Herman Cain wins a straw poll in Florida. Byron York tells us how, and let's revisit his bio. In the post-Barack era Mr. Cain appears absurdly over-qualified:
Herman Cain (born December 13, 1945) is an American businessman, politician, columnist, and radio host from Georgia. He is the former chairman and CEO of Godfather's Pizza and a former deputy chairman (1992–94) and chairman (1995–96) of the board of directors to the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. Before his business and economics career he worked as a mathematician in ballistics for the United States Navy.[2][3]
What, no stint at Harvard? I guess we will have to hear from the left about how stupid he is, then.
More about Cain's business career
Herman Cain has more leadership ability in his pinky toe than Obama has in his flown-in-from-Chicago-personal-trainer-toned body.
Posted by: DebinNC | September 25, 2011 at 09:03 AM
I'm very happy for Herman Cain. I don't know if he can go all the way, but this must be a satisfying victory for him.
Posted by: Porchlight | September 25, 2011 at 09:04 AM
I'm happy for Cain too; as everybody who believes in citizen government should be.
Posted by: Captain Hate | September 25, 2011 at 09:16 AM
I am most pleased at the showings of Bachmann and Paul. If we could just get the latter under 10%, I'm good.
Posted by: Melinda Romanoff | September 25, 2011 at 09:17 AM
But , but, but how does that record stack up against the team Rush calls "the Justice Brothers" (Jackson and Sharpton)and with the tea party backing Cain, where does that leave the liars who called us racists?
Very complicated morning.
Posted by: Clarice | September 25, 2011 at 09:19 AM
Clarice-
A sense a coming disturbance in the cash flow of those two.
Posted by: Melinda Romanoff | September 25, 2011 at 09:21 AM
Herman Cain winning the Florida Straw Poll is whispered on page A6 in a short column in the WaPo dead tree edition.
For the time being it looks like the MFM strategy with Cain will be the "mention but ignore" strategy. It is used quite often with Virginia Republicans. Nothing really negative is printed, but it is hard to find out much of anything at all about some candidates.
Posted by: Janet | September 25, 2011 at 09:21 AM
Love Herman Cain. Great voice for America!
Posted by: A.Men | September 25, 2011 at 09:23 AM
A former chair of the history department at a NYC university is a lady who lives in our neighborhood and was at Orlando as a delegate to the FRP convention and straw poll. She tells me that Cain had a lot of momentum as a result of the "racists" labeling and his rousing speeches. He evidently, spent more time in Orlando and gave more speeches than the others.
I get Boortz in the mornings down here and Cain has been in the last few years his nominal substitute. He has always generated a lot of listener support and high applause for his aptitude and sense of humor. He is a very accomplished individual and has a interesting CV when you consider his education, business and professional experience and board work.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | September 25, 2011 at 09:30 AM
Minus 23 at Ras.
That's a two day drop of 7 points. This marks the fifteenth time of his presidency he's had a drop that size or bigger over two days,and first of 2011.
Posted by: hit and run | September 25, 2011 at 09:53 AM
That Mark Steyn guy is alright.
Posted by: hit and run | September 25, 2011 at 09:54 AM
I have a hard time seeing Cain as the front runner. I won't vote for him in the primary (unless it's between him and Romney), but I would support him in the general.
Posted by: Cecil Turner | September 25, 2011 at 09:55 AM
to address TM's point, I think the wisdom from Forrest Gump is appropriate here. Stupid is as stupid does. That a semi trailer truckload of stupid sitting in the Oval Office currently.
Posted by: Gmax | September 25, 2011 at 10:06 AM
So if a 100% black man runs against a half black man is a conundrum created for idiot talking heads everywhere?
Posted by: Gmax | September 25, 2011 at 10:10 AM
Would you like to see what the progs are saying about Cain? It will make you sick:
First this:
Finally found a black you can vote for, Liz and Steve?
Whoo hoo. Can't wait to see his clarence thomas credentials...if and when they are dug up by the watchdog if it bleeds it leads national media.
Does he have a white wife? Three homes? Multimillion dollar silver parachute? Poor relatives he won't help? Relatives in Africa who want favors? Or doubt he's a Christian?
Does he think that welfare queens should be arrested and their Cadillacs confiscated and their kids put in nice middle class white foster homes to save them from 'the cultural epidemic'?
We can only hope.
