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Thomas Collins

Perhaps the NY Times' poobahs suspect the readers are becoming disillusioned with the entitlement state, and are adjusting some reporting accordingly. The article also quotes folks who favor unemployment benefits extensions, so the NY Times is hedging its bets while still appealing to its core readership.

fdcol63

When even Mr. Tingle, Chris Matthews, refers to Obama as a "clunker", you know even the most rabid liberals have begun to lose faith in their Messiah and his policies:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/10/06/matthews-compares-obama-clunker-would-you-buy-lousy-car-again-next-ye

Sandy Daze

Good Morning all.
If I do not mention it later, I hope all have a great weekend.

Take good care,
Sandy

Jim Ryan

Ext, some of the, er, "imagery" at your link has put me off my pie.

Rick Ballard

The NYT article chose two white people from Texas as exemplars on a day that will see a lackluster, at best, jobs report. I'd say they're right on message - Perry's Texas has problems.

It's odd that they don't note that the group which will be dinged the most as long term benefits expire is composed of the President's most ardent supporters. Gosh, how could they have missed that?

Janet the lightweight

from Extraneus's link -

...need to buy some of these for the topless protesters! Middle America needs to see pictures of some of the nut cases though.

Jim D

What, no Yankees thread today??

As if Sandy's glorious picture isn't enough to inspire and remind you?

DebinNC

About 20 states now offer the maximum of 99 weeks, but under Mr. Obama’s proposal, that would drop to nine states in March and three in April. That would leave most states offering about 70 weeks of benefits.

I wish they'd named the 20 states which offer the maximum, so we could check how they're faring economically and how many of them, if any, are right-to-work states.

NK

I will read the article. How did the article slip through the NYT censors?

Janet the lightweight

They don't know why they are there. The communist guy knew why HE was there....otherwise pretty vague.

Extraneus

Today's Agenda.

Friday, October 7

1:00pm General Assembly

Fri, October 7, 1pm – 3pm
Broadway and Liberty St., NYC (Liberty Square) (map)

6:00pm Open Forum: Stathis Gourgouris and Kostis Karpozilos "Uprising in Athens"

Fri, October 7, 6pm – 7pm

By Red Thing, Liberty Square (map)
Open Forum: Stathis Gourgouris and Kostis Karpozilos "Uprising in Athens".

6:00pm Information Front Desk Meeting

Fri, October 7, 6pm – 7pm
East Side Front Desk, Liberty Square (map)

DescriptionCoordination of Information Front Desk activity. We are the face of Occupy Wall St. to the general public. Currently 3 information desks operating. Please join us and help us get bigger!

7:00pm General Assembly

Fri, October 7, 7pm – 9pm
Broadway and Liberty St., NYC (Liberty Square) (map)

PD

You know, I think I agree with the emerging media theme that OWS is the left's Tea Party movement.

Tea Party: Quit taking our money and wasting it!

OWS: Pay for everything for us!

Why, they have exactly parallel goals. It's so clear now.

PD

Obama: Pass this bill now! Quit stalling!

McConnell: Okay. Let's have a vote.

Reid: The Republicans are trying to stifle debate by moving to a swift vote!


Take it up with Reid, Mr. President.

Captain Hate

I read at AoS that the employment numbers were better than expected but still not enough to move the 9.1% number (which is still vastly understated) downward. It was also reported that a large portion of the employment gains were from Verizon workers ending their strike. Does that mean they were called "unemployed" when they went on strike?

Pelosi Galore gets dottier by the day. Her praise of the OWS deadbeats makes her sound like the spouse of crazy uncle RON PAUL.

Captain Hate

PD, the disconnect between Reid and El JEFe is pretty stunning. Reid is doing his best to carry the jugeared fellow's water but the smartest orator EVARRRRRRR can't move off his script.

PD

Pelosi Galore

Oh my.

Next you'll be calling her OctoPelosi.

DebinNC

"Nonfarm payrolls rose by 103,000 in September as the private sector added 137,000 jobs, the Labor Department said Friday in its survey of employers. Payrolls data for the previous two months were revised up by a total 99,000 to show 57,000 jobs were added in August and 127,000 jobs in July... However, the September payrolls data was boosted by a one-time event: 45,000 telecom workers returning to their jobs following a strike at Verizon Communications Inc. in August." [WSJ]

PD

can't move off his script.

Might be deliberate. He accuses the Republications of obstructionism. Reid accuses them of squelching meaningful debate. The media gets to pick whichever charge du jour they want to level at the R's. It's all good!

PD

Rush picked up something interesting the other day. He was watching a report on TV that showed a map plotting out all the places where OWS protests were beginning, to show the progress of this "grassroots" movement. Did they ever do this with the Tea Party?

You can almost see them wetting themselves with excitement.

DebinNC

I disagree with TM that the NYT article "denounced" unemployment benefits. Other than the guy quoted right at the beginning, the article boiled down to: economists don't think benefits should be cut now, the benefits are stimulative, unemployed Republicans are now Democrats, and unnamed Repub congresscritters claim the unemployed are lazy.

