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Neo

Obama ended the primary birther hysteria because, after two weeks into the "War on Ryan" campaign, he hadn't made a noticeable dent in audience appreciation. What was worse was that his own minions in the media were working against his new campaign while they prolonged the "birther" saga with their attempts to embarrass various Republicans.
Instead of making Ryan and his budget the primary point of the current media narrative, the "birther" saga was letting other news, like high energy prices, slip into the news.
Meanwhile, various independents were showing there were susceptible to the "birther" doubts, while seniors were the group who now most embraced the Ryan budget. It was like Obama was invisible, a narcissistic death sentence.

Neo

Obama's Presidential Library would never see these documents

It wouldn't matter if they ever saw them because the entire library would be kept under lock and key until the end of man.

MarkO

Again, I say:

The “ineligibility” solution to the Obama problem has left the building. Further energy expounded on this or anything like it, including grades (which in all likelihood were wildly inflated) will serve only to separate the serious from those who still believe OJ was innocent.

Obama is manifestly incompetent, but the proof of that lies not in buried Occidental transcripts or further examination of the racist policies of Harvard Law School, but in cold analysis of his policies and the joy of “leading from behind.” If he cannot be defeated on that basis, then the challenger will have been worse even than McCain. The Democrats have bribed nearly enough voters to keep them in power indefinitely, which was one of the purposes of both the stimuli and the Obamacare insertion. That’s why, to be clear, no Democrat cared even to read it. It just didn’t matter. The point was collecting voters, not improving the economy or “reforming” health care.

The more good people argue about irrelevant but interesting gossip, the more likely Obama will be our master after 2012.

Appalled

TM:

Y'know, I was going to write a long response to this post, but MarkO came up with such an eloquent and on point response, that I do not feel the need to bother.

Obama now has a record. Concentrate on that.

Extraneus

I would agree with that, MarkO, but for the elephant in the room: Affirmative Action. If Obama's LSAT were to be outed somehow, and show him to be as mediocre as we all think it would show, then Trump's insinuation will have been proven. And a lot of parents of highly-intelligent, hard-working white students - who don't have a prayer of getting into Harvard - will be even more pissed off than they already are. I think this would be a great thing, because I think AA is the biggest root-cause for the decline of our country, a complete repudiation of our founding principles, and a conspiracy that has infected every facet of our society.

Ignatz

--I know it was politically savvy because, by the rules of jujitsu, Obama allowed the nutty right (is there any other variety with influence now?) to make fools of themselves.--

Can Sullivan produce for us a list of influential Republican leaders, congressmen or Presidential candidates, with the exception of Trump who may or may not be described as an influential Republican and may or may not be a candidate, who were anything other than dismissive of this issue?
Even the influential media types and talk show hosts were very largely dismissive of it.
It must make writing columns much easier when you get to fill columns with junk you just make up on the spot.

MayBee

I find it so serendipitous that Obama is nursing his wounds over the unfair birther accusations on the same day he names General Betray-Us as his CIA chief.

Ignatz

Even if Barry's records proved him to be a complete AA hack who ought to be working at the car wash the 2012 elections wouldn't turn on that.

clarice

I'm beginning to think there's a secret blogger slush fund to keep Sullivan employed and churning out carp for them to write about whenever there's a dull day on the rialto.

Danube of Thought

I heartily second MarkO and Appalled.

Gas over $4. Several wars (depends on how you count), none going particularly well. A nightmarish, statist healthcare statute. Inflation looming. And etc.

The focus on this tangential crap is insane. (But I do indeed love the target practice.)

Extraneus

I should have said "don't have a prayer of getting into Harvard, especially on a scholarship," since Obama told us about that only last week.

bgates

Let’s say what is plainly true (and what the President himself is reluctant to say): these rumors...are designed to arouse a fear of the Other

I count three lies right there.

maybe these rumors persist because people think Obama has lied about his past and gotten a pass from a love-sick media

Could also be because extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. The press will accept any fantastical claim about Obama at face value if it's positive ("he's the smartest person who ever attended Harvard! he singlehandedly turned Chicago into a model of good government! his deep personal knowledge of and profound respect for Islam will reconcile America and the Muslim world, the fact that his supporters think it's a slur to suggest he isn't a devout Christian notwithstanding!")

Porchlight

I disagree somewhat, MarkO. If the polling on the birth issue was hurting Obama, as evidenced by the BC release to stop the bleeding, then it was hurting him, period.

I see voter unease about "unserious" issues to be a symptom, not a cause, of unease about Obama generally. His competence, his good faith, his level of dedication to the job, his willingness to be transparent - all are in question. This unease expresses itself in various ways, the birther issue being one of many. Just because the BC was released doesn't mean the unease is going to evaporate among the electorate.