And then this:
The innuendos concerning race and intelligence and religious and national identity that the likes of Liz likes to ooze into the conversation when Obama is being discussed is only part of the racial undertones that we'll be hearing from both sides of the political coin if if Cain goes Virgil.
I'm reminding you liberals of your scorn of Clarence Uncle Thomas that has been part of the leftie unspoken mindset for years.
I'm waiting to see how much of the Uncle Tom stuff will come to life with Cain and how delicately, like Liz does with Obama, those who oppose his politics will use them in conversation.
Just a preemptive strike, folks.
A racial ice breaker, y'all.
Posted by: Jane | September 25, 2011 at 10:17 AM
Cheer up Jane its transference. And I find this gem in a National Journal article this AM:
Among some Democratic Insiders, optimism was even lower when it came to retaking the House. "We'll be lucky to be able to hold a caucus," said one particularly gloomy Democrat.
Posted by: Gmax | September 25, 2011 at 10:20 AM
So if we imagine Cain making it through to the nomination (an outcome I could definitely support,though still think is unlikely),who would be his Cheney on the ticket?
Most of the VP talk has centered around rising stars like Rubio (an outcome I could definitely support),but a ticket headed by Cain would need foreign policy heft,wouldn't it?
Posted by: hit and run | September 25, 2011 at 10:22 AM
My heart (and popcorn portfolio) says Bolton.
Or maybe Cheney could be his Cheney.
I mean Liz.
Posted by: hit and run | September 25, 2011 at 10:26 AM
VP Victor Davis Hanson has a nice ring.
Posted by: DebinNC | September 25, 2011 at 10:36 AM
tHey really haven't learned their lesson, from the last time they tried this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/09/25/sarah-palin-impersonator-cpac-florida_n_979309.html
Posted by: narciso | September 25, 2011 at 10:46 AM
Re the minus 23--WAIT TILL MORE VOTERS HEAR ABOUT O'S "PUT ON YOUR MARCHING SHOES" GAFFE. AND IT WAS A GAFFE. HE WON ONLY BY APPEARING TO BE A BLACK MAN WHO WAS ANYTHING BUT A COMMUNITY ORGANIZING, RACIST FIREBRAND.
(SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS.)
Posted by: Clarice | September 25, 2011 at 10:47 AM
SP-HC ticket--in either order--making lib heads explode !
OMG~ABO
Take good care,
Sandy
Posted by: Sandy Daze | September 25, 2011 at 10:53 AM
Clarice is a "must read" at Lucianne.com.
What's the marching shoes gaffe?
Posted by: Danube of Thought | September 25, 2011 at 10:54 AM
I'm with kim on the other thread -- slapping the podium made me wonder when the people with the nets come out and haul the guy off the stage.
Posted by: glasater | September 25, 2011 at 10:55 AM
ABO will obviously be considered "racist" in the progressive mind because that is Aussie slang for aborigine.
Posted by: sbw | September 25, 2011 at 11:07 AM
DoT, speaking at the Congressional Black Caucus sponsored shindig, Obama ad libbed that the audience should stop complaining and start putting on their marching shoes.
Posted by: Clarice | September 25, 2011 at 11:09 AM
Well your link in the post prompted me to read his bio. The usual shorthand is "CEO of Godfather's Pizza" and you say meh. Not so much. But when you read the full bio--climbing at Coca Cola and Pillsbury, President of a National Retailer's Association, sitting on and chairing the Board of a regional Federal Reserve Bank you have to say--this man has accomplished big things--a lot of big things.
He's got a nice genial manner, he's an accomplished debater--and he's not getting much traction. That's too bad. But he's a hell of a lot more qualified than The Bamster can ever dream of being.
Posted by: Comanche Voter | September 25, 2011 at 11:32 AM
Cain/Rubio 2012.
If Christie gets in... I love him too.
Let the media bring it on and let's throw some elbows. Cain needs to be tested and vetted.
Need a tough tested conservative to run against the Idiotlog in charge. And Rino RomneyCare just does not do it for me.
Posted by: Army of Davids | September 25, 2011 at 11:36 AM
Clarice,
I think the way it went down was "get out of your slippers and put on your marching shoes". IOW, Get out of your Jammies and go to work:) I am sure playing to the "Step 'N Fetch It" stereotype went over real well at the CBC. His speech was a rich mix of Sunday preaching, allegory and metaphor of exhorting "faith" rather than inspiration.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | September 25, 2011 at 11:40 AM
narciso,
You asked about Scott and Senate endorsement: I don't think he wants to do that now but let the process decide. What are you hearing?
