The "Re-Elect The Guy Who Got Bin Laden" Film

Is the Sony campaign contribution to Obama 2012 (due out in October 2012) going to help Obama?  I say no.

First of all, we can ask President Kerry about the impact of Fahrenheit 911, which was supposed to crush Bush like a bug.

Secondly, I don't know what Afghanistan will look like a year from now but I doubt Obama will benefit from a renewed focus on our goals and the likelihood of achieving them.  If the public walks out of theatres thinking "Geez, we killed Osama two years ago, what are we still doing there?" then Sony's attempted contribution will backfire.  And if people are muttering "Great - two years later Osama's still dead and I'm still unemployed", well, yikes.

Finally, people aren't dumb - seeing a major Hollywood studio foist an extended Obama 2012 advertisement onto the public a month before the election may make Obama look pathetic and desperate (and Obama doesn't need Sony's help there).

 

Comments

[MayBee]

It seems to me 30 men dead in one helicopter crash while Obama bops off to the Vineyard shows who the gutsy ones are. So gutsy call seems off the table.

It will be gutsy for Obama to talk about big corporations and fat cats contributing to the other guys, though.

[huxley]

Also, against the wishes of most of the families of our dead warriors in the helicopter last week, the White House distributed a photo of Obama saluting at the return of their remains to Dover AFB.

Jay Carney explained that the photo was released in the interests of "transparency."

Obama and his team are simply contemptible. See LUN.

[Jack is Back! (literally)]

TM is "correcto mundo". It is absurd to even get worked up over this. If the Dems try to use that as a prop then the Repubs can remind all that Barry was POTUS when we had the largest single loss of life to date over there. Both are just as absurd but then our politics have been trending that way for years.

[Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet]

I predict a box office failure. It may play well in Hollywood and maybe NYC, but will bomb elsewhere.

Like Michael Moore's garbage, it won't draw flies.

[MayBee]

I wonder if they will be allowed to show us pictures of fake dead Bin Laden.
That was contemptible and irresponsible behavior just a few months ago.

[Extraneus]

How can the left be so happy about killing a pathetic has-been watching TV in a beanie, anyway? They're against capital punishment.

[Threadkiller]

Deleted scenes from Guhhtsy Call.

[Captain Hate]

the impact of Fahrenheit 911, which was supposed to crush Bush like a bug.

More like Mike al-Moor crushing the inventory controls of all you can eat restaurants. The people that went to his crockumentaries never tire of the umpteenth variation on Bush is stoopid; or Garrison Keillor's alleged comedy.

[narciso]

It's a shame that they farmed this out to Bigelow and Boal, who really don't have the grasp for such material, it's an Untitled film btw, now on IMDB. The Hurt Locker, was supposed to illustrate the futility of the enterprise in Iraq, as for Boal, only De Palma's 'Redacted' funded by Cuban, had a more
toxic view of the military, than 'Elah'. I assume they will hire at least mid rank stars,
as they did with Guy Pierce,

[MayBee]

Fahrenheit 911 may not have taken Bush down at home, but it played internationally and I am certain it hurt his and our reputation abroad.

Most countries simply do not release movies like that about their own sitting leaders. Too many didn't understand it was just a left wing agitator's agitation.

[Danube of Thought]

At some point a few years after the release of Oliver Stone's "JFK," a survey showed that half the people in Western Europe believed Kennedy had been killed by a conspiracy of military/CIA/LBJ guys (or whatever Stone's story was).

[BB Key]

This is going to hurt the JEF more than any movie might help....Raleigh News & Observer: Wake County residents Shelia Romonia Hodges, Kierra Fontae Leech, and Brandon Earl McLean are in the wake Co. jail under $100,000 bond for voter fraud...participating in early voting or using an absentee ballot and voting again on election day...5 more cases pending....
if anyone can help with a link pics are available

[Chubby]

The Christian Science Monitor's David Sterritt gave F 9/11 a five star review. I believe I wrote the nastiest letter I have ever written in my life to Sterritt over that review, telling him it was way past time for him to retire. Well, he has retired, but I've stopped reading the CSM's movie reviews anyway. It's very sad that the Monitor has alienated 50% of its readership. It is mostly a predictably Democratic partisan rag now, but it was never intended to be that way.

[centralcal]

I hope this is the correct link, BB Key

3 Wake Residents Arrested

[BB Key]

Thanks cc

[narciso]

And we discovered just a few years later, Danube, through the Mitrokhin Archive, this was born from a KGB disinformation effort,
that Garrison assimilated to rationalize his witchhunt against Clay Shaw.