Danube of Thought

Minus 23 at Raz today.

Janet the lightweight

You can almost see them wetting themselves with excitement.

So true, PD. Next there will be an altercation & someone will get hurt or killed & we'll have to listen to some d*#n song about it for the rest of our lives.

PD

US Stock Futures Jump on Bullish Jobs Report

Interesting how we have gotten to the point where a report that unemployment remains at 9.1% is "bullish."

DebinNC

Mother Jones OWS interactive protest map for anyone who wants to see what's happening in your area.

Army of Davids

incompetent... condescending.... weak and getting weaker

take your pick.

InTrades at 47.5 for re-election

Danube of Thought

I will keep my eyes peeled for the "official" demands.

pagar

"Interesting how we have gotten to the point where a report that unemployment remains at 9.1% is "bullish."

Especially when 45,000 of the so called increase is strikers going back to work.

rse

LUN is a fun take on OWS .

For me this is a bit like the London riots. It is the result of calculated planning involving people pushing for control without any appreciation that unintended consequences exist.

Actually I am finding the intended consequences pretty nightmarish. We have talked about Second Nature. I just watched a college prof of mine who went on to be a college president later elsewhere give a spiel that suggests that these figures would have done well to read up on the Delphi Technique and the Tavistock method. He was a clear example of the wide-eyed believer. Too much koolaid going around at those meetings plus the level of flattery and play to egos. And then they are let lose to guide universities. Yikes!

Jim Ryan

to some d*#n song

Sure. Our grandkids will sing it in kindergarten.

By The Wiles of the Machine

Tommy dropped his bong
And fell from the blow
laying [sic] in a pool of blood
In a pool of blood

It was all a misunderstanding
Between brothers and sisters
of OWS
Brought to blows by the wiles of the machine

By the wiles of the machine
By the wiles of the machine
By the wiles of the machine
Yeah, by the wiles of the machine

Help Barack Obama and Nancy Pelosi
Fight the good fight
Against the suits on Wall Street
And their Republican minions in DC

Remember Tommy Smith
Who fell that sad sad day
That sad sad sad day of heroes
He fell that day

By the wiles of the machine
By the wiles of the machine
By the wiles of the machine
Yeah, by the wiles of the machine

Sue

Hey, dear leader, one thing I will be able to say this year...the Yankees will not beat the Rangers to go to the WS.

Now...my nightmare begins. Verlander.

And oh yeah, it hasn't rained in Texas in the last 25 years and they are calling for rain tomorrow night.

Go Rangers!

jimmyk

Interesting how we have gotten to the point where a report that unemployment remains at 9.1% is "bullish."

It's the "soft bigotry of low expectations." The markets expected even worse.

If you take the 45,000 returning Verizon workers out and add them to August, the last three months are 127K in July, 102K in August, 58K in September. Not exactly trending in the right direction. You need 125K or more just to keep up with population growth, never mind getting out of the hole we're in.

squaredance

You people can make light of the OWS "movement" but it is the last push of the Marxist coup. It may well work--in fact it s working so far.

It is just chilling to see this. One of the two primary parties engaging in this; indeed, creating it.

They thus far are winning. You here seem not to see this. TM the other day said that this was great for conservatives. How foolish, naive and myopic that is. "Reject them like they rejected Mondale?" What planet are you on? Do you think you are even remotely the same political world as that time? You have open Marxists in the WH. Mondale was ever openly this far Left. This may well get Obama reelected. As usual, JOMers do not understand what they are up against. These are hard core Marxist-Leninists who have been waiting on the hustings for decades to get America to this point.

The International Left has been preparing this for quite some time. Watch what happens by the end of OCT.

I, for one, believe that the 2008 problems were intentionally triggered for an Oct. Surprise. More is to come and it will be much worse. You are going to be take completely by surprise. You are going to have intentionally provoked system failures and at an international level. We are close to an Oct. Revolution. if not this year then next. The Left will not give up its power.

The Tea Party is way over its head here. The fact that the Democrats can blame this on "the Banksters' when really those Banksters are just their financial arm proves it. The Tea Party needs to get out and say the truth. OWS? They should occupy the DNC, but they will never see this. Useful idiots duped by professorial Marxists.

The Left is manufacturing an answer to the TP right before your very eyes and in a matter of weeks, not years, and they will have BILLIONS behind them. Do not think that it is just a passing thing, or t s just some spontaneous fad of young Manhattan hipsters.

I knew that they would try this but did not see it would be so soon and s well organized. Watch carefully. It is the final attempt to bring us down. It is being brilliantly executed. It shows every sign of working. That disillusioned Democrat you were counting on next year. Forget that. Every Leftist Demagogue in the country will be out wiping them out to the polls.

That Palin does not run should tell you everything you need to know. We have had the greatest articulation of the failure and dangers of Socialism that this country could ever need and yet we have this. Winning? Watch it slip from our hands.


