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Captain Hate

Obama is very convincing in his peeved and petulant mode, but no one wants to watch that for long.

Yeah, being around spoiled and screaming brats in public is never pleasant.

steve

I would do something a bit different...

The House should pass a bill authorizing $XX of increase in the debt AND $XXXX of cuts in actual spending... and send it to the Senate.

Under this scenario, either the Senate Democrats vote yes... or they're the ones shutting down government, or they pass it and Obama vetoes the bill, making him the one who shut down government.

And if either the Senate Dems or Obama kill it, the House GOP submits pretty much the same bill the very next day, again forcing the Senate Dems and Obama to accept ownership of the shutdown.

I analogize (somewhat) it to the legal doctrine of proximate cause... the last one who can stop the problem but doesn't, is the one who gets the blame. The public won't care about the reasons Obama said no, all they'll get is that he could have kept it from happening... but didn't.

And a bonus: this is so simple, such a straightforward talking point ('Obama is the one shutting down government') that even the usually PR inept GOP ought to be able to stick to the script. Not that they will, but they could.

Chubby

LOL! Drudge's leading headline

BIG BASH PLANNED DAY AFTER AMERICA GOES BROKE...
$35,800 per couple...

Ranger

Reposted from another thread:

Hmmm... Interesting stuff over at The Corner.

First off, the snare begins to tighten:

Boehner Won’t Rule Out McConnell Option

So, Obama may be presented with a "bipartisan" approach that will doom him to actually proposing cuts, and face three votes between now and next November.

Why would the Dems go along with this though?

This might have something to do with it:

Generic Republican Surges Ahead

Gallup:

PRINCETON, NJ — Registered voters by a significant margin now say they are more likely to vote for the “Republican Party’s candidate for president” than for President Barack Obama in the 2012 election, 47% to 39%. Preferences had been fairly evenly divided this year in this test of Obama’s re-election prospects.


Obama's re-elect numbers are starting to look really bad as this wears on. Dems in the Senate may be looking for a lifeboat right about now.

Ranger

A little more on poll numbers via RCP today:

Iowa President
Mason-Dixon

Romney (R) 47

Obama (D) 44

Romney (R) +3.0

Iowa President
Mason-Dixon

Obama (D) 47

Bachmann (R) 46

Obama (D) +1.0


Obama only leads Bachmann in Iowa by 1%?

No wonder Obama is so tense and unhappy right now.

jimmyk

Steve, I agree, as long as the bill reflects something 60% of the public supports, which shouldn't be that hard.

Extraneus

I agree with Steve, too.

Thomas Collins

I like TM's approach, but I would have the House add a provision zeroing out high speed choo choos. Then, if Obama vetoes the bill, Dems can explain why Obama is defunding granny to protect dollars for Thomas the High Speed Tank Engine to Nowhere.

jimmyk

No wonder Obama is so tense and unhappy right now.

Dick Morris (yes, I know) says that if Obama is under 50% in polls against another candidate he'll lose--that all the undecideds go to the challenger. Take that for what it's worth.

Ranger

The general rule is that undecideds break 2 to 1 for the challenger. I have a feeling that it will be a little higher than that for Obama.

P

And if SS were private accounts that the government can't take, then the old people wouldn't have to worry right now would they.

JM Hanes

P:

I think government would already have figured out how to funnel money from private SS accounts even more directly into the government's checking account. After all, those are the folks who obviously have money to spare for savings, and they're just sitting on it, when patriots would be investing -- in public works! -- and feeding the poor.

DebinNC

Won't Reid just quarantine any stop-gap bill the House sends over so the Dems won't have to vote and Obama won't have to veto?

DebinNC

Are military checks in the same "I can't guarantee" category with Granny's SS? If so, Obama put them in jeapordy on the same day he awarded The Medal of Honor to Army Ranger Leroy Petry.

Ranger

BTW, I have the feeling that Obama's statement about how "This may bring my presidency down..." indicates he is watching these poll numbers very closely, and knows the trend is against him right now.

Carol Herman

If you knew history, you'd know Herbert Hoover thought he'd suck FDR dry. And, push himself into power through "the feather duster's" amazing presidential win in 1932.

Instead, Hoover crapped on the republican party.

