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MayBee

"All good Americans"? "Unadulterated ecstasy"?
Is he kidding?

Sue

Sadly, no he isn't kidding.

Danube of Thought

Make no mistake: if anything happens to cause celebration and a feeling of national pride among ordinary Americans--anything at all--it is to be regarded with suspicion, and is presumptively motivated by base emotions, emotions of a kind that are to be deplored and disdained by all persons of superior morality.

daddy

OT good news:

Circulation fell at most of the largest U.S. newspapers compared with a year ago:

"The New York Times...Sunday circulation averaged 1.34 million, down about 37,000 copies from a year ago...On weekdays...down about 34,000."

"The Wall Street Journal...touting their gains — The Journal's weekday circulation averaged 2.12 million during the latest period, about 25,000 more copies than a year ago."

MarkO

The Romans used this con with the Christians to good effect. They got the Christians to turn their cheeks while they killed them. It works.

Sue

daddy,

And yet, they still don't get it. Go figure.

Mad Jack

TM going after the low hanging fruit(s). Not that there's anything wrong with that!

Janet

Well my daughter says they are still celebrating at VA Tech. Frat/Sorority/club parties usually have a theme...& all the themes have been changed to "AMERICA".

clarice

I'm thinking of establishing a international prize for whoever vanquishes the worst moral preener each year.

MayBee

I'm fine with people celebrating. I'm fine with people not celebrating. But Greenwald is just lying about there being any pressure to celebrate or be ecstatic.

Captain Hate

Here's a good Litmus Test for Greenwald: If he likes something, I don't.

Danube of Thought

Nice video on SEALs and Coronado from this morning's Today show.

The bar in question is McP's, on Orange Avenue across from the Hotel del. The owner (Navy Cross) was married to my niece for a time. Didn't work out too well...but the family still is fond of the guy.

daddy

If you didn't think Osama deserved killing before, wait'll you read this:

Can we have our ball back, Mr Bin Laden?

"CHILDREN would kick balls over Osama Bin Laden's garden wall and never get them back, neighbours revealed yesterday....Ice cream vendor Tanvir Ahmed confirmed: "If a ball went into Bin Laden's compound the children would not be allowed to get it."

elissa

I must admit I've been somewhat surprised by the youthful exuberance and the real emotion of some of the rallies and demonstrations. College kids who were still in grade school when the towers fell seem to really be moved by our finally getting OBL. I wonder if, in addressing our own horror over 9/11, and while dealing with the economic impact of 9/11, we may have missed the powerful impact it was having on the kids at that time-- and the fear they've quietly felt over the last decade.

Danube of Thought

Video of SEAL obstacle course. The frame on the left is from a helmet-cam of the guy running the course.

Think about doing it.

henry

The left can't do anything on their own without instructions -- and are upset when normal people make up their own minds. Add in a spontaneous celebration of military victory -- achieved with no casualties by America's finest-- and they are left with tantrums. I don't need their preening, and I will celebrate my neighbors and relatives in the military every chance I get.

Sue

daddy,

He paid them money for the balls, for some reason, rather than give them the balls back. I read on one of the British sites that kids were throwing their balls over just to get the money.

Sue

Nevermind, the link is to the story I read so you already know, daddy, that he paid them money.

Captain Hate

I agree with elissa's comment; for a lot of those celebrators it must've been extremely cathartic. My Hatettes were both in NYC when 9/11 happened (my youngest observed the towers fall from a Columbia rooftop and the older one in Brooklyn had papers from the towers blow into her apartment's back yard) and we got calls from all over the world checking on them. If I would've had young children at the time that were too young to fully understand what was going on, they still would've been in an "I've never seen Dad like this" observation mode.

C.R.

I think for these college age kids bin Laden being killed is like the falling of the Berlin wall was for my generation. We grew up in the shadow of the Cold War and mutually assured destruction. Anybody remember that terrible ABC movie, The Day After? The wall falling was an unmistakable turning point as, hopefully, this is.

Jane

All I could think after reading that was, imagine the reaction if George Bush had been killed. I hope I'm very wrong.

We are soon off to Normandy after spending a day at Monet's place, frolicking in the flowers. The pix are amazing - particularly the one of Dick Morris we call "pretty in pink". He rivals O in his use of the word "I".

Internet is very scarce, but I can't say the same for the wine. Elliott, if you see this, send me an email reiterating the Sunday details.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I wonder if, in addressing our own horror over 9/11, and while dealing with the economic impact of 9/11, we may have missed the powerful impact it was having on the kids at that time-- and the fear they've quietly felt over the last decade.

I wrote at the time that I spent 9/11 with a mixed group, ages 17 to 93 and it was the youngest among the group that who got the most emotional and upset. My nephew, who was 21 at the time was terrible upset for days and worried me because he became a bit obsessive. I was shocked, but had the feeling all day that I'd just watched a disaster movie. It wasn't until I saw the full replay of events a few days later that the full impact hit me and I broke down. The mid-range watchers, those 30ish to 45ish just got very quiet and then cheered W when he was there with the bullhorn. They were all gung ho to join the military.

We didn't have any small children there, but the younger ones are all parents now and have transferred their emotional reactions to their children. Little 6 year old Christian called me yesterday and told me I could sleep safe because the baddest man in the world got dead by Seals. I said Seals? Really? Teasing him alittle. He said not the kind like at Sea World, the Ninja kind. I thanked him for telling me. He then told me not to worry, he had it handled. It was his Dad who I worried about having such an emotional reaction around 9/11.

Melinda Romanoff

Sara-

It sort of explains certain visceral reactions to Viet Nam, back in the day.

A dual case of projection, by some.

Interesting, and a very sweet 6 year old, who has displayed some very old characteristics.

Thanks for sharing that.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Via Gateway Pundit:

Osama Bin Laden’s will was released today in a Kuwaiti paper. He told his children not to join the front in the war against the West.

The Pakistani Dawn reported:

The local Al Anba newspaper has obtained what it claims is Osama bin Laden’s will, written on December 14, 2001, when he was on the run from the US in Afghanistan.

In the will, Bin Laden takes credit for most of his achievements in terrorism, culminating in the 9/11 attacks. He also orders his wives not to re-marry after he’s dead.

Perhaps surprisingly, he asks his children not to join Al Qaeda or join “the front” in the war against the West. Instead he “expresses regret to his children” for not having spent enough time with them because he was too busy working at his jihad.

Stephanie

Perhaps surprisingly, he asks his children not to join Al Qaeda or join “the front” in the war against the West. Instead he “expresses regret to his children” for not having spent enough time with them because he was too busy working at his jihad.

If true, Osama just threw Mohammed under the bus. For a muslim isn't jihad supposed to supercede all other commitments, even family?

sbw

Our editorial tomorrow contains this paragraph:

A victory parade makes us uncomfortable. Even nebulous and undeclared war on terror is hell, and there are still more dangerous terrorist leaders out there. Instead of a parade, we might mourn those who died on both sides because what matters in society did not matter to the terrorists. Zealotry, falsely in the name of a religion, is no call to impose your views on others. Neither is the imbecilic unworkable toleration of anti-society behavior mistakenly called multiculturalism. In the end, real multiculturalism does not tolerate those who do not respect society among different individuals. Real multiculturalism defends the minimums of society against attack.

What a racket.

I'm highly amused at the spectacle of the most wanted man in the world being targeted by children with balls.
=============

Porchlight

I just think it's quaint and cute that somewhere in the world there are unsupervised kids playing with balls in the street.

narciso

I had heard part of this, from a Spanish language reporter who had interviewed one of
Osama's sons,

JM Hanes

elissa:

"we may have missed the powerful impact it was having on the kids at that time-- and the fear they've quietly felt over the last decade."

I was wondering about all the college aged kids out on the streets, myself, and I think your observation makes a lot of sense. I remember lying in bed as a kid, terrified about getting blown up by atom bombs -- or being left all alone in the world with my family dead. It was so scary, I didn't even talk about it. We had civil defense drills back then; for today's kids after 9/11, it was vigilance and the TSA, and everybody worrying that there was more to come.

bgates

The wall falling was an unmistakable turning point as, hopefully, this is.

Since we're not sure whether bin Laden's death is an unmistakable turning point, we can conclude that it isn't. If we got anything valuable from the house, his death may provide the opportunity to roll up a bunch more bad actors, but his death by itself, while nothing but good news, is not that big a deal.

I suppose it's possible that most of today's college kids think all the evil in the world was embodied in Osama bin Laden (especially since Bush is out of office). If that's so, they'll figure it out for themselves eventually.

I don't much like the celebrating. There wasn't any that I can recall after the 91 Gulf War. Of course we crushed our enemies. We're the United States. Our military is the best in the history of the world. That's not more true now than it was back at the end of April.

JM Hanes

Stephanie:

"For a muslim isn't jihad supposed to supercede all other commitments, even family?"

Al Qaeda has always recruited starry eyed, youthful jihadis to do their suicide bombings. It's Hamas who has managed to cultivate a culture of death so successfully that mothers can actually applaud their own children's martyrdom.

Danube of Thought

Funny. I have a vivid memory of my sister saying to me on May 1, 1945 "just think--Hitler's dead." We have laughed about it over the years, and on Sunday--66 years later to the day--she called and said "just think--Osama bin Lafen's dead," and we had a good laugh.

I had only turned four a few months before, and I can't say that I recall a great deal of my life (other than a number of isolated incidents) before that day. But I can remember very clearly the malevolent omnipresence that Hitler had been in my young mind up to that moment. I can recall my reaction to the news as feeling a huge sense of relief, and maybe that is what very young people today are experiencing.

Ignatz

--The Romans used this con with the Christians to good effect. They got the Christians to turn their cheeks while they killed them. It works.--

I still see plenty of Christians around but haven't run into any Roman citizens lately.

Rick Ballard

I tend to a bit of circumspection when addressing the root cause of celebration among those of college age during the first week in May. They may be celebrating Bin Laden's execution in part because of some sort of psychological relief but they may also be stretching TGIF with a few more kegs.

I deeply appreciate the professionalism of the SEALs and will work diligently through 2012 to give them a CiC of whom they can be proud.

Ignatz

Good thing the Glue Huffers and Glen Greenwald weren't around back on VJ day. Celebrations and intemperate remarks about our diminutive Asian adversaries; a recipe for the vapors for sure.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

For me it was the JFK assassination. As a post-War kid, it was unfathomable that someone could shoot THE president and suddenly, the world did not seem as safe as it had five minutes before.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

So Osama was a stoner. I find it hard to believe that anyone that evil could partake.

bgates

I deeply appreciate the professionalism of the SEALs and will work diligently through 2012 to give them a CiC of whom they can be proud.

I agree with this even more than I agree with the two sentences before it, and I agree with those a lot.

sbw -
we might mourn those who died on both sides
-what are the sides?

sbw

the world did not seem as safe as it had five minutes before.

Wait a minute, Sara. We were the ones who would practice duck and cover under the desk, for whom a walk in the basement of the school revealed hundreds of cans of biscuits and water, and for whom every Saturday and noon the air raid sirens sounded.

JM Hanes

Huffer Gerloff asks what kind of species we want to be?? I propose a thought experiment: Imagine Gerloff undertaking a thought experiment. That was quick, wasn't it?

As for Greenwald, the only ecstatic celebrants I'm seeing are a bunch of college kids and the pols who think Obama just won the 2012 election.

bgates

I just think it's quaint and cute that somewhere in the world there are unsupervised kids playing with balls in the street.

Not just "somewhere", Porch - next door to Osama bin Laden's house.

I can't help but think I'm drawing a different lesson from that fact than all the helicopter moms out there would.

sbw

bgates: -what are the sides?

One side knows what is worthwhile and why. I also mourn the gullible the other side Pied Pipers into jihad. They are the ones the schools, churches, and families failed to inoculate before they were taken. What a waste.

Danube of Thought

Meanwhile, this just in from Boston following the dismantling of the once-proud Celtics:

"The Associated Press is reporting an outbreak of drunken, violent rioting throughout South Boston tonight. Winos are being stomped and cars set ablaze by marauding gangs of flush-faced, furrowed-browed Irish toughs venting their rage with wanton abandon.

"Roughly two dozen suspects are currently in custody. Remarkably, almost half of the suspects are named Kevin, and the remainder are either named Sully or Tommy-boy.

”Each faces charges ranging form misdemeanor battery of a sleeping vagrant to felony assault with a Grandpa Meyers wine bottle, arson, buggery, public defecation, arson of an automobile and aggravated sloth."

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Wait a minute, Sara. We were the ones who would practice duck and cover under the desk, for whom a walk in the basement of the school revealed hundreds of cans of biscuits and water, and for whom every Saturday and noon the air raid sirens sounded.

True. And in my steel town we were reminded constantly that we were 6th on the Soviet bombing list. However, we also had parades three times a year with soldiers and tanks and big guns and fathers who had been to war and in 1963 we were singing folk songs and we knew we were the good guys. To kill the president just wasn't thought about or considered as a possibility. We might all get incinerated, but we didn't shoot presidents. Not in '63. In my world in that time, America was invincible.

PD

The left routinely salivates at the thought of Dick Cheney's death every time there is a report of him checking into a hospital. Wanda Sykes jokes about wanting Rush to die of kidney failure at a recent WHCD. Etc., etc.

If these people think that their lectures about not wanting people's deaths are credible in the slightest, they're mistaken. They cheer for the deaths of Americans, and want us to be dignified about the deaths of our enemies.

jimmyk

Good thing the Glue Huffers and Glen Greenwald weren't around back on VJ day.

Yeah, but this isn't a victory. When AQ unconditionally surrenders I'll be out in the streets celebrating. Until then I'll just smile with each of these little successes.

PD

--The Romans used this con with the Christians to good effect. They got the Christians to turn their cheeks while they killed them. It works.--

I still see plenty of Christians around but haven't run into any Roman citizens lately.

Today we name our sons Paul, and our dogs Nero.

Danube of Thought

I'll be out kissing some babe and hoping somebody takes a good picture of it.

MoodyBlu

Janet:

Well my daughter says they are still celebrating at VA Tech. Frat/Sorority/club parties usually have a theme...& all the themes have been changed to "AMERICA".

My daughter was telling me about 2 pickups full of people driving around the drill field waving flags on Monday afternoon. Kids!

Janet, do you attend sporting events at VT? We are long time season ticket holders for football and basketball and would enjoy your company at a football game this fall, if interested. Shoot me an email at kilozulu81 at yahoo dot com.

MoodyBlu
Fellow Hokie Parent

jimmyk

Ha, DoT, I was going to link to that famous picture, but got distracted and hit 'post.'

Danube of Thought

Ha--it must have been ESP, jimmyk.

PDinDetroit

I also was surprised about the response from young people that I saw - The "wave of nationalism" I did not think the younger generation was capable of...

So, I asked my 18 year old daughter what she thought about the US Military finally getting UBL. Her Response: "What am I supposed to think about it? He's dead, big deal." This should not have been surprising, coming from the girl who routinely shoots the 10 ring out with iron sights on HER Ruger Mini-14.

As for me, I wanted UBL's HEAD ON A PIKE. Could just be the Scotsman in me coming out, but I like the message it sends: You're Next Terrorist Dude (and we know who you are).

I wonder what trite saying PUK or bad would have said about right now.

matt

it is tragic, comic, and disgraceful to me that some people refuse to understand the visceral impact of the death of the murderer of 3,000 men, women, and children with the biggest kick in the balls in American history.

Psychologically it is the same as the death of Hitler or Stalin or any of the most evil of our enemies except in this case it was up close and personal.

The naysayers are the same Martians who have lost touch with what were once known as common values.

geezer

Sara:

Ngo Dinh Diem 1963

Some say it was at the behest of our boy from Camelot

MayBee

My own kids have seemed nonplussed.
Interested, satisfied, not celebratory. A big news event, to be sure. Neither seems to find it life-altering.

Danube of Thought

"I also mourn the gullible the other side Pied Pipers into jihad."

Not me. Their job is to not be gullible. Too bad if they flunked.

Danube of Thought

"Ngo Dinh Diem 1963"

Anybody notice that Madame Nhu died last week, in her nineties? Dragon Lady. Always thought she got a hugely bum rap from the MSM at the time, but of course there was no M but the MSM back then.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Ngo Dinh Diem 1963

Some say it was at the behest of our boy from Camelot

I never even heard of Viet Nam until 1965, even though in '64 college guys were looking for wives with requests on bulletin boards that read, "Marry for the duration, no sex required." I just figured they didn't want to get drafted, I didn't know about any war. Then I married a guy who ended up doing 4 tours over there.