I predict a Obama Victory. If that happens it will be ultimate proof that we are a nation of idiots and cowards.

squaredance

You people can make light of the OWS "movement" but it is the last push of the Marxist coup. It may well work--in fact it s working so far.

It is just chilling to see this. One of the two primary parties engaging in this; indeed, creating it.

They thus far are winning. You here seem not to see this. TM the other day said that this was great for conservatives. How foolish, naive and myopic that is. "Reject them like they rejected Mondale?" What planet are you on? Do you think you are even remotely the same political world as that time? You have open Marxists in the WH. Mondale was ever openly this far Left. This may well get Obama reelected. As usual, JOMers do not understand what they are up against. These are hard core Marxist-Leninists who have been waiting on the hustings for decades to get America to this point.

The International Left has been preparing this for quite some time. Watch what happens by the end of OCT.

I, for one, believe that the 2008 problems were intentionally triggered for an Oct. Surprise. More is to come and it will be much worse. You are going to be take completely by surprise. You are going to have intentionally provoked system failures and at an international level. We are close to an Oct. Revolution. if not this year then next. The Left will not give up its power.

The Tea Party is way over its head here. The fact that the Democrats can blame this on "the Banksters' when really those Banksters are just their financial arm proves it. The Tea Party needs to get out and say the truth. OWS? They should occupy the DNC, but they will never see this. Useful idiots duped by professorial Marxists.

The Left is manufacturing an answer to the TP right before your very eyes and in a matter of weeks, not years, and they will have BILLIONS behind them. Do not think that it is just a passing thing, or t s just some spontaneous fad of young Manhattan hipsters.

I knew that they would try this but did not see it would be so soon and s well organized. Watch carefully. It is the final attempt to bring us down. It is being brilliantly executed. It shows every sign of working. That disillusioned Democrat you were counting on next year. Forget that. Every Leftist Demagogue in the country will be out wiping them out to the polls.

That Palin does not run should tell you everything you need to know. We have had the greatest articulation of the failure and dangers of Socialism that this country could ever need and yet we have this. Winning? Watch it slip from our hands.


I predict a Obama Victory. If that happens it will be ultimate proof that we are a nation of idiots and cowards.

Danube of Thought

Just like the Tea Party:

"NEW ORLEANS – The “Occupy Wall Street” movement came to the Big Easy on Thursday, but its expression of varied and often clashing political messages quickly turned difficult.

"As about 500 New Orleans protesters marched, complete with a small brass band, from Orleans Parish Prison to the Federal Reserve and then inside City Hall, one activist told The Daily Caller she heard shouts of 'Kill the cops!''"

Ranger

OT, but I seem to remember that when Gaddafi's forces were doing this in Misrata, it was a crime agains humanity. Now that its "the good guys" its all cool:

Libya NTC forces take most of Gaddafi stronghold Sirte

PD

I've slowly been making my way through Warren Buffett's letters to Berkshire shareholders. Yesterday, I came across this in the 1996 letter:

Taxes

In 1961, President Kennedy said that we should ask not what our country can do for us, but rather ask what we can do for our country. Last year we decided to give his suggestion a try - and who says it never hurts to ask? We were told to mail $860 million in income taxes to the U.S. Treasury.

Here's a little perspective on that figure: If an equal amount had been paid by only 2,000 other taxpayers, the government would have had a balanced budget in 1996 without needing a dime of taxes - income or Social Security or what have you - from any other American. Berkshire shareholders can truly say, "I gave at the office."

Charlie and I believe that large tax payments by Berkshire are entirely fitting. The contribution we thus make to society's well-being is at most only proportional to its contribution to ours. Berkshire prospers in America as it would nowhere else.

Not sure how that quite fits with the recent reports that the IRS has been trying to get Berkshire to pay its full tax bill for several years.

ASR

OWS, occupy wall street or
OWS, Obama's welfare state?
Either works.

Extraneus

Good discussion in the comments at occupywallst.org.

Here's a sample:

FreeMarkets -3 points 13 hours ago

I own a business, and would do my very best not to let someone with your narcissism and entitlement attitude ever get hired in the first place.
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leftistperson 3 points 12 hours ago

This is why the unions are so needed: because of bosses like you, who think that are doing a "great favor" for "giving a job" to someone. People are not machines, people are not a tool that you can use the way you want, to extract your profit. This is why workers organize collectively in the unions: to make their voices prevail over bosses like you.


mathyou -3 points 11 hours ago

Bosses like that are not the problem. People like you are. People who think that they deserve a job. The whole American Dream is that this is the land of OPPORTUNITY, not hand outs. If you want a job, you have to earn a job. You have to have a skill, or have to be willing to do something others won't. Otherwise, you're pointless. This is the system that WE created. Complaining about the problem will not solve anything. Asking for a handout will not get you anything. You have to earn everything in this world, and if you can't do that, then you don't need to make it - others who can, will.