I'll ask my neighbor.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | September 25, 2011 at 11:45 AM
Vice President Bolton has a nice ring to it.
Regarding Obama's shoutin' and hollerin' not to mention the entirely phony droppin' of the last letter of every gerund, I detected no hint of desperation. Obama is rallyin' his base, and he thinks that this will bring him winnin'.
Oddly enough the sound bite in front of the black congressional caucus, was the first thing I heard this morning, as my clock radio went off, and CBS led off with it at the top of the hour. Their lead in did not mention that he was speaking to the race baiting corrupt group.
Great editorial of a few days ago about the BCC LUN.
Posted by: peter | September 25, 2011 at 11:50 AM
He's got a nice genial manner, he's an accomplished debater--and he's not getting much traction.
I think we are going to see some traction. After all, if the left has started attacking him for his race, something is working.
Posted by: Jane | September 25, 2011 at 11:50 AM
Obama is the source of the modern day race card.
He first used it vs Bill Clinton in the South Carolina primary.
Bill just stabbed him in the back on not raising taxes.
Obama is in trouble.
Posted by: Army of Davids | September 25, 2011 at 11:50 AM
Wonderful, concise summary of Solyndra in the Washington Times.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | September 25, 2011 at 11:53 AM
Herman Cain remembers being the lookout as he and his brother took turns drinking from a whites-only water fountain. His father juggled three jobs - janitor, barber, and chauffer. Obama knows nothing about marching for basic rights, having no experience of black life until he arrived at Columbia. His Occidental sojourn was spent in company with Pakistani pals. Reportedly, he participated in Calypso Louie's Million Man March, but I bet that was mainly to burnish his street cred and make contacts. I bet the CBC members in their hearts don't think highly of our street hustler prez.
Posted by: DebinNC | September 25, 2011 at 11:54 AM
It would be nice to have a president with business experience and someone who can add, wouldn't it?
Posted by: Clarice | September 25, 2011 at 11:55 AM
Obama can add up to 57.
Posted by: sbw | September 25, 2011 at 12:03 PM
Clarice-
I'd almost settle for someone who can look at a dollar and not say "Mine!".
Posted by: Melinda Romanoff | September 25, 2011 at 12:04 PM
The Germans are apparently not so taken with carbon sequestration, according to Der Spiel, I mean, Der Spiegel. LUN
Was ist gut fur dich ist nicht so gut fur mich, it seems.
Well, Bammers and his minions are going to be playing even rougher and dirtier on the race card, it seems according the Drudge's lede from the WaPo. There's gonna be a lot of blaming "The White Man".
Interesting that his supporters include the Goldman gang, Immelt, Buffet, Soros, and the rest of the usual suspects.
Posted by: matt | September 25, 2011 at 12:04 PM
Obama is a lot whiter than Herman Cain.
Posted by: DebinNC | September 25, 2011 at 12:12 PM
Without making it, Julie Inkster's bunker shot on 18 was the greatest I have ever seen under pressure. Davies goes by the hole with hers and has to make the putt to get a point. All of sudden the tide is turning. Great golf at the Solheim Cup under "Irish" conditions - wet, cold, windy, with splotches of sunshine, lightning and thunder. Inkster comes back to halve the match. Unbelievable! And the Dutch kid, Boeljon has just stuck her second in the water. USA, USA, USA.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | September 25, 2011 at 12:13 PM
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/
"Amazingly, the top 5 banks have virtually 100% of all credit derivatives held by American banks (see the second to last line in the above table).
Dwarfing the World Economy
The amount of derivatives dwarfs the size of the world economy. As Bloomerg reported in May:
Mark Mobius, executive chairman of Templeton Asset Management’s emerging markets group, said another financial crisis is inevitable because the causes of the previous one haven’t been resolved.
“There is definitely going to be another financial crisis around the corner because we haven’t solved any of the things that caused the previous crisis,” Mobius said …“Are the derivatives regulated? No. Are you still getting growth in derivatives? Yes.”
The total value of derivatives in the world exceeds total global gross domestic product by a factor of 10, said Mobius, who oversees more than $50 billion. With that volume of bets in different directions, volatility and equity market crises will occur, he said.