[centralcal]

I see, too, that they were Obama voters. Probably were really hoping for a whole lot of change. You know, all that free stuff - paid for mortgages, new cars, etc. etc. - when Buh-rock became President.

[Porchlight]

It seems to me 30 men dead in one helicopter crash while Obama bops off to the Vineyard shows who the gutsy ones are. So gutsy call seems off the table.

MayBee,

You bet. With the relentless "gutsy call" garbage, the Obama admin publicized the Osama kill to a disgraceful level, and the October release of the film will amplify that. How far can one man go to pat himself on the back?

Reports are that this filmmaker has "unprecedented" access to the CIA and other agencies in getting information about the mission. Why is that, I wonder?

If Bush were President there would be hearings being scheduled this minute as to whether the WH leaks about the identity of SEAL Team 6 led directly to their being targeted for attack.

All pretty sickening.

[narciso]

One compares this, to the 'Kill Pablo' effort chronicled by Mark Bowden, about which we knew little at the time, except we had gotten
a particularly nasty slug, out of the pond,

[narciso]

So what's the real story,

the top NATO commander in Afghanistan said Wednesday that the doomed Navy SEALs mission that claimed 30 American lives was intended to stop fleeing Taliban fighters and not necessarily a rescue mission as first reported.

After the crash Saturday, news reports quoted NATO officials as saying commanders dispatched the CH-47 Chinook helicopter with 22 SEALs onboard to rescue an Army Ranger team pinned down by the Taliban

[Sue]

I hate, hate, hate, hate, hate (did I say hate?) this president. I hate him.

[Danube of Thought]

Remember the outrage when the 2004 Bush campaign used a still photo of him aboard Air Force One following 9/11?

I agree that this flick will not change a single vote. Anyone dumb enough to be swayed by it is already an Obama voter anyway.

On the way up to St. Andrews today we passed though the town of Kirkcaldy, which the tour guide pointed out was the birthplace of (a) Adam Smith, and (b) Gordon Brown. (He identified Smith as a psychologist who wrote a book called The Wealth of the World.)

[Captain Hate]

narc, they're really constructing a tangled weave, no?

[Veeshir]

I'm thinking it'll be unintentionally hilarious.
Maybe like Hercules in NY or Rocky Horror Picture Show with people yelling stuff at the screen.

I mean, how do you try to convince people that giving the order to kill the most wanted person in the world is "gutsy"? That's like saying that ordering bacon for your cheeseburger is "gutsy".
And when they try to say killing him is "gutsy" while capturing him is counter-productive, well, that'll be very funny.

I figure whenever Hillary is onscreen everybody yells, "Marxissssssssssst!" or "Pantsssssssssuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuit" and we can throw fish whenever the SEALs are onscreen and TP whenever someone says something that's full of crap.

[Cecil Turner]

It seems to me 30 men dead in one helicopter crash while Obama bops off to the Vineyard shows who the gutsy ones are.

I notice they're using that one as well. The reliably irascible Uncle Jimbo doesn't sugar coat his reaction:

It is sad to watch such a complete tool use the military, and worse our war dead, to attempt to create an image of a serious Commander in Chief. I don't doubt that on some level Obama cares about the dead troops, but just a whole lot less than he cares about himself. His spokestool used this collection of sorry lies to fail miserably in justifying the pitiful self-promotion.

That's about the way I see it as well.

[matt]

Dear Leader was out there reaching out to our Muslim citizenry today telling them that they have been integral to our nation since its inception or some other claptrap.

I quickly googled the first mosque built in this country and found that it was built in 1915, and that a few thousand Muslims had immigrated from the Ottoman Empire from the 1880's onwards.

Somehow, I don't think the United States had a very inclusive policy towards Musselmen way back in the day.

Once again pandering to the Muslims while turning his back on the majority. What a douche.

[Sue]

The names and addresses of our SEALs has been released by the DoD. I notice from their ages they aren't greenhorns. We lost much more than we know. We lost years and years of the knowledge those men had collected with experience.

God bless them and their families and pray to God their families aren't harmed from the release of their names.

[narciso]

Here's a story of them operating in that era, two years ago.

http://www.army.mil/article/17994/clearing-the-tangi-task-force-in-afghanistan-takes-troubled-valley/

[Chubby]

will there be a postcript or addendum added to the movie about the attack on the SEALS -- which the perpetrators claimed was revenge for getting bin Laden?

Bush's strategy of giving "get bin Laden" a much lower priority in retrospect seems very wise

[matt]

Just to show whose side the WaPo and Der Spiegel are on, this gem from the Telegraph on the top secret peace talks between the U.S. and the Taliban.

"But after only three sessions details of two meetings in Germany and one in Qatar – held in March and April - were leaked to the Washington Post and Der Spiegel news magazine which named Tayeb Agha as the key Taliban negotiator."

Narciso, 75% of what we read about the state of affairs in Afghanistan these days is bullshit; either happy talk by the military leadership or clueless reporting by the media.

We can hammer them all we want and build schools and distribute pencils, and still the Taliban will go in and whisper in the people's ears and most of the time that is all that it takes. Or chop off a 9 year old's head. The same message is passed along.

The solution is a great big wall or minefield between the cities and the rural areas. The progress in the cities is significant, but almost none out in the boondocks.

It will always be a corrupt sewer, but at least in the cities they realize that opposition to the West is a no win game.That's about the best we can hope for.

[Jeff]

if they tell the story of Obama waitings weeks to greelight the mission he'll be toast in Nov. Of course that won't be told ...

I think this has the possibility of being a Dukakis on the tank moment on steroids ...

[rse]

dot-

The beginning of the movie "Chariots of Fire" with them running along the beach was filmed at St Andrews and then the Ancient &Royal Golf Club stands in for a hotel. One of the prettiest sunsets I ever saw was from that huge window in the Club where they allowed some underdressed Yank students to come in and sit down anyway.

If you make it to the pub called the 19th Hole by 18, please have a Guinness for me. It is where we celebrated July 4, 1980.

[peter]

DOT, isn't it just amazing the sheer number of great intellectuals from Scotland?

[cathyf]

He identified [Adam] Smith as a psychologist who wrote a book called The Wealth of the World.

No. Surely you're joking, right DoT? Riiiight?!?!

(aaarrrrrrggggghhhhh)

[Porchlight]

Did the President appear on television again today? What did he say?

[henry]

Maybee covered it on the "Barakalypse Europe" thread.

[cathyf]

Dear Leader was out there reaching out to our Muslim citizenry today telling them that they have been integral to our nation since its inception or some other claptrap.

Well, yeah, true -- we've been fighting against Muslim pirates and slavers since the very beginning of the republic. You know, the Marine Hymn -- "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli..."

[Sue]

Cathy,

I doubt he knows the song.

[Porchlight]

Thanks henry (and MayBee)...

[Porchlight]

You know, the Marine Hymn -- "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli..."

And even that is 19th century.

If only we had a media to challenge him on this carp.

[jean]

Who will the movie appeal to? The guys that love War movies hate Obama and won't go see a movie that makes him look good.The people that love Obama won't see a War movie.

[Barry Dauphin]

I believe the movie will not win a lot of votes. I'm more concerned wwhether the Administration is sharing details of the mission with the filmmakers that they are not sharing with the American public.

[Porchlight]

cathyf brings up an interesting point - Muslims were in fact integral to our nation from the beginning. They just weren't Americans. They were selling us slaves in Africa.

[Ignatz]

Since we're talking St. Andrews, allow me to note that toothless Tiger Woods shot a 77 at the PGA today, 14 shots off the lead.
Will he win another major?
Does anyone want him to?

[MayBee]

Barry- That seems a legitimate concern. I share it.

[Captain Hate]

Will he win another major?

Absolutely not; Jack is feeling very secure

Does anyone want him to?

Surely yes but not me

[MayBee]

Saying stuff like that is always patronizing anyway. You don't hear Obama talking about how men or Christians have added so much to our society from the founding days.

It's like the Chinese taxi driver said to me once. "If my English was really that good, you wouldn't make such an effort to compliment me on it".

[Pofarmer]

Egads. Saw a little bit of Barack Hussein on FOX. Is anybody buying the carp he's selling. More, govt must invest. We ALREADY cut a trilliin dollars(as if). Nausea inducing.

[cathyf]

Barry, I'm even more concerned that they are sharing details that shouldn't be shared with anybody.

[Neo]

Kathryn Bigelow, the director, is acclaimed for the movie, "Hurt Locker," which took in $49,230,772 worldwide, which is roughly half of what "Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle" took in.

[maryrose]

Photo-op for Obama in Dover, Delaware just sickens me.
Ditto Sue's comment about hating him and the horse {Hope and Change} he rode in on.

[BR]

I'm with you, Porch, Barry, MayBee and Cathyf. The circumstances surrounding this film are now a national security matter.

King: Probe allegations Obama aided filmmaker with classified intel.

Double trouble for Obama if it's quid pro quo - US intel for campaign contribution.

[BR]

The data trail should be followed to see if someone from the film team leaked briefing data that led to the Chinook incident.

[BB Key]

Update WRAL-TV reporting the double voting scheme occurred in 2008 election....ACORN or OfA?

[Porchlight]

The data trail should be followed to see if someone from the film team leaked briefing data that led to the Chinook incident.

BR, that would be profoundly horrible. I sure hope that isn't the case.

I say full speed ahead on King's probe no matter what. If nothing else this sets a terrible precedent.

[BR]

I think there are those astute enough to feed him disinfo and follow it like an ostrich egg down a black mamba.

[Thomas Collins]

It looks as if Obama wants no info on his college transcripts made available, but is happy to provide info to outsiders on our military when it suits his purposes.

[Porchlight]

Wow...now there's an interesting thought.

[Extraneus]

King: Probe allegations Obama aided filmmaker with classified intel.

People have short memories. King should call his own hearings, rather than wait for someone in the Obama chain of command, and he'd better do it soon if he wants people to remember about the SEAL deaths.

[MarkO]

I agree with a comment from someone on the Golf Channel. Tiger could have been Arthur Ashe or Jackie Robinson, instead, he's Ty Cobb: a great player who is also a world-class jerk.

May he always come close but never win again.

[Extraneus]

I'd like to see a very public effort to get Biden to testify. Of course, they'd refuse, but it would raise awareness of who was first to talk abut SEAL Team 6.

Did Biden Out SEAL Team 6?

[JM Hanes]

I just hope it turns out to be a movie about the heroic SEALs, not a tick tock of Obma's putatively heroic decision to OK the mission -- and his anguished face for 20 minutes of radio silence, of course.

The press has covered the unprecedented, iconic, photo of Obama striking a pose at Dover, but I didn't see anything about whether or not he spent time with the families the way President Bush always did. I sure hope he did.

[Captain Hate]

Of course Biden outted SEAL Team 6; he's an idiot with no control over that trap door he has for a jaw. He's possibly worse than El JEFe in having this pathetic need to appear much smarter than he really is and nothing good ever comes of it. Much as I hate the Jugeared Fellow with the heat of a quadrillion supernovas, he's never done anything as low as impugn the character of the truck driver who unfortunately was involved, although not at fault, with the auto accident that killed the first Mrs B by falsely stating he'd been drinking.

[Clarice]

I suppose most of Obama's fans are not interested in seeing a film about heroic American troops and most of his detractors know the film is crap and will see it right after they attend the Michael Moore film festival.

[Jim Ryan]

Pofarmer: We ALREADY cut a trilliin

Did you hear him say a month or so ago that "we already built the border fence down south and what the heck do Republicans want now, a moat?!" That whopper was, um, just wow.

[JM Hanes]

Pofarmer! I was thinking about you just this morning and wondering how you were and where you'd disappeared to for so long. So nice to see you.

[Chubby]

If this has already been discussed, sorry for repetition but imo Palin's new ad about small town America is no less than sublime. (I watched it at RCP video)

[Jim Miller]

DoT - When I was younger, I might have asked your guide: "How do you account for that decline, going from Adam Smith to Gordon Brown?"

But (usually) I'm better behaved these days.

[rse]

Mark O-

Ty Cobb's father and my great grandfather were best friends. Cobb Sr was a salesman and his wife had a bad rep. He came home early from a trip and was shot by his wife who claimed she thought he was a prowler.

Jr grew up in a small town where everyone believed the death was no accident and that she was entertaining. I have always suspected his famous temper stemmed in part from that frustration.

When he came back to visit his wife would go riding on my grandmother's horse and on one of the visits my mom got his autograph. He had famous business acumen which is probably why he not only signed his name but dated it as well.

And my great grandfather? Had a heart attack when told of his dear friend's death.

[Mark Folkestad]

Terrific story, rse! Thanks for sharing.

[Jack is Back! (literally)]

rse,

How did you get into the Royal & Ancient building? Even one Jack Nicklaus couldn't get in after he won the Open there.

[Ben Franklin]

"If the Dems try to use that as a prop then the Repubs can remind all that Barry was POTUS when we had the largest single loss of life to date over there. "

Well, in spite of your preamble, I think this does worry you....

Plus, you have the temerity to disallow Obama credit for getting Bin Laden, while laying sole blame on his shoulders for the loss of life in one instance, while you fiddled like Nero as over 40,000 died in the war of Bush's choice, Iraq. Good job, soldier !!!

[Ignatz]

Michael Barone says Bachmann is for real.
Wouldn't it be funny if the overreaching leftism of Barry and all those lefty cheerleaders in 2008 so gummed things up they put a Bachmann or a Palin in the WH in 2012?

[Ben Franklin]

"I agree that this flick will not change a single vote. Anyone dumb enough to be swayed by it is already an Obama voter anyway."

From your pie-hole to Bachmanns virgin ears. I exalt those things you deem stupid. For all your boring, pedestrian declarations to have a thread of originality you would have to accept the moniker;
"brown prose".

[Chubby]

((Plus, you have the temerity to disallow Obama credit for getting Bin Laden,..))

and if Bush had "gotten" him and disposed of the body in the same manner, ya'll would have howled about it in excess of 194dB, with Obama leading the choir

[Jack is Back! (literally)]

DoT,

Enjoy the "Olde Grey Toon". It is a marvelous university town that happens to have a municipal golf course cum park cum self serve laundry. As a addicted golfer I have made the pilgrimage there many times. The surprising thing is all the Americans who have sTRted up businesses there. A few are pubs.

[Ben Franklin]

"He's possibly worse than El JEFe in having this pathetic need to appear much smarter than he really is and nothing good ever comes of it."

Uh, he's been a Senator and VP. What have you accomplished to make your mark? Commentating on JOM seems an accomplishment, but is it?

[Ignatz]

The Ben Ami appears to be wearing thin today.

[Ignatz]

--Commentating on JOM seems an accomplishment, but is it?--

It's worth more than a pitcher of warm piss.

[Ranger]

The Ben Ami appears to be wearing thin today.

Posted by: Ignatz | August 11, 2011 at 07:47 PM

I have a feeling Ben-Dana has been looking at his retirement account and noticing the "splendtacular" effect of Obama's leadership on its ballance over the last week or so.

[Ben Franklin]

"At some point a few years after the release of Oliver Stone's "JFK," a survey showed that half the people in Western Europe believed Kennedy had been killed by a conspiracy of military/CIA/LBJ guys (or whatever Stone's story was)."

Or, whatever Stone's story was......? No wonder you don't want to discuss anything outside your little box of Cheerios. I think your abbreviated writing is masking a shipping container of willfull ignorance. You CHOOSE not to inform yourself.

Just a thought on JFK. It was brilliant disinfomation, packaged to look like speaking truth to power. What a maroon.....!!!

Arnon Milchan

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/18/business/global/new-book-tells-tale-of-israeli-arms-dealer-in-hollywood.html?_r=2&partner=rss&emc=rss

[Ben Franklin]

Don't worry, HONEST JOMer's (you know who you are)

I am merely responding in kind to the personal attacks some have fallen to. It may get nastier, but that won't be up to me.............

[Sara (Pal2Pal)]

DOT, isn't it just amazing the sheer number of great intellectuals from Scotland?

Oh wow! This gave me a flashback that I hadn't thought of since the day it happened.

My Dad was explaining my mongrel pedigree to me one day. He said I got my strength of character from the Welsh, my love of the finer things from the French, my temper from the Irish, and my intelligence from the Scots. And that it was the American that made it all work.

[JM Hanes]

"Plus, you have the temerity to disallow Obama credit for getting Bin Laden, while laying sole blame on his shoulders for the loss of life in one instance....."

Perhaps you're unaware that 2/3rds of the American casualties in Afghanistan have occurred under Obama's watch.

[MarkO]

rse, WOW.

Cobb was a great, great player.

[Jack is Back! (literally)]

Outing the Slimes is certainly to change the outlook of most of us here. Have you noticed that this particular site is devoted to fisking and ridiculing that "toliet paper of record".

[centralcal]

rse: great, great story! Thanks for sharing it!

Hey - if we don't get a new thread, where is everyone gonna comment on the upcoming debate?

Clarice, where are you?

[Ben Franklin]

"Perhaps you're unaware that 2/3rds of the American casualties in Afghanistan have occurred under Obama's watch."

How do the figures compare?

How does the Mission compare?