leftistperson 1 points 11 hours ago

And if I don't fit the needs of the bosses, what should I do? If I don't meet the requirements of the bosses to "give me a job", so what? I kill myself? Should I commit suicide? [sarcasm]Of course... We live in a world of so much scarcity... This world is so poor... There is not enough wealth in this world to permit everyone to have a decent life... If I'm not good enough to find a boss who could purchase my labor capacity, I should let myself die from starvation.[/sarcasm]


workhardgetpaid -1 points 11 hours ago

leftistperson- you are correct, if you dont work hard enough to have a marketable capacity, your a lazy worker who deserves to have no job. Why should you get paid if you do not work towards a skill, or just plain work hard? why do you think other people should give you a job if you dont merit one? If your not handicapped or somehow incapacitated, and you won't work, you deserve to starve.
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SwissMiss (Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI) 1 points 9 minutes ago

I have education, a lot of experience, skills, talent, knowledge, etc. in my career..... yet I went 5 years without a permanent job in my field, because of how Bush 43 killed the economy. I looked and looked for a job in my field and even in non-related fields and couldn't find one. I even was open to doing something I didn't like just to pay my bills. Does that mean I'm lazy???



leftistperson 1 points 11 hours ago

Oh, really? So, I think that the lazy parasites who "own a business" (often inherited from their parents) and put a manager to administer it, and live the "good life", going to parties every night, sleeping until noon, traveling around the world, appreciating good wines, while their employees work like slaves to give them their profits, should be expropriated and put to starve to death. We're even?

capreprep 1 points 10 hours ago

leftistperson - you are misguided and a crook and have not thought out your ideas to their logical ending. You advocate totalitarianism - the imposition of someone's will over another. That story has played out throughout history and always ends in chaos and the collapse of that society. This is a capitalist republic (if we can keep it) - the store owner you say owes you a job has capital and should be able to deploy it as they see it. You also have capital - that capital is the value of your labor, if they don't value it, they don't have to buy it.

Unions are nothing but the assembly of capital for additional negotiation leverage. If all the workers in an area gather together to negotiate with a factory owner, they have much more power over the negotiations than if each does it. This concept is fine and I applaud workers for organizing - unfortunately the leverage of labor has significantly decreased over time due to globalization - this is not the fault of the "capitalists" - it's called reality. The capitalist didn't kill your job - he found someone willing to do it for much cheaper - why does that person in India or Africa not have the right to that job? They're selling their capital just as you are - they're just offering it for a better price.

In certain fields, owners are desperate to find employees - the value of those employees labor as capital is worth a lot and so they are able to negotiate at much more favorable terms. If your labor isn't worth anything - it doesn't entitle you to the output of those who have invested in improving the value of their own labor.

Throughout time immemorial - people like you, your children, your family and loved ones would have starved. Thank your ancestors for moving you to America - a land so plentiful because capital is free that the safety net is able (and willing) to keep you alive.


SwissMiss (Ann Arbor Charter Township, MI) 1 points 11 minutes ago

You're an idiot. No one said anything about anyone owing anyone else a job. Who will do the work for those who own companies? They can't do it all themselves, and therefore they need to hire people. It's a two-way street.... not a one-way street like you seem to think it is. Who will work in all the corporations that are amassing billions upon billions of dollars???


Etc.

(At least it's not moderated, like most lefty blogs.)

Jim Ryan

The Tea Party is way over its head here. The fact that the Democrats can blame this on "the Banksters' when really those Banksters are just their financial arm proves it. The Tea Party needs to get out and say the truth. OWS? They should occupy the DNC, but they will never see this. Useful idiots duped by professorial Marxists.

Yes! Bingo!

Watch carefully. It is the final attempt to bring us down. It is being brilliantly executed.

Um, no. Nancy Pelosi, a kid with a pierced face, and a mentally ill topless lady? No.

Army of Davids

Is the "back of the bus" president the source of the racist smear campaigns?

I think he is.

I'm supporting Herman Cain because of the content of his character and not the color of his skin.

Appalled

squaredance:

I predict a Obama Victory. If that happens it will be ultimate proof that we are a nation of idiots and cowards

I hate to say this, but you actually seem to look forward to this.

Extraneus

Heh jimmyk.

Army of Davids

We've had the largest Keynesian spending spree in the history of the world over the last 3 years.

How's that Hopey, Changey thing going?

Step one needs to be an all out assault on the stupidity that is ObamaCare.

Janet the lightweight

OWS, Obama's welfare state?

That's good, ASR!

Ignatz

This article at Real Clear Markets is to me the clearest explanation of what has gone wrong with the financial system especially in the last 20 years, that I've read.
I don't think it's the whole story and I think he lets the Fed off too easy but his description of just how ultimately anti-capitalist the system has been allowed to evolve seems correct to me.
He echoes John Tamny's repeated, cogent descriptions of the growing uselessness of large banks to the free market and the government's both passive and active role in their mutation into parasites as much or more than facilitators.
Well worth reading and any reviews by the econ-brains here would be appreciated.

BR

Fast and Furious: earlier beginning date than Sept. '09?

March 24, 2009 - Deputy Atty General Ogden video uses the same words as Holder in Cuernavaca, April 2, 2009.

Ogden:

"Attorney General Holder and I are taking several new and aggressive steps as part of the administration's comprehensive plan. Those steps include the following: ....
DOJ's bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives ... using $10 million in Recovery Act funds and redeploying 100 personnel to the southwest border in the next 45 days to fortify its Project Gunrunner, which is aimed at disrupting arms trafficking between the United States and Mexico."
_________

Holder in Cuernavaca, 9 days later:

"Last week, our administration launched a major new effort to break the backs of the cartels. My department is committing 100 new ATF personnel to the Southwest border in the next 100 days to supplement our ongoing Project Gunrunner,...."

Ranger

which is aimed at disrupting arms trafficking between the United States and Mexico.

Which is hard to do when you order all those new agents to allow the guns to go across the border.

BR

Another amazing thing - it seems after Agent Brian Terry's murder with a Fast and Furious gun and the F&F was abruptly halted, the DOJ then scrambled to get some indictments, but it seems they indicted gun shop owners who were given earlier authorizations under Wide Receiver. (And Wide Receiver was not a gun smuggling activity into Mexico; those guns were correctly tracked and seized before crossing, as far as I can see.)

I haven't had time to check all the known indictment names, but, hmmm??? Are there any indictments on Fast and Furious at all? LUN

centralcal

ASR: Obama's Welfare State

Excellent! That is what every person on the right should refer to it from here on out.

Chubby

squaredance,

what do you see as a solution, or do you believe it is a hopeless case?

PD

He sees it as an opportunity to gratify the Cassandra complex.

Nonetheless, I appreciate his posts.

Charlie (Colorado)

Does that mean they were called "unemployed" when they went on strike?

Yup. It's not precisely legal unless you have a Democrat administration, but they claimed unemployment.

rse

squaredance-

Do not come here and impugn our ability to grasp what is happening. You do not have a monopoly on insights and we do not have a responsibility to share every aspect of what we grasp to obtain your blessing at our acuity.

Such condescension completely undermines whatever legitimate points you make. Get a sense of humor. You would be far more menacing then.

Charlie (Colorado)

Not sure how that quite fits with the recent reports that the IRS has been trying to get Berkshire to pay its full tax bill for several years.

It means that the IRS thought they should pay something like $900 million.

Charlie (Colorado)

Watch carefully. It is the final attempt to bring us down.

No, it isn't.

It is being brilliantly executed.

No, it isn't.

BR

It's really bad diplomacy of the Obama Administration to bring up Wide Receiver/Blame Bush as an excuse for Fast and Furious. It's infuriating any good people in the Mexican government and nation with false data.

Keep them apart. Wide Receiver is not Fast and Furious.

Danube of Thought

Not sure how that quite fits with the recent reports that the IRS has been trying to get Berkshire to pay its full tax bill for several years.

That letter is from 1996. It's my understanding that Berkshire's current dispute dates from around 2002, but I am unsure of the amount in dispute.

Danube of Thought

This is from 9/1/2011:

Billionaire investor Warren Buffett triggered a major debate over taxes recently when he wrote in The New York Times that he should be paying more to the federal government. He called on Washington lawmakers to up tax rates on the rich.

But it turns out that Buffett’s own company, Berkshire Hathaway, has had every opportunity to pay more taxes over the last decade. Instead, it’s been mired in a protracted legal battle with the Internal Revenue Service over a bill that one analyst estimates may total $1 billion.

Don't know who that "one source" might be.

Neo

In an obvious effort to protect President Barack Obama, a group of congressional Democrats has introduced legislation to create an official process that will allow the commander-in-chief to keep presidential records secret after he leaves office.

Ironically, Obama revoked a similar George W. Bush order in one of his first official acts as president. In 2001 Bush penned an executive order severely limiting public access to his presidential records. Shortly after swearing in, Obama killed it as part of his much-ballyhooed commitment to government transparency. At the time, the new president claimed that he was giving the American people greater access to “historic documents.”

Now why would the "most transparent administration evah" want to seal up it's records ?

The Imp

I think there's something wrong with the IRS's computers,
all the 0's turn into 1's and the 1's turn into 0's and sometimes some of the 1's remain 1's and every time they open up a file, it vanishes off the page and the same with the backups, and that's why the Fed just keeps on printing money for Obama and the Dems to spend like there's no tomorrow and the IRS has gone into an alternate universe where they only go after Zero-lovers and The One-lovers and the rest of us are sailing forward into a new fun universe :)

Chubby

((Get a sense of humor. You would be far more menacing then.))

yes, I believe Alinsky talks about ridicule being the most powerful weapon.

the majority of the protestors are useful idiots who have no real skin the in the game. They can run home to a soft bed and a mom-cooked meal. No fire in the belly oppression other than they can't immediately have Wall Street bank accounts. The Tea Party has skin the game, families to feed, businesses to run. With that skin in the game, comes the fire in the belly.

