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November 13, 2011

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rse

TC's link is wonderful. I had been thinking about the legal profession in particular because so much money has been made over the last 20 years there essentially playing midwife to the regulatory state. Now that state is having it's predictable economic effect and the lawyers do not seem to get their own role in destroying the legal business.

Why can't you just litigate your way to prosperity?

What's wrong with creating education that turns us into a status society rather than a merit society?

It sent shivers down my spine this morning to read that Egypt had a huge university complex that was providing paper credentials and unfulfillable dreams to a whole generation looking for a place to aim their bitterness. I think when everything is tallied we will discover that the HOPE scholarship hurt Ga economically as the complex grew to grab every bit of available revenue. 35 institutions and all but 4 are open enrollment. The primary beneficiaries are the employed admins. Living off the public dollar and pushing policies that make it that much harder for the next dollar in prosperity to be generated for the govt to confiscate to feed itself or give to its cronies.

JM Hanes

This New York Times story on the Super Committee negotiations helped crystalize the fundamental problem for Republicans -- one that CBO estimates make clear time and time again. There is simply no algorithm for estimating the "multiplier effect" of cutting taxes on the economic growth which ultimately produces more, not less, revenue. Republicans make that claim, but it's a complex equation that can be spun a lot of different ways. Ditto for estimating the reductive effect of raising taxes as tax payers adjust their activities in response.

Absent any established standard for making those calculations, it's logical to limit the CBO to extrapolating from existing conditions, but it puts Republicans behind a permanent 8-ball. Reducing taxes by X amount always equals reducing revenue by X amount, and ditto in reverse for raising them. Democrats couldn't ask for an easier proposition to sell, and Republicans have never come up with a counterargument that makes sense to the general working public, not just investors & job creators.

Benjamin Franklin

That talking point is passe'. 'Whiskers' is the name of the Republican Mascot who gets around in it's tiny little wheelchair mewing; "lower taxes"

Clarice

jmh,, the weekly Standard has an article saying the R's are losing the Reagan Dem voters (hat is white working class) and Romney isn't connecting with this vital tranche.

Benjamin Franklin

Pretty soon I'll have you all as well trained as Charlie (Colorado).

I love manipulating you low information morons into defending me shitting on your dinner table.

Takes away the sting of the death of my imaginary son.

And fuck the jews!

Benjamin Franklin

Self-awareness at the Standard. It's miraculous...

Thomas Collins

Re Clarice's 12:32 PM post: see LUN for the article. The Dems, by their vicious attacks and with GOP help, derailed the 2011 candidacy of the GOper best able to bridge the gap between white working class Dems and the GOP base, namely, Sarah Palin. If it comes down to Cuyahoga County working class whites, and the well coiffed, well dressed Mitt is the nominee, count on four more years of Obama.

Thomas Collins

By the way, I think Romney's Bain Capital experience can be demagogued by Axelplouffe to better effect for the Dems than Gingrich's problems controlling his johnson.

JM Hanes

To Whom It May Concern:

"Fuck the Jews"

I don't care who is posting these comments, they are reprehensible. It's doubly shameful if they are coming from a sockpuppet, IMO, and whoever is doing it deserves to be outed.

Janet

Ya know...what ever happens to most of the corruption stuff? Here is an article on the Murtha investigation. Moran was all involved with that too...although the WaPo usually left his name out...using "& others" instead.

It is not enough to uncover all the corruption. Something needs to be done. The MFM just goes silent sometimes & hopes the revelations just blow over. What has happened with Pigford?

Even with my local community association kerfuffle it seems like the executive committee has "gone silent". Then the citizen (me!) that keeps bringing it up seems sorta kooky....but nothing will happen if I don't.

Janet

I agree with JM Hanes 12:50.

Ignatz

--and Republicans have never come up with a counterargument that makes sense to the general working public, not just investors & job creators--

You don't think people can tell that when taxes are cut the economy expands and they have more money and they know fewer unemployed people?
The idea that the electorate turns on what the CBO says seems to me a bit of a stretch. Even fewer of the general working public listen to it, outside of investors, job creators and wonks, than Republican arguments about job creation.