PDinDetroit

OSAMA GOES TO HEAVEN

After getting nailed by Seal Team 6, Osama bin Laden makes his way to the Pearly Gates and is admitted by an angel. But then he is met by George Washington, who roars "How dare you attack the Nation I helped found!" The Father of Our Country draws his sword and slashes bin Laden across the face.

Then Patrick Henry storms up to him. "You tried to end the Americans' Liberty, so instead they gave you Death!" Patrick Henry punches Osama in the mouth.

Next James Madison stomps up and snarls "This is why I allowed the Federal government to provide for the common defense!" Madison viciously kicks bin Laden right in the crotch.

Osama is then subjected to merciless beatings by John Randolph of Roanoke, James Monroe, and 65 other stalwart Patriots with the eternal love for American Liberty.

As he lies writhing on the ground, Thomas Jefferson picks him up by the scruff of his neck and repeatedly kicks him back towards the Pearly Gates where he is to be judged.

As Osama bin Laden awaits his journey to his very hot final destination, he whimpers, "But this is not what I was promised!"

The angel scornfully replies, "Well, I promised there would be 72 VIRGINIANS waiting for you. What did you think I said?"

Topsecretk9

daddy

Thanks for that circulation link. So basically, newspapers are allowed the new rule of lying about their circulation numbers, so that they can lie to advertisers they have wider cir, while taking hits everywhere.

Sounds like public employees pension ponzi=-esque

YGBSM !

“ Our Final Jeopardy! Category is “23 Stars over Arabia.” Contestants please make your final wagers, and after this 60 second commercial break we'll be right back with the Final Round of Celebrity Jeopardy!”

Welcome back contestants and viewers. The Final Jeopardy clue is:

Adm. Mike Mullen, USN C,JCS
Gen. James N. Mattis, USMC, Cdr CentCom
Gen. David H. Petraeus, USA, Cdr ISAF Afg
Adm. Eric Olson, USN, Cdr SOCOM
Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, Pakistan Army Chief of Staff
Maj. Gen. Javed Iqbal, Pakistan Army, Director of Operations

Moo'a'ma'r', your answer, please. “What is Operation Odyssey Dawn?” Sorry, Moo'a'ma'r' that is incorrect. Moo'a'ma'r' you entered Final Jeopardy! With a negative balance, and you have wagered nothing, so, nothing from nothing leaves you nothing.

Moving on to our next contestant, Nou'ri', your answer please. “What is Operation New Dawn?” Sorry, Nou'ri' that is not correct. And how much have you wagered? Ah, everything. So, your final Jeopardy amount is zero.

Osama, your answer please. What, Osama, you have no answer?

Contestants, Ladies and Gentlemen in the audience, the correct answer to this round of Final Jeopardy! is

Who were the attendees at the final senior-level coordination meeting between the US Military and the Pakistan Army for Operation GERONIMO, held in Muscat, Oman on 24 February 2011.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I wish someone had the time to scrub the timelines. A lot has been made of a February no-go decision to just bomb the area. I bet there is enough out there to develop an 80% timeline, but I would not know where to look.

Just sayin.

Chubby

((Add in a spontaneous celebration of military victory -- achieved with no casualties by America's finest-- and they are left with tantrums))

is it that straightforward? one reason Obama won was that he got out the youth vote; maybe some of those celebrations are based, at least in part, on his loyal voters thinking that Obama's keeping his promise to get OBL means another 4 years for him

Chubby

I wonder if OBL hated balls like the Taliban hated kites.

Chubby

((The left routinely salivates at the thought of Dick Cheney's death every time there is a report of him checking into a hospital. Wanda Sykes jokes about wanting Rush to die of kidney failure at a recent WHCD. Etc., etc.))

I've also heard lefties say that they can hardly wait until all old people die off because then their political wishlist won't have any obstacles in its way.

e

shit wont post says it did.

Captain Hate

aggravated sloth

Paul Pierce?