Captain Hate

squaredance is no better than the witless trolls. I agree with everything rse wrote.

Benjamin Franklin

"It's really bad diplomacy of the Obama Administration to bring up Wide Receiver/Blame Bush as an excuse for Fast and Furious."

I wonder. Did these gun dealers spring up in the last 3 years?


http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/26/us/26borders.html?pagewanted=all


"What is more, the sheer volume of licensed dealers — more than 6,600 along the border alone, many of them operating out of their houses — makes policing them a tall order. Currently the A.T.F. has about 200 agents assigned to the task."

200 agents......Isn't that the Conservative Dream? [ Little Gubmint]

Rick Ballard

I wonder if the fire in his hair keeps him warm all day?

Benjamin Franklin

squaredance;

You have stepped in the poo, now. You are speaking sense, but that is not welcome here. Those who get out of line, but value the social benefits of posting here, are quickly rebuked under threat of Excommunication. You made a couple of inaccurate, or pot/kettle
statements. (OWS has Marxists) and while that may be true, they are not the preponderance, any more than Birchers or White Supremacists dominate the Tea Party. Carry on, that is, if you don't mind being persona-non-grata.

RichatUF

I find squaredance's characterization of JOMers offensive and his Cassandra act annoying. There are those here that understand quite well the situation we find ourselves in as a nation and were on the front lines staring down Communist terror. The OWS is the left-over-left's ghost dance. They are dilatantes, victims of their own stupidity, and disillusioned that their dream world of being able "to do one thing today and another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticise after dinner, just as I have a mind, without ever becoming hunter, fisherman, herdsman or critic" has crashed on the rocks of the Obama economy and reality. I understand quite well that the OWS are using the delphi method and that they are are tools of Obama's very own Organizing for America. Their protest will be as successful as the ghost dance and Madison (or since they seem to have taken a shine to Tahiri Square, as successful as the "democracy protests" in Egypt, as the military and mosque have crushed the protests, the protest "leaders" have fled, and the two poles of Egyptian society are carving out their territory without regard to the protestors demands).

Ignatz

BF, sucking the kneecaps, to coin a phrase, of big government at every opportunity.
Barry and Holder give guns to drug cartels which are used to kill hundreds of people and then Holder lies under oath about it; why let's discuss how the agency which perpetrated this insane propaganda effort should be way bigger cause it's all those little gun dealers who are the problem.

Ignatz

Nice first hand report at Amspec of just how stupid, whacky and yeah Marxist the preponderance of the OWS crowd is.

jimmyk

It's not precisely legal unless you have a Democrat administration, but they claimed unemployment.

Whether they can claim unemployment benefits is a state-by-state thing, but usually not:

http://public.findlaw.com/abaflg/flg-12-5b-6.html

That has nothing to do with whether they are "unemployed" according to the BLS:

Receiving benefits from the Unemployment Insurance (UI) program has no bearing on whether a person is classified as unemployed.

http://stats.bls.gov/cps/lfcharacteristics.htm#unemp

I don't think people on strike are counted as unemployed, but I'm not sure about that.

Payrolls are another story: Workers on strike are off the payroll, so they are not counted in the "payroll employment" figures that give the monthly increase/decrease in "number of jobs," and which are based on a completely separate survey from the one that provides the unemployment rate.

Captain Hate

Why is the president of Mexico not speaking out against F&F causing deaths in his country? He didn't seem to shirk for hectoring the country about our immigration policies, which are at least an indirect indictment of the horrible job he's doing in providing for his citizens.

jimmyk

The only significance of OWS is the fact that they get any media coverage whatsoever. A few hundred misfits shouting incoherent slogans? The fact that we even know about them is only a testament to the complete ethical bankruptcy of the MSM.

Jane

I've heard for months that the WH has been planning riots and they will eventually morph into race riots. The part I don't get is how that will get Obama re-elected.

Benjamin Franklin

"(or since they seem to have taken a shine to Tahiri Square, as successful as the "democracy protests" in Egypt, as the military and mosque have crushed the protests, the protest "leaders" have fled, and the two poles of Egyptian society are carving out their territory without regard to the protestors demands). "


Remember the 'nascent democracy', Iraq? How far has it come in 8 years? I think Egypt's elections are coming a little quicker.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/03/world/middleeast/military-gives-ground-on-politics-in-egypt.html?ref=egypt

CAIRO — Egypt’s interim military rulers have apparently agreed to allow foreign election observers and to let political parties take a greater role in creating a permanent government.

The concessions come as the military rulers seek to shore up public support, amid mounting criticism that their management of the transition has been opaque and inconsistent.

Top military officers signed the agreement over the weekend with leaders of about a dozen political parties, including at least two Islamist groups — one founded by the Muslim Brotherhood and another by Muslim traditionalists known as Salafis.

