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[Danube of Thought]

First?

[Jack is Back!]

Last?

[Minimalist Poster]

Oh, no. You're not last . . .

[Captain Hate]

Reading a WSJ review of books about Nazi war criminals who escaped, I didn't realize that the chief justice at the time, Harlan Fiske Stone, was so opposed to putting them on trial, calling it a "high grade lynching party", that he refused to swear in American members of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg.

[Jack is Back!]

When Mel gets in I need an opinion (all are free to post it) about this documentary "Inside Job"

I have a very right-thinking friend who insists I see it. But the trailer seems to indicate it is a left-wing propaganda piece simply because they use Soros, Spitzer and Bawney Frank as their prominent sources. That and the fact that Roger Ebert gave it a thumb's up doesn't give much confindence in its neutral credibility.

[Danube of Thought]

What did Stone prefer to do with them?

[Clarice]

More agw fraud?http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/06/029318.php

[Captain Hate]

Not sure about that, DoT; all the review states is that he felt very strongly that there was no legal basis for the victors conducting trials. Whether or not he was correct, history regards the proceedings favorably and having been necessary.

[Fat Egbert]

That and the fact that Roger Ebert gave it a thumb's up doesn't give much confindence in its neutral credibility.

I found it jaw-droppingly good.

[Captain Hate]

More agw fraud?

Do you think ManBearPig is aware that his house of cards is tumbling down around him? Or is the seminary school dropout too dumb for even that?

[Charlie (Colorado)]

More agw fraud?

There's plenty of room for fraud in science funding if someone is sufficiently intent on fraud; science really does operate on a "social contract" to a great extent.

That said, the argument here seems to be "there was fraud and I don't like climate science hint hint nudge nudge".

[boris]

"the argument here seems to be ..."

I'd go further. A possible difference in our opinions on climate science is the degree of consensus bullying in the field. Consensus bullying that makes the field ripe for fraud and abuse of all kinds.

[bgates]

That doesn't look like agw fraud. The Nature story mentions "the EC's Information Society and Media Directorate General, which oversaw the terminated projects", which I suppose could include climate modeling in its purview, but would include lots of other subject areas as well.

[Danube of Thought]

If the flick doesn't focus heavily on Fannie and Freddie it's a waste of time.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

What did Stone prefer to do with them?

As I recall, the opposing theory was "hang them as malefactors, don't screw things up with a trial." But I think that was Churchill.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

bgates, that's right: there's nothing in the story to connect it to AGW. The wink-and-nudge strikes me as pretty slimy.

[pagar]

If someone steals $72 million from you does it really matter whether the vehicle they used to get the funds was AGW or one of the thousands of other fraud schemes?

Whatever scheme is being used to steal money the numbers are just overwhelming and very few seem to care. Here is just one example.

"According to O’Brien, the Essex South Registry of Deeds has found
25,187 fraudulent documents that contain the signatures of more than
30 known robo-signers."

How many would be found if every county in the US was checked?

http://livinglies.wordpress.com/2011/06/25/recording-office-refuses-robo-signed-documents/

"These documents effect 1,282 homeowners in the
City of Salem, 1,246 in the City of Beverly, 1,404 in the City of
Peabody and 795 in the Town of Danvers."

Instead of arresting the fraudists, The banks are being allowed to redo the fraud.
This is insane.

[PD]

I'd be interested in "Inside Job" reviews as well. I have it on hold at the library, but I'm still 138th in the queue -- although this being Madison, the library system does have 44 copies.

[boris]

The headline of the Powerline store is "What's misssing?"

It is not uncommon to comment on political sex scandal stories that leave out the party affiliation of the suspect. Given past experience that's usually an indication it's the D party.

As long as the story is in the context of speculation about withheld details ... "slimey" doesn't apply IMO.

[glasater]

On a related topic while people were absorbed with the Weiner scandal -- Obama was busy setting up Agenda 21-Related Executive Order-

"President Obama signed his 86th executive order (13575) on June 9, which established the White House Rural Council (WHRC). According to The Blaze, the Executive Order seems to be in line with the United Nations radical Agenda 21, as it is designed “to begin taking control over almost all aspects of the lives of 16 percent of the American people.”

