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Jack is Back!

Drezner is your typical foreign policy protective class intellectual who thinks FP is some kind of problem only a Princeton or Harvard education to handle with any international acclimation. It is exactly the same kind of elitist thinking that has given us the "reset" button, the apology tour and our abandonment of Israel. Then we have the Arab Spring, Libya, Coptic genocide and Syria. Did I mention Iran?

J

As much as I enjoy Prof. Althouse site, when she mentioned that she had thought of voting for mccain until her son told her to vote for obama, which she did, I lost a lot of respect for her opinion. She is not someone I will be turning to or reading in the run up to the next potus election. Perhaps you could quote someone with a better track record? And a deeper thinker? And someone who could argue their case better? I, myself, find Mr. Cain mighty attractive as a candidate. Good resume, strong character, great love of my country and a good business head. NONE of which mr obama, prof. althouse's candidate, shared.

glasater

Herma Cain's foreign policy from what I can understand is non-existant.
And Mitt Romney's views on China scares the heck out of me.

Uncle BigBad

Reminds me of Ross Perot.

narciso

Can we really take Drezner seriously after this, I long ago dismissed him, not as clueless as Rothkopf:


That said, there are some logical flaws and major gaps in this draft that will have to be corrected if you want to earn a better grade. The first problem is the style. I recognize that you've written this as a campaign document, so you're never going to completely eliminate the unadulterated horseshit allegations about the current president going on an apology tour. Maybe you could do it a bit more subtly in the future, however?

Jane

Don't most presidents come into office with no foreign policy experience? Obama was anti-war and by my count entered his 4th war on Friday. I've yet to figure out which friend of Valerie Jarrett a Uganda intervention benefits, but I have no doubt there is one.

One test of a great CEO is who he surrounds himself with. By all accounts, Cain is a great CEO. He should announce a foreign policy team or at least find one and consult with them. I'm less bothered by this lack experience on Cain's resume than a lot of people.

BR

Jane, on an earlier thread you asked about Issa's appearance on Face the Nation 10/16/11. Here's a link to the transcript, re Fast and Furious. LUN

Page two has interesting bit that Issa's committee has documents received unofficially. Then they request copies of originals from DOJ and receive redacted versions.

So, they can clearly see what's been redacted.

narciso

'No blood for oil' I think BR pointed this out in an earlier thread, it's Aaron Klein
so it seems reliable:

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=356321

centralcal

Jane, I think I have read in several places that Cain is consulting with John Bolton on foreign policy. I saw one mention of Bolton and Henry Kissinger but sure of the truth of that pairing.

Captain Hate

I'm less bothered by this lack experience on Cain's resume than a lot of people.

Count me in too Jane. The "foreign policy" canard is the usual tripe that the David Gregorys of the world like to toss out to disqualify somebody they don't like. In the case of El JEFe, they fawned all over his affectation of referring to Iraq as Mesopotamia and ignored witless utterances such as he wouldn't have supported The Surge after it was proven to be effective. Also that he'd toss Taiwan to the wolves whenever convenient. And that he'd torpedo Israel in the manner of all donk pols (except for maybe Lieberman).

The question should be more like "will candidate X surround him or herself with advisors that look out for the country's interests first and foremost".

glasater

Herman Cain doesn't worry me on the foreign policy front. But Mitt Romney's thinking sure does:

One Republican presidential hopeful, Mitt Romney, has propelled China into the center of the contest by accusing it of "cheating," and by threatening to shut down U.S. markets to Chinese goods unless China lets its currency appreciate significantly. President Barack Obama has attacked Beijing for "gaming the trading system."

One shouldn't be making those kinds of statements about our largest creditor.

BR

Page one is about 3 guns at Border Agent Brian Terry's murder. Not said by Issa, but already known is that gun #2 and/or #3 were Fast and Furious guns. What he did say is #2 and #3 did not match ballistically to the fatal wound, but gun #1 is missing, so Issa is following up on what looks like part of the coverup.

narciso

Yes, but where would Gregory and company, really find any interest in that, he's an
American U grad, you would think he wouldn't
have these Ivy pretensiousness. Cain I assume
was trying to avoid the 'two minute hate' on neocons, for the Iraq war.