How do the horrifically injured compare? How long did it take for HumVees to be uparmored to reduce the casualties of IED's in Iraq?

I can go on,,,,,shall I ?

[bgates]

I don't doubt that on some level Obama cares about the dead troops

I don't doubt that if a military aide burst in and told him, "Mr President, you can save the lives of 100 American soldiers but you'll have to miss the last three minutes of that pre-season basketball game you're watching", Barry would reply, "Why don't we have Tivo on this tv?"

[Ben Franklin]

*crickets...................................

If you can't handle the heat of purple prose, get out of the kitchen of objectivity.

Wise scribes, these...................(well, maybe not wise, but discreet and obtuse)

[Captain Hate]

What have you accomplished to make your mark?

Somebody whose personal life has been revealed as a dysfunctional trainwreck really shouldn't have any standing to challenge people whose adult children not only can stand the sight of him, but love and respect him as well; but you, like Biden, never tire of making an ass out of yourself in front of groups of people.

[Ben Franklin]

""Somebody whose personal life has been revealed as a dysfunctional trainwreck really shouldn't have any standing to challenge people whose adult children not only can stand the sight of him, but love and respect him as well; but you, like Biden, never tire of making an ass out of yourself in front of groups of people."

Your biggest 'stupid' is the delusion that you know something of me and mine. I would think making an ass of yourself in front of your best friends at JOM would inspire you to create a more self-satisfying delusion than the one you posted. If that's your best, you are a soulmate of doT, the 'brown prose' master.

[matt]

I'm not going to call Obama on his visit to Dover. It was right and proper, and the photo did not show the caskets nor the families.

I would also like to mention that the surge was General McKiernan's, then McChrystal's, the Petraeus' plan.

Afghanistan has been underfunded since the outset.We screwed it up almost as soon as we got there. They have gone from apathy to blowing sh*t up to COIN and back again. Every time a brigade moves in or out, the rules change.

We are in the middle of a surge, and in surges more people get killed because as the word implies we are surging.

I will ding the president when it's worth it, and his delay of a decision on a surge was reckless and irresponsible. But Afghanistan has been a mess from the get go for 100 different reasons. He is simply one more part of a problem that probably has no solution.

[rse]

JIB-

The maitre d seemed amused that we wanted in and they were not too busy. We were in jeans and just asked if we could see the room. It's a truly stunning vista and they said yes and we could have a drink if we wanted. I think I was doing the talking and I do love my history.

They recommended shandies-those lemonade and lager drinks. I knew it was a big deal they let us in wearing jeans. It really is a wonderful memory. The windows in that room are exceptionally tall.

[JM Hanes]

"* crickets ....."

What, you're not watching the Republican debate?

"I can go on,,,,,shall I ?"

A little clarity on the current missions in Iraq and Afghanistan would certainly be a welcome change! If you haven't noticed that the Obama Administration is applying enormous pressure on the Maliki government to "ask" the U.S. to keep troops in country beyond the Dec. deadline (or that June was the deadliest month for Americans there in three years), perhaps that's because:

"Obama’s short-term concern is he doesn’t want Iraq to somehow re-enter the news before an election," said Noah Feldman, an Iraq expert at Harvard Law School."

I wouldn't want you to have to shoot the messenger again, so here's a HuffPo link.

[Ben Franklin]

"He is simply one more part of a problem that probably has no solution."

Thank the Gods for one honest man...................

[Ben Franklin]

'"Obama’s short-term concern is he doesn’t want Iraq to somehow re-enter the news before an election," said Noah Feldman, an Iraq expert at Harvard Law School."

You were expecting a defense of Obama on this issue?

You really don't understand nearly as much as you think, young lady.

[Ignatz]

--Plus, you have the temerity to disallow Obama credit for getting Bin Laden, while laying sole blame on his shoulders for the loss of life in one instance, while you fiddled like Nero as over 40,000 died in the war of Bush's choice, Iraq. Good job, soldier !!!--

Why in JiB's quote you were responding to did you leave the below off of it?

Both are just as absurd but then our politics have been trending that way for years.

Because it made a hash of the point you wanted to score, HONEST JOMer?

[JM Hanes]

"You were expecting a defense of Obama on this issue?"

No dear, I don't expect you to defend the indefensible, bless your little heart.

You asked how the missions compare, and I said I'd really like to know what the current missions are.

[Ben Franklin]

"Because it made a hash of the point you wanted to score, HONEST JOMer?"

Did I score? Xactly!!!!!!!!