, so he's helping bring the End Times, and everything will be all right.

I guess you could say this is one of those situations in which the end justifies the means. < /punning>

Sue

As gasoline prices soar, every republican in the country needs to repeat, until the idiots get it, drill baby drill. Dear gawd, I'm sick of hearing how it will take 10 years for drilling to be of benefit to us. 10 years later.

Gmax

Most of the political maneuvering is not over the dollar amounts of this year cuts, but the RIDERS, which is the means by which Republicans are proposing to defund PP for instance.

Its clear the Republicans will get at least one, that is a prohibition on the EPA usurping the authority of Congress to legislate on emissions of CO2.

clarice

matt, why didn't the Chinese workers return to work?

Threadkiller

Fine.

This is what I gathered from the link. Justice Black ,to make a determination of what the 14th amendment meant, with regard to the case in front of him, made this statement:


“Professor Fairman’s “history” relies very heavily on what was not said in the state legislatures that passed on the Fourteenth Amendment. Instead of relying on this kind of negative pregnant, my legislative experience has convinced me that it is far wiser to rely on what was said, and, most importantly, said by the men who actually sponsored the Amendment in the Congress. I know from my years in the United States Senate that it is to men like Congressman Bingham, who steered the Amendment through the House, and Senator Howard, who introduced it in the Senate, that members of Congress look when they seek the real meaning of what is being offered. And they vote for or against a bill based on what the sponsors of that bill and those who oppose it tell them it means.

If we are to believe Black made his decision based on the meaning as defined by the authors of the amendment are we then supposed to ignore any other definitions given to us by those same authors?

Here is what Howard said on the floor during debate of the 14th:

“That means ‘subject to the complete jurisdiction thereof.’ What do we mean by ‘complete jurisdiction thereof? Not owing allegiance to anybody else. That is what it means.”

And here is what Bingham said regarding Natural Born:

“All from other lands, who by the terms of [congressional] laws and a compliance with their provisions become naturalized, are adopted citizens of the United States; all other persons born within the Republic, of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty, are natural born citizens. Gentleman can find no exception to this statement touching natural-born citizens except what is said in the Constitution relating to Indians.”


--“ It is quite remarkable what crackpots will attempt to do with the language of judicial opinions.”--

I find it far more remarkable when the language is dismissed.

… it is far wiser to rely on what was said, and, most importantly, said by the men who actually sponsored the Amendment in the Congress.

I guess it is far eaiser to rely on insults.

PD

One of the Repub Senators (or 'trixes - actually would be great if it were one of the twins - ain't gonna happen, I know) needs to go onto the floor of the Senate and push back hard against the recent Reid/Schumer "extreme", Cowboy poetry, "starve granny" rhetoric.

Would that one of them would play on the Senate floor the recording of Schumer talking about the instructions he was given about using the word "extreme," not realizing the reporters were listening in.

Danube of Thought

"I guess it is far eaiser to rely on insults."

It's better still to rely on an understanding of statutory, constitutional and judicial interpretation. Without such an understanding, there is no limit to the absurdity of the conclusions that can be reached.

Threadkiller

How does Black's statement get interpreted properly?

Comanche Voter

Cheap political opportunism by Obama and the Holder crowd? Say it ain't so Joe!

That's a cue for Joe Scarborough to say that it "ain't so", and like a good little lapdog, he'll answer the cue.

Neo

Arizona Sheriff Questions Napolitano’s Claim That Border Is More Secure Than Ever

(CNSNews.com) - Do fewer apprehensions along the U.S.-Mexico border really reflect a lower number of illegal crossings? Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano says yes, but an Arizona sheriff says no.
This certainly explains that recent story about federal border/immigration agents being told not to make arrests

PD

The natural born topic might die if you folks would stop responding to it.

hit and run

Neo:
Fore! More Years

That one's actually Obama-approved:

Obama's Focus: Fore More Years

PD

This certainly explains that recent story about federal border/immigration agents being told not to make arrests

Similarly, we can make crime go down by telling the cops to spend more time in the donut shops.

clarice

From Iraq Vets for Congress--
A great example is Lt. Col. Allen West (FL-22). Yesterday the House unanimously approved a bill sponsored by the battle-tested Army officer that would cut the Defense Department's printing costs by $35.7 million.
Said West "We all still rely on paper. But I do not understand why we need examples of these highly expensive glossy color briefing slides and slick books that DOD sends over here."
West’s bill passed by a vote of 393 to 0. It cuts the Pentagon's proposed $357-million printing costs for the next fiscal year by 10 percent, or $35.7 million.
A simple, common sense idea by IVC’s Allen West just saved taxpayers a bundle.
IVC’s mission is to simultaneously keep Allen West and those like him in Congress while electing more honorable military veterans who will fight taxes and spending with the same tenacity and determination they demonstrated when fighting our nation’s enemies.