Ignatz

--That talking point is passe'. 'Whiskers' is the name of the Republican Mascot who gets around in it's tiny little wheelchair mewing; "lower taxes"--

That's actually a kind of funny image, even if it is the usual ephemeral cotton candy stupidity from Ben.

Barbara-Lurking

I agree with JM Hanes 12:50.
Posted by: Janet

As do I...
I wish TM would deal aggressively with this bilge-spewer, as not to do so lends tacit approval to what the sock-puppet posts.

Thomas Collins

Is there an IT-Typepad whiz who is a regular or sometimes poster here, or who is a lurker, who can suggest a way we might track down the sock puppeter, so that we need not depend on TM moderation? There are no doubt times when anonymity should be respected. This is not one of them.

Benjamin Franklin

TC; DoT suggested using the site-meter but it is so time sensitive, it's difficult to nail the IP

Captain Hate

Since people seem to be weighing in on this, I find the socker less offensive than some of the other things TM doesn't do to monitor his site; but I can understand why others feel differently. And no, I'm not the one doing it

Dave (in MA)

TC, I think only the server admins can determine the source IP address, but I would like to be proven wrong.

Thomas Collins

I don't have the IT skills to use site meter, BFF. I am going to check with the IT folks in my office and see whether they can come up with something.

Thomas Collins

CH, my feeling on TM is that we have to come to terms with TM's hands off to the max policy. Whether it is the current sock puppeter or a future one, I am trying to figure out whether there is a way to exercise the sanction of public outing (whether by an email to an employer, or a post on a Facebook wall, or some other kind of public outing). Dave(in MA). I am going to check on that.

smackwater jack

I don't care/mind about the sock puppet. The message is that there is a monster in our midst and though once outed he has stopped shitting in the punchbowl he now pees in it with impunity and people defend him because it is not as bad as it once was. Why y'all engage him is beyond me.

Captain Hate

an email to an employer

Whoa; isn't that a bit severe? Particularly if a non-work pc is being used?

narciso

Well TC, that piece does leave off the fact that Kasich was walking around with two daggers, in his back courtesy of Dewine, and Huxted, the two new Duke and Duke trainees,

Maybe the Special Ballot measures were too strong, this time around, or how about they
were outspent 4-1 in advertising.

Clarice

with 2 computers you might have a better chance of getting asshole's IP addy..One to click on the posting time to get the url and the other to scan the site meter..but it's hard. It's much easier to do this from the control booth. Perhaps someday TM will designate an IT sharpie among us to check out the poster's IP addy.

Captain Hate

Maybe the Special Ballot measures were too strong, this time around, or how about they
were outspent 4-1 in advertising.

The anti-2s were able to frame the discussion in terms of screwing firemen and police. And that all teachers look like Don Draper's ex wife.

Clarice

P.S. For what it's worth, I think the idea of these obnoxious posts is to make new viewers to the site think this is standard fare and depart.

Thomas Collins

CH, I wouldn't necessarily email an employer, or post on a Facebook wall, without a warning. What I am trying to do is figure out whether, in the absence of TM moderation, we can engage in self-help if it becomes necessary. Also, this is not a situation in which I think bluffing is good. If I ever post on this site that I have a way of outing someone who I think should be outed, I will have done the background research to be able to follow through on my statement. If I conclude it is not possible to out, I won't assert that it is.