Captain Hate

Madame Nhu died last week, in her nineties? Dragon Lady. Always thought she got a hugely bum rap from the MSM at the time, but of course there was no M but the MSM back then.

Yes. I was pretty young but remember thinking "why are all the people that keep making idiots out of themselves fawning over how *sophisticated* Jackie Kennedy is so antagonistic to this woman?" My answer was that it was bigotry of a "she's not our type of people" strain.

Janet

maybe some of those celebrations are based, at least in part, on his loyal voters thinking that Obama's keeping his promise to get OBL means another 4 years for him

Not for the VA Tech crew.

clarice

Malcolm of the LAT rounds up all the contradictory stories the WH has been peddling
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/05/osama-bin-laden-death-obama-story.html

There's one more..it the house has no electrical connection what's with all the hard drives, thumb drives and computer stuff?

(The Wash Star says there was in fact a fiber optic connection at the place)

rse

Reading the different reactions from young people described in this thread and from talking with my kids, there seems to be an inverse reaction with who feels proud to be an American every day and, more importantly, knows why.

We have had more than twenty years of deliberately encouraging schoolchildren to feel. That their emotional response is what it means to think.

We no longer teach them the wonderful stories that show what a special country and people in the history of the world we actually are.

It unfortunately takes something tangible that can be visualized and that draws on the emotions for too many young people to recognize they do feel proud and special.

Yet they still have been consciously denied the opportunity to know precisely why.

Buffy

It can be said that the Americans celebrating is no different than when some Arabs celebrated after 9/11. The Arabs perceived the US & Israel as killing thousands of Arabs. When they saw America attacked they celebrated. So some may see those celebrating in the US no better than those that celebrated after 9/11. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Ralph M

"The official said a 12-year-old daughter of bin Laden was among the six children rescued from the three-storey compound.

The daughter has reportedly told her Pakistani investigators that the US forces captured her father alive but shot him dead in front of family members. 

"

LUN - english.alarabiya.net

narciso

'go ye to the Hellmouth' and don't return, so I'm struck how McChrystal, who probably more experiences in Special Ops, than anyone in that room, was 'purged' not to put too fine a point on it, and now they have consented to 'rehabilitate' him, but putting him on one of these hypocritical committees.

This operation was not unlike the 'Kill Pablo' one directed against a decades long foe, in a country whose establishment was formally on our side, but de jure was not.
And much like the former, it will not affect
the underlying structure.

Meanwhile what is Jen Rubin, doing letting
Ben Smith, of Politico, shape a certain narrative about a public figure, who has shown nothing but support for our fighting
men and women, and the legitimate use of
them, to achieve policy objectives

Extraneus

The left has tried to make this about Osama bin Laden ever since Kerry's Tora Bora attack against Bush. It's not about Osama bin Laden, and never was. Killing bin Laden doesn't end anything. There are thousands, maybe millions, of wannabe Osama bin Ladens out there. That's what it's about.

College-age people have always been vulnerable to the memes of the left, and it's possible that their reaction is related to this opportunistic strategy of making it all about bin Laden.

Captain Hate

One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.

Clueless equivocation for a thousand, Alex.

Janet

But they will release THESE photos!

Captain Hate

Jen Rubin can't be trusted to be objective on Palin; trotting out the "blood libel" garbage, which Dershowitz, surely no supporter, gave her no negative marks for, shows a "grasping at anything to defame her" mentality. Maybe it keeps her in good graces with the WaPo handlers.

bunkerbuster

For once, I fully agree with right wingnuts: left wingnuts are dead wrong and thoughtless on this issue. I am one of the people Greenwald is talking about when he says people are setting celebrating as a litmus test. Absolutely: If you can't celebrate bin Laden's death as a great day for humanity, you really need to spend more time thinking about it and on what your priorities are.
I am not saying everyone has to go to a rally or set off an M-80, but if you didn't let out a cheer to yourself, at least, when the news came, you're either not too smart, not too humane or seriously deranged...

Extraneus

That was a bit insensitive, Janet.

So has everyone seen the clown show on Drudge this morning?

PANETTA: PHOTO COMING...
CARNEY: Release 'could be inflammatory'...
Muslim 'sensitivities' trump transparency?
Should news organizations publish?
What bin Laden photos show...