Among other things, the agreement sets out a transition timetable that could put off the election of the next Egyptian president until 2013 or later.

Last week, the military said elections for a new Parliament would be held in stages beginning in late November and ending in early 2012.

BR

9/28/11 Mexican Attorney General: "Obama more involved in Fast & Furious than admitted!"

Atty General Marisela Morales

RichatUF

CH-

He's hectored us about our gun laws as well.

His speech to the US Congress: “I fully respect — let me be clear on this. I fully respect – I admire the American Constitution. And I understand that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to guarantee good American citizens the ability to defend themselves and their nation,” he said. “But believe me, many of these guns are not going to honest American hands. Instead, thousands are ending up in the hands of criminals.”

LA Times editorial from 2009, which quotes the Mexican president: "it is necessary to reduce the sale of weapons, particularly of high-power weapons, in the United States."

Benjamin Franklin

I guess this bears repeating...

"What is more, the sheer volume of licensed dealers — more than 6,600 along the border alone, many of them operating out of their houses — makes policing them a tall order. Currently the A.T.F. has about 200 agents assigned to the task."

Can you do the math? BTW, the article is February , 2009.
But don't let the facts skew your ideology. That would truly be criminal.

BR

10/6/11 - Mexico: News of another U.S. gun-tracking program stirs criticism

"REPORTING FROM MEXICO CITY -- Mexican politicians and pundits reacted with anger to revelations this week that U.S. agents allowed guns to be smuggled into Mexico under a secret weapons-tracking program that preceded the current focus of controversy, called Operation Fast and Furious."

This is what I mean - stirred up over false data. Wide Receiver is not Fast and Furious.

Thomas Collins

I am going to have to defend squaredance (not that squaredance would think he or she needs defense from me). I think squaredance uses insulting language because he or she thinks we need to be awakened. I'll leave aside whether that technique is effective, and focus on the substance of what squaredance is saying. Obama is clearly of the leftist school, and has brought us closer to being a leftist state than many would have thought possible in 2007 (in fact, my memory is that Obama was a decided underdog in 2007). OWS both stokes up the base and could create the type of disorder that squaredance is, I think quite reasonably, assserting is part of the Marxist strategy. We already have had a supposedly mainstream Dem governor talk about cancelling Congressional elections. A former Obama budget official has written on the supposed deficiencies of our system to deal with current issues. Friedman the NY Times columnist has written approvingly of Chinese style governance practice. They are not the only useful stooges helping to set the stage to what squaredance is asserting will be the leftist strategy in 2012. Will it work? I have more confidence in the attentive publics of the US to recognize and overcome the leftist strategy than squaredance does. However, although I don't like in effect being called a dunce by squaredance, I can't say that squaredance is being unreasonable. CH and rse, you both in various therads have pointed to the mindset of many of our supposed elites that is a mindset in keeping with the manipulations squaredance is writing about. In my view, squaredance's ratio of substance to insults has been at least 5-1. I'd prefer it be 99-1, but I nonetheless think squaredance brings a useful slap in the face with a cold towel to my lighthearted tweaking of the OWS crowd.

Benjamin Franklin

I guess the gun-dealers are supply-siders. There's nothing wrong about wanting to run a business. Their business is booming.

RichatUF

Dana, maybe you should have read the article. Elections in late 2012 and 2013. Wow, I'm sure the Twitter mob can't believe the deal they are getting. Iraq has had 2 free elections, with all the accouterments of foreign observers and participation of the dispora. The military dictatorship in Egypt has plenty of time to buy off, or otherwise silence, the important factions (the Tahiri Twitter mob not being one of them).

BR

Deleting the ATF at this time is not the answer. Think of the chaos if ethical, productive, ongoing projects are suddenly dismantled, not properly turned over, etc. Typical of Obama and Dems in general to destroy working installations. And for what purpose? To save Holder and Obama from indictments? The good guys and gals in the ATF should be up in arms.

Thomas Collins

Just in time for this thread, a book on postmodernism and the postmodern project (see LUN). Anybody up to reading and reporting on it (I'd take one for the team, but I am currently enmeshed in plowing through Catherine Zuckert's 800 plus page commentary on Plato's dialogues for the leisure reading component of my life).

Benjamin Franklin

"The good guys and gals in the ATF should be up in arms."

Yup, all 200 of 'em.

Sandy Daze

dear Jane,

In the fervid, paranoid deep, dark corners of my mind, I imagine a scenario wherein general civil society breaks down into continual riots across the land, leading Voldemort to declare Martial Law, and indefinitely postponing elections, thereby retaining power indefinitely.

Voldemort's international heroes have been Chavez, Castro and in one of the earliest forays into Foreign Affairs, was the backing of Zelaya over the Constitutional order in Honduras.

He is a TRAITOR and a liar. Joe Wilson was right. What is it in "fundamentally transform" that we refuse to believe??