The global financial crisis three years ago was caused in part by the proliferation of derivative products tied to U.S. home loans that ceased performing, triggering hundreds of billions of dollars in writedowns and leading to the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. in September 2008."
In case your'e wondering what the Butcher's Bill is, (at present)
it's um......choke, gasp!...$250 TRILLION.
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | September 25, 2011 at 12:15 PM
I almost wrote that Obama was so yesterday ... except that people a long time ago were knowledgeable enough about the past to recognize his snake oil.
Obama needed the flower power generation in order to take root. His snake oil needed a repeat of the 1920s transcendental fertilizer. Both decades spawned people rich enough they thought they would always be so. Both were naive enough to be gulled by shallow words.
Posted by: sbw | September 25, 2011 at 12:20 PM
MARRINER ECCLES-1933 h/t George Washington
http://londonbanker.blogspot.com/2011/09/testimony-of-marriner-eccles-to.html
"Before effective action can be taken to stop the devastating effects of the depression, it must be recognised that the breakdown of our present economic system is due to the failure of our political and financial leadership to intelligently deal with the money problem. In the real world there is no cause nor reason for the unemployment with its resultant dsestitution and suffering of fully one-third of our entire population. We have all and more of the material wealth which we had at the peak of our prosperity in the year 1929. Our people need and want everything which our abundant facilities and resources are able to provide for them. The problem of production has been solved, and we need no further capital accumulation for the present, which could only be utilised in further increasing our productive facilities or extending further foreign credits. We have a complete economic plant able to supply a superabundance of not only all the necessities of our people, but the comforts and luxuries as well. Our problem, then, becomes one purely of distribution. This can only be brought about by providing purchasing power sufficiently adequate to enable the people to obtain the consumption goods which we, as a nation, are able to produce. The economic system can serve no other purpose and expect to survive."
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | September 25, 2011 at 12:23 PM
RCP Averge: 42.9%.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | September 25, 2011 at 12:26 PM
There's gonna be a lot of blaming "The White Man".
I've heard for months that they have race riots all teed up if things go into the tank. A Cain nomination would really screw that up.
Posted by: Jane | September 25, 2011 at 12:28 PM
Henry Morgenthau Diary, May 1939:
Posted by: Danube of Thought | September 25, 2011 at 12:34 PM
Yeah, DoT, it was the subordinating taxpayers to private investors is where the criminality is. The whole green mess is going to be one of the campaign memes next year, if not THE meme. It's nice to have criminality at the core of it, as well as diseased and deluded ideology.
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Posted by: Val knew. Heh, maybe Obama really didn't. He ignored the 2:00 PM call at the golf course. | September 25, 2011 at 12:34 PM
As long as I'm ruminating...
I made the mistake of reading Gary Trudeau this morning.
Have you spent time rubbing elbows with the artsie fartsie? Or fashionistas?
Drill deep enough down and they deflate. Real artists are confident in their pen -- practiced enough to know the next attempt can just as easily produce wondrous achievement as dreck. Competent journalists I have met have that calm assurance.
Meanwhile, Journolistas -- the MSM pundits struggling to stay afloat -- swim with the crowd all the harder in fear of being punctured.
Their "success" is will soon go out of style and depends on their continued failure to achieve what deep down they originally had hoped for.
Posted by: sbw | September 25, 2011 at 12:38 PM
"We'll be lucky to be able to hold a caucus," said one particularly gloomy Democrat.
That's too optimistic for our side. I heard the quote was from Anthony Weiner, and it's one syllable too long.
Posted by: bgates | September 25, 2011 at 12:39 PM
--Our problem, then, becomes one purely of distribution.--
After the mountains of corpses piled up last century by governments claiming this very thing it's amazing there are still people who cling to it.
The mountains weren't high enough?
Posted by: Ignatz | September 25, 2011 at 12:40 PM
Wait until the Dems do a 60 Minutes type deal on Cain, or better yet to keep their racial hands clean, have 60 Minutes do it themselves. You know the script:
1. Some guy with his face a silhouette, his voice masked by a voice changer, reveals that Godfather's Pizza used dog meat imported from North Korea instead of American made pepperoni.
2. Interviews with former members of the Navy's Ballistic Calculation Department who remember that Herman really didn't do much of the actual calculations but used a computer instead.
3. A former colleague at the Federal Reserve in Kansas City who noted that on Sunday, he would go to church first before he went to the Chiefs game. And it was a Baptist church, where they would jump up and shout "Alleluia" whenever the pastor invoked the name Jesus!