Danube of Thought

In all of the discussions about what factors may influence Obama's 2012 chances, no one seems to mention the debt and the deficit. I think if this clown insists on doing nothing significant in the next 18 months, I think he'll have a real problem.

Turnout in Wisconsin may approach that of last November, per FNC.

clarice

wow--I hope that turnout is good for Prosser.
DoT gas is going up, food is going up, people still can' sell their houses...and he just backed off Gitmo and the trials and now Libya. What more does i ake o persuade people?

MayBee

Obama will run against the specter of how bad a Republican would make it.

MarkO

MayBee, Specter is a bad Republican.

Danube of Thought

Jeez--even the effete, impudent snob David Brooks recognizes Ryan's proposal for what it is, and has a number of nice things to say about it. He also suggests that it poses an acid test for the man with the sharp crease.

What would Reinhold Niebuhr say about it?

Extraneus

He'll blame all of his failures on the "mess" he was "left" with, but if the Republicans nominate someone with the stones to go after Obama, his days are numbered.

Jack is Back!

Neo,

Shouldn't it read: Fore! More Years of Blaming Bush?

Elliott

It seems they held off on the budget showdown until the re-election announcement.

MayBee

Doris Kearns Goodwin on Fox talking about Obama's reelection chances (good!) without mentioning what garbage her fawning over Obama's "Team of Rivals" turned out to be.

PaulL

DoT:

Jay Cost, March 25: "I am increasingly of the opinion that the budget deficit might be the number one problem for this president in his reelection bid."

LUN

PaulL

More Jay Cost from that column:

"I’ll make the following prediction. If there is nothing that President Obama and his team can do to resolve the budget deficit problem between now and next November, and if it does indeed figure largely in the campaign, we should expect a highly negative reelection campaign from the president. Perhaps it will not be on the order of LBJ in 1964, but it probably will be more negative than what Bill Clinton put forth in 1996 or George W. Bush offered in 2004. Republican efforts to rein in the budget deficit will be cast again and again as the party's perfidious attempt to realize its 80-year dream of destroying the social safety net.

"What else can the president and his team do, now that CBO says his budget would create a $1.2 trillion deficit in 2012?"

Threadkiller

PD, I have a lot riding on Black’s statement. Will you give DoT permission to show why Black’s words do not mean what I think they mean?

I will drop NBC for this thread.

Thank you.

Rob Crawford

The hardest questions the press will ask the president this election cycle:

"What brand clubs do you use?"

"What do you think was your least successful decision?"

"How about that Joe Biden?"

"Just how monstrous are your opponent's policies?"

"Do you believe you could be more awesome?"

"Do you mind if I don't swallow?"

Danube of Thought

Interesting item from Cost. My sense is that people are coming around to the understanding that something drastic simply has to be done, and they will be largely immune to the demagoguery.

Captain Hate

He'll blame all of his failures on the "mess" he was "left" with, but if the Republicans nominate someone with the stones to go after Obama, his days are numbered.

During the campaign (which never really stopped so it's difficult to use that as a time marker) he stated that he had a new way of doing things that threw all the old time lags in the crapper so anybody with even a barely discernible level of savoir faire should be able to roll him on that. Although that's a tall order for whatever turd sandwich the Repub party will eventually serve us under the guise of prime rib.

PD

Doris Kearns Goodwin on Fox

Were her remarks original or recycled without attribution?