Have we not heard him lament how much easier ruling America if he did not have to have Congress vote on his decisions?

Have we not recently heard NC Gov Perdue call for the suspension of Congressional elections ?

Didn't former Voldemort OMB, Peter Orzag recently say that America needed to be less democratic?

Many of us here took a durable oath to:

". . .support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;"

How will we respond if elections are suspended, particularly in light of the next line in that oath:
". . .and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States. . ."


I agree with squaredance in that I think many of us (me included) refuse to believe the reality in front of our faces. I cannot even believe that I seriously write this. . . and yet, as the saying goes:
Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get me.

Simply, I am scared for America's future. Every time I think Voldemort and his minions cannot be more evil, something new emerges.

If Fast and Furious, the use of taxpayer dollars to purchase and give weapons to Mexican guerrillas so that they can kill not just 200+ Mexicans but also Americans in an effort to subvert the Second Amendment (not to mention deny "Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness" to Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry ) does not worry the carp out of you, nothing will.

THEY ARE ALL TRAITORS TO THE REPUBLIC.

Take good care,
Sandy

Sandy Daze

TC @ 1214. Just so.

Benjamin Franklin


"Every time I think Voldemort and his minions cannot be more evil, something new emerges.


THEY ARE ALL TRAITORS TO THE REPUBLIC.

Take good care,
Sandy"

BEWARE THE SITH !!!! lol

Ignatz

You're casting a lot of aspersions on gun dealers Cleo.
Do you have some evidence or statistics that gun dealers are the problem besides what have now been exposed as WH and DOJ lies backed by a murderous, intentional supplying of weapons to drug cartels by DOJ and BATF that involved the coerced violation of law that the gun dealers involved objected to?
Have you once made a clear statement of condemnation of Fast and Furious or are you just a complete big government whore?

Rick Ballard

"It's the "soft bigotry of low expectations." The markets expected even worse."

Precisely.

"You need 125K or more just to keep up with population growth, never mind getting out of the hole we're in."

Jimmy - The BLS puts it at 100K per their 2008 ten year projections. The cited table also demonstrates the utter futility of the OWS farce. Note the "growth" of the 16-24 cohort. It's actually shrinking by .4% per year while the 55+ bracket is growing by 3.6% per year.

2008 was actually the high water mark for the ignorant cohort until a little beyond 2020. OWS will fail partly due to that factor but mostly because the cohort has turned away from BOzo and the DC clown show.

Ignatz

--Yup, all 200 of 'em.--

And I might add that every state that I know of has an active state level inspection program of gun dealers as well.

Ranger

Jay Cost has a blog post up that is right on the mark:

Morning Jay: Wall Street Protest a Sign of Things to Come?

A key point:

If the Republicans inherit the White House amid continued economic weakness, they’ll be lucky if the left gives them the nine months they gifted Nixon. The better bet is that we’ll hear a cacophony of “Romney’s recession” (or some appropriate alliteration should Perry win) from the liberals at the first hint of bad economic news in 2013. The mainstream media won’t be very far behind. All in all, it could be worse than it was for Nixon in the late 1960s. And to put the idea of “worse than Nixon” into perspective, it’s worth remembering what Charles Colson once said about being at the White House in the 1960s – “like living in a bunker.”

We all need to be ready. It will be WI all across the country.

Janet the lightweight

TC @ 1214. Just so.

Yeah, I agree.

Ranger

Well, OWS is having an impact... Both Gallup and Ras have Obama at -15 on 3 day rolling approval today.

PD

It means that the IRS thought they should pay something like $900 million.

Har.

What I thought was interesting about it was the attitude of being all in favor of paying a lot of tax, which -- to the extent the reports are accurate -- contrasts with the difficulty the IRS has in extracting the payments.

Captain Hate

CH and rse, you both in various therads have pointed to the mindset of many of our supposed elites that is a mindset in keeping with the manipulations squaredance is writing about.

Troo dat; I also get taken to task occasionally for being too strident in my RINO hunting. squaredance is e to the x of my stridency.

Ranger

The wages of OWS...

Gallup 10/4-10/6 1500 A

Approve 38

Disaprove 53

Total -15

Rasmussen Reports 10/4-10/6 1500 LV

Approve 42

Disaprove 57

Total -15

Thomas Collins

OWS is simply a part of the plan. OWS alone won't rescue the leftists and, as I mentioned above, I ultimately think these strategies won't save Obama. However, don't underestimate the Axelplouffe crowd. They sliced and diced Hillary, and they are now trying to slice and dice their way to another term.

rse

tc-

Have already read it and it is quite good.

Easier than reading that though, but more time consuming, is listening to his entire Philosophy of Education course which he downloaded to youtube. You can pick and choose the lectures that interest you.

I will share one tidbit that stuck in my brain from months ago. He quotes Jacques Derrida as saying all his language theories and attempts to inject vagueness into texts stemmed from his desire to advance the Marxist cause.

Well, at least we destroyed our English departments for a good cause.

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