4. As a post-script, Andy Rooney would end the special edition of 60 minutes by exclaiming,
"You know what really bothers me, the accent. That's right the accent. We all have accents. Mine is that of an old white Westside codger. You know, a guy who has to get up in the middle of the night to take a pee. But Cain has an accent that reminds me of the Old South. I have nothing agains the Old South but it is where they used to hang people like Cain for being Uppity. There is nothing wrong with being Uppity. I know a lot of Uppity people in my neighborhood. But do we want a guy with an accent and is Uppity at the same time? I don't think so."
Posted by: Jack is Back! | September 25, 2011 at 12:43 PM
Obama is traveling out west today:
Today: 4 fundraisers
Monday: 3 fundraisers + 1 "townhall"
Tuesday: 1 school photo-op then back to DC
All that money raised to demonize whichever opponent finally emerges + financing the coming campaign which RNC Chairman Priebus said this morning is no longer "Yes we can" but "It could have been worse."
Posted by: DebinNC | September 25, 2011 at 12:45 PM
Pitch perfect Andy Rooney JiB. LOL.
Posted by: Ignatz | September 25, 2011 at 12:50 PM
What happened to Republican Unity?
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/09/reconsidering_romneys_chances.html
"This is essentially the way Romney is treating the conservative mood. Yes, conservatives have developed a series of policy stances — say, that subsidizing and regulating private health insurance is the greatest threat to freedom in American history. Rather than treat this as a principled view, Romney simply treats it as an atavistic expression of hostility toward Obama. He defends his Massachusetts plan by pointing out that it involves private insurance. That makes it exactly the same as Obama’s plan, but Romney probably figures most conservative voters don’t know that, and he’s probably right. Here's a good example of Romney on health care:
Obamacare intends to put someone between you and your physician. It must be repealed. And if I'm president of the United States, on my first day in office, I will issue an executive order which directs the secretary of health and human services to provide a waiver from Obamacare to all 50 states. That law is bad; it's unconstitutional; it shall not stand.
Rather he uses every question as an opportunity to convey to conservatives that he shares their general sense of anger and grievance against Obama. He does so without, in most cases, tying himself down to specific policy stances that could harm him in the general election.
I had assumed that Romney would face insurmountable obstacles because he is not, at heart, a true conservative. But this turns out to be something that allows him to pander to the base more effectively. It allows him to treat conservatism as a psychological condition, one he can pander to without the complicating burden of taking it seriously. (His contempt for the party base has always endeared him to me.)"
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | September 25, 2011 at 12:57 PM
OT
Erdogan is being interviewed right now on Zakaria's show -- Direct TV 202.
Posted by: glasater | September 25, 2011 at 01:07 PM
Bull hockey. All that's missing from this white agenda is Herman Cain saying "some of his best friends are Jews."
Won't make a dent on the Black community of voters!
While, yesterday, I read that McDonald's has produced thousands and thousands of Black and Hispanic MILLIONAIRES!
Invest right. Everything about "color" and genitalia, is HOKUM.
Posted by: Carol Herman | September 25, 2011 at 01:09 PM
I first encountered Zakaria, on the pages on
the New Republic, suggesting Reagan's NSC was some kind of coup, and he has rarely gotten anymore sense in the last quarter century.
Posted by: narciso | September 25, 2011 at 01:13 PM
Europe wins Solheim Cup on an out of body experience last 3 holes by Suzann Pettersen of Norway. But it America should have got 2 extra points for giving most of the European ladies a college education and world class competitive golf experience at the same time. It was more like an NCAA tournament than a US vs. Europe match.
Now off to watch the Jags v. Panthers. Gabbert v. Newton, 2 1st round rookie QB's. Run MoJo, Run!
Posted by: Jack is Back! | September 25, 2011 at 01:15 PM
Brilliant, JiB.
"was the subordinating taxpayers to private investors is where the criminality is"
I know that doing so violated a federal law, but I'm not sure there are criminal penalties. Anybody know?
Posted by: Danube of Thought | September 25, 2011 at 01:21 PM
" We have a complete economic plant able to supply a superabundance of not only all the necessities of our people, but the comforts and luxuries as well. Our problem, then, becomes one purely of distribution"
'Context' is your friend. He's not talking about the distribution of wealth, but distribution channels for Goods.