Our local Tea Party is all over this one.

[narciso]

Zombie had a piece on Pajamas Media, months ago, pointing out that the fireman in the film, from the Greenlining institute, name
escapes (honestly) was the arsonist, who helped set the fire. Ferguson was wrong about the Iraq War,in 'NoExit'
'unexpectedly' so it stands to figure, that he would be wrong about this.

Now this isn't always true, Davis Guggenheim
recovered most of his self respect, squandered in 'An Inconvenient Truth' with
Waiting for Superman,' but that seems to be exception.

[Clarice]

Re the Powerline story, it might well be that the fraud involved so many different studies it could't be specified, but raise your hand if you think Nature would have said climate studies if that were the case.

[Threadkiller]

An open thread with "fraud" as a main theme? Oh boy!

As a courtesy to Rob Crawford I will only post, and not comment on, the latest link to the most definitive interpretation of "NBC".

MINOR V. HAPPERSETT IS BINDING PRECEDENT AS TO THE CONSTITUTIONAL DEFINITION OF A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

Off to work on a solar inverter. I need to fix it before I start drinking (at least that is what the manual says).

[bgates]

I certainly don't think Nature would have mentioned if the subject were climate studies, given that they didn't mention the subject and I don't think it's climate studies.

Plenty to worry about here anyway, since the research interests of the gigantically defrauded Directorate include e-cash and e-voting. One hopes the researchers (the legitimate ones) are more security-conscious than the grant dispensers.

[narciso]

Robert Gznaida, kind of the Jamie Gorelick of this matter.

[rse]

Just looked at that Agenda 21 link.

The need for "innovation" is the constantly asserted rationale these days for government and its designees butting into another area. Remember only the government has the proper incentives to innovate.

When you see "innovation", think people's democracy and respond accordingly. Perversion of language to cover opposite agenda.

"Green energy technician"-one of the STEM-related career jobs of tomorrow just as long as the govt remains a primary dictator of the use of resources.

[bgates]

Since this is an open thread, I have an idea. Obviously the Congress and the President are going to have to come to some kind of agreement involving spending cuts and tax increases. I think our side ought to make a good faith effort to show we're open to tax increases of some kind. My suggestion is that the Republicans propose an end to a tax break for fat cats that reduces federal revenue by millions of dollars a year. I am speaking of the deductibility of state income tax. I think this would be a very popular proposal, because it would show the Democrats how committed we are to bipartisanship, it would give the patriotic citizens of places like New York and California and Massachusetts the opportunity to send more money to the government without just doing so voluntarily, and it sure wouldn't bother anybody in places like Texas or Florida.

[Threadkiller]

Glasater, I wonder if, in DoT and Clarice's opinion, the latest Tenth Amendment ruling applies to Executive Orders? I would think the Tenth would have always applied, but now we have the wording to give it teeth.

[Frau Klimawechsel]

AGW topics are introduced by the Powerline author in *his* last full paragraph.

[narciso]

It's a good thing, you're on our side, bgates, as to the Phillip Kerr review of Taylor and Steinacher fairly iluminating,
although the latter's contention that there
was no ODESSA, seems contrarian, Captain,

[glasater]

IANAL TK-

I think the WH legal scholar in chief would ignore "the latest Tenth Amendment ruling".

[Threadkiller]

Don't worry, MarkO made me a "Google" lawyer!

[glasater]

When you see "innovation", think people's democracy and respond accordingly. Perversion of language to cover opposite agenda.

Scary isn't it rse?

[Captain Hate]

the latter's contention that there
was no ODESSA, seems contrarian, Captain

Yeah I scratched my head a bit on that one.

[glasater]

TK-

I thank the Good Lord every day for the humor you and bgates provide!

[Clarice]

Me, too, glasater.

[narciso]

Ugh, that Henninger interview with Huntsman, was cringeworthy

[narciso]

So 'we'll always have Wisconsin' another anonymously sourced attack on Judge Prosser,
witnessed by Harvey, the Easter Bunny and
Wilfred, the talking Australian dog man,

[Frau Klimawechsel]

Well, well, TK, now a self-confessed shyster?