Ignatz

--He'll blame all of his failures on the "mess" he was "left" with--

This is something I've been thinking about lately and haven't heard anyone bring up.
Dems point out Bush's final budget had over a trillion dollar deficit, thanks in large part to TARP.
But we are also told that TARP was a great investment and the gov actually made a profit it on it. Now, I have made my distaste for TARP clear, but if what is said about it is true, a more proper accounting would attribute that supposed profit to Bush's budget deficit, when the liability was incurred, and stop giving Barry credit for a profit made by the taking on by Bush of the original TARP liability, masking what are in reality even larger deficits incurred by Barry.

PD

PD, I have a lot riding on Black’s statement. Will you give DoT permission to show why Black’s words do not mean what I think they mean?

Nobody, including you, needs my permission. But I have noticed that even people who participate in the topic alternate between wanting it to end, and keeping it going by replying.

MarkO

To me, the central problem for Republicans is that no serious, competent, successful person wants to have his or her life destroyed in an effort to become President.
Today's costs are simply too large. We will find ourselves voting for inexperienced, unknown, untested, unqualified candidates. All the others have said or done something disqualifying.

Ignatz

OT but good article by Peter Wallison at AEI calling for the repeal of the Dodd Frank monstrosity.

Threadkiller

Thanks PD. I do let the topic rage sometimes and I try to better recognize when it has gassed out.

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

Wow Dot that is great. It is hard for me to believe that union support is that great.

Threadkiller

I will try...

maryrose

MarkO
We have not yet seen the candidate for the republicans to run against Obama. Someone is going to go for it and take the dems by surprise. We have all the reason to be hopeful because all of our bad candidates have already run. Ex: Dole, McCain etc..We don't need to fear Obummer. His failure in all areas has preceded him and he has no place to hide.I'll give him his media 15 points but after that he's a shell.

Danube of Thought

"We will find ourselves voting for inexperienced, unknown, untested, unqualified candidates. All the others have said or done something disqualifying."

Romney has a real albatross in his MA health plan, and he doesn't seem to have found a way to handle it. Maybe the best approach would be to say "if elected, I will sign a repeal of Obamacare" and let it go at that.

maryrose

TK;
I love you but you are beating a dead horse. All will be revealed in time just like it was with Clinton and Lewinsky.

lyle

"Do you mind if I don't swallow?"

"I, mean, like...we did that last time for you, right? Remember that?"


hit and run

Fun with Gallup Job Approval numbers.

Obama just recently passed his 800th day in office.

It has been roughly 500 days since Obama first dropped below 50% in the job approval rating.

Yes,it was roughly 300 days into his presidency -- less than a year -- that Obama went negative.

At this point in his presidency,Bush was still approximately 300 days away from first cross under 50% in the job approval rating.

Yes,it was roughly 1,100 days into his presidency -- over three years -- before Bush had less than majority approval.

Jack is Back!

The biggest problem facing a republican contender to take on Obama, the way this thread is encouraging, is being called a racist by the MFM. Once, someone goes after, the brother, he or she will be painted with the same brush they have been using on the Tea Party, Scott Walker and Arizona. Then if someone gets really objective with Bambi and his principles or lack of them, they will bring out the big guns - Hitler, Stalin and Bush. Katie Couric will be long gone but Charlie Gibson will still be there, with is reading glasses perched professorially on his proboscis, asking questions only he can answer wrong.

But I think if its a Republican governor or ex-governor and not a senator they will go full chest bump against him and make him very uncomfortable. Attack his decision making, his judgement, his leadership and his regard for America's place in the world. Hit him where it hurts - his ego.

 centralcal

From Robert Costa at NRO (who is on the ground in WI):

A source close to Prosser e-mails: “We are seeing high turnout, both in expected places and areas that are an unexpected surprise.”

Let us hope they are "pleasant" surprises!!!

lyle

I don't think the Mendacious Mulatto (tip o' the hat to whoever coined that gem) will get reelected. But, having thought about this a bit, I don't care if he gets another term IF the Rs get huge majorities in both houses. Like, say...veto over-riding majorities. Can you say lame duck Jan. 2013 for at least two years?

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

I'll take a crack at it, TK. While Black's statement is interesting, it has little bearing on the issue you are discussing for at least 3 reasons:

It was made in a case that has nothing to do with citizenship; it was about the 14th Amendment

It was made in a dissenting opinion (that is, the majority of the Justices didn't agree with it even when he made it.; there is no reason to believe the majority of today's SCOTUS would be oersuaded

Bingham made the statement you highlight in connection with the passage of the 14th Amendment for which he was floor manager. The natural born citizen requirement was part of the original Constitution and is totally unrelated to the 14th Amendment. Bingham, of course had nothing whatever to do with the original Constitution. His opinion is no more persuasive to a court than DOT's, yours or mine would be. No lawyer would suggest otherwise before any court with a straight face.


Captain Hate

Please, I'm begging you; no more Repub senators for President.

henry

CC- high turnout was expected in Madison (close mayor race), Milwaukee (county exec race), Racine (mayor race, and school district referendum) - all places leaning left. Unexpected surprises would be anywhere else and likely good for Prosser, e.g Waukesha County (the one conservative area with a big population).

lyle

Please, I'm begging you; no more Repub senators for President.

Exactly! Listen, elephants, its nobody's "turn." You don't get a bye into the tourney because you've "been around."

Jack is Back!

All of a sudden we are seeing more negative Obama bumper stickers down here on the first coast of Florida. My favorite still is "01-21-13: End of an Error".

Threadkiller

It was the concurring opinion. Not the dissenting opinion. BLACK, J., Concurring Opinion
SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES


Does that make it a useable statement, even if I may have used it incorrectly?

Jack is Back!

By the numbers, here is Ryan's plan at LUN.

Click on the link at "here" end of Stiles column for Obama's plan. AoSHQ calls it a plan vs. a punchline.

Jack is Back!

Yowza! RNC parody gets 5 times the views as Obama's re-election ad. LUN

P.s. Read what Ben Smith says at the end of the energy being more like 2010 than 2008. And this is Politico.

Jane (sit on the couch or save your country)

Bambi is on Fox blaming republicans for the government shut down - I think. I really can't bear to listen.

Ranger

Via Instapundit:

Parody gets more views than real Obama launch

The National Republican Senatorial Committee's parody of Obama's 2012 campaign, released Friday, now has 665,000 views on YouTube.

Obama's real launch video, released yesterday: Just 168,000.

YouTube's metrics tend to lag a bit, but the numbers suggest that -- energy-wise -- we're in 2010, not 2008.

And from the comments:

Obama official: 2,107 likes, 1,684 dislikes, Parody: 2,875 likes, 695 dislikes, 5 to 4 likes vs dislikes for the official, and 4 to 1 likes vs dislikes on the parody. Pretty overwhelming for where the "fun factor" is.

Posted By: Mike | April 05, 2011 at 11:27 AM

pagar

The US campaigns we currently see are worse than those ran in 3rd world countries around the world. Scott Brown says the Democrats have operatives digging thru the health records of his entire family. Meanwhile, anyone attempting to find out the slightest facts about Obama or are silenced or sent to prison. For over three years at least we have known that Obama can not or will not produce a birth certificate, education records, travel records, medical records etc, and yet here we sit, preparing to go thru another campaign with a person who cannot prove he is eligible to hold the office.
We have Americans sitting in military prisons, their lives destroyed because they feel that is the only way to bring the matter to resolution. We have American citizens going to trial, fired and put on probation for trying to find out what Obama is hiding in his education records. Posters on conservative blogs like JOM are told to quit bringing the subject up. US Courts claim that US citizens have no standing to bring the matter up.

What would Chavez, Castro and other leftists leaders do differently?

PD

Madison City Clerk reporting 17% turnout so far.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

TK:

The short answer is no. Like dissenting opinions, concurring opinions by definition do not command approval from the rest of the Court. The other reasons I listed remain accurate.

Threadkiller

Samuel Johnson had nothing to do with the Constitution, let alone with the founding of the U.S.

Johnson denounced English supporters of American separatists as "traitors to this country", and hoped that the matter would be settled without bloodshed, but that it would end with "English superiority and American obedience".

But Scalia relies on him to help define “keep and bear arms” in District of Columbia v Heller

He goes on to quote a great many scholars and writers from prior, during, and post American Revolution. Should he have never used their opinions? What can be used in court to define a term?

Bingham stated the definition of “natural born” on the house floor and it went without any debate or objection. If he had offered the definition of “keep and bear arms” to an equal acceptance, would Scalia have been able to use it frame the popular understanding of the term?

Threadkiller

Thanks Jim, that makes sense.

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