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | September 25, 2011 at 01:22 PM
"He's not talking about the distribution of wealth, but distribution channels for Goods."
How very helpful. Sounds like a fine blueprint for executive action.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | September 25, 2011 at 01:33 PM
Extraneus's link from the other thread to Obama video - Stop complaining & march!
Posted by: Janet | September 25, 2011 at 01:39 PM
"Goods"? Why not "GOODS"? For a Yalie, Ben-Dana seems always unable to acquit himself. Were he Obama, someone could ascribe to him some genius for the obvious idiocy.
Does Ben-Dama have any idea how much money Eccles made off of those scams? Oh, my.
Better said, does Ben-Dana have any idea?
Posted by: MarkO | September 25, 2011 at 01:42 PM
That "slippers" thing made me think of loose shoes. Does that make me a racist, or merely disclose me? Does it make Obama more of a racist that he clearly is? Action based on race is, to me, racism.
Posted by: MarkO | September 25, 2011 at 01:44 PM
i'm not sure which was funnier, "Der Spiel" or the Andy Rooney bit.
Posted by: macphisto | September 25, 2011 at 01:46 PM
Pitch perfect Andy Rooney JiB. LOL.
I agree; plus it's the first time that I've laughed at anything related to that barely-one-note codger for a while.
Posted by: Captain Hate | September 25, 2011 at 01:50 PM
--'Context' is your friend. He's not talking about the distribution of wealth, but distribution channels for Goods.--
I'll take that as a tacit admission that the pursuit of redistributing wealth leads to mountains of corpses.
Posted by: Ignatz | September 25, 2011 at 01:51 PM
"I'll take that as a tacit admission that the pursuit of redistributing wealth leads to mountains of corpses."
whatever augers your pov.
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | September 25, 2011 at 01:54 PM
Disregarding Carol Herman's learned opinion I really do wonder what a Cain candidacy would do to the black vote.
I had a good friend, who has since moved and I've lost contact with, who was black and fairly conventional politically for a black; economically liberal and somewhat socially conservative and a die hard Democrat.
During the Clarence Thomas hearings he was absolutely livid with Biden and company for the attacks on Thomas.
There are a great many self sufficient black voters who I'm convinced would not have a problem supporting Cain, especially if the rich white left started playing the Uncle Tom/"inauthentic" card against a self made, successful black man.
Posted by: Ignatz | September 25, 2011 at 02:00 PM
--whatever augers your pov--
An auger is like a drill.
An augur is like a diviner.
I am as unfamiliar with your use of that word as you seem to be with its meaning.
Posted by: Ignatz | September 25, 2011 at 02:05 PM
Ben Franklin:
"[Romney] uses every question as an opportunity to convey to conservatives that he shares their general sense of anger and grievance against Obama. does so without, in most cases, tying himself down to specific policy stances that could harm him in the general election."
I certainly have doubts about Romney's small government bona fides, and would even agree that he's deflecting criticism of Romneycare onto Obama, but this is typical progressive stream-of-consciousness logic, when the author is using Romney's explicit commitment to repealing Obamacare as his example. He's not entirely wrong, of course, because it looks like that stance is unlikely to harm Romney in the general election -- but then the "general sense of anger and grievance against Obama" (typical lefty formulation there!) would not be an exclusively conservative "psychological condition" would it?
As to your initial question, it's amusing that progressives and media types have been reporting on what might be called "unexpected" Republican disunity for almost as long as I can remember. We are, will be, and always have been a coalition party. If such internal divisions seem new, it rather confirms a research survey which unexpectedly found that conservatives actually understand liberal psychology better than vice versa.
Posted by: JM Hanes | September 25, 2011 at 02:30 PM
Well that comes for 'chaitred' as Hewitt dubbed him, JM, who is just slightly less clueless than say Drum on domestic policy,
and in the same ballpark as Lynch on foreign
policy,
Posted by: narciso | September 25, 2011 at 02:35 PM
JMH;
"If such internal divisions seem new....."
I was referring to the old dictum 'speak no ill of Republicans', but I agree Dems have been underestimating conservative psychology.
I just think y'all are underestimating Romney. He is smart, just not the type of smart you prefer.
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | September 25, 2011 at 02:45 PM
One of my ancestors invented the auger. A fellow researcher came across the original patent when searching for something else, recognized the surname as one I was researching for my direct line and copied the patent and sent it to me for my own records. It wasn't that big a deal to me, but my husband carried on like it was the coolest thing he ever heard.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | September 25, 2011 at 02:49 PM
Absurd that the differing views of several competing candidates can be taken as evidence of party "disunity."
I believe you will find not just unity, but a passionately- and universally-held belief among Republicans that Obama must be removed from office for the good of the country.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | September 25, 2011 at 02:49 PM
"but a passionately- and universally-held belief among Republicans that Obama must be removed from office for the good of the country"
Well, I do think Obama has had difficulty reaching 'one issue voters.'
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | September 25, 2011 at 02:51 PM
Cain had trouble w/ the "right of return" question. No doubt foreign policy is his weakness.
Smart move to make a trip to Israel after his mistake.
He will make others and should be called out on it. But to dismiss Cain is a mistake. Really happy about this Florida straw poll.
Posted by: Army of Davids | September 25, 2011 at 03:00 PM
"Well, I do think Obama has had difficulty reaching 'one issue voters.'"
What does that have to do with party unity?
Posted by: Danube of Thought | September 25, 2011 at 03:10 PM
DoT,
I believe that typing Sandy's OMG-ABO constitutes sufficient refutation of any of Professor Dana Ward of the Pitzer Home for Mental Deficients' gargle. I do enjoy watching him being clubbed at length in diverse manners and styles though.
Posted by: Rick Ballard | September 25, 2011 at 03:13 PM
Cain could have trouble with young inner-city black voters. The ones who when they get more than a D in school are chastised by their peers for being too "whitey". Bill Cosby and the Mayor of Philly have discussed this problem openly, so I am not channeling Bull Connor. But maybe they don't vote or do so only when Reverend Al or Jesse tell them to. One other thing Cain has working for him in the Black community, at least the one down South is his Morehouse connection. As a traditional Black college (at least it was back in his day) that plays better than going to those high faluting places like Occidental, Columbia and Harvard. Even Purdue has a "blue collar" hard work ethic (Boilermakers) attached to it.
So go ahead, lets have a Cain v. Obama contest and let the chips fall where they may. Could well be the most defining election for leader of our country ever.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | September 25, 2011 at 03:17 PM
I had to look up the pronunciation of Cixi. She-zee. Uncommon knowledge to me.
Posted by: caro | September 25, 2011 at 03:19 PM
"Romney received 51 percent of the 681 votes cast, a whopping 34-percentage point victory over second-place Perry, who garnered 17 percent...."
I didn't even know there was a Michigan Straw Poll.
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | September 25, 2011 at 03:20 PM
"typing Sandy's OMG-ABO constitutes sufficient refutation of any of Professor Dana Ward of the Pitzer "
*chuckle.
Here's where DoT caught his delusion ( from Goldbrick, as i call him.)
Jeff Goldstein posted on 11/26 @ 10:21 pm
Yes, here you are, Dana. A professor of Political Studies at Pitzer.
I imagine the university college is proud to have someone stumbling around the internet using names like “Goldbrick” to refer to people of a particular persuasion.
Incidentally, what’s the standard line taught in “Political Studies” these days about child-rearing? Are we teaching that it’s no longer an important domestic function, since women have been liberated? Or do I get to use the grandmother clause—you know, the one where I’m given credit for performing an important and difficult social service worthy of inclusion in history books?
Beware the yellow wallpaper.
And yes, my spouse is terribly grateful. Sure, I don’t make as much as a Professor of Political Studies at Pitzer College. But then, I also have the luxury of not being a Professor of Political Studies at Pitzer College.
So it’s a wash.
Posted by: Benjamin Franklin | September 25, 2011 at 03:22 PM
And I meant to add koo-doze. My ipad "post" button is sticky.
I am having lunch at Roland's Seafood Grill on the Strip in Pittsburgh. 500 beers so I really needed advice. I went with Victory Hop Devil. Not strictly local, but Pennsylvania. Excellent.
Yes, I was at that Steelers game last Sunday. What a sea of black and gold. I wore a borrowed jersey that proclaimed WARD! 86!
Anecdotal, I went to a planning meeting for my high school reunion next year and 3 out of 10 of us geezers at the table had ipads in front of us.
Here on the Strip there is a Penzey's Spice store. Clarice! Too many cinnamons. And I found the not outrageous cardamom for Jane.
End of travelogue.