Clarice

"Why y'all engage him is beyond me." Me, too. It's not as if one has ay expectation of a rational dialogue.

narciso

Like I say, Captain, things Olsen leaves out,
then again I noticed he had similar notions about the Wisconsin vote.

narciso

This is the latest contratempt that McClatchy is trying to say, 'look squirrel 'about:


https://www.investigativeproject.org/3275/top-cair-fundraiser-aids-florida-incumbent

Captain Hate

Yeah I noticed that disconnect also narc. He isn't a name that I recognize as somebody who stands out in memory of contributors to the dead tree Weekly Standard so maybe it was a slight lapse in Kristol's farming out process. Or maybe he's related to Ted::rolleyes::.

narciso

things I recall, on occasion.

https://blog.american.com/author/holsen/

Barbara-Lurking

I don't use Foxfire, so don't benefit from the Narcisolator, yet I've never been upset by the postings by the troll. The lengthy c&p posts were merely annoying in comparison to the anti-semitic trash-posts that have been appearing lately. Were it not for the content, I'd not complain or comment. However, this venom offends my sensibilities, and I'm not willing to give it a pass.

I just finished reading an article at AT about the eloquence of Obama's silence regarding racism directed toward conservatives or about the activities associated with the "Occupy" movement. Then there's the Penn State scandal, which also involved people not speaking boldly when faced with child rape and molestation.

I'd rather be known as someone willing to stick out her neck than as a silent witness to offensive behavior.

smackwater jack

I like the idea that our community immediately believes it is one of us as the sock puppet. Wouldn't it be an ideal extension of the grand experiment? Look how easy it is to make the fools turn on each other.

pagar

"I agree with JM Hanes 12:50."

Add me to the agrees.

Thomas Collins

I don't think the Ohio result necessarily means that states such as Indiana or Virginia will fall to Obama's column. In addition, given that the public union stranglehold on certain states' finances is a substantial threat to the ongoing functioning of those states, a GOP Governor and state legislators may have to act notwithstanding the loss of votes in the 2012 POTUS election. Nonetheless, any strategy necessarily must focus on whether anything can be done, consistent with the GOP not backing down on entitlement reform, to get persuadable Reagan Democrats to vote to send Mr. Obama on a private speaking tour in 2013 that I am sure will bring him great fees.

narciso

Pagar, did you notice that the Countrywide decision, didn't get certified.

centralcal

Well, I DO have the narcisolator, so I NEVER see the noxious BFF. However, it does sadden me no end to see how many commenters here, regularly "engage" with him. Day in, day out. THAT is what he comes here for. THAT is why he sits on these threads.

You will never change BFF, but golly you could at least attempt to change yourselves by not providing the very thing he craves.

/off rant

Captain Hate

I don't think the Ohio result necessarily means that states such as Indiana or Virginia will fall to Obama's column.

To read that Ohio is going for Obama based on the 11/8 vote on Issue 2 is a severe act of spurious correlation. By approximately the same margin a vote against the state being bound by Bammycare was cast. I would say he's toast in Ohio barring something highly unusual.

Captain Hate

smackwater jack is making some very good points

Dave (in MA)

TC, lovely Soviet-style imagery these folks are using. I know it's the same art that they used in Oakland for their recent "general strike". I wonder it it's reusing old propaganda poster art, or is it just inspired by same?

narciso

Olsen I recall from NR on Dead Tree, as a specialist on Michigan,

Ignatz

--I think the idea of these obnoxious posts is to make new viewers to the site think this is standard fare and depart.--

Not at all, IMO. It's somebody who is reminding everyone of just how execrable the real Cleo is when he's free to spew his hate anonymously.
Some may find it offensive but at least find it offensive for the right reason; it's not anti-Semtic, it's making fun of Cleo's veiled anti-Semitism.

--smackwater jack is making some very good points--

Even though I'm guilty myself of what smackwater jack says, I have to agree he's talking good sense.

Thomas Collins

Have you been by Dewey Square, Dave(in MA)? If you happen to be in the South Station/Fed Reserve Bank/One Financial Center area, take a look at the hegemonic class distinctions in the Occupy groups as evidenced by the tents. Some are small hovel-type tents. There is one gigantic Tom Friedman/Al Gore type tent.

One intriguing thing I saw today at Dewey Square was a sign pointing to the middle of the encampment that indicated that free reiki therapy was available. Have they been warned not to let Al Gore anywhere near the therapist?

It looks as if, from the meeting notice you linked, that the JP meeting comports with Soviet style karma!

Barbara-Lurking

Ignatz wrote:
Some may find it offensive but at least find it offensive for the right reason; it's not anti-Semtic, it's making fun of Cleo's veiled anti-Semitism.

Call me dim, but the subtlety escapes me.

Ignatz

The sockpuppet is using hyperbole to explicitly state what the real Cleo is afraid to say out loud and therefore couches in less offensive terminology.

Dave (in MA)

TC, I have not had a recent occasion leading me to stray out of my "leafy suburbs" and venture into the big city. I was amused by the advance planning to conduct a planning meeting at "Spontaneous Celebrations", but that's apparently the name of the venue (and you need reservations in advance). These are the same bunch who protested the takeover by Whole Foods of the building formerly used by the defunct mom & pop-ish Hi Lo Foods. The idea of "progressives" trying to Stick It To The Man at the leftie mecca Whole Foods is beyond amusing.

Barbara-Lurking

Ignatz, I've understood that all along. I fail to comprehend how anti-semitism is not anti-semitism, whether veiled or not.

Cecil Turner

The sockpuppet is using hyperbole to explicitly state what the real Cleo is afraid to say out loud and therefore couches in less offensive terminology.

Concur. It's parody, and obvious parody at that. As such, it's inherently less offensive than the original (as it's not meant to be taken seriously). Moreover, as both are caught in the narcisolator filter (or not, depending on whether it's engaged), I find it one of the least disruptive pushbacks.

The only legitimate fairness issue is to Cleo. And in my opinion, Cleo doesn't deserve any fairness consideration, even in his new, "reformed" persona. YMMV.

Ignatz

--I fail to comprehend how anti-semitism is not anti-semitism, whether veiled or not.--

BL,
When a person is ridiculing an offensive position he is not supporting that position.
Spike Jones wasn't really saluting Hitler when he parodied Horst Wessel Lied by heiling right in "Der Fuehrer's Face".

Porchlight

I thought the Olsen article made some pretty big leaps.

I don't mind the sockpuppeting. Any weapon to hand. Cleo deserves no respect of any sort.

boris

iowahawk mocks the antisemitism of cleo's hero mob without the "fuck". Perhaps the language bothers some more than others.

My first guess for identity of the sock-troll would be cleo. I don't know if cleo is faking, running an experiment, or actually has an emotional disorder. I do know that continuous exposure to the troll from Assclownistan calling itself "Lion of Frustration" has a predictable effect on any unwitting group.

A way to negate most of that effect is to let others in the group deal with the irritant in their own way.

TM once suggested making the blog registration comment only. I prefer my way but that would be preferable to scolding and pleading with each other.

Benjamin Franklin

"Cleo's veiled anti-Semitism."

Iggy;

It could also be a parody of veiled racism which you found repulsive on the TP/Occupy compare/contrast earlier today.

It's not an easy charge to effectively dismember, as you know.

Let me ask you: "Are the "Peace Now" Israelis, racist because they criticize the Netanyahu government?

Are Tea Partiers racist when they criticize Obama?

Threadkiller

What countrywide story, Narc?

Benjamin Franklin

Hey JMH, Janet, and Barbara - cover me while I take another shit on PUK's and bad's graves.

Thanks for the support, guys!

bolitha

Personally, I think BF is crazy as in demented. No sane person would write the things he does.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

P.S. For what it's worth, I think the idea of these obnoxious posts is to make new viewers to the site think this is standard fare and depart.

I disagree. These sockpuppet posts are to make people think it is Dana and to do what happens nearly every day, gratuitous attacks on BF. We have two or three men and a couple women here who can not resist, although they do not usually write their little snippy snippets when BF is actually active. The usual MO is to wait until he has left and then talk behind his back, so to speak.

narciso

Countrywide v. Rodriguez, a 3rd Circuit case

Ignatz

--These sockpuppet posts are to make people think it is Dana and to do what happens nearly every day, gratuitous attacks on BF.--

The person doesn't even make the attempt to change his avatar to BF's, and he intentionally uses over the top rhetoric so obviously he isn't trying to make anyone think it's BF.
If you mean the person is trying to make us think it's BF sock puppeting himself, seems to me BF's past misbehavior is most responsible for anyone thinking that.

--It could also be a parody of veiled racism which you found repulsive on the TP/Occupy compare/contrast earlier today.--

I hope I can indulge one last attempt to talk sense into the clown.
There was no parody of veiled racism at the site you linked. There was a description of racists as racists, which is perfectly valid. I did note these Tea Party racists do seem to be vanishingly small in number.
What I objected to was the perfectly invalid and coincidental description of the numerous marxists/socialists/anarchists as innocuous "hipsters."
The contrast in terminology was striking and telling as is your inability to grasp even the most basic point of logic.

narciso

Usually Dana's work has a tell tale Journolist/Nut roots link, although the original Nazgul was often abusive without
any particular reference.

narciso

So, it does seem he is a large Norwegian Blue, after all, the Walter Dornberger of sorts


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/8887322/Iran-missile-development-commander-killed-in-explosion.html

Benjamin Franklin

"The person doesn't even make the attempt to change his avatar to BF's, and he intentionally uses over the top rhetoric so obviously he isn't trying to make anyone think it's BF."

Hence, your tacit approval.

""Cleo's veiled anti-Semitism."

Therein lies your recidivist Igiocy. But, you are getting smarter about not answering direct questions. I'm not sure it's to anyone's advantage, save, your own.

narciso

The notion that the Mossad, would have more access to the target, than a home grown element, maybe some dissident element of the IRGC, sympathetic to the Green Revolution,

narciso

The notion that Glenn Reynolds pioneered that they are not 'antiwar, just on the other side'
with Suffolk U, law professor Michael Avery

Ignatz

--Hence, your tacit approval.--

He doesn't have my approval, tacit or otherwise.
If the posts are by you they're repulsive and bizarre.
If someone else they are mostly counterproductive to their apparent intent.

--But, you are getting smarter about not answering direct questions.--

It's hard to tell when you're asking rhetorically or otherwise but in either event you have to reciprocate if you expect people to indulge you.

Benjamin Franklin

"It's hard to tell when you're asking rhetorically or otherwise but in either event you have to reciprocate if you expect people to indulge you."

I have general rules of thumb.....Here's one of them.

When determining intelligence, I find the line of demarcation between smart and not-so-smart is the ability to recognize a rhetorical question.

Rick Ballard

Frau,

Happy 55th Anniversary!

Just think - in only another 15-20 years he'll be almost completely trained.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

he isn't trying to make anyone think it's BF.

Really? Then why have so many over the last few weeks fallen for the ruse?

It is childish and disgusting. Probably Rod Crawford or maybe even DOT.

Stephanie

Probably Rod Crawford or maybe even DOT.

You sporting a mustache, smoking and posing for campaign ads, too?

Cecil Turner

If the sock puppet is actually indistinguishable from Cleo, it's hard to see how it's objectionable (or at least any more objectionable than the usual). So it seems to me that argument demolishes itself.

But in any event, if the contention is that Cleo is the blameless victim of "gratuitous" comments, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Benjamin Franklin

"If the sock puppet is actually indistinguishable from Cleo, it's hard to see how it's objectionable (or at least any more objectionable than the usual). So it seems to me that argument demolishes itself."

Well, reality as distinguished from fantasy, has never been an issue for the Poster Boy for Redemptive Self-Awareness.

Cecil Turner

As usual, a reductio argument is a bit too complicated for Cleo.

boris

"the line of demarcation between smart and not-so-smart ..."

It's not like algebra where a negative plus a negative is positive.

Cleo has a long history of posting gibberish and when called on it claiming "smart people like you should be able to figure out what I really mean".

One of the tells of an indivual with actual mental problems, as in BPD or some form of schizophrenia.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

But in any event, if the contention is that Cleo is the blameless victim of "gratuitous" comments, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Don't put words into my mouth and then disagree with your own opinion passed off as mine.

Do some here engage in gratuitous comments about BF (although others have also been the target as well), yes they do. It is even more annoying than long, unattributed c&ps, which BF has stopped doing. I especially love the ones which say, I narcisolate and never see his comments, but he's a piece of shit so I'll say that over and over.

Benjamin Franklin

Boris;

You've been re-digesting that meal for what, 2-3 years"

"It's not like algebra where a negative plus a negative is positive.

Cleo has a long history of posting gibberish and when called on it claiming "smart people like you should be able to figure out what I really mean"."

Now, it;s time to return to your vomit.

A negative times a negative is a basic, algegraic fact, but because I misspoke, you and your fellow travellars have gotten about
1000 miles per gallon in your HUMVEE of STUPIDITY.

Congrats on your Science Project using pig manure to fuel your
METHANEEDSEL,,,,,

Bwahaaaaa....

Ignatz

--A negative times a negative is a basic, algegraic fact, but because I misspoke, you and your fellow travellars have gotten about
1000 miles per gallon in your HUMVEE of STUPIDITY.--

I have general rules of thumb.....Here's one of them.

When determining intelligence, I find the line of demarcation between smart and utter moron is the tendency to attribute numerous demonstrations of stupidity to typos and misspeaking.

And algebraic doesn't mean what you think it means, bright boy.

boris

"but because I misspoke, you and your fellow travellars"

I have no fellow "travellars" but I know what you mean.

You really do have this habit of claiming what you meant to say should be obvious to anybody who bothers to read your drek. Since I try to work at making what I post coherent and unambiguous that seems like a very strange attitude from my POV. Maybe you are a little too "self aware" to the exclusion of ... well ... reality.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm sorry JOMers, but the inestimable asswipes of JOM demand it..

Benjamin Franklin

Maguire must be paying by basis point on the bandwidth.

This is gonna have to come in segments. My apologies, again.

Why is a negative times a negative a positive?

People have suggested many ways of picturing what is going on when a negative number is multiplied by a negative number. It's not easy to do, however, and there doesn't seem to be a visualization that works for everyone.


Debt

Debt is a good example of a negative number. One common form of debt is a mortgage in which you owe the bank money because the bank paid for your house. It is also common for an employer to deduct a mortgage payment from an employee's paycheck to help the employee keep on schedule with the payments.
Suppose $700 is being deducted each month to pay the mortgage. After six months, how much money has been taken out of the pay for the mortgage? We can figure out the answer by doing multiplication.

6 * -$700 = -$4,200

This is an illustration of a positive times a negative resulting in a negative.

Now suppose that, as a bonus, the employer decides to pay the mortgage for one year. The employer removes the mortgage deduction from the monthly paychecks. How much money is gained by the employee in our example? We can represent "removes" by a negative number and figure out the answer by multiplying.

-12 * -$700 = $8,400

This is an illustration of a negative times a negative resulting in a positive.

Benjamin Franklin

.

If one thinks of multiplication as grouping, then we have made a positive group by taking away a negative number twelve times.

This example may not work for you, and you might want to read others by following the related links below.


Visualizing isn't the same as understanding. Let's see how a mathematician might understand what's going on when a negative number is multiplied by a negative number.

A Mathematical Explanation

If we can agree that a negative number is just a positive number multiplied by -1, then we can always write the product of two negative numbers this way:

(-a)(-b) = (-1)(a)(-1)(b) = (-1)(-1)ab
For example,

-2 * -3 = (-1)(2)(-1)(3)

= (-1)(-1)(2)(3)

= (-1)(-1) * 6
So the real question is,

(-1)(-1) = ?
and the answer is that the following convention has been adopted:

(-1)(-1) = +1
This convention has been adopted for the simple reason that any other convention would cause something to break.

For example, if we adopted the convention that (-1)(-1) = -1, the distributive property of multiplication wouldn't work for negative numbers:

(-1)(1 + -1) = (-1)(1) + (-1)(-1)

(-1)(0) = -1 + -1

0 = -2
As Sherlock Holmes observed, "When you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

Since everything except +1 can be excluded as impossible, it follows that, however improbable it seems, (-1)(-1) = +1.


Paying bills

Let's say you get five bills in the mail for seven dollars each. You'd have 5 x -7 dollars, or -35 more dollars, i.e. 35 fewer dollars.
But what if you had sent out five bills instead of getting them? Then, in a sense, you'd have gotten negative five bills, so you'd have -5 x -7 = 35 more dollars than you started with.

Imagine that you buy five gift certificates worth $5 each and pay for them using your credit card. You now owe money, so that's -$25.
The bill comes from the credit card company, but I take it away from you and insist on paying it. You now have $25 worth of gift certificates without having paid anything.

Taking away a debt is analogous to negating a negative. Taking away five debts of $5 (-5*-5) equals a gain of $25..


Benjamin Franklin


Number Line

Imagine a number line on which you walk. Multiplying x*y is taking x steps, each of size y. Negative steps require you to face the negative end of the line before you start walking and negative step sizes are backward (i.e., heel first) steps. So, -x*-y means to stand on zero, face in the negative direction, and then take x backward steps, each of size y.
On the Road

Suppose you're standing on a road, and you measure mileage to the east as positive, and to the west as negative. So you are at zero, and a town one mile east is at +1 mile, while a town two miles to the west is at -2 miles.
A car travelling east will have a positive velocity, and a car travelling west will have a negative one. So a car going east at 60 mph goes at +60 mph, and a car going west at the same speed goes at -60 mph.

This makes sense, since if they go for an hour (+1 hour), the east-going car will be at (+1)(+60) = 60 miles, and the car going west will be at (+1)(-60) = -60 miles (= 60 miles west).

Now suppose a car passes you going east at 60 mph. Where was it one hour ago? Or at -1 hour? Just multiply: (-1)(60) = -60 = 60 miles west.

How about a car going west at 60 mph? Where was it an hour ago? Its velocity is -60, the time is -1, so it was at (-1)(-60), and the answer should be 60 miles east, or +60.

So (-1)(-60) = +60.


Patterns

Here's a plausibility argument drawn from multiplication patterns:
3 x -3 = -9
2 x -3 = -6
1 x -3 = -3
0 x -3 = 0
-1 x -3 = 3
A Proof

Let a and b be any two real numbers. Consider the number x defined by
x = ab + (-a)(b) + (-a)(-b).

We can write
x = ab + (-a)[ (b) + (-b) ] (factor out -a)
= ab + (-a)(0)
= ab + 0
= ab.
Also,
x = [ a + (-a) ]b + (-a)(-b) (factor out b)
= 0 * b + (-a)(-b)
= 0 + (-a)(-b)
= (-a)(-b).
So we have
x = ab
and
x = (-a)(-b)

Hence, by the transitivity of equality, we have

ab = (-a)(-b).

Ignatz

I'm pretty sure Ben isn't sock puppeting himself.
His own posts are self-parody enough.

Direct question Ben; what does algebra have to do with multiplying a negative times a negative?

Benjamin Franklin

Even I, with all the Tolkeinic imagination i could muster, could visualize the length, breadth and depth of your Igiocy.

Utter, Ig-nominy.

boris

"... breadth and depth of your Igiocy ..."

Seems to know how to push your buttons though.

Benjamin Franklin

Einstein was once asked the difference between Genius and Stupidity......

"Genius has it's limits"
--A. Einstein.

Benjamin Franklin

"Seems to know how to push your buttons though"

Maybe he's on a lucky streak, but that's his only hope.

Ignatz

That's OK, Ben.
Nobody's laughing at you.
We're all laughing with you.

JM Hanes

I don't need any schooling in what some ostensible sock puppet or anybody else imagines is what the "real" Cleo "really" wants to say. How do you know it's not Cleo's clever little alter ego -- suddenly somehow making the selfsame comments inherently worse?

This filth is not just harmless parody. Even if its defenders can just dismiss the fact that a lot of us apparently find it shocking, how is anybