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September 24, 2011

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Uncle BigBad

I am quite certain neither side can provide proof of of their view.

Please, TM. You haven't been paying attention if you think "a tidal wave of regulation" can't be proved.

Thomas Collins

For a brazen lie (or stunning ability to ignore reality) take the progs' refusal (with the exception of Daniel Patrick Moynihan) to acknowledge that Aid For Families of Dependent Children caused the break-up of families. For another, take MSM's reporting on the Tet Offensive. For another, take Walter Duranty on the Soviet Union . . . .

Help me out here. I am having trouble finding conservative lies (or stunning ability to ignore reality) that are on the scale of prog distortions. And I haven't even gotten around to the many lies in support of a Big Lie (such as we need to give our lives over to lifestyle practices dictated by a "green" bureaucracy to avoid being cooked by global warming.

Thomas Collins

Prog therapists and social service workers were the ones who pushed the persecution of the Amirault family in Massachusetts. Progs facilitate kangaroo court hearings at colleges on sexual assault hearings.

C'mon, help me out. Could I have just one rightie shading of the truth that even comes close to any of the ones I have mentioned above?

Thomas Collins

Then there are the gaffes that MSM will seize upon when made by a conservative but ignore if made by a prog. For example, see LUN (via Instapundit).

DebinNC

"We're trying to grow our business, but it's difficult right now," he said, adding new regulations from financial reform have complicated business lending.

...said John Steele, CEO of Hilltop Basic Resources, a successful ready-mix concrete company whose proximity to the "delapidated" Cincinnati bridge was chosen by Obama as the backdrop for this week's "intercontinental" photo-op. Mr. Steele said he'd like to increase his 180 employees roll to 240 or more, but can't with the new regs.

peter

My favorite lie is that Clinton saved the constitution by fighting his impeachment.

Jack is Back!

Does Mr. Drum know that this country is so great that we have an intercontinental railroad that connects all 57 states? We need this railroad so that when ObamaCare kicks in we have a means of transpoting all the corpse-men to their early graves.

Jane

Obamacare, like everything else under this president, will depend on who you know, and who you can bribe.

hit and run

From Deb:
"We're trying to grow our business, but it's difficult right now," he said, adding new regulations from financial reform have complicated business lending.

...said John Steele, CEO of Hilltop Basic Resources, a successful ready-mix concrete company

Quit yer whining fatcat CEO. You may have a nice plant there,but without the government who would pave the roads around it . . . Wait. What?

hit and run

TC:
Then there are the gaffes that MSM will seize upon when made by a conservative but ignore if made by a prog. For example, see LUN (via Instapundit).

One point in that gaffe is that Obama repeats it all the time. Has no one pointed out to him that he's ignorant of such a basic fact?

sbw

Evidence that Kevin Drum is myopic: Mother Jones.

sbw

Does Kevin run a lemonade stand? I doubt it.

NeoKong

What don't you get....?
Mr. Cain is referring to how nationalized health care typically has very long wait times and the standard of care can often be poor if we use Britain's NIH or the Canadian model as an example.

The guy had stage 4 cancer fer crissakes.
Hearing "How's Jan. the 14th at 2PM ?" is no good.

sbw

Kevin, wrap your brain around Barack brazeness:

a) "When you include the $1 trillion in cuts I’ve already signed into law, these would be among the biggest cuts in spending in our history."

b) "If you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan."

sbw

Kevin clearly doesn't appreciate what the meaning of "is" is.

Fool.

Danube of Thought

"The true engine of economic growth will always be companies like Solyndra."

Danube of Thought

If we were told, over and over again, that people making $250,000 a year were millionaires...

Danube of Thought

"The 9th has always been a difficult district for Democrats."

Danube of Thought

"It's about jobs. In it's life, it [the health bill] will create 4 million jobs -- 400,000 jobs almost immediately."

Barry

"you lie"

hit and run

TM:
Hmm. If we had been told over and over that defeat was inevitable in Iraq... never mind.


"I am very optimistic about -- about Iraq. I mean, this could be one of the great achievements of this administration."
--stuff Vice President Biden said

Danube of Thought

Politico:

"The campaign for Democratic Senate hopeful Elizabeth Warren said Friday she had been paid $192,722 for serving as chairman of a congressional committee that monitored the 2008 federal bank bailout, three times as much as had originally been acknowledged. The Warren campaign revised the figure following a POLITICO report on Thursday highlighting the fact that the Congressional Oversight Panel, which oversaw the TARP program, has not publicly disclosed exactly how it spent $10.5 million on salaries, travel, consultants and other expenses."

hit and run

Involvement in Libya will last days, not weeks.

Extraneus

"Texas has always been a pretty Republican state, for, you know, historic reasons."

Extraneus

"I cannot guarantee that those checks go out on August 3rd if we haven’t resolved this issue. Because there may simply not be the money in the coffers to do it."