Appalled

1. This is a domestic policy election. I don't want W redux when it comes to foreign policy, but I also don't think a President Cain wants to be W redux. My guess is that he will find someone with a lot of credentials to help him out, should his standing in the polls continue to suggest electability. It's not like Obama had a lot of fp expertise going in.

2. TM -- you are risking losing your audience by embracing credentialed moderates. Next thing you know, you are David Brooks admiring the crease in the President's pants. By the way, while taking Prof Drezner seriously has its hazards (though if he is not referencing Zombies or Salma Hayak, he's likely somewhat serious), I think he's genuinely depressed by Cain's lack of foreign policy ideas.

3. Just an observation, from lurking over the weekend. In 2008, Romney was Limbaugh's guy, and something of a conservative hope over McCain. Now he's a RINO. Is it a good sign that RINOs are getting more conservative these days?

fdcol63

Appalled, I agree with your points 1 & 2.

However, Pt. 3, as far as Limbaughs support goes, fails to include Romney's role in advising on ObamaCare and some of Romney's more recent comments supporting AGW.

Jack is Back!

OT: They have renamed the Bob Hope Golf Classic, the Humana Golf Challenge after the health care coglomerate. Co-sponsor is (drum roll, professor) The William Jefferson Clinton Global Initative.

Now, I turn it over to Captain Hate for the color commentary.

Clarice

I remember J effin Kerry memorized, it seems, the names of alll the deputy Fruit Inspectors around the world and I still wouldn't have wanted him anywhere near the WH.
He did mention Bolton as his advisor. He knows shinola from the other stuff it would seem.

Janet

test

Appalled

JIB:

Somewhere (likely on the Road to Utopia), the shade of Bing Crosby is smiling.

Jane

Thanks BR, I actually found the transcript last night. I really like the way Issa is handling this. I doubt at this point the media will ever pick up on it, as they are busy planning strategy for OWS and then objectively reporting on it.

History will prove that the liberal media brought down the greatest country on the planet.

narciso

Well it could be worse, the Human Fund could
be sponsoring it,

Clarice

Why the CLASS portion of obamacare will have to go and a suggestion the same tactic be used on the whole damn schmear;
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204479504576635200446357240.html?mod=djemEditorialPage_h

Janet

LUN is a repost of Clarice's link from the I love a mystery thread -
Journolist 2--advising the DC Occupy leaders on messaging as they report on their work.

(if this shows up 3 times I am sorry...it keeps disappearing when I hit post..I'm trying LUN)

History will prove that the liberal media brought down the greatest country on the planet.

So true!

Ranger

Page two has interesting bit that Issa's committee has documents received unofficially. Then they request copies of originals from DOJ and receive redacted versions.

So, they can clearly see what's been redacted.

Posted by: BR | October 17, 2011 at 08:17 AM

Talk about causing fear and panic in the DoJ. Issa is playing this like a well designed intel operation. The DoJ will tear itself appart looking for the moles. And the more they do, the more people at DoJ that will be clamoring for a spot in the ever shrinking number of lifeboats.

Also, knowing what has been redacted can be very useful in finding out what they truely fear and want to keep covered up.

Captain Hate

Well it could be worse, the Human Fund could be sponsoring it,

George Costanza's "charity"?

Someone should consult Jack Nicklaus who was purportedly disgusted by Slick's cheating at golf; although why anybody would be surprised by that.....

Army of Davids

Strongly disagree that Cain is underqualified.


BR

Exactly, Ranger!

And LUN is Issa's letter in response to Holder's of 10/7/11. Very strong response.

Jane, let this era be remembered for people having effectively overcome biased media.

It's good, though, that CBS is staying on it. Maybe they're getting that good old American spirit of competition back.

Janet

Good post at the Conservative Treehouse with that video of former KGB agent Yuri Brezmenov. Talks about the 4 stages - demoralization, crisis, normalization, & destabilization. It is a clips video so it addresses the main points...
LUN

Ranger

And as for foreign policy savvy, let us not forget that it was the Bush 41 crowd, who were supposedly the best and the brightest at FP that totally mishandled the first stages of the Yugoslav crisis. Then when Clinton came along and installed the Dem version of the FP best and brightest, they managed to make an already bad situation even worse. Rarely has a single set of policy questions restulted in such total failure (as defined by those setting the policy goals themselves).