Certainly the GOP field and all high-level strategists must hammer Obama on fiscal issues, energy issues, foreign policy issues, and the rest. If they want to ignore the "unserious" questions, fine. But serious or not, those questions do resonate with voters, and voters will factor them in come November 2012. Yesterday was direct evidence of that.

MarkO

Clarice, I don't think it is a secret. The principal issue for the expanded media is content. It must be filled.

narciso

Sullivan is a fool, albeit a very well compensated one, the less amusing part is the lack of due scrutiny seen in Kornbluth's ridiculous profile for the Harvard Magazine,


Danube of Thought

Gallup at 43/48 today.

clarice

Actually, until obama is made to crash to earth, I think it harder to get folks in the muddle to consider his godawful record. I cannot tell you how many otherwise intelligent people swooned over him and still are reluctant to honestly evaluate his performance because they are stuck on the media megaphones hagiography of him.


Of course, we should concentrate on his record of no achievements but bad ones, but practically speaking, it is a good idea for people like Trump to hammer away at every bit of the mysterious background--as they certainly do of his potential opponents.

Danube of Thought

I don't have much doubt that his SAT's, LSAT and undergraduate performance are mediocre, and my guess is he was probably an AA admission to HLS and to the Law Review. Having got on the Review, it is very easy to see how he could get himself elected president.

But he did graduate Magna. That's hard to dismiss out of hand. I can imagine some faculty help in that regard, but as far as I know the exams are still written in the blind--the prof doing the grading doesn't know whose bluebook he's looking at.

MarkO


Porch, I'm not suggesting that Obama should not be challenged, often and forcefully. That may be the single thing we learned from Trump and CertGate. Obama's skin is so thin he could be a hemophiliac. Trump's willingness to play the role of a noisy, entitled, smarter-than-thou challenger is, in my view, a good thing.

We need to stop treating Obama as if he were a disabled child. "You can't say those things about Obama, sweet little thing that he is. Bless his heart. You don't like the disabled black president, you racist. You want to embarrass him by asking him about his painful past. He's just like the rest of us, only disabled. Don't ask. Let him be."

Old Lurker

I don't care. Obama is awesome.


:-)

Extraneus

Even if Barry's records proved him to be a complete AA hack who ought to be working at the car wash the 2012 elections wouldn't turn on that.

I expect the Democrats to attack Sarah Palin mercilessly on her less-than-stellar academic record. And surely there were plenty of people who voted for Obama based on his supposedly superior intellect.

As that England study showed last week, people have a visceral reaction to unfairness. What if Sarah Palin's SAT scores were higher than Obama's? I bet that could easily turn the election.

Nobody likes being lied to.

MarkO

Although I don't believe it to be true, Obama could be really smart, but he would still be a liar and an awful president.

In that way he would be like Wilson. The volleyball.

Was that racist. Hey, I like basketball. (I didn't know until yesterday that suggestion that someone liked to play basketball was akin to using the "N" word.)

Ignatz

--but practically speaking, it is a good idea for people like Trump to hammer away at every bit of the mysterious background--as they certainly do of his potential opponents--

That's all well and good as long as chumps like Trump are seen as heckling him from the cheap seats, not guys up in the polls and talking about running for Pres.
When that happens the stupidity threatens to derail the serious work of crushing Barry's grapes on his gawdawful record.
How much have we or the country discussed Libya, gas prices, the deficit and debt bombs and a hundred other killer issues the last few days?

MarkO

It didn't seem to help GWB when it was shown that his grades were better than Lurch or Algore. The appropriate theme is that Democrats are highly intelligent (so they can use smart diplomacy, smart phones and smart bombs), while Republicans are dim-witted, slow and unfathomably rich.

Captain Hate

I wonder how many of Sully's blog hits are by people that click to laugh at, not with, him for beclowning himself.

clarice

DoT, things have changed a lot since you went there. Hardly any of his classmates have come forward to my knowledge. No one remembers him--and certainly no one of his classmates considered him a star.He became President of HLS as an AA--rather like Susan Estrich before him. Though she does seem somewhat more intelligent than he is, her rape and her writing about it was her ticket to ride until after graduation she managed the Dukakis campaign into history.

Captain Hate

It didn't seem to help GWB when it was shown that his grades were better than Lurch or Algore. The appropriate theme is that Democrats are highly intelligent (so they can use smart diplomacy, smart phones and smart bombs), while Republicans are dim-witted, slow and unfathomably rich.