Chubby

((But generally speaking, our opinion leaders don't go on national TV, look straight into the camera, and just outright lie about stuff.))

lie

(Theirs do.))

another lie

Extraneus

“There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Junior was born. So don’t tell me I don’t have a claim on Selma, Alabama.”

hit and run

Nov 2007:
"If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."

Jun 2008:
"We’ve made the decision not to participate in the public financing system for the general election,"

...

Obama said he would pursue public financing "aggressively." He committed to it in a written questionnaire. He even said, repeatedly, that he would meet with Sen. John McCain to discuss a deal.

Instead, his campaign never even asked the Republican's aides for a meeting on the subject. And Obama himself, both campaigns said, never asked for a face-to-face meeting with McCain.

Jane

So did anyone get hit by the satellite?

hit and run

“[Health care legislation] negotiations will be on C-SPAN, and so the public will be part of the conversation and will see the decisions that are being made.”

hit and run

“No family making less than $250,000 will see any form of tax increase.”

Thomas Collins

Then there are book length prog lies, such as Michael Bellesiles on gun ownership and use in America.

hit and run

“The detention facilities at Guantánamo for individuals covered by this order shall be closed no later than one year from the date of this order.”
--January 22, 2009.

Thomas Collins

Caught it with my old first baseman's mitt, Jane.

Well, since this is the liar's thread, . . . .

hit and run

"What I've done throughout this campaign is to propose a net spending cut.... What I want to emphasize ... is that I have been a strong proponent of pay-as-you-go. Every dollar that I've proposed, I've proposed an additional cut so that it matches."

hit and run

“Yesterday, Jim, the head of Caterpillar, said that if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off.”

hit and run

"I will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.”

hit and run

“We are going to get all the money back that we invested in those car companies.”

Chubby

Rahm and Axelrod: (paraphrase) we didn't know a thing about Solyndra, not a single thing.

Chubby

Rahm and Axelrod: (paraphrase) we didn't know a thing about Solyndra, not a single thing.

hit and run

“I intend to remove all U.S. troops from Iraq by the end of 2011. We will complete this transition to Iraqi responsibility, and we will bring our troops home with the honor that they have earned.”

Melinda Romanoff

hit-

Neo said the Admin should solve that problem by calling it an exclusive resort and renaming it Chez Guevara.

PL-

Kevin was on the high school tech crew, as a projectionist, obviously.

hit and run

OK, I'll stop now.

Pops

Did Kevin Drum fly to the Soviet Union or Cuba for an operation? Certainly if collective care is better - liberals should be fleeing American healthcare.

The BOTTOM line is even the most die hard liberals will not argue collectivism provides better individual care. Their point is collectively everyone gets SOME care and they want to reduce cost by forced government pricing.

Jane

"The campaign for Democratic Senate hopeful Elizabeth Warren said Friday she had been paid $192,722 for serving as chairman of a congressional committee

She admitted this was a part time job.

Chubby

Melinda, ty for the funnies :)

Danube of Thought

Then there are book length prog lies

Try Joe McGinniss's latest offering.

Barry

One of my golf buddies just hung up his stethoscope and tells me that there is going to be a shortage of doctors because young people do not see medicine as a path to affluence and economic stability. Interesting.

Evidently, medical school enrollment is down [some are calling cost the reason] and he says it is directly attributable to ObamaCare. My Mayo doc agrees.

Melinda Romanoff

PL-

Needed, without a doubt.

OldTimer

And we surely don't want the brazenness when it's on our side..

According to National Review, Rick Santorum played fast and loose with the facts in his illegal immigration and border accusations against Rick Perry in the last debate. No wonder the Governor appeared 'testy' in some of his one-minute responses.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/278207/santorums-ill-advised-border-war-kevin-d-williamson#

Danube of Thought

Minus 21 at Raz today.

narciso

"Ah Kevin, Kevin,' I say affecting the world weary tone of Al Pacino's scene chewing Beelzebub in 'Devil's Advocate' did you not read, that Lord Protector Sebelius, cobbled
together thousands of pages of regulations from 50 pages of the Health Care bill

hit and run


From minus 16 yesterday to minus 21 today marks the 14th time Obama has dropped 5 points or more in a single day.

Strong Disapproval went from 18 to 22,marking only the second time Obama has gained 4 points in a single day (the other being 3/7/2009).

Happy 105th Consecutive Day of 50% Disapproval or Greater

sbw

Obama: "the Bush tax cuts to the wealthy" that even the NYTimes admits benefitted the middle class more.

pagar

Palin told us the reason Cain wouldn't survive Obamacare long ago, when she labeled the government decision making "death panels". Think leftists aren't going to use them as death panels? Look at the Dept of Justice where 11 reports show not a single right thinking person has been hired since Holder was confirmed with support from Republican Senators.

Here's Holder commenting:
"Eric Holder, sworn in Tuesday as attorney general, promised a clean break with the past policies of the Bush administration, saying the Justice Department will be "no place for political favoritism."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/02/AR2009020202581.html

What will be the leftist response to the shortage of doctors under Obamacare. IMO, they will find a way to bring in more doctors from other countries. I'm sure Cuba would have some available.

hit and run

Ooops.

That should be ***38 to 42*** on the Strong Disapproval numbers.

Gmax

Look no one does brazen bald faced lying like Democrats especially ones running for office. Ever since Walter Mondale decided to tell the truth and got shellacked, Democrats decided the lesson was not to change unpopular positions but rather to flat out lie about what they believed to gain elected office and then just do what they want once in office.

Obamacare tore the mask off the blue frauds and exposed a party that is far to the left of the US public, and very far to the left of the voting public ( the voting dead be excepted ).

Chubby

OldTimer your link reminded me of one of the frequent lies the left uses at every opportunity: calling "illegal immigrants" "immigrants".

Their motive is to purposefully implant a false idea in the national psyche, much to the chagrin of legal immigrants.

Gmax

And perhaps the biggest lie of Obamacare was the "we are going to bend the cost curve downward" and claiming ( by piling up revenues for several years in advance of expenses ) that Obamacare was going to reduce the deficit!

Laughable.

Chubby

sbw, by the opposite token the current push to increase in taxes on the "rich" will hit anyone in the middle class who earns capital gains or dividends outside a tax deferral plan.

pagar

Hey, here is a leftist health expert now, lets see what lies he offers.

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/09/24/michael-moore-patriotic-americans-will-wait-longer-for-healthcare/

Does anyone think Michael Moore knows any patriotic Americans?

Clarice

We just finished a kitchen redo last night and I was sure the satellite would hit us and smash the whole thing up, but *whew* nada here, Jane.

narciso

I was struck how Drum, didn't even try to rebut the statement, he just went 'Argument
Clinic'

Barry

I wondered why Clarice posted a link to a stainless steel cabinet company:)

Danube of Thought

Does anyone think Michael Moore will wait longer for his healthcare?

Gmax

“You see what happens when our country chooses leaders who emphasize words over deeds. We get a president like we have today,” Perry said.

Here here!

narciso

The 'clean toga' crowd, are out with their two for one dagger washing specials,

Captain Hate

Ready to take over from Dhimmi Earl as the second worst President: http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/585922/201109231847/Bill-Clinton-Home-Wrecker.htm

Captain Hate

Duke & Duke's finishing school's best grad: http://www.frumforum.com/huntsmans-chance

Jim Ryan

"We already built the fence along the Mexican border. What do they want now, a moat?"

narciso

OLe Joe, comes through in a pinch,

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/24/opinion/the-phony-solyndra-scandal.html?_r=1

Chubby

further to Cap's interesting comments about David Mamet yesterday, Kevin Drum is exactly where Mamet was at before he converted to conservatism:

((“It shocked me that there I was, a know-it-all … and there was a whole branch of knowledge I didn’t know existed. I never investigated the claims or the precepts of the other side,” says Mamet, the acclaimed playwright behind “Speed the Plow” and “American Buffalo.” “I know I’m not alone in that regard.”))--David Mamet LUN

So it must be alright.

"Sure we cherry-pick evidence, we spin world events, and we impose our world view when we talk about policy. Everyone does that."
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MayBee

What about Hillary being shot at in Serbia?

How about Bill Ayers being just a guy in Obama's neighborhood?

What about Obama's mom being turned down by her insurance company?

Jim Ryan

Cap'n, indeed. And Clinton's term was curiously simultaneous with the villain Jim Johnson's tenure as Fannie CEO. Both pushed for the making of bad loans. They ended up wealthy. The economy ended up trashed.

Who needs death panels?  The friction in the bureaucracy will suffice.

Poor progs. True or not, it taps into a true belief.
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Phony stats, and deliberately so, like the Hockey Stick.

Boston Fed, Boston Fed, Boston Fed.
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OldTimer

Oh, no. Don't tell me we have more brazen activity..

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/09/romney-praises-obamas-race-to-the-top-on-wednesday-denies-it-on-thursday-video/

Captain Hate

narc, I get infuriated when some of my fellow morons @ AoS pine for Slick; and I'm quick to point out that he drove the train that got us to where we are today, including your points.

Progressives are better named Regressives.

When you lie to make your dreams come true, you risk making it even more difficult for them to come true. The Kevin Drums of the world will eventually learn this.
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Barry

Memorial day salute to those who have made the ultimate sacrifice, some of whom are here today.

Warrior for the middle class.

Focused like a laser on jobs.

Not a time to be going to Las Vegas.

narciso

I recall, how Slick, used to punt on actually balancing the budget, until the '96 election,
then Johnson, 'found' those magic beans, and
the budget was 'balanced' overnight

Captain Hate

Chubby, Mamet is the prog's worst nightmare since they've held him up for years as the gold standard of artistic integrity and would blatantly display their hypocrisy if they were to recant now. And as was the case with Bob Dylan, they find out they can't pin an artist down and depend on him or her to dogmatically adhere to any belief system and not question it. That it took him as long as it did is kind of surprising imo; but it probably has more to do with the herd he found himself in as he practiced his art. His outspoken reaction is exactly how I'd react if I found out I'd been lied to or deliberately misled for a long period of time.

Jack is Back!

David Frum is the guy who "makes" Huntsman skin crawl.

Captain Hate

Yes narc, that 'balancing' act was more suited for a seal in a circul.

Captain Hate

circul == circus

Rick Ballard

Narciso,

I note that Nocera neglected the rationale for building solar totems. He also neglected the minor factor that the Solyndra scam was predicated upon higher prices caused by the Germans and Spanish shoveling too much money too quickly into their solar totem subsidy programs.

He did manage to note that power provided by coal fueled plants presents a very attractive alternative to sitting around in the dark waiting for your solar totem to activate (unless it's cloudy, of course). I guess he didn't have enough pixels to note that NG and nuclear also provide alternatives that make solar totems as quaint an idea as windmills.

The absence of the CO2 Monster in his fluff is rather interesting. Why write about solar totems without noting the evil against which they ward?

Chubby

one of the callers to Mark Steyn when he was subbing for Rush yesterday suggested the idea that government be forced into using the exact same accounting standards and methods that everyone else does. It was very interesting. He said that one thing alone would uncover all the government hidden fiscal malpractice. Did anyone else hear it?

Extraneus

"Now, I have to go back to work on my State of the Union speech. And I worked on it until pretty late last night. But I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people. Thank you."

Captain Hate

I filled up my car today because gas was $3.25. Don't those eeeeevil oil robber barons know they're supposed to drain us all of every last penny and make solar more affordable?

Tonto

Captain --

Mamet's political conversion sprang from his deepening commitment to Judaism and Israel. I believe his Los Angeles Rabbi had a lot to do with it ... and didn't his wife convert? Anyhow, that was the beginning of his volte face, as I remember it.

And it will be interesting to see if his upcoming plays get produced (funded) as readily as before. You can search the world over and not find a more parochial, blinkered yet smug sliver of humanity. Broadway makes Hollywood look middle of the road.

MarkO

What about the wild claim that Obama was smart?

MarkO

For your viewing enjoyment, Billy Boy, in the flesh:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSDAXGXGiEw

Captain Hate

Tonto,

I believe his Los Angeles Rabbi had a lot to do with it ... and didn't his wife convert?

Yes and yes.

Chubby

Tonto

((I believe his Los Angeles Rabbi had a lot to do with it ...))

His Los Angeles Rabbi gave him Thomas Sowell's "Conflict of Visions". That is what opened his eyes.

Jack is Back!

Heh!

From Dave Burge's twitter feed: "Nurse Hatchett goes to Washington"

Jack is Back!

::Hatchett:: = ::Ratchet::

/another brain fart.

Tonto

More Mamet --

After waiting forever to review his book, the Times (Sam Tannenhaus, I guess) finally gave it to Hitchens, who eviscerated it. At the time I wondered if Tannenhaus had heard through the grape vine that Hitchens hated it, then gave it to him to review. It was an ugly -- but masterful -- stroke on their part.

Anyway, that was an early shot across the bow that things will be different for Mamet going into the future.

PaulL

Further on Bob Dylan:

Ibama: . . . he didn't want to take a picture with me; usually all the talent is dying to take a picture with me and Michelle before the show, but he didn't show up for that.

Charlie (Colorado)

Gee, what kind of insurance is Mr. Cain on now, and why is he so sure it will be radically different unde ObamaCare?

(1) The insurance is "I'm richer than Croesus"

(2) this is partly in the subjunctive: "If I were dealing with this under Obamacare, I'd have died." Since he's not dead yet, we know it's in the hypothetical.

But what we do know that if you price-control something, you get a shortage of it.

Rich or not, in a system of Obama-ish price controls it would be more difficult to get some of the care he got. As an Obamacare patient, he would have needed to wait for the resources, like advanced imaging, and he would have had to deal with death panels advisory committees asking whether, on average agressive treatments added that much to survival.

The people who would have been outliers, like Cain, would simply not receive treatment that didn't increase average survival enough, and since we can't predict who will do well with many treatments, people like Cain would not get the treatment that would save them, because the the treatments wouldn't save the other two, or five, or whatever, patients with apparently similar diagnoses.

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