Of course, it couldn't be that the credentialed morons in the FP establishement were wrong at any given point. It was all just "bad luck."

Danube of Thought

Minus 23 at Raz today.

Jane

Jane, let this era be remembered for people having effectively overcome biased media.

Every fiber in my being, hopes you are right.

BR

Fast and Furious: LUN is a list of 11 reassignments of ATF executive staff as of 10/6/11. Besides Deputy Director Hoover's demotion to Washington Field Office, there's something strange about it. Like this one:

"Thomas Brandon will become Deputy Director. He most recently served as Special Agent in Charge of the ATF Phoenix Field Division. Prior to that assignment he was the Special Agent in Charge of the ATF Detroit Field Division from January 2008 to August 2011." (Actually, there are other articles saying he had already replaced Newell in Phoenix by April.)

Insiders who know these personalities probably have a good understanding of who are Holder's allies in the coverup.

Rick Ballard

"falling in love with underqualified charismatic fresh faces"

Hmmm.... what shade of brown nose marks a "qualified" (read connected) oligarch desperately seeking to retain that which has been irrevocably and irretrievably lost? I'm not particularly cheerful about the rising tide of populism but the abject and complete failure of the oligarchy suggests that "qualified" be dismissed as a prerequisite for advancement unless it pertains to measurable achievement beyond the confines of our great centers of indoctrination.

I'm as unconcerned regarding Cain's shade of brown nose "qualifications" as I was about Palin's. Either of them is worth four McCains or six Romneys.

glasater

With apologies to Extraneus and his sentiments on not reading links, this one is really a must read:

BREAKING: An IPCC backchannel ‘cloud’ was apparently established to hide IPCC deliberations from FOIA.

Here's the gist of the thing:

"With this morning’s Freedom of Information Act request, the explaining they have to do must begin by providing the taxpayer certain records regarding — including but not limited to user name and password — for a backchannel ‘cloud’ established to hide IPCC deliberations from FOIA."

and

"This effort has apparently been conducted with participation — thereby direct assistance and enabling — by the Obama White House which, shortly after taking office, seized for Holdren’s office the lead role on IPCC work from the Department of Commerce. The plan to secretly create a FOIA-free zone was then implemented."

and

"CEI also reminds OSTP of a similar, ongoing effort by the administration to claim that records on U.S. government computers belong to the UN IPCC, refusing to produce them under FOIA. This practice was affirmed in a report by the Department of Commerce’s Office of Inspector General earlier this year."

also

"This was filed with OSTP run by controversial ‘science czar” and, we now know, former Mitt Romney ‘climate’ advisor John Holdren. The taxpayer deserves to know about this coordinated effort between OSTP and the IPCC to subvert U.S. law."

Wonder if Mitt Romney will ever begin to try and explain his Holdren connection.

Captain Hate

the Bush 41 crowd, who were supposedly the best and the brightest at FP that totally mishandled the first stages of the Yugoslav crisis.

Poppy Bush was an unmitigated disaster for eastern Europe following the clear signals that Reagan sent out promoting freedom and that they were able to toss off the yoke of communism bloodlessly happened DESPITE Bush rather than because of anything he did. The Repukes have been sneakily trying to revise history to act like Reagan would be considered a RINO by conservatives today. In fact Reagan was hated by the country clubbers who considered him the second coming of Goldwater and who had the temerity to challenge their well-meaning hapless oaf Ford.

fdcol63

Obama's problems with FP are not just due to his "ignorance" about FP.

Rather, they are caused by his biased, mal-informed and mal-educated Leftist ideology as well as that of his advisors, and his supreme arrogance that he can steer world events and foreign leaders with the power of his charisma alone.

Threadkiller

This is a tough place to lose an audience, Appalled.

The pre-Palin version of McCain had me sold on only one point. He swore he was going to name names.

I am inclined to believe Cain can follow thru on this.

Captain Hate

his supreme arrogance that he can steer world events and foreign leaders with the power of his charisma alone.

Whoever is the Repub nominee has to hit him with this constantly because he honestly believes this despite there being no evidence to support it, and it would break his glass jaw to be confronted with it.

jimmyk

Rather, they are caused by his biased, mal-informed and mal-educated Leftist ideology as well as that of his advisors, and his supreme arrogance that he can steer world events and foreign leaders with the power of his charisma alone.

True, and the corollary is that good instincts and a healthy sense of right and wrong can go a lot farther than BS "experience" in FP. I'd like to see more evidence of this with Cain, as his big gaffe on Israel was worrisome.

Porchlight

This is a domestic policy election.

Right now it is. For a long time it looked like 2008 would be about Iraq; events occurred and it wasn't.

I pray this won't be the case, but much could happen in the next year to shift discussion in a very different direction.

NK

OT-- last week there were some comments about a Hillary! primary challenge, and some of us said no way. In that vain, further proof Hillary! will take a couple of years off with some young female attendants, and take a leave from electoral politics, see National Journal link below:

http://nationaljournal.com/politics/hillary-clinton-it-s-time-for-others-to-step-up--20111017

BR

Oh my, Glasater! Like Kimshee's favorite saying:
Never have I heard so loud, the message in a cloud.

Army of Davids

Jane,

I've known about Bezmenov for years. Spooky when you see what is going on.

OWS is not an accident.

Captain Hate

My God, NK, her picture looks like something appropriate for Halloween. Maybe ChaCo is correct and it's a medical problem but I still maintain that somebody with her financial resources who's in the public eye should hire somebody to keep from looking like that.

MarkO

From George Will:


“He’s not running for president, sort of strolling for president without an infrastructure."

http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/16/george-will-cain-not-running-but-strolling-for-president/#ixzz1b38v2YJh

Army of Davids

Sorry Janet.

Janet...Jane...Janet...Janet.

My comment on Bezmenov.

Fabian Socialism, Communism, Fascism

They all hang out in the same corner of the room where everyone is equal....some are just more equal.

Jane

Are you talking about Hillary Capn'? I think she looks fine. She is aging and putting on weight. C'est la vie. Think Madelaine Albright or Henry Kissinger.

Now there have been lots of pictures out there that are simply terrible. This isn't one of them.

fdcol63

Ref Bezmenov:

There's a reason that people like Bill Ayers and other committed anti-Americans entrenched themselves within academia.

We're now seeing their Gramscian strategy coming to fruition.

While there are exceptions to every rule, the majority of the Millenials now comprising the "Occupy" movement are ignorant about American history, have been spoonfed a lifelong dose of liberal, anti-American, anti-Western, anti-Christian and anti-Semitic animosity, and now have an inflated sense of entitlement and self-esteem spawned by Boomer parents who prevented them from learning from their failures and who sought to protect their kids' feelings by ridiculing competition, and who have had the luxury of growing up in an unparalleled age of wealth and technological innovation.

They believe we owe them something and that they deserve it.

And they mean to get it - somehow, someway ... and NOW!

NK

CaptH-- I take it you now agree she's not running for anything for a while. I am a believer in Occam's Razor. I doubt she's ill in any sense. From 1991-2009 Hillary! had a NASCAR-like crew fix her up every morning to make her presentable -- all paid for with campaign funds. As Sec State, campaign funds not available for daily fixing, so she's in full hag mode (sorry ladies for the coarse description, but in Hillary's! case it just is). 2012 looks like a complete disaster for 'moderate' Dems with low melonin, so she sits it out. She and Bill will pick up the Dem pieces in 2013, and try to put a rational Dem party back together. Until then, it's UGG boots and pajama bottoms for Hillary!

Porchlight

Sometimes Hillary looks pretty good. She just needs to lose the extra pounds. Something she and I have in common. :)

Captain Hate

NK, I never thought she would buck the party; she, Slick and his band of toadies (Carville, teh Forehead et al) are too tied in with them despite them stabbing her in the back in their 2008 infatuation with El JEFe. I'm not sure they have any long-term strategy though; in fact I'd be surprised if Clenis is coherent in 4 years although Muffer might be better off without him since there's no tangible evidence he's ever helped anybody but himself.

MarkO

Compared to the picture of her with Bill at Yale, she actually looks better now.

NK

CaptH-- I don't think they have s coherent long-term power except for accumulating more personal power and influence. If 2012 is as big as a disaster for the Dems as I think it will be, there will be a second showdown between the Progs (Obamaniacs) and the "New Dems" (Clintons/Wallst/Hollywood)to control the Dem Party. I hope the Progs win again so this country will have a Left-Wing Party and a Right -Wing party giving people a real choice.

Jane

Bill looks like he is on his last legs to me. Maybe Lady Gaga did that to him, but he's got that old age mouth open thing going on.

Army of Davids

The worst foreign policy we can have is our internal economic weakness.

We keep running East looking for an economic sunset in our status quo beltway centric mindset we will continue to crumble.

Qualifications on the nuts and bolts of Main Street business, start-ups and economic growth will do more to strengthen our world standing and foreign policy than anything else. Being poor and weak will continue the downward slide.

We need 4% growth....really 5%.

So far 9/9/9 is the best viable shot we have at it.

There's a reason Laffer, Kudlow and Ryan all like it.

Think Cain is unqualified? Look at his resume. He's as qualified as any of them. More than any on private sector matters.

David Gregory = Status quo beltway mindset...w/ an additional liberal edge.


fdcol63

Some interns liked it when Bill said "Who's your daddy?" during Oval Office romps.

Now, "Who's your granddaddy" is just too creepy for most.

Danube of Thought

My disgust with Obama grows stronger each day. Watching him embrace this 99% crap is just nauseating. This is a low, dishonest scumbag.

fdcol63

But is anyone really surprised that he supports the Occupy / 99% crap?

DebinNC

This is a low, dishonest scumbag.

Yep, and our betters are recommending we choose a candidate with "infastructure" over one with character.

Danube of Thought

From The Politico:

But in waging this battle, Obama is saying nasty and dangerous things. He is promoting his own principles — not just by touting their goodness, but by suggesting that Republicans hold to an offensive, even un-American, philosophy.

By painting his opposition as not just wrong but evil, Obama risks dividing the nation in a profound and unnecessary way.

MarkO

I'm inclinded to choose a candidate who will win and get His Wondefulness out of office. Cain would be fine, were he really running. He can't beat these criminals with just his fine character. Sorry to say.

NK

DOT-- several months ago I commented that Obamaniac had no shot with Indee voters so he would go full left-wing and try to cobble together enough Dem tribes to win, and use Union $$$ and urban vote scams to squeak out a win. OWS is just more proof of that. The next one will be not vetoing a Sec Counsel Resolution to recognize "Palestine" with borders TBD.

MarkO

DoT, I believe that to accomplish Obama's aims, the division is necessary, and welcome. It all depends on the number of voters.

DebinNC

Speaking of cobbling enough Dem tribal votes to win, Politico has a handy political guide to Obama's Magic Mystery Bus Tour II today-Wednesday. His one and only objective is getting enough electoral votes to win by any means necessary.

fdcol63

From Drudge:

POLL: CAIN 43% OBAMA 41%

Now, I know a lot can happen between now and Nov. 2012, and I know that Cain may wind up not being the answer to a lot of prayers for many of us, but I don't buy the argument that Cain can't win.

MarkO

"getting enough electoral votes to win by any means necessary."

Isn't that exactly what we should be doing instead of internecine bloodletting? He's focused; we're vain.

Captain Hate

Isn't that exactly what we should be doing instead of internecine bloodletting? He's focused; we're vain.

Please stop with the squaredance alarmism. You're buying into the garbage spread by both parties about the need for perpetual campaigns. Most people are too busy trying to make a living than to give into examining minutiae about candidates over a year from an election. People will vote next November on how well off they are compared to 2008 and no amount of scapegoating by El JEFe will take the focus off him.

Jim Ryan

I'm a three-time Herm donor.

1. Cain can win. That's obvious from the facts that (a.) Barry is in the toilet in his approvals and isn't climbing out anytime before the election and (b.) Cain isn't an unelectable nutjob but an accomplished executive and former KC Fed chairman with an impressive resume.

2. Cain has common sense, brains and executive talent and experience.

3. The extent of Cain's foibles and gaffes is quite small. "Right of return" is as bad as it gets.

4. Cain is quite conservative and shows no sign of poor character.

You can't say all that about any other GOP candidate.

narciso

I'm dissapointed in Cain, he didn't articulate
as well, as he did back on the 15th, when he said Obama deliberated too long on the surge,
and skimped on the troops necessary to succeed. And some of his other blank spots, but I think his heart is in the right place,

I didn't think Drezner was this clueless, back before he was at Tufts, and he hadn't been assimilated into the Soros Borg at FP.
is denial of reality, a prerequisite to be
'play the reindeer games' from that excerpt
I referenced.

Gmax

From DOT's 11:33 link, you need to blend in that Politico is Democrats for Democrats into your decoding of that piece. I think its one more piece of evidence that the Democrat Party is about to splinter into two unequal pieces, and there are some bright types who want to be able to say "I Told YOU So" when the crushing defeat is visited upon them. Zero is allowed to commit suicide, but at least some do not intend to drink the Kool Aide, no way no how.

MarkO

Right, Captain, that's why all those who win elections are now on vacation. No hurry. Ask, for example Hillary.

If you are not yet alarmed, I can only envy your confidence.

Jane

OT; I did a post about a gold star mom I met yesterday over at You TOo. Today is the 5th anniversary of her son's death. I sent her an email with the link and she replied that people rarely remember anymore.

I think that is awful. Someone needs to organize remembering our soldier's families.

MarkO

Capt'n, you're not alarmed. I admire your confidence and question the sanity of all those professionals who are actually running for office. I seem to recall that Hillary had the same view.

MarkO

Sorry about the double post, Capt'n. My connection went off and I tried to retype the orginal. You can see I didn't do much of a job. Not intending to double team your comment.

DebinNC

Added to "can't win" and "kooky", we now have Cain described as "caustic" in the NR headline regarding the weekly column he's written since 2005. Commenters interested in reading about this heretofore undiscovered facet of Herman Cain are having trouble finding any evidence of it. Too bad the press never managed to mine the last 10 yrs. of Jeremiah Wrights' Trumpet Magazine articles, arriving in the Obamas' mailbox regularly, for causticity.

Ignatz

--My disgust with Obama grows stronger each day. Watching him embrace this 99% crap is just nauseating. This is a low, dishonest scumbag.--

Yes, but I find it a wonderful strategy ......for the GOP.
He's putting OWS in quite a bind;
if they embrace him then they're shown to be the Dem hacks and shills most of them are since he is the King of TARP and Immelt-Goldman style corporatism.
If they reject him then the Dems have themselves a bit of a leftwing nutjob problem they wouldn't otherwise have had.

Either outcome is good for the 98% who are neither in the 1% of extreme wealth or the 1% of anarcho/marxist lunacy.

narciso

Oh they are going fully 'Duke and Duke' over there, send them a jar of Grey Poupon please.

Captain Hate

No problems on the double post, Mark, but there's no sense in making yourself crazy over what you don't have any control over. At some point you have to trust the country to do the right thing; I know that might seem naive considering the dumbass that's in office but I also think it's naive to not think that a significant number of people that voted for him had their eyes opened subsequently. The malaise of the country was poison for Carter in 1980 and it will be even worse for Obama.

Jim Ryan

I am not excited about Cain. Excitement has no good role in politics, but many bad roles.

Clarice

Yeah, fdcol, Here are the details:
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters shows Cain attracting 43% support, while Obama earns 41%. Given such a matchup, eight percent (8%) prefer some other candidate, and another eight percent (8%) are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Cain is tied with Romney for the lead in the race for the GOP presidential nomination. Nobody else is even close at the moment.

Janet

Jane,
You Too won't take comments....they always just disappear after hitting post.

DebinNC

Nobody else is even close at the moment

Yet, a Pew study shows Perry getting the most favorable news coverage of them all. It appears that debates, especially the blog reviews afterward, are more important than Team Perry claims.

Clarice

I think Capt's post at 11:54 is so right and so necessary to remember that every political commentator should have it stapled to his desk.

Texas Mom 2012

Agreed but we do have Memorial Day (although many do not sue this holiday to remember our dead). Unfortunately since the Oval Office changed hands we no longer have the daily count on our evening news so it seems like no one is remembering. But we here in Texas remember, not quite as many flags flying daily but many still are flying.