It didn't demonstrably hurt because GWB beat those two dumbbells. This is probably another Jay Cost situation in that what the MFM says isn't a reflection of where the general population is.

Porchlight

Trump's willingness to play the role of a noisy, entitled, smarter-than-thou challenger is, in my view, a good thing.

MarkO,

I'm glad we agree on that. But you seemed to me to be suggesting in your comment that we should stick to cold analysis of his policies and records. Trump was not doing that, or not primarily doing that. And yet he got results.

Many people said months if not years ago that the birther issue could not possibly hurt Obama because it was ridiculous. If anything, it would help him. But it turns out that Trump's megaphone on it did hurt Obama. So how can one so confidently conclude that "irrelevant and interesting gossip" (by which I take you to mean issues similar to the BC issue) is the wrong way to go?

If you're saying that *sole* focus on such gossipy issues is the wrong way to go, I agree. But that's a bit of a strawman, because no one is seriously advocating it.

I guess I advocate hammering on Obama from every which direction. The GOP field can take a higher road, others can focus on the background, the temperament, the golf, the partying, the constant vacations, the smug attitude, etc. It all has its place.

It takes many kinds of personnel and multiple avenues of attack to win a war. The point is that we have to really go at him like Trump did - the mealy-mouthed "my worthy opponent" carp that McCain tried in 2008 won't work at all.

Neo

Speaking of Gas over $4.

“Our customers are running out of money, buying smaller pack sizes and less discretionary items near the end of the month,” [Walmart CEO] Duke said. “It shows greater pressure on consumers. Rising fuel price has been one of the factors that affect consumer spending. The end of paycheck cycle is pronounced among our core customers.”

This isn't just bad for Obama, it's political Armageddon

Ignatz

--What if Sarah Palin's SAT scores were higher than Obama's? I bet that could easily turn the election.--

Well, there was nothing on his BC, so experience should demonstrate that the more likely "what if" is what if his are higher than hers or whoever else he runs against?
Then an election that ought to be about his awfulness, for which there is no defense, is instead about his brilliance for which he would have just provided substantial evidence at the insistence of his opponents.
Dumb game with little upside.
As a president he's a failure. That's all anyone needs to hear for the next 18 months.

Extraneus
“I thought of him much more as a colleague” than a student, said Laurence Tribe, a law professor at Harvard for whom Mr. Obama worked. “I didn’t think of him as someone to send out on mechanical tasks of digging out all the cases.” Other students could do that, Professor Tribe added.
Appalled

If Obama or his acolytes in the meida make an issue of the GOP candidate's grades, then it is appropriate for there to be demands for Obama's grades. Otherwise, I don't see the point. Theose grades really do not prove anything.

Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

LegalInsurrection has covered numerous instances of white men whose birth data was questioned. One instance in the LUN, it has some related links at the end and some others are suggested in the comments.

Porchlight

As a president he's a failure. That's all anyone needs to hear for the next 18 months.

I agree he's a failure, but the obvious counter to that is "Bush's fault." The Dems have a very easy time making that argument and it is difficult to refute without getting into the wonky weeds.

I think people need to hear that he's a failure. I also think that they need to hear a lot of other things about him. Multiple approaches are possible.

MarkO

Porch, I really should have been specific to further efforts on the birth certificates and the academic reconrds, including LSAT. No doubt in my mind, there are folks who have written here today whose scores were far higher than Obamas, but that's just not going to defeat him. At least, I don't think so.

But, if the media won't hound him and if he remains "disabled," someone has to call him out and be vilified by his media pals. It's all good for Trump and if it gives some spine to the Republicans, so much the better. It's not as if Obama is unwilling to hector, scold and defame, now is it?

MarkO

I blame my keyboard. I won't being to try to clean up the typos in that post, instead I will rely on your eyes' ability to know what I mean.

C U 2morrow 4 lunch, BFF.

Foo Bar

Originally, Bill Ayers was just a guy from Obama's neighborhood

TM, you really ought to stop using the word "just" when you (inaccurately) summarize Obama's description of Ayers as just a guy in his neighborhood (you've inappropriately used that formulation in past posts, e.g. here and here). As your link to the debate transcript shows, Obama didn't use the word "just". Stephanopolous asked:

Can you explain that relationship for the voters, and explain to Democrats why it won't be a problem?

Obama replied:

This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.

It's permissible to interpret Stephanopolous' question as asking "what is your current relationship with this man?" rather than "what is the entire history of your relationship?". If you want to claim that the "why it won't be a problem" part of the question requires Obama to discuss the entire history of his relationship on the spot... maybe, but this is not indisputable.