Posted by: caro | September 25, 2011 at 03:36 PM
Have they got Griesedieck?
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Posted by: Do they even make it anymore? Boilers they make. | September 25, 2011 at 03:39 PM
Sadly,no,Kim. At least not on the menu.
Posted by: caro | September 25, 2011 at 03:46 PM
Ben Franklin:
" just think y'all are underestimating Romney. He is smart, just not the type of smart you prefer."
I'm don't believe many of us underestimate his smarts, although I think a lot of folks prefer to ignore the electability factor, claiming (erroneously IMO) that McCain is proof of that unpalatable pudding.
Romney would, in fact, be my preferred candidate, if I could be persuaded he will actually commit himself to making the federal government as "inconsequential" as possible, as well as curbing White House regulatory incursions on Congressional prerogatives. He has a better handle on foreign policy and international dynamics than anybody in the offing. That's the increasingly important piece of the presidential puzzle which I think folks tend to underestimate the most.
Posted by: JM Hanes | September 25, 2011 at 03:46 PM
caro:
I am having lunch at Roland's Seafood Grill on the Strip in Pittsburgh. 500 beers so I really needed advice.
Advice after 500 beers? Don't drive home.
Posted by: hit and run | September 25, 2011 at 03:47 PM
RomneyCare's dad is a former Michigan Governor. He better win Michigan.
Posted by: Army of Davids | September 25, 2011 at 03:49 PM
Meant to add that the reason Reagan had to articulate a "speak no ill" commandment is because wrangling amongst themselves has pretty much always been a feature of Republican politics.
Posted by: JM Hanes | September 25, 2011 at 03:50 PM
If just 3% of the AA vote switches from O-blame-a to Cain that will do major damage to the Democrats.
I think he would get a lot more.
Posted by: Army of Davids | September 25, 2011 at 03:51 PM
I think this is alittle harsh:
Brit Hume says Perry campaign is on the verge of imploding after weak debate performances
Posted by: Sara (Pal2Pal) | September 25, 2011 at 04:10 PM
I thought this "exit poll" of sorts from the Michigan straw poll, in which Romeny "trounced" Perry, was interesting:
I loved Herman Cain's compelling victory in a major swing state like Florida! He would not be my choice for Prez, but I think he's making a terrific contribution to the campaign season as a whole.
Cain would be a great Vice President, where his hortatory skills could serve a Republican Administration unusually well. Once the Darth Vadar meme was established last time around, defending and promoting Adminstration policy was something that Cheney really couldn't do, and I think the Bush Administration suffered sorely for it. Cain is obviously capable of stepping into the Presidential shoes, as next in succession, and he would give the Republican ticket a lot more heft than the Obama-Biden team will ever have.
Posted by: JM Hanes | September 25, 2011 at 04:15 PM
WaPo:
"Today, the political realities of a sputtering economy, a more polarized Washington and fast-sinking presidential job approval ratings, particularly among white independents, are forcing the Obama campaign to adjust its tactics....Operation Vote will function as a large, centralized department in the Chicago campaign office for reaching ethnic, religious and other voter groups. It will coordinate recruitment of an ethnic volunteer base and push out targeted messages online and through the media to groups such as blacks, Hispanics, Jews, women, seniors, young people, gays and Asian Americans."
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I guess Obama's "There's not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there's the United States of America" was just words.
Posted by: DebinNC | September 25, 2011 at 04:22 PM
That's Part 2,983 of the series,Deb. But who's counting?
Posted by: hit and run | September 25, 2011 at 04:35 PM
That's a meme, JM, it has no relation to reality, It was just a way of invalidating nearly 40 years of experience in Washington,
by the left, the Wahhabi lobby, whose interests overlap.
Posted by: narciso | September 25, 2011 at 04:43 PM
yippeee! cardaman - thank you Caro.
The Iranian hostages just thanked Che' Cindy Sheehan, Sean Penn and desmond TUTU as well as every other despicable person you can think of. That was after criticizing the US government's policy toward Iran. (I didn't know we had a policy)
Posted by: Jane | September 25, 2011 at 04:47 PM
Oh, god, you can't even work around that level of stupidity, it's like they learned
nothing from their inprisonment, (which fits
the previous thread)
Posted by: narciso | September 25, 2011 at 04:51 PM
Vice President Bolton has a nice ring to it.
Might get their attention in Tehran.
Posted by: PD | September 25, 2011 at 04:52 PM