GATES, CLINTON: 'NO' ON DEATH PHOTO

Extraneus

Also on Drudge...

RASMUSSEN: Still No Bounce for Obama... Developing...
Obama Approval Index: -13
Strongly Approve 24%
Strongly Disapprove 37%
Total Approval 48%

It's a new day.

Heffer Gerloff slumbers fretlessly in Procustes' bed.

Yay, PDinDet.

YMGSB: Two months to move him and they didn't? Hmmm.

BB must have had a birthday. Many happy returns, fella, and thanks.
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centralcal

For the first time ever, I can say I agree with every word of your comment bunkerbuster.

Chubby

((If you can't celebrate bin Laden's death as a great day for humanity, you really need to spend more time thinking about it and on what your priorities are.))

I agree it was a great day, but I'm quite sure we have different ideas on who deserves credit for it.

MoodyBlu

For the first time ever, I can say I agree with every word of your comment bunkerbuster.

Yeah, imagine a post from BB not accompanied by a grunt and splash.

bunkerbuster

Chubby: Indeed, I assume you are only capable of giving credit to people who adhere to your ideology and I am happy that web sites like this one give you a chance to flaunt that lack of development and the politics it inspires...

rse

Janet-

Every time I see MO doing something like that in front of schoolchildren I remember that "strong emphasis on physical education" is the first characteristic of the Marxist model of education.

sbw

Dot: Not me. Their job is to not be gullible. Too bad if they flunked.

I can appreciate that, but there is a cost to the rest of us every time they flunk.

As my English teacher/literacy coach wife points out, "You want to know how many jails cells you're going to have to pay for in the future? Count the illiterate males in eighth grade."

Chubby

((Indeed, I assume you are only capable of giving credit to people who adhere to your ideology ))

LOL!!! of course, you are always the first to give credit to people who don't adhere to your ideology

and of course, the reasons you use this site -- propagandizing, gloating and taunting -- are extremely noble LOL!!!

Janet

MoodyBlu, I sent you an email.

clarice

From Al Arabiya linked by Ralph--yet another version:

"Senior Pakistani security officials said Osama bin Laden’s daughter had confirmed her father was captured alive and shot dead by the US Special Forces during the first few minutes of the operation carried out at the huge compound in Bilal Town, Abbottabad. 
 


Besides recovering four bullet-riddled bodies from the compound, Pakistani security agencies also arrested two women and six children, aged between 2 and 12 years, after American forces flew toward Afghanistan. Some reports suggest 16 people, including women and children, were arrested from the house, most of them Arab nationals.

A Pakistani security source told Al Arabiya that Bin Laden family members had been transported to Rawalpindi, which is near Islamabad. He added, “They are now under treatment in the military hospital of Rawalpindi, where they have been transported in an helicopter.” A source told Al Arabiya that Bin Laden’s had been injured either in her leg or her shoulder.

He added that the members of the household were children and Bin Laden’s wife, in addition to a Yemeni woman. He added that the woman might be the personal doctor of the family. Bin Laden was known to be afflicted with renal failure.

Sources speculated that US Forces could not arrest these family members because there weren’t enough places for them in the helicopter, after they lost another chopper during the operation.

About the slain woman: officials said she could either be Bin Laden’s wife or a close family member since she offered to sacrifice her life for him. “As per our information, she shielded Bin Laden during the operation and was killed by American commandos,” an official said.



The US Special Forces only took two bodies with them in the military chopper; one is said to be Bin Laden’s and the other his son’s. By the time Pakistani security agencies and soldiers arrived at the spot, the US commandos were flying over the mountains in the Pakistani tribal belt, well on their way to Afghanistan. 

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Neo

Consider now the possibility of a "death" photo of UBL release.

It has all the same procrastinating and indecision that were part of the original mission. I have to wonder if they think they can continue the "glow" by dragging it out with a promised "photo" that appears to always be "over the horizon" (like communism). They did exactly that with the "birthers," so why not do a repeat ?

As for the sensitivities, doesn't anybody think that killing him was insensitive enough. After screwing with the narrative, they now even have it looking like the shot down a defenseless UBL ... like a mad dog. I don't think the "he may have had a bomb under his clothes" story line is going to cut it.

If they really want UBL to be forgotten, let him go. Release the "death photo," convincing those who can be convinced that UBL is dead, and close the bloody thing out. Instead, they have made a political calculation that they can bask in the glow of a killing, like a KKK mob after a lynching, and somehow they can show they are "sensitive" by not releasing the bloody "photo." Oh, please.

YGBSM !

I do not think it is unreasonable to believe that Pak's ISI and Army are two different beasts with different agendas. Could it be that the 24 Feb 11 meeting was an agreement at the very top between the Pak Army and our key pers to take Bin Liner down? Those 23 Stars are an impressive collection of America's top, very top security leadership. Something mighty important--extremely important--must have been on the table to assemble that group for that one-day meeting in Muscat.

This guy has the only analysis on the meeting that I have found, but it looks very well considered, an excerpt:


It is amazing the that Big Elephant was absent from the conference room. General Shuja Pasha the head of the Pakistani ISI was not present in the meeting. The CIA was also absent from this high powered meeting. The news reports about a rift between the CIA and the ISI seem to be real. The relations between the two spy agencies have deteriorated dramatically since November, when Wikileaks confirmed that large numbers of U.S. special operations forces had been operating on the ground inside Pakistan’s borders. There are news reports that the Pakistan Embassy has issued more than 10,000 visas to Americans. The News, one of Pakistan’s largest newspapers is reporting that the Pakistan Embassy is under scrutiny for issuing more than 400 visas in a single day.

I cannot be persuaded that the 24 Feb 11 Muscat meeting (some sources say the meeting occurred on the 23rd) was solely about Raymond Davis. When reports first came out about Davis, ISTM that he was another over-inflated ego who too carelessly and too casually compromised his position. Now, I am not so sure. Now I wonder if his presence was not part of a "surge" into Pak to TCO Bin Liner.

The timelines of all of this, laid out with what we know, would be fascinating.

sbw

Daddy, Sue, & Tsk9, re: newspaper circulation.

The Audit Bureau of Circulation (ABC) is controlled by advertisers, not newspapers and, although some helpful people work there, the rules are a pain to understand and follow. The ABC is an advertiser tool, not a newspaper tool.

The "free" newspaper for an employee sounds bogus, but it really is square. As a condition of employment, the employee gets a newspaper instead of higher pay. The subscription is paid, but no money changes hands.

Newspaper In Education copies are those worked on in class. We do need to create readers and a newspaper is the most contemporary textbook available. They have always been counted; it is a question of which bucket they are counted in.

None of the changes matter as much as the old USA Today bulk sales trick that put a copy under your hotel room door.

Cecil Turner

The bar in question is McP's, on Orange Avenue across from the Hotel del.

Hey, that's coincidental: my buddy and I piled in there after SERE school (I had the Irish Dip and a couple lagers, and fell into a food coma soon afterward). If I'd known about the ownership, we'd probably have been more respectful.

Models come alive and wreak havoc in playroom.

USA Today for 5/3 has an amazing bit of alarmist propaganda about Arctic Ocean open water, feedbacks, and sea level rise.
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Rob Crawford

I still see plenty of Christians around but haven't run into any Roman citizens lately.

I understand there's an entire city full of them over in Italy.

Mostly Christian, though.

Jack is Back!

If we keep pussy-footing around this PC based idea of Muslim sensibilitie we will only add to our vulnerability with the Islamists. If we were cheering OBL's demise then Al-Zawhri must have had a wry smile at the thought we took 40 minutes to comply with Islamic custom and give OBL a proper muslim internment. This only reinforces the notion that we will always do the "civilized" thing and not the necessary rabid-dirty dog type of fighting you need to do to survive. OBL may be dead but we still have to take off our shoes and belts to board a plane. This changes nothing. And that is why I am not celebrating.

Cecil Turner

As for the sensitivities, doesn't anybody think that killing him was insensitive enough.

It's a borderline law of war issue. There's no explicit prohibition about photographs of dead, but that's generally considered to be out of bounds. I think they're concluding this an exceptional case, which is probably correct, but I'm willing to cut them some slack on this particular dither.

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