FDR came in, and went over to Treasury. Where the plans had been set and jelled. And, began immediately IMPLEMENTING THEM.

FDR got credit for the fuck-up that Hoover caused.

How bad was it? The GOP was knocked out for a generation. 20 years. Only to have to go to Eisenhower ... who didn't work with the republican party. But he did give us NIXON.

Politics is the "odd couple." Somebody plays Felix, to somebody else's Oscar.

And, both McConnell and Boehner are incompetent!

Thank goodness for Sarah Palin.

bgates

The House should pass a bill authorizing $XX of increase in the debt AND $XXXX of cuts in actual spending

Normally I'm opposed to an increase in the debt limit, but I like the relative size of the numbers implied by those X's.

Carol Herman

The democraps are gonna be stealing us silly. By the time January 2013 rolls around, I expect that both chambers of congress; and all the office equipment ... will have been loaded onto trucks.

DC will be barren. And, short of any remedies. Death follows.

Danube of Thought

Morris has said that often and been wrong. And wrong on many other things as well.

I really do think the GOP House has many options, including Steve's proposal, for putting the potato on Obama's fork and making it his choice whether or not to shut down the government. And I think they should conclude--as they seem to have done--that he is not negotiating in good faith. Stop negotiating, start legislating.

Rob Crawford

And if SS were private accounts that the government can't take, then the old people wouldn't have to worry right now would they.

You know the fascist party's been searching for a way to get to our IRAs, right?

PDinDetroit

...for putting the potato on Obama's fork...

O'bama, good Irish lad that he is, should have nary an issue eating his potatoes. Aye, even tho they be Green...

Chubby

((I have the feeling that Obama's statement about how "This may bring my presidency down..." indicates he is watching these poll numbers very closely, and knows the trend is against him right now.))


maybe he's looking for a way to save face

Extraneus

Ah, that brings to mind another fine Irish negotiator.

"You've got to ask yourself one question, O'Bama: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya, punk?
steve

Bgates: I'd prefer $XXXXXXX in cuts to $X in additional debt, but I have a better chance of winning the lottery than ever seeing that happen.

Melinda Romanoff

Hi PDinDet!!

MarkO

For Obama it's the doctrine of last clear chance. He's on the hook or fork or something.

PaulL

What Ibama wants more than anything is to get $4 trillion or even $2.5 trillion in cuts.

The cuts won't actually happen, or even if they do, they're spread out over 10 or 12 years.

Ibama can then campaign as being fiscally responsible and one who takes deficits and debts seriously. One of the biggest issues that Republicans can use against him is thereby eliminated.

If Republicans get cuts, all they are doing is helping Ibama win election. They aren't getting anything in the deal except imaginary cuts years away.

JBS

Did any sane person ever think the One would negotiate in good faith?

DebinNC

Wonder how McConnell's plan could become even more unpalatable? Get Reid and Schumer involved and add a spending cuts commission to relieve Obama from ever having to put figures to paper.

JM Hanes

DebinNC:

Was it you who posted the Captain America link?

It had a very useful précis of the McConnell bill:

[I]t gives Obama an immediate increase in the debt ceiling to avoid a default. All he has to do is agree, up front, that increases in the debt ceiling must be accompanied by spending cuts, not tax increases. And he’s got to put his spending cuts in writing—dollar for dollar—for each debt ceiling increase: $700 billion, then $900 billion, and then another $900 billion.

Does anyone remember what the increase Obama initially proposed was? IIRC, he was asking for a lot more than it would take just to avoid default Armageddon. I think it was supposed to be/is a package which would "reduce the deficit" by borrowing and taxing enough to cover the spending he wants to do (sweetened with promissory notes on cuts). For some reason, $4+Trillion springs to mind.

McConnell's plan makes more sense if that's the case. Raise the debt ceiling outright just enough to avoid default. Then Obama gets $2.5 Trillion in incremental hikes and Republicans get $2.5 Trillion in identified cuts (which are clearly negotiable if Obama wants the hike). So the cutting, which Obama has to defend, would kick in early on, (ideally obviating the need to borrow all the way up to the limit which might or might not actually be granted the last time, just before the elections?). Meanwhile, taxes are never even on the table.

Republicans could then get a start on reworking the tax code (& the debt?), etc. (while Obama comes abegging for raises) with reforms which can be implemented in full should they take control of both houses, if their bills presumably get stalled before then.

Am I missing/misconstruing something here? I continue to think this is a Plan C; I'm just not convinced it's the blink that a lot of folks are so upset about. Obama would be insane agree to such a plan -- he'd be betting his presidency either way, so he's just been trying to turn a bug into a feature. The initial reaction from a couple of key Dems, however, suggests that with a tough election coming up, Republicans could, at least conceivably, split a useful number of them off from the President. They may just be waiting for Republicans to mortally shoot themselves in the foot, but the crickets also suggest that they're really nervous about positioning themselves here.

daddy

ADN reports that the nations 3rd largest Oil Company ConocoPhillips will split into two companies, one that produces oil and another that refines it into gasoline and other fuels.

I hope they are doing this for legitimate business reasons, and not as something to protect themselves from an over-regulating Government.

jimmyk

PaulL:
If Republicans get cuts, all they are doing is helping Ibama win election. They aren't getting anything in the deal except imaginary cuts years away.

I agree. That's why I've been saying I'd take $100B in immediate cuts over $2T in imaginary cuts over 10 years.

JMH:
Then Obama gets $2.5 Trillion in incremental hikes and Republicans get $2.5 Trillion in identified cuts

Yes, but my sense is they're still cuts in future spending against some fake benchmark, and cuts that may never materialize.

steve

How about simply defining 'cut' as a reduction in the amount spent? If spending is $X trillion this year, next year it is capped at $X trillion minus $XX billion.

It ain't that complicated, even the American public can understand that.

DebinNC

Was it you who posted the Captain America link?

No

JM Hanes

I'd just add that the McConnell plan may not look good to a boatload of conservatives, but it could play extremely well with the public, notwithstanding dismissive hand waving on the right. That fact might also help attract sufficient Dem votes in the Senate for passage. I'm not sure that wouldn't really be better for the country than going for the bill of Republican dreams in the House, which will almost certainly fail in the Senate. I think people (myself included) have been way too quick to assume the latter could be played to political advantage, and slow to justify doing it for that purpose alone.

JM Hanes

jimmyk:

"Yes, but my sense is they're still cuts in future spending against some fake benchmark, and cuts that may never materialize."

I think that's one thing that the McConnell plan is designed to prevent. The Prez doesn't get his debt ceiling hike unless Congress approves the cuts that he's required to proffer in black & white.

The calculus I haven't done has to do with putting the enabling bills on the Senate/House table, vote counts and veto power/overrides etc. I have the impression that McConnell threw a sweetener into the technicalities of passage somewhere that could come back to bite us, but I maxed out before I got to that part of the equation.

MCL

Any proposed cuts from the Dems at this point are meaningless because no baseline has been established to cut from (i.e. no CBO scoreable budget proposal from the Dems). All they are doing right now is a big game of fantasy budget ball.

anduril

Taking a break from other activities, so I thought I'd offer a h/t to narciso, whom I called an idiot yesterday. Some of you may think that I spend a lot of time searching out dirt on evangelical Catholic haters, but the truth is quite otherwise. For example, I had a general notion that Rick Perry had some extreme religious ideas, but that was based on "second hand" info that wasn't overly specific. I didn't go searching because I figured it would surface sooner or later.

So, when narciso posted earlier today about Perry's association with Hagee (whom I've heard of) and some Wagner guy I'd never heard of, I thought I'd look a bit deeper. A very quick google came up with this page re Perry's Christian prayer summit in Houston next month: Are Perry and Obama responsible for the religious company they keep?

The reporter makes it clear that this is Perry's event, not some evangelical event that he's coopting. Hagee and Wagner will be there, along with another guy who's otherwise unknown to me: John Benefiel, who says the Statue of Liberty is "a demonic idol." Yikes!

It's all fine and good to make fun of Obama, but it's like in basketball--you can't just throw your gym shoes or jock strap or whatever out on the floor, you've got to bring a game that can win. Are the GOPers really doing that with some of these kooky candidates or near candidates? I'm of the opinion that Obama could end up winning almost by default, incredible as that idea may seem.

Jane says obamasucks

Drudge headline: FBI probes Murdoch. Is there anyone who doesn't believe this administration will try and topple Fox news before the election.

And look at the regs they are imposing on Texas to make Perry look bad.

This is the most corrupt administration ever!

Rick Ballard

JMH,

I look at the McDonnell offer as an arbitrator in a binding arbitration would. If we take the representations made by the President at their face value, then I would construe the McDonnell proposal as a good faith offer in settlement. I believe that the Muddle (to the extent that they are capable of understanding the basic premise) would see it as such as well. If what I believe is actually true, then McDonnell has trumped the President politically.

As a purely political matter, the offer is a goblet of cyanide with three double barbed treble hooks as sweeteners but the President is placed in the position of having to acknowledge all the porkies he's been telling in order to refuse it.

MayBee

Thank goodness, Tapper asked Jay Carney which is worse: Defaulting on the Debt or passing a short term fix.

Answer at Political Punch.

PaulL

Ibama secretly wants big cuts. Secretly because he can't admit it to his base. But he needs cuts because otherwise he has no response to endless commercials saying "President Obama raised the debt by $X trillion."

So, my prediction, and I'm usually wrong, is that at the last moment we get a $2.5 trillion increase in the ceiling and the same amount in cuts.

Ibama will tell his base that he was forced to accept the cuts or risk the ruin of the nation. He will at the same time say that he actually wanted $4 trillion in cuts, but evil Republicans, etc. He will run as a fiscal conservative.

Extraneus

Drudge is headlining an 8% advantage of Generic Republican over DOTUS.

Janet...um...err...I'm almost certain I am Janet

To whom it may concern - Shut up.

maryrose

Maybee:
I think Tapper is appalled at how unserious Obama is and that he is acting like a petulant child, stamping his feet when he doesn't get his own way.I think everyone trying to lie about Obama walking out and piling on Cantor{paging Harry Reid} are covering for Obama's sorry ass behavior.

Danube of Thought

Boehner has made it pretty clear that the days of budgetary gimmicks are over. I hope that means what I think it means, viz., no pie-in-the-sky "cuts" to occur 10-12 years out.

MayBee

Maryrose- I think Obama was just too transparent on this one.

Carol Herman

It's not Kabuki. It's Keystone.

Carol Herman

Gallop sucks. If they were an honest outfit, they'd poll for a 3-way contest. And, then the stupid party would be in 3rd place!

Can't wait for August. When Sarah Palin says "all good candidates must declare by August." And, I see her, in her ONE NATION bus ... pulling out of her parked spot. And, into traffic! Lots of good will come of this.

While all the DC lemmings will have kanip-shit-fits.

JM Hanes

anduril:

"Some of you may think that I spend a lot of time searching out dirt on evangelical Catholic haters"

Looked like a pretty safe bet to me.

"Are Perry and Obama responsible for the religious company they keep?"

Are you responsible for all the views which the folks you cut & paste have expressed?

Hmm.

Perry sponsors a public day of fasting and prayer, whose fellow "[s]ponsors represent a range of Christian views, but some clearly are outside the mainstream."

The horror!

Obama soaks up Rev. Wright's sermons for 20 years, and calls him a mentor, before throwing him under the bus.

Hmmm.

Elliott

So, what, exactly, is Obama's justification for imperiling America's solvency by irresponsibly affixing his signature to the extension of the Bush tax cuts?

Want vs Need

"Dick Morris (yes, I know) says that if Obama is under 50% in polls against another candidate he'll lose--that all the undecideds go to the challenger. Take that for what it's worth."

What's gonna be fun is challengers to the status-quo in BOTH Parties.

Imagine a candidate winning with 26% of the vote......

"thank you Sarah Palin"

Thomas Collins

See LUN for the Tapper/Carney exchange referenced in MayBee's 5:19 PM post. Carney acknowledges at the end of the exchange that the Administration will agree to something to prevent a default:

"CARNEY: Because we don't have to get there. We're not going to default, Jake. We're not going to default. I think I, in the answer to two previous questions before I got to you, made clear that no one in the room thinks we're going to default and the president and the vice president don't think we're going to default. So it's a hypothetical that we don't even have to entertain."

JM Hanes

Somebody must have shuffled Carney's index cards.

maryrose

Carney is filibustering an answer there. In fact Obama did slip up and would default if he can't get his way.
The American people are not on Obama's side as the polls indicate. he won't get any help there. No talks at Camp David Once again Obama only offers non-solutions-as if location will give him a different outcome. That only works in the real estate business.

Want vs Need

This seems to have jumped the Big Pond. Is there a bridge across the diminutive Atlantic?

Australia PM open to media review after News scandal

by Amy Coopes
AFP Asian Edition

Jul 14, 2011 11:58 EDT

Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard said Thursday she was "shocked and disgusted" by the News Corporation phone hacking scandal and warned of a possible inquiry into media regulation and ownership.


Australia's Greens party has called for a parliamentary review of the nation's media, in which News Corporation's boss Rupert Murdoch is a dominant player, adding to the pressure on his embattled global empire.

News Limited, Murdoch's Australian operations, said it would "co-operate with any inquiry into media in Australia," but said the scope of any probe would need to be clearly defined.

Thomas Collins

Want vs. Need, in the Election of 1860, which was far more splintered than the Election of 2012 is going to be, Lincoln was in the upper 30s in terms of popular vote percentage. So there is no need to imagine a candidate winning with 26 percent of the popular vote (see also, for example, the Nixon/Humphrey/Wallace 1968 election, and the GHW Bush/Clinton/Perot 1992 election, in which the winners won over 40 percent of the popular vote notwithstanding strong third party challengers).

Want vs Need

Of course Gillard is Labor, so the investigation is hacked
by liberal bias.

Elliott

In light of the recent environmental news relating to Texas, perhaps Perry will soon be off seeking greener pastors.

MayBee

Elliott- I think he saw it as a sacrificial lamb. If he didn't sign the bill extending Bush tax rates, he wouldn't have an issue to run on for reelection. And if he doesn't win reelection, the new guy might not raise taxes on the rich.

Want vs Need

Thomas. I was only speculating on the possibility. Is there a precedent wherein both parties had a split during the same election. I'm not talking long-shot pot lickers bringing in 1 or 2 percent....

JM Hanes

From the President who exhorted everyone to sacrifice their scared cows:

The president has made a bipartisan agreement even more difficult by declaring certain spending off-limits to cuts. Mr. Obama's "untouchable" list includes his $1 trillion health-care reform, $128 billion in unspent stimulus funds, education and training outlays, his $53 billion high-speed rail proposal, spending on "green" jobs and student loans, and virtually any structural changes to entitlements except further squeezing payments to doctors, hospitals and health-care professionals.

JM Hanes

As you were, scared cows.

jimmyk

Do scared cows give off more CO2?

Want vs Need

Rovian anal-gazing meets Kos on credibility, but it's any port in a shit-storm, I guess.

rse

You mean all those things designed to fundamentally transform America?

He's not willing to back off on that?

Want vs Need

Why is Mittens and Paws so silent in the face of calamity?

MarkO

From what I know, scared cows give off volumes of methane. Sacred cows, not nearly so much because they are relaxed.

Yipee.

Want vs Need

Quinnipiac

American voters disapprove 56 - 38 percent of the way President Barack Obama is handling the economy, but by 45 - 38 percent they trust the president more than congressional Republicans to handle the economy, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released today.

The country is in a recession, 71 percent of American voters say, but by 54 - 27 percent they blame former President George W. Bush more than President Obama.

The president gets a 47 - 46 percent job approval rating, unchanged from the June 9 survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University. That tops a 64 - 28 percent disapproval for Democrats in Congress and a 65 - 26 percent disapproval for Republicans. Obama outscores congressional Republicans on several points in the deficit reduction battle:
Voters will blame Republicans over Obama 48 - 34 percent if the debt limit is not raised;
Voters say 67 - 25 percent that an agreement to raise the debt ceiling should include tax hikes for the wealthy and corporations, not just spending cuts;
Voters say 45 - 37 percent that Obama's proposals to raise revenues are "closing loopholes," rather than "tax hikes";
But voters say 57 - 30 percent that Obama's proposals will impact the middle class, not just the wealthy.
"The American people aren't very happy about their leaders, but President Barack Obama is viewed as the best of the worst, especially when it comes to the economy," said Peter A. Brown, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling institute.

Want vs Need

"Best of the Worst"

Wow.

Jim Miller

If you like split votes, and odd results, I recommend the 1824 presidential election.

But do take the popular vote with a grain of salt, since many states did not have popular votes for president then.

MayBee

Moo!

Steve in SoCal

When Obama says "this could bring down my presidency" he means two things.

He can read the poll numbers. And I would wager they are even worse than are being published. If he's underwater in Fl, Ohio picks up steam due to Kasich and Pennsylvania is a struggle, what does this say? And if he's underwater, has no coattails, what do Senate dems do? They are already looking at fighting for more seats than the repubs. . . and if push comes to shove, guess who's going to spend all of his campaign cash, regardless if he is able to win or not? He surely isn't giving it to the DSSC or whatever. Even if he's declared the loser two weeks before the general election.

Second, it allows him to fall on his sword while maintaining he "held to his prnciples, election be damned." This provides him with an excuse for losing the election of "I held to my principles but lost so I'm still better than all of you" and he doesn't have to admit that it was his policies that caused his defeat. It was his "principled" stand. Martyr if your will. "He risked his career for America" headlines.

The markets may rally with a deficit deal. But people aren't going to start hiring. Gov't defaults and interest rates sky rocket, many small businesses can't get loans now. Paying no interest on a loan you don't have now, isn't going to change how much interest you pay later on a loan you can't get.

Want vs Need

Jim;

Whew! Imagine the House selecting the winner in 2012.

New Zealand is looking better.........

Want vs Need

Electricity grid operator calls for conservation today

By Elizabeth Souder/Reporter
esouder@dallasnews.com | Bio
1:49 PM on Thu., Jul. 14, 2011 | Permalink

The state electricity grid operator is calling on Texans to conserve energy this afternoon as a nuclear plant outage and high temperatures cause tight supply.

The Electric Reliability Council of Texas asked consumers on Thursday to cut back on electricity during the peak hours of 3 p.m. to 7 p.m.

"We are expecting the statewide power supplies to be very tight over peak today, primarily due to the forecast for continued temperature extremes which causes higher than normal electricity use, and because of unexpected unit outages," said Kent Saathoff, vice president of grid operations and system planning.

He said if additional generation units go down, or electricity demand rises too high, ERCOT may have to begin emergency procedures. That involves shutting off customers in a systematic way to preserve the grid.

Also, Nuclear Regulator Commission spokesman Victor Drix said one of the reactor units at the Comanche Peak plant shut down for unplanned maintenance on Monday. He said he doesn't know when the unit will go back into service.

MarkO

Moo who.

Porchlight

Why is Mittens and Paws so silent in the face of calamity?

Why, indeed? Prospective GOP primary voters would like to know.

JM Hanes

It sure doesn't take Negotiation 101 to figure out what the Prez really wants here:

Over the last several days the White House has been walking back the savings on the Biden number. Thursday it was $2 trillion, Monday it was $1.7-1.8 trillion, Tuesday it was $1.6-1.7-1.8 trillion. This morning our staff met with White House folks and the wrap up from that meeting said that the WH is now at $1.5 trillion

Jennifer Rubin who seems pretty plugged into the Hill, reports that the White House talks are effectively irrelevant now, and that there are discussions going on about what sort of modifications to the McConnell plan would be required to sell it to the House. Per Rubin, "In addition to Ryan, Speaker of the House Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio) is leaving the door open on the McConnell plan."

Want vs Need

Sandy Levinson on the Largest Confiscation of Personal Property in American history.

So the "Constitutional crisis" would presumably be the achievement of ultimate dysfunctionality, i.e., the inability of the two Houses of Congress to agree on legislation that would allow the United States to get out of this mess. And the dysfunctionality would obviously be caused, at least in part, by our Constitution and its utter lack of recognition of the role that political parties would play in our political system (as Joey Fishkin noted). If this is in fact the case, then why doesn't Section 4 spring back into life as a genuinely attractive option? The President can go on television on July 30 (or whatever the practicaly last possible moment is) and say that he has been advised by (some of) his lawyers that the Constitution is indeed not a suicide pact and that Section 4 does in fact authorize him to take whatever steps are necessary to leave the national debt "unquestioned."

Why, for example, is that argument weaker than Lincoln's argument in the Emancipation Proclamation, which was one of the world's monumental takings of private property in the name of the war power? FDR, in his 1933 Inaugural address, said that we should treat the Great Depression as the equivalent of war and behave accordingly (even as he rejected calls, by Walter Lippmann among others) formally to claim dictatorial powers. Are Eric Cantor and his minions not engaged in a fundamental war against the American economy, and is it really the case, to return to a previous post, that the only response by the President is to accept Prof. Tribe's altogether cogent arguments and accept our being driven over the cliff? (Or, to stick with the war metaphor, he could engage in basically unconditional surrender to Cantor and say that the Democratic Party will simply withdraw from the scene.)"
http://balkin.blogspot.com/

JM Hanes

WvN:

As someone who believes in checking out actual source material, googling up links for your remontant cut & pastes is becoming really tedious -- and particularly annoying when you could easily just copy/paste the url into your posts too.

Gimme a break, please.

Want vs Need

Try to do better.

mikey

If I am not mistaken, this appears to be a major loss for Obama. No tax increases demoralizes his base and his conduct and inability to swoop at the end and get a deal makes him look churlish and impotent.

Finally, the punditry class misread the politics. Obama needs the deal badly. He couldnt let the country default. As for assigning blame, he is running against a Replubican challenger for his job not against Boehner or Cantor or the House republicans. If he defaulted the challenger, maybe Romney
would he a field day picking him apart.

Good reason why Romney has remained silent?

JM Hanes

I suddenly remember why I started giving Sandy Levinson a pass, although using metaphorical civil war to invoke Lincolnesque depredations on the Constitution in the name of freeing a dysfunctional economy from the yoke of Eric Cantor and his minions is certainly inventive.

Annoying Old Guy
Are Eric Cantor and his minions not engaged in a fundamental war against the American economy

Not. That's Obama and the Democratic Party who seem to be laboring under the goal (or delusion) that we don't have an economy, only government spending.

Rick Ballard

mikey,

The magnitude of the blow to His Royal Lowness will only become apparent when the Speaker introduces the amount for the immediate cuts demanded by the Tea Party in order to accept that horrible, terrible McConnell plan. (My estimate is about $150 billion.)

Reid signaled yesterday that King Putts and the prog caucus are on their own. Hope they enjoy the fishhooks.

centralcal

Thanks for speaking up, JMH. W v. N needs to stop with his old cut and paste crap. A link will work fine. You want to express "your opinion" in a wordy fashion W v. N, that is different.

Want vs Need

In 1985 Murdoch was made a citizen so he could buy MetroMedia. There is nothing I can find about how his fasttracking road to C. was accomplished. it is rumored it was by Senatorial edict promulgated by Reagan, who coincidentally, issued an executive order in 1987 to
eliminate the FCC's "Fairness Doctrine".

Is that better, JMH?

I`ll Become U.s. Citizen, Murdoch Tells Fcc
Move Would Clear Way For Purchase Of Tv Stations

May 04, 1985|By Daniel Rosenheim.

Australian publisher Rupert Murdoch told federal regulators Friday that he plans to become an American citizen in order to qualify to buy six of the nation`s largest television stations.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1985-05-04/business/8501280019_1_murdoch-spokesman-murdoch-control-australian-publisher-rupert-murdoch
Murdoch also might have to sell two of his newspapers, the Chicago Sun-Times and the New York Post, to meet Federal Communications Commission regulations that prohibit the ownership of a major television station and a major newspaper in the same city.

anduril

Judge Rules for Pro-Life Girls Shackled, Strip Searched

The whole article is worth a read, just to see what can and does happen in Amerika these days to politically incorrect demonstrators. This pithy selection is from the judge's opinion, but be sure to read what these young girls were subjected to by "law enforcement":

“[A] reasonable police officer faced with the facts confronted by the Defendants would have known that, in ordering the demonstrators to leave Harford County, he would violate the Plaintiffs’ First Amendment rights,” the court ruled. “Moreover, arresting the Plaintiffs for exercising those rights was a violation of the Plaintiffs’ Fourth Amendment rights. In engaging in this manifestly unlawful behavior, the individual officers could not have reasonably misapprehended the law, nor can it be said that they made a bad guess in a gray area.”

The Appeals Court dismissed an earlier appeal:

The appeals court dismissed the appeal on the grounds that material questions of fact were presented as to whether the police defendants acted in good faith. Indeed, plaintiffs already adduced compelling evidence of bad faith, including legally baseless arrests followed by failure to prosecute belated criminal charges, needless strip searches of fully peaceable, nonviolent demonstrators, and 911 tapes and police recordings. The recordings showed how police enforced a “heckler’s veto” (acting on phone calls objecting to the content of protest signs) in making the arrests, and showing deep police bias — with officers commenting “…they can sit in a cell for an hour … or three or four and rot.”

During the initial event, the pro-life people were arrested without warning by Harford County State Troopers during their multi-city protest featuring abortions signs. At least a dozen police officers arrived in more than seven marked vehicles.

They had started their peaceful pro-life event along a public road in Harford County but relocated to the town of Bel Air after being told by officers to leave the county for not having a county permit to engage in free speech activities. The officers then arrested them in Bel Air without explanation.

Once in custody, three young women among the group arrested–two of whom were teenagers–were subjected to two rounds of strip searches. Only after the strip searches and a night spent in jail were they told why they were arrested.

The first search took place in the police station parking lot in front of other males. A female officer pulled out the young ladies’ shirt collars to inspect their breasts before reaching down their pants to feel around their waistlines.

The Harford County Detention Center administered the second strip search after the pro-life participants were transferred there. A female officer took the women one by one into a bathroom with a partially open door and ordered them to lift up their shirts and brassieres. Officials cast the pro-life participants in leg irons, denied them permission to call parents until after midnight.

The SOB defendants "will proceed to a jury trial for the assessment of damages only." And I hope every jury member is a parent. Hey, just a normal human being.

Ignatz

--The president has made a bipartisan agreement even more difficult by declaring certain spending off-limits to cuts. Mr. Obama's "untouchable" list includes his $1 trillion health-care reform, $128 billion in unspent stimulus funds, education and training outlays, his $53 billion high-speed rail proposal, spending on "green" jobs and student loans, and virtually any structural changes to entitlements except further squeezing payments to doctors, hospitals and health-care professionals.--

So his idea of compromise is some nice big tax hikes and cutting defense to the bone, since that's about all that's left.
What he really meant to say the other day is "everybody else needs to eat their peas; I'll be having my cake and eating it too".

Want vs Need

centracal;

LONNNNNNGGGG c&p was the irritation. Now it's any.

Stop negotiating like Cantor. You'll have to scroll.

Everyone uses them. Go fish.

centralcal

My nightly leaving work Twitter report:

Bret_Baier
Should be interesting RT @markknoller WH Communications Dir @pfeiffer44 says Pres. Obama will hold a news conference tomorrow at 11am/EDT.

ANOTHER NEWS CONFERENCE? ::eyeroll::

JM Hanes

Hi Steve in SoCal:

"They are already looking at fighting for more seats than the repubs. . . and if push comes to shove, guess who's going to spend all of his campaign cash, regardless if he is able to win or not?"

That sounds right to me. He'll condescend to appearances with other candidates here & there, while sucking up the financial & media oxygen for himself. The first thing Obama did when he became the official Dem nominee was to move party HQ to Chicago, and tell groups like moveon.org to quit raising money on their own and start telling their donor base to contribute directly to the DNC (A.K.A. Obama Inc.).

anduril

WvN, what it's about is they want you to paste recipes.

narciso

They really do think they have any relevance, don't they cc. I'm reminded of a line from
the fairly dreadful 'Air America', voiced by
Robert Downey Jr's character, re Nixon;

'Heckle and Jeckle are on TV, as well, doesn't
mean they are real."

Sara (Pal2Pal)

No Anduril: I would prefer he post the link and a paragraph or two of copy set off by blockquotes and end with a comment of his own as to why he thinks the link is right, wrong, worth considering, a load a crap, or whatever.

Porchlight

Yes! Another lecture on corporate jets! Bring it!

cathyf
Why, for example, is that argument weaker than Lincoln's argument in the Emancipation Proclamation, which was one of the world's monumental takings of private property in the name of the war power?
The Emancipation Proclamation only had force in the states which had seceded. The slave states which stayed in the Union -- KY, MD, WV -- kept their slaves until the 13th Amendment.

Oh, and Sherman's march to the sea was a pretty major taking of private property, too.

Rick Ballard

They only took what they couldn't burn, cathyf.

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