I'm sorry, I don't see any lie here (unless you count referrring to Ayers as an English professor rather than a professor of education, which is an inconsequential mistake).

Obama does not deny anything regarding Annenberg in his response. Was he not as forthcoming as he could have been in his answer to Stephanopolous? Sure. But this is really just garden-variety politician slipperiness that you see all the time. If you want to call it a "lie by omission"- eh, maybe. It's not a bald-faced lie, though.

You really ought to make your case without using the "just a guy" formulation when you bring this up in the future.

Anyway, as you've noted in the past, Obama did freely offer up the fact that he and Ayers served on a board together later that month, in late April '08.

Porchlight

MarkO, yes, someone has to call him out. At the moment, that guy is Trump, and as some smart person here pointed out, it is quite convenient for us that Trump is not identified with the GOP establishment or the Tea Party. This confounds the MSM because they don't know how to peg him.

Janet

I totally agree with Porchlight.

I said on the other thread - There is a whole swath of people that will not follow political news, but WILL understand fraud & lies.
We can wish it weren't so, but it is. Can we expose the fraud of one of these leftist icons in real time?...or as usual, do we have to wait 20-30 yrs for a large book to be written showing Obama WAS a fraud? Think of all the leftist icon frauds that get a free pass while they are in power...it is really sickening. Che, Kennedy, Rachel Carson, Margaret Sanger, John Kerry, the sex study guy they made a movie about, Gore, Alger Hiss, Cronkite,...
I say we show he IS a fraud...now, today.

Porchlight

unless you count referrring to Ayers as an English professor rather than a professor of education, which is an inconsequential mistake

Quite the opposite. Either Obama is stupid, because at that point he'd known Ayers for more than a decade and served the Annenberg board, so he should presumably should know Ayers' profession, or he was deliberately obfuscating in order to make Ayers out to be more harmless than he is.

Rick Ballard

Clarice,

If we could define the difference in the perception of the Muddle (and particularly the Fuddle) between Clinton and Obama it would aid in determining whether continuing to focus on the President's rather obvious lack of intellectual capacity serves any purpose. I believe that the President's low and slimy character is somewhat more apparent to the Fuddle than was the Lipsucker in Chief's. He has not achieved the same rapport with the feelers and, IMO, is more susceptible to degradation through a bit of focus on his betrayal of Alice Palmer and the tactics used against Jack Ryan than through delving into the lack of intellectual ability which should have precluded his admittance to any reputable institution. I believe that the Fuddle is correctly reading him as a petulant brat with a real nasty streak who is simply unworthy of any sympathy.

The Muddle, on the whole, is going to approve or disapprove of Obama on the basis of the economy. There is no reason to believe that there will be any sightings of green shoots this spring and next spring will be too late.

I'm just hoping that he continues to rely on the sterling advice of ValJar and his Wookie, along with using every bit of the intellectual capacity personally available as he stumbles and falls into every pit before him.

MarkO

Janet, I'm up for all kinds of impeachment, but I don't recall Obama making any bold claims about his grades. His pose as a brilliant man comes from the fact that he was the first president of the HLR and from comments of those close to him. The HLR thing is a fact and pushing AA will really seem to be racist and not helpful. The fraud lies in his representation of competence which is impeached not with stale grades, but with current conditions in the economy, international relations and, as a switch, his unwillingness and inability to calm the racial divide of this country.

Ranger

If you want to call it a "lie by omission"- eh, maybe. It's not a bald-faced lie, though.

Hmmm... lets see, what did Obama "omit"?

Well, here is just a couple of things:

+ Bill Ayers hosted the event at which Obama launched his political career.

+ Bill Ayers and Obama had co-located offices at the headqaurters of the Annenberg Challenge in Chicago

Obama does not deny anything regarding Annenberg in his response.

True, but he doesn't mention it either, and that is significant because of the actual question:

Can you explain that relationship for the voters

And lets also look at this aspect of it:

I'm sorry, I don't see any lie here (unless you count referrring to Ayers as an English professor rather than a professor of education, which is an inconsequential mistake).

Given that Obama's one executive experience up to that point was running the CAC, and that Ayers was a key player in that project, mis-identifying Ayers' field is significant. Either Obama simply forgot, after working with Ayers for three plus years at CAC, that Ayers was in the field of education, or Obama deliberately missidentified Ayers in an effort to create more distance between the two of them.

This is one of those answers that really proves that the partial truth can be a terrible lie.

MayBee

and as some smart person here pointed out, it is quite convenient for us that Trump is not identified with the GOP establishment or the Tea Party.

Ha. Yesterday Anderson Cooper was interviewing Andy Card and called Trump "One of your own". Card was livid, but Cooper was aghast at the idea that it was *he* pushing the birther story. Card wanted to talk about the issues, but alas.

Porchlight

Thanks, Janet. As you always say, the MSM is the key. It is not reasonable to expect that they'll turn on him. But just look what a few cracks in the armor can do. Trump was hammering him in the news for what, three weeks? Within two of those weeks he'd gotten the ball rolling to release the BC.

He is so vulnerable. A few well-chosen arrows and lobs from the trebouchet and he will collapse. Fraud and lies open up those chinks much faster than dry speeches about policy.

Ignatz

--You really ought to make your case without using the "just a guy" formulation when you bring this up in the future.--

It's nearly impossible to interpret Obama's statement as anything other than an attempt to characterize Ayers as just-a-guy. Congrats on the attempt though.
It won't be a problem because he wasn't endorsed by Ayers and they don't exchange ideas on a regular basis; clealry the implication is he's just a guy.

--Anyway, as you've noted in the past, Obama did freely offer up the fact that he and Ayers served on a board together later that month, in late April '08.--

He didn't "freely offer up" their serving on a board together. Hillary pointed it out and when questioned about it after she did he admitted it. What was he going to do lie about something that was a matter of public record? Admitting there is more to a relationship than you have let on when you're cornered with irrefutable evidence is not "freely" doing anything.

narciso

Is it, with Clinton the 'loveable rogue' template was put forth to explain his misteps,
with Obama the adoration seems still underway,
there is a deliberate disconnect between his policies and his persona.

Rob Crawford

What if Sarah Palin's SAT scores were higher than Obama's? I bet that could easily turn the election.

We would be treated to endless tirades on the "racism" of SATs, with this as "proof" of the flaw.

The left does not view politicians as people with an odd career. Their politicians are, in their eyes, gods. They are smarter, wiser, more beautiful, more capable, just MORE than any of us Morlocks can ever hope to be. Evidence to the contrary simply does not exist in their world; you cannot accuse them of suppressing the information because as far as they're concerned it just doesn't exist.

For anyone who doubts this -- look at the practice of photographing Obama with a halo. Look at their gushing over his health and fitness -- despite him being a smoker and no where near as fit as Bush #43. Look at the utterly irrational fawning over Michelle's "fashion sense".

MayBee

Hillary pointed it out and when questioned about it after she did he admitted it.

Even then, didn't he try to pass it off as the Woods board? IIRC, "A" board together was never correct.

Let's not forget the whopper from Axelrod about knowing each other because their kids go to school together.

Ranger

Many people said months if not years ago that the birther issue could not possibly hurt Obama because it was ridiculous. If anything, it would help him. But it turns out that Trump's megaphone on it did hurt Obama. So how can one so confidently conclude that "irrelevant and interesting gossip" (by which I take you to mean issues similar to the BC issue) is the wrong way to go?

Well, Trump was the perfect agent for this type of question because he is outside the political structure. And he obviously got the timing right. The sudden and sharp rise in gas prices put people in the mood to listen in a way they never had been up until the last few weeks.

Gabriel Sutherland

Rick: The tactics used against Jack Ryan were really the motivation of the press. The Chicago Tribune and the Chicago Sun-Times(Maybe the AP too) sued in California court that Illinois voters had a right to know about Jack Ryan's divorce settlement that was sealed by a judge because a minor child was involved.

President Obama is just not all he's cracked up to be. He's a creation of people's desires to have in a President. The reality is he's just an underacheiver that has coasted through most of his life as the offspring of international bankers and oil men. He might as well be Barack Rockefeller.

I recently watch Bill Whittle's part one profile of Obama's family history. It was a great video to learn a little more about the Dunhams.

MayBee

I remember when Sir Paul McCartney made the racist joke at the White House that Bush never went to libraries.

Rob Crawford

If Obama or his acolytes in the meida make an issue of the GOP candidate's grades, then it is appropriate for there to be demands for Obama's grades.

We've heard nothing but unending praise of his "intelligence" since he eloquently read a prepared speech.

I think the assessment that he's probably just a hair above average is correct. Just that little touch above average, and never challenged and as closed-minded as a person can get and still speak to other people.

Danube of Thought

Unexpected:

U.S. economic growth slowed more than expected in the first quarter as higher food and gasoline prices dampened consumer spending, and sent a broad measure of inflation rising at its fastest pace in 2-1/2 years.
MayBee

Don't forget it wasn't just Jack Ryan. It was also Brett Hull, his Democratic challenger.

Gabriel Sutherland

Hello JOM readers. Long time, little comment, too much work.

If the press makes demands for grades for GOP candidates the appropriate response is to attack the press. Make them go pound sand.

Jim Miller

As I recall, Obama has never released his complete medical records.

But then our "mainstream" reporters are willing to let Democratic candidates get away with those omissions.

(For the record: I don't suspect that there is anything weird in Obama's medical records -- but I am almost certain that Bill Clinton's would be fascinating.)

Rob Crawford

Horrible thing I just saw at IMDB:

They're making a "Cleopatra" movie starring Angelina "Overexposed" Jolie.

*bleah*

Worse -- it looks to be a remake of the Elizabeth Taylor movie.

MarkO

I still believe it would be appropriate for any Republican to begin sessions with the media by recounting the disqualifying bias of the reporter asking the question, Cokie's dad, Chrissie's employment, George's affair with Bill and so on.

Ignatz

Janet and Porch,
You are both talking about fraud and lies.
How did this BC episode address either?
The BC showed things to be just as he said they were. Where was the fraud or lie? He could have cleared it up a long time ago but that amounts to neither and whatever political advantage is gained by it seems dubious.
As MarkO says we have a mountain of concrete evidence of his incompetence burying us every day and the lies and fraud he uses to build that mountain are more concrete and visible and important than whatever his LSAT score was years ago, a score he is under no obligation to release and in any event has never claimed a value for anyway.
Let's say his scores do stink. To most of the independents that could easily be seen as the result of his fractured upbringing, a handicap he has heroically overcome since then.
There's nothing heroic about 8 or 9% unemployment, $1.6 trillion deficits and our country again becoming a laughingstock around the world.

bgates

LOL at Foo Bar letting us know what is "permissible".

Obama does not deny anything regarding Annenberg in his response.

That would have been quite a spectacle:
George S: Can you explain that relationship for the voters, and explain to Democrats why it won't be a problem?

Barry 0: It won't be a problem because I wasn't part of the Annenberg Challenge.

George S: What's the Annenberg Challenge?

Barry 0: It doesn't matter, I wasn't part of it. Or any other attempts by radical leftists to seize control of public education.

I'm sorry, I don't see any lie here

I count two lies in that sentence fragment alone.

MayBee

I'm just glad that was FooBar and not Appalled. I was worried when I first started reading it. ;-)

clarice

Gabriel, How nice to see you again. XOXOXOXO

Sue

Good thing Foo Bar can find MediaMatters on his computer, otherwise, he'd have to do his own research.

MayBee

Obama and Ayers served together on both the Woods Fund and the Annenberg Challenge boards.

"A" board together was a lie.

MarkO

Did I ever mention that Obama was a liar?

MayBee

Here's what I love about Weigel's thinking:

And the long-form certificate proves that the COLB was legitimate and answered all reasonable questions about Obama's birth. If you were "just asking questions" about the COLB, you were not a truth-seeker. You were a fool.

The long form, now that we've seen it, proves the COLB was legitimate. Therefore it was stupid to ask to see the long form.
It's quite situational, isn't it? If the long form had hidden something (as seemed a logical assumption), then it would have been good to ask to see it??

MayBee

Plus, who did more to keep Birtherism in the news than Dave Weigel?

Janet

You are both talking about fraud and lies.
How did this BC episode address either?

Well, the reasons for not releasing the BC is one (Clarice listed these yesterday).

(1) The original was burnt in a fire
(2) The COLB is the original
(3) Abercrombie says he's seen the original in the records and will produce it--then he says it doesn't exist
(4) The Hawaiian officials using artful language suggest no one can get the original

pagar

"Good thing Foo Bar can find MediaMatters on his computer, otherwise, he'd have to do his own research."

Media Matters does research, Who Knew? I though they just take the propaganda the Communist Party of America handed them and put it on the Internet.

Extraneus

Steyn just mentioned another one.

Historian Michael Beschloss: Yeah. Even aside from the fact of electing the first African American President and whatever one’s partisan views this is a guy whose IQ is off the charts — I mean you cannot say that he is anything but a very serious and capable leader and — you know — You and I have talked about this for years …

Imus: Well. What is his IQ?

Historian Michael Beschloss: … our system doesn’t allow those people to become President, those people meaning people THAT smart and THAT capable

Imus: What is his IQ?

Historian Michael Beschloss: Pardon?

Imus: What is his IQ?

Historian Michael Beschloss: Uh. I would say it’s probably – he’s probably the smartest guy ever to become President.

JM Hanes

Foo Bar:

"It's permissible to interpret Stephanopolous' question....."

LOL!

Gabriel Sutherland

Plus, who did more to keep Birtherism in the news than Dave Weigel?Ben Smith? Fox News?

Weigel is "forced" to cover the right. It's pretty natural for humans to perform functions against their will.

Sue

pagar,

Put more simply, Foo Bar regurgitated what he found at MediaMatters on the subject. Almost word for word.

pagar

"How did this BC episode address either?"

IMO, what it really does is exposes the MSM as what they are--totally incompetent. For years now we've been feed the leftist propaganda that Obama couldn't get what every other citizen in America who mails in the proper form and the proper fee get on their own.

The fact that we have American voters who claim that it doesn't matter whether our president can produce documents that every citizen in America has to produce to comply with US laws in various areas is scary.

(Another) Barbara

Your posts this morning are even more brilliant than your usual high standard, Porchlight.

The American public has a good intuition about when things are going right with the country and things have gone wrong, but most are tuned out when the details are discussed. Surveys to determine voters' knowledge of politics reveal, year after year, decade after decade, that few can even name their representative to Congress, let alone identify correctly which party has taken which position on any issue. That's why it's much smarter for Obama to go on Oprah's show than to hit any of the Sunday morning ones. At least in that one way he understands what moves the average citizen. The press understands too, and that's why they focus on his brilliance, his nuance, his love of his family and dog, etc., and not so much on his strategies and policies. JOMers examine every domestic and foreign policy issue meticulously, but we are foolish if we believe we are typical.

MarkO

"he’s probably the smartest guy ever to become President."

This is so obviously false that an educated person reading it would dismiss the “historian” as a sham. Obama isn’t even so smart as Bill Clinton, not to mention the dozens of real intellects in the office starting with Washington and Jefferson, but this is what can pass for serious analysis when American history is replaced by Obama studies and classes on the relationship between Lincoln and the men with whom he slept.

Smart people don’t need to know the objective from the subjective case.

I do think, however, that sometimes we accept the premise when we seek complicated explanations for his past and his actions instead of grade inflation, race preference, secrecy (because at some level he is aware he is a fraud), and inexplicable decisions like the stimulus (bribes) and Obamacare (more government and bribes).

Maybe, in a way, we are the ones who have been just not that smart.

MayBee

Ha, Gabriel!
I will point out that when media outlets were evaluated, Fox News was the cable news channel that least often brought up birtherism. Ace had it yesterday.

Danube of Thought

Plus, who did more to keep Birtherism in the news than Dave Weigel?

I understand that, according to Pew, MSNBC led the way.

Gabriel Sutherland

The only answer to the question "is he the smartest President in US history" is "I cannot answer that question."

How could you possibly answer that question?

Ranger

That's why it's much smarter for Obama to go on Oprah's show than to hit any of the Sunday morning ones. At least in that one way he understands what moves the average citizen. The press understands too, and that's why they focus on his brilliance, his nuance, his love of his family and dog, etc., and not so much on his strategies and policies.

And that is why Trump did so much damage to Obama so quickly. Trump is part of the infotanement structure. Most people zone out when complex issues start getting talked about. They just look at the "tone" of the speaker to make their judgement. This is, IMHO, why Obama's budget speech tanked so bad. Obama came across as a mean partisan, rather then the "post partisan" that so many thought they had voted for.

Trump is the kind of guy that people will listen to. And Trump timed his actions perfectly, to hit that moment when people were willing to take another look at Obama because the economy is not getting any better. People were angry, and Trump was the guy calling out Obama.

MarkO

When a person blames himself for an error or misjudgment by saying, “I’m just working too hard” or “I try to do too much,” I’m taken by how virtuous even their total failures can become. “Pure” breakdowns.

The Democrats use the same methods to hide their fools and their mistakes. For Kerry, he was “nuanced.” Now, Obama is just “too complex and too smart” for the job.

Of course, neither was objectively true.

jimmyk

As frustrating as it is for conservatives to constantly have to undergo ad hominem attacks on their intelligence, educational background, etc., without the support of the MSM and the entertainment industry (which the Dems enjoy), counterattacks along the same lines will go nowhere. As MarkO and Iggy and others have said, let's focus on his record as president. This was all appropriate in 2008, but now we have 2+ years of failure and incompetence to focus on.

Gabriel Sutherland
The Democrats use the same methods to hide their fools and their mistakes. For Kerry, he was “nuanced.” Now, Obama is just “too complex and too smart” for the job.
Tell me you've read Ezra Klein's new theory.

President Obama is a Republican from 1990.

Gabriel Sutherland

If I am the Republicans, I would keep attacking Pelosi and Reid. Heavily target Senate Democrats that have enabled our fiscal debacle with out of control spending.

Obama has no political capital to absorb a head on attack of his enablers in the Congress. He can't defend them.

narciso

Ah, Ezra's always good for a laugh, but whoever is running the Post, is really coasting on Eugene Meyer's cultural capital

Danube of Thought

Here's a shocker:

WASHINGTON--White House senior advisor Valerie Jarrett said President Obama will not release his academic records, commenting a day after Obama put out his "long form" birth certificate and Donald Trump decided to press his luck by demanding Obama's college transcripts.

"We know this is nonsense," Jarrett said in an interview on The Joe Madison Show on SiriusXM on Thursday morning."He is almost 50 years old. And he is president of the United States and I don't think anybody will debate his intelligence and so now we do need to get serious...let's just get serious...get back to focusing on what's important.

Danube of Thought

If I had to guess, I'd say the smartest man to hold the office was John Q. Adams, and Lincoln would be second. I also think Clinton was very smart (if foolish). I believe both Roosevelts were actually quite stupid. There are a hell of a lot of them about whom I wouldn't hazard a guess.

jimmyk

Supposedly Nixon was very smart. There doesn't seem to be a high correlation between objective intelligence or academic credentials and performance in office. If there had been a positive correlation between credentials and performance, my guess it's shot to hell now.

Rob Crawford

"he’s probably the smartest guy ever to become President."

This is so obviously false that an educated person reading it would dismiss the “historian” as a sham.

I'll flat-out state it: Obama is nowhere near as intelligent as Bush #43.

Chubby

((If the press makes demands for grades for GOP candidates the appropriate response is to attack the press))

of all the comments I heard from Trump yesterday, his telling the press that they are protecting Obama and not doing their job were the best. Sure he knocked Obama too, but his hitting the press was hitting root cause.

Ranger

let's just get serious...get back to focusing on what's important.

Yes, by all means Team Barry, lets.

1.8%

We seem to be hitting the sweet spot of slower growth and higher prices.

jimmyk

My guess is it's shot to hell now.

Ignatz

--Well, the reasons for not releasing the BC is one (Clarice listed these yesterday).

(1) The original was burnt in a fire
(2) The COLB is the original
(3) Abercrombie says he's seen the original in the records and will produce it--then he says it doesn't exist
(4) The Hawaiian officials using artful language suggest no one can get the original--

Unfortunately Barry didn't say any of those things, Janet.
And Neil Abercrombie's giant crown of bone will have no role to play in the presidential election of 2012.

narciso

This same Joe Madison, endorsing the next to worse most slander of the US Govt, to 9/11
denialism:


http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/77073-1

Rob Crawford

Supposedly Nixon was very smart. There doesn't seem to be a high correlation between objective intelligence or academic credentials and performance in office.

Intelligence vs. wisdom. One of my favorite authors explained the difference with the examples of Richard Nixon (very smart, not wise) vs. Edith Bunker (not smart, very wise).

Porchlight

You are both talking about fraud and lies.
How did this BC episode address either?

As you say, the BC didn't prove anything untoward. But to focus on that misses the big picture. The reason that Trump was able to do damage to Obama in the polls by hammering on the BC is because a significant chunk of the electorate is increasingly seeing Obama as a fraud. This is true for multiple reasons, not just because of the BC. So, people's ears are open and when someone like Trump comes around and actually calls Obama out, they are receptive.

If that weren't true then imho Trump wouldn't have gotten the traction he did. (Gas prices going up didn't hurt either, as Ranger pointed out.)

Porchlight

Thanks, (Another) Barbara. I guess I'm still amazed that Obama caved as fast as he did. This is highly significant imho. It seems very possible that there is a trend in voter attitudes that we may not have been picking up before but that the WH is seeing in internal polling.

MayBee

Oh! Remember when Valerie Jarrett told us Obama was so smart he was always bored?

Ha ha ha ha ha!

I think the GOP needs to find a way to explain that Obama's complaints about how ungovernable we are, coupled with his favored fix of assembling non-elected boards and committees to try to solve problems, indicate that the problem is actually Obama is doing too much.

It's like when you get lost while driving. You make one wrong turn and don't know what to do. So you just keep making one more turn and one more turn until you are really lost. You can't blame how impossibly lost you are on the original bad turn- you have to blame it on your refusal to stop going further.

Porchlight

I'll flat-out state it: Obama is nowhere near as intelligent as Bush #43.

I agree, Rob.

Agree too with Chubby that Trump's best moment yesterday was attacking the press.

I initially suspected Trump was a stalking horse for Hillary. Now I am beginning to wonder if he's a stalking horse for Palin.

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