Texas Mom 2012

Agreed but we do have Memorial Day (although many do not use this holiday to remember our dead). Unfortunately since the Oval Office changed hands we no longer have the daily count on our evening news so it seems like no one is remembering. But we here in Texas remember, not quite as many flags flying daily but many still are flying.

Danube of Thought

The incumbent president gets 41% of the vote in a hypothetical matchup. He is in deep trouble.

maryrose

I totally agree with Capt.H.:
We are not better off than we were 3 years ago. Obama's signature in his mind Obamacare is in the process of imploding. Dems up for re-election are paranoid about having any direct association with him. Schumer felt obliged to fix his jobs bill and Reid voted against it after at first refusing to hold a vote. Obama is toast and all the OWS and lies he tells about the repubs will fall on deaf ears. Our economy is in the toilet and it is his fault for not fixing it.

Jane

Janet,

I was afraid of that. Let me see if I can find them/

Jane

FOund it Janet Thank you.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

I'm with Jim R at 11:54, but I haven't put my money where my mouth is yet. It may be that I will just have to put a bit of my meager financial resources to good use.

Ignatz

--I think Capt's post at 11:54 is so right and so necessary to remember that every political commentator should have it stapled to his desk.--

Or nailed to his forehead.

Danube of Thought

Gallup:

"PRINCETON, NJ -- Unemployment, as measured by Gallup without seasonal adjustment, is 8.3% in mid-October -- down sharply from 8.7% at the end of September and 9.2% at the end of August. A year ago, Gallup's U.S. unemployment rate stood at 10.0%. While seasonal hiring patterns may explain some of this improvement, the drop suggests the government could report an October unemployment rate of less than 9.0%."

MarkO

I have an uneasy feeling about this election. Let's fight among ourselves, just for practice.

Ignatz

DoT,
I suspect the economy is turning up slightly. I've noticed considerably more activity in housing and I think Europe will succeed in kicking the can down the road a year or two or three.
More of an impression than statistically supported at this point but I've usually regretted ignoring those impressions in the past.

Ignatz

--I have an uneasy feeling about this election. Let's fight among ourselves, just for practice.--

What is this bloodletting of which you speak, MarkO?
I see a group of folks doing the quadrennial primary rousting and yapping that happens in both parties without the incumbent and for which I can find zero correlation to losing elections.
Are they supposed to twirl batons, pledge unanimously to work for world peace and don swimsuits to get our vote?
If so somebody better take out Ron Paul quick and we should count our blessings Christie bowed out.

Danube of Thought

The Dems chewed each other up in '92 (remember Clinton and Moonbeam going at it?) and still beat an incumbent. Ditto the GOP in '80.

But I still would like to get this thing wrapped up so the money can flow to where it's gonna be needed.

NK

Ignatz-- IF the economy is upticking -- a dubious IF, it will not translate into significant job gains until Obamacare is repealed, EPA regs are stopped, Gas prices come down, and small/medium employers know where taxes are going. Gallup? -- if the unemployment RATE is going down it's because more people are leaving the labor market, not because of jobs creation. Obama's Alinsky leftism is putting him out of a job in 2012. It's not anybody else's doing.

Jane

I suspect the economy is turning up slightly.

My business booms in a downturn, then goes off the cliff when businesses go off the cliff, then gets better when things are starting to get better and gets worse when things are great (if you can follow that.)

I might as well have taken the entire summer off, business was so bad, because so many business had simply gone off the cliff.

It has marginally come back in the fall, but that could simply be because summer vacation is over. There has definitely been an uptick, but I'm not convinced the economy is anything but marginally better.

henry

I'm still seeing an uptick in small to mid manufacturing, however investment is going into productivity rather than more employment. It will take a boom to get employment growing again, and all we have so far is an uptick. I don't see Obama generating a boom, he's too busy trying to stamp out the uptick.

Captain Hate

Maybe there's a very small uptick because a lot of businesses have been sitting on a lot of cash for a long time, but I agree with NK that it's not likely to result in much hiring until ObamaCare has a stake driven through its heart and the EPA is reined in. Any drop is from people maxing out on unemployment benefits.

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