[henry]

Re Illinois govt scams. For the past two years Illinois has not paid tax refunds due corporations, and is increasing estimated tax payments (unpaid refunds cannot offset current year estimated taxes). At some point it will make sense to stop servicing private sector customers in Illinois.

[Frau Klimawechsel]

Ha! Algore has the Midas touch in reverse. LUN via Insty.

[narciso]

I thought Mead was too charitable, by half, it must be that Groton and Yale tie, that
still leaves a residue.

[Melinda Romanoff]

henry-

If you made a campaign contribution to a Democratic candidate in the last election cycle, you got a refund.

[Melinda Romanoff]

And I know nothing about the content of "Inside Job".

[narciso]

The film, is what it purports to describe,
Melinda, it paints those like Gznaida, who got us into this mess, as an unsung hero,

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Michele Admits Propaganda Bureaus Are a Great Help

First Lady Michelle Obama (watch the video at the link) once again creates a dubious aura around the question of her intelligence during an interview with CNN; once again, she was thrown the typical softball question meant to tug at the heart strings of America and ends up looking like a fool.

The CNN reporter asked this inane question with the disjointed grammar that has become typical of the State Directed Media:

CNN reporter: “How’s the family ready for this [the election]? It’s going to be quite vicious, isn’t it? How do you prepare for that?”

With forethought and grammar that belies her Ivy League education, the First Lady responds:

“You know, it’s … we’re ready, you know. Our children, you know, could care less about what we’re doing. We work hard to do that. Fortunately, we have help from the media. I have to say this: I’m very grateful for the support and kindness that we’ve gotten. People have respected their privacy and in that way, I think, you know, no matter what people may feel about my husband’s policies or what have you, they care about children and that’s been good to see.”

[Danube of Thought]

I just wish John V. Lindsay had lived to see this is print.

[narciso]

Those of you, who are New Yorkers, what was
the deal with Lindsay, was he just the Bloomberg of the day, or imminently more clueless.

[Danube of Thought]

The Tenth Amendment applies to the Executive Branch every bit as much as it does to the Congress. However, the Bond ruling doesn't do much except grant standing to individuals to sue in the circumstances of that case.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

I have tried 3 times to post a link to Gateway Pundit regarding Boca Raton charging the Tea Party $6000 for services, while not charging Move-On.org a dime just a couple days earlier. And an update to the post that tells us that Donald Trump stepped in a paid the bill for the Tea Party.

I cannot get the two links to post, so I'm going to try "hiding" it here. Scroll to the end of that link to find the Update link on Trump.

[Threadkiller]

--"Our children, you know, could care less about what we’re doing."--

Not quite "proud" yet.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

what was the deal with Lindsay

Narciso: Back when I was a young and nubile 20 year old, Lindsey was Mayor and I remember sitting with my boss at a Denny's-like restaurant at about 1 AM (we were on our way back from a work-related day trip) and he and another person with us going on and on about how smart Lindsey was and how they hoped he'd run for President.

We were about 2/3rds of the way back to Buffalo from Syracuse and I was so clueless, I had no idea who they were talking about. I remember sitting there thinking I had the smartest boss in the world for knowing so much about everything. I shudder in looking back at how completely naive I was at that age and how vulnerable I was at that age to the opinions of those I admired or even who I thought of as adults.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

It was also at that quickie meal that my boss said to me, "You are still drinking milk with your meals, aren't you alittle old for that?" I remember wanting to crawl under the table.

[Threadkiller]

I am humbled by the comments above. I am blessed that I found this site. I could have no better family. Thank you.

[Danube of Thought]

Seems Romney has appropriated Maggie Thatcher's campaign poster. Good one:

[Threadkiller]

Pet peeve:

"could care less" vs. "couldn't care less"

[Clarice]

Heh, DoT. Though I do think people who kiss and tell deserve to be shot. (Consider that fair warning,) Smooooch

[Janet]

Look who's buying up flood ravaged farm land.

[narciso]

File that under TMI, and Eww, as to the latest news out of Wisconsin:

Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser allegedly grabbed fellow Justice Ann Walsh Bradley around the neck in an argument in her chambers last week, according to at least three knowledgeable sources.

Details of the incident, investigated jointly by Wisconsin Public Radio and the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism, remain sketchy. The sources spoke on the condition that they not be named, citing a need to preserve professional relationships.

[rse]

Each of the Rep hopeful's should read Claire Berlinski's excellent bio of Thatcher's rise and years of power- There is No Alternative.

Esp important to come up with current American and foreign policy versions of why there is no alternative to escaping this spiral downward.

[Janet]

And here is a video on Agenda 21 from TrevorLoudon's blog.

The comment by Dennis Cleveland is good (at 9:47)...my town, Arlington Virginia is a member of ICLEI (International Council of Local Environmental Initiatives)

[Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet]

...according to at least three knowledgeable sources.

The sources spoke on the condition that they not be named, citing a need to preserve professional relationships.

I love those knowledgeable anonymous sources. They are so reliable.

[Janet]

Agenda 21 equals national suicide.

"smart growth" & "sustainable management of open spaces" are 2 of their buzz phrases.

[Danube of Thought]

And isn't it just ducky that they want to "preserve professional relationships" while trashing the guy.

[Danube of Thought]

Well, who wouldn't want to grab her around the neck?

[narciso]

That's just the 'cherry on top' Danube.

[boris]

I suppose it is possible they have him dead to rights but are looking for some way to arrange something other than a Scott Walker appointed replacement.

[Clarice]

Anything's possible, Boris , but I find the entire story exceedingly fishy. Ay reason why the supposed victim hasn't been interviewed?

[Porchlight]

According to the article, this is being investigated by Wisconsin Public Radio and the Wisconsin Center for Investigative Journalism, so the "they" in question doesn't sound like anyone other than leftist journoweenies.

What are the odds that there were any witnesses? Why did it take a week for it to leak?

This sets off my spidey sense exactly like the *uke *acrosse *ase did when it broke.

*trying to stay under hit and run's BFF's radar

[Porchlight]

--"Our children, you know, could care less about what we’re doing."--

Is she calling her husband a liar? According to Barry, Malia "Daddy, have you plugged the hole yet?" Obama cares very much about what they're doing.

[jimmyk]

the fireman in the film, from the Greenlining institute, name escapes (honestly) was the arsonist

I saw "Inside Job", and Narciso has it about right. While about 50% of it is valid, and it does criticize both Democrats and Republicans in Washington (in addition to Wall Street), having to sit through the pontificating Bawney Fwank, the guy from the Greenlining Institute, and Soros was almost more than I could bear. Also, the "60 Minutes"-style "gotcha" clips of some of the academics made even Michael Moore look even-handed. Still, if you can get past all that, there's about 30 minutes worth of value.

[glasater]

Thanks Janet for the Agenda 21 links.

I'll pass them along to our local Tea Party leader who's in the Tea Party Patriots group.

[hit and run]

Porchlight:

*trying to stay under hit and run's BFF's radar

Awww,I miss her.

[Porchlight]

That makes one of us, hit. :)

[Extraneus]

I am speaking of the deductibility of state income tax.

What a diabolically interesting idea, bgates.

As for whether Lindsay was "unattractive," as Florance Henderson contends, my mother would have begged to differ. I remember my father being outraged that she voted for Lindsay for mayor, which she claimed was due to his handsomeness, although I'm quite certain she avoided a one-night stand with the late mayor. Unlike my late aunt, who was quite hot in her day, and who I suspect had at least one romp with John Gotti, judging by the euphemisms that were being thrown around at the time.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

If someone steals $72 million from you does it really matter whether the vehicle they used to get the funds was AGW or one of the thousands of other fraud schemes?

It does if you're trying to blame it on AGW.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

As long as the story is in the context of speculation about withheld details ... "slimey" doesn't apply IMO.

Sounds good, Boris. Then clearly it won't bother you if I suggest that the withheld details might show you were the recipient of the $72 million.

The logic is just as strong, after all.

[Extraneus]

No accounting for taste.

[boris]

"The logic is just as strong, after all"

Perhaps in a cosmic abstraction sort of way. Still I have not been the subject of any coverups nor would Nature be inclined to cover for me. On the other hand should I expect super-pedant to come to my defense?

[Charlie (Colorado)]

it would show the Democrats how committed we are to bipartisanship, it would give the patriotic citizens of places like New York and California and Massachusetts the opportunity to send more money to the government without just doing so voluntarily, and it sure wouldn't bother anybody in places like Texas or Florida.

I like that idea so much I'm gonna pitch it on Tatler.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Well it would bother me.

[jimmyk]

Almost forgot, in addition to Soros et al, the horrid Christine Lagarde is also cast as a heroine despite her corrupt doings.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Perhaps in a cosmic abstraction sort of way.

Yeah, that's why logic is so unpopular: its the sort of nasty cosmic abstraction, like Truth, that keeps getting in the way of what people wish was true.

Still I have not been the subject of any coverups nor would Nature be inclined to cover for me.

Hmmm. So was it actually Anthony Weiner's fault? he's been the subject of coverups, and the editorial board at Nature might well want to cover for him.

On the other hand should I expect super-pedant to come to my defense?

Should someone actually accuse you of being responsible for a $72 million fraud, using as evidence the fact that there's no actual statement accusing someone else, yes, you can expect me to come to your defense.

[Jane]

Hey guys, what about those of us who carry the torch in the hardest places to do so?

Contributions?

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Well it would bother me.

I think you'd really like Texas.

[Charlie (Colorado)]

Hey guys, what about those of us who carry the torch in the hardest places to do so?

That image makes me very uncomfortable.

[JackisBack!]

As a society and republic under significant stress (i.e. economy, debt, jihadis, drug wars, education, etc.), it is welcome that here in Florida only the weather and Casey Anthony are available to keep our mind without worry. Every major network local station - CBS, ABC, FOX, & NBC have wall to wall coverage and got mighty PO'd today when the judge adjourned until Monday. The only exception is when there is an imminent threat of rain which we follow on radar as if it was a sqaudron of Russian bombers headed our way. And this is the country who put man on the moon but still elected. fool as President. At least we don't have an income tax and let women only marry men.

[jimmyk]

I like that idea so much I'm gonna pitch it on Tatler.

It's an idea that's been kicked around before. For example, it was one of the recommendations of Bush's tax reform panel.

I'm opposed to anything that increases government revenues, except by economic growth. If this were coupled with tax rate cuts that made it revenue neutral I'd go along with it (even though I'm in NY).

[Extraneus]

Me too, and didn't you say it would only take $5K to get yourself there? Maybe we could take up a collection, and you could post the totals as they get closer and closer. (Sara has a PayPal link at her site, btw.)

[boris]

Is this actually an accusation? ...

Could it have been in the climate science domain, where the most government research money seems to be sloshing around? We know that there has been organized fraud in the European carbon trading market. Trading had to be halted back in January when it was discovered that millions of dollars of carbon allowances had been stolen and cashed on the spot market, so this wouldn't be the first time that organized crime had fixed on the climate circus as an easy mark. And one of the overlooked e-mails in the "Climategate" scandal involving the East Anglia University Climate Research Unit two years ago was a message from one of the scientists suggesting that a particular grant be routed through a Russian organization as a means of tax evasion.

Or just casual speculation framed as a question.

IIRC Willie Sutton chose banks to rob because that's where the money is.

[peter]

Let us not forget that in his early iteration, John Lindsay was a Republican. I used to love the way Mike Quill called him Lindsley.

[Ignatz]

--Pet peeve:

"could care less" vs. "couldn't care less"--

Likewise, TK.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

Ah Ext, you are so sweet.

[Danube of Thought]

"Begs the question" vs. "raises the question."

[Clarice]

Elogiag‎ RT @WikileaksAR: URGENT! Hugo Chavez died of heart attack today in Cuba. 06/25/11 08:43AM
Twitter - 3 seconds ago

[Clarice]

I can't get confirmation of the Chavez report yet.

[glasater]

This little video is just something:

GoPro Camera Keeps on Filming as Seagull Flies Away with It

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

I did read this morning that he had been hospitalized in Cuba, so maybe it is true.

[Clarice]

There are credible reports from yesterday that he was in critical condition post-surgery in Cuba.

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

I remember thinking, who, with his kind of access to money, would pick Cuba for his medical care.