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May 04, 2011

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Ignatz

Way OT, but I should have been a Spanish Air Traffic Controller. Average pay; $500,000 and some were making over $1,000,000 with retirement available at 52.
Now the IMF wants to loan Spain our borrowed money so they can continue paying their ATCs a half miillion bucks.

matt foley

i really don't care what the hacks of the 911 commission ended up concluding. thomas joscelyn has an interesting piece in the weekly standard that wikileaks documents show material connections (direct conduits of supplies and information) between al qaeda and iraq based on multiple sources http://projects.nytimes.com/guantanamo/detainees/433-jawad-jabber-sadkhan/documents/9 and http://projects.nytimes.com/guantanamo/detainees/435-hassan-abdul-said so it could be said i guess that we have no confirmation that iraq helped plan 911, but we are pretty confident the two parties (the alleged religious and the secularists) were hanging out together.

matt

can we please see proof of death?

Don

Wow. It's like old times. You're quoting Fitzgerald and getting out-analyzed by Marcy Wheeler.

Gabriel Sutherland

The Times just isn't the same without Howie Raines.

bunky

Smartpower!!

History?  What's that?  The latest farce?

Halabja, the Persians.
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I guess we'll just see, now, won't we?

If, a big if, the Insider is near the mark, why have Val and the O become so marginalized? Daley's not. And note the reference to deference to Joey B. and Gates.
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matt

Is this the same Patrick Fitzgerald who held up sentencing of Tony Rezko in expectation of his cooperation in various ongoing investigations which led pretty much nowhere?

narciso

And who went after Conrad Black, using David Radler, who was at least as guilty, in the Hollinger Grp matter.

Ignatz

--can we please see proof of death?--

Obama decides not to release photos, h/t Hotair headlines.

Don

Well, it's the same Fitzgerald who the ringmaster of this nutter circus and his peanut gallery spent months vilifying, indicted, but apparently now his indictments are evidence of truth. Go figure.

And so can be ye.

Appearances can be deceiving, Don.
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Captain Hate

Don seems to be having a bad day.

June bugs are louder.

May we please have the definitive overarching narrative on Patrick Fitzgerald from the wan Don?
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narciso

Don is still afflicted with failure to comprehend what is written, I see

Ignatz

--Well, it's the same Fitzgerald who the ringmaster of this nutter circus and his peanut gallery spent months vilifying, indicted, but apparently now his indictments are evidence of truth.--

Trying to figure out what "indicted" is doing in the middle of that sentence.

Everybody knows that the Plame is a Game.

Wait for the Wikileaks on Wilson.
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Danube of Thought

but apparently now his indictments are evidence of truth

No, simpleton: they're evidence of notice.

Danube of Thought

Unexpected:

New York - Serious doubts about the health of the jobs market and the broader economy have investors on edge. Stocks fell sharply Wednesday after private payroll processor ADP said that 179,000 new private sector jobs were added in April. That figure was lower than the 195,000 analysts had expected. The ADP report is closely watched because it can provide insights into the government's monthly jobs report for April, which is due out Friday.
lyle

Trying to figure out what "indicted" is doing in the middle of that sentence.

No kidding. Syntax much, Don?

Ignatz

--Obviously, "Can't be proven" does not equal "Not true", but still - there is no mystery as to why the Times chose not to vex their readership with that bit of history. The 9/11 Commission eventually concluded that there had been contacts but no collaboration between al Qaeda and Iraq.--

Cleo's favorite publisher, Assange, demonstrates there was more than just "contact" between Iraq and AQ.

Army of Davids

Pelosi.

Wonder how many remember when she was pushing for prosecution of CIA interrogators for post 9-11 enhanced interrogation techniques?.....ie. doing their jobs.

Techniques that may well have made the difference on killing Osama.

What a first class piece of work that woman is.

BB Key

Obama announces photos of OBL to be released October 3, 2012 ....

Janet

Politicians saying that THEY have seen the picture & OBL is definitely dead is NOT enough.

Neo

The US Special Forces only took two bodies with them in the military chopper; one is said to be Bin Laden’s and the other his son’s.

Steg

http://socyberty.com/issues/white-house-insider-obama-hesitated-panetta-issued-order-to-kill-osama-bin-laden/#ixzz1LOUbqDvi

" President Obama was literally pulled from a golf outing and escorted back to the White House to be informed of the mission."

Lol, from page 3.

Ignatz

Here's a video and story from Patterico about the scandal that at the very least should cost that corrupt nincompoop Holder his job.
Two dead federal agents due to the idiotic plan to make FFLs let known criminals buy guns and he pretends to know nothing about it and has done everything he can to stonewall congressional investigators.

Danube of Thought

I wish I could feel more comfortable with the things Insider reports. If what he says is true, those facts will surely become known when the next Bob Woodward book comes out, if not before.

Thomas Collins

Following up on Neo's 2:39 PM post, see LUN for a theory on why there may be one or more unaccounted for "dead" bodies (perhaps there were one or more "inside the compound" informants and they're not dead). The LUNed article also, to my mind, makes a convincing case that, at the very least, Pak governmental honchos knew what was happening and allowed time for it to happen.

And I believe Seals could explore a three layer house with dispatch.

I don't really buy Harnden's. For one thing, his last question is answered by the fact that we've spy photos of the house being built, from which we could figure out the layout. No need for an informant on that.
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Danube of Thought

At this point I am uncertain as to whether there was any firefight at all in the house or the compound. Anybody know?

MayBee

DoT- it seems the WH is unwilling to discuss the firefight at this point. They will not answer who was engaged in it.

Porchlight

Well, Obama said on Sunday that there was one:

"After a firefight, they killed Osama bin Laden and took custody of his body," Obama said.

Danube of Thought

Times of India says they twice told CIA of their hunch UBL was in an urban area near Islamabad. Also this:

While the US has officially maintained that Pakistani authorities were not informed about the operation till the American choppers left Pakistani airspace, India security officials take this with a pinch of salt. "The Americans might have that capability but we have no reason to rule out that the Pakistanis decided to turn him in because he was proving to be too much of a liability for them with no operational utility," an official said.


clarice

He wouldn't know a firefight from a firefly.

There was apparently no firefight. Perhaps the seals just overpowered the security staff. Perhaps there was no security. Weve learned of Obama and son, kids, a couple of women and two couriers and their families. Not a word about bodyguards. Not one seal was apparently injured. Some firefight.

Danube of Thought

May have been covered elsewhere on JOM, but it seems it was not supposed to be revealed that it had been the SEALs, but Biden let the cat out of the bag. If so, I'm glad he did.

MayBee

Obama threw the firefight thing out there to cover for killing Osama. Then it was embellished to be Osama wielding a gun and hiding behind his wife. Now that didn't happen.

If there was a firefight, it wasn't enough to get Osama out of his bed to grab a gun and protect himself. It wasn't enough to disturb the neighbors. It wasn't enough to stop us from getting boatloads of computer equipment loaded up.

As if there is shame in our SEALS stealthily sneaking in, getting their guys, and getting out.

MarkO

But, what of Rufus T Firefly?

I love that Panetta shoved this down his throat to vindicate the Clinton mess. Do we care about Muslim sensitivity. I don't. The man was a terrorist. He has no special privilege against ridicule.

Porchlight

I have no problem with the SEALs taking down an unarmed OBL. What I have a major problem with is the WH lying about the circumstances of the raid in order to cover that up.

Danube of Thought

Question for the next administration spokesman who discusses this event:

"Were any representations made to Pakistan officials about US withdrawal from Afghanistan in return for their forbearance on the raid?"

Jim Ryan

I think WoT has crippled al Qaeda. So many of them have died or been on the run. The proof is that bin Laden didn't have ten guys heavily armed 24/7 to defend him. He had zilch.

Thanks to Bush and all our guys and gals in the service. I think a little bird sat next to Obama's ear right after the inauguration and said, "Stay the hell out of the way of the WoT, you peacenik lefty dipshit."

maryrose

When will we get the real TRUTH about how this killing of Osama really happened? My best guestimate, they entered ,found him on the 2nd floor and shot him dead. I believe Osama's daughter's account.

JM Hanes

"May we please have the definitive overarching narrative on Patrick Fitzgerald ....."

Ah, jeez. That sound you hear is the gods laughing because I just threw out a complete, two foot, stack of filings and rulings in the Libby, starting with Judy Miller. OTOH, it does free up more time for the shoveling.

MayBee

I think a little bird sat next to Obama's ear right after the inauguration and said, "Stay the hell out of the way of the WoT, you peacenik lefty dipshit."

I think that little bird flew in the form of a PDB. Hearing about the daily threats to himself and the US surely made him realize he was ill-equipped to handle it personally.

JM Hanes

MayBee:

"As if there is shame in our SEALS stealthily sneaking in, getting their guys, and getting out."

Does it get any more twisted than expecting anybody to believe that you'd send 2 helicopters of Seals into Osama's compound with orders not to shoot except in self-defense?

MayBee

It doesn't, JMH. Especially when the reason given for choosing SEALS was to get Proof of Death.

maryrose

Obama makes up stuff when he doesn't have to to add drama and an ends justifies the means narrative. We all know what the Seals mission was all about.Using the word Geronimo was another gaffe by this seat of the pants administration.

Extraneus

"Were any representations made to Pakistan officials about US withdrawal from Afghanistan in return for their forbearance on the raid?"

Excellent question. Surely they got something of value for this bargaining chip.

twvolck

The word is "superseding."

RichatUF

al-Fadl testified to the grand jury that they cooperated on weapons. The Iraq al-Qeada weapons cooperation was cited as justification for the al-Shifa bombing.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Jackie Cooper has died at 88.

domesticdrunkandbarmaid

Green Lantern;if he dies the world dies.Its O asking to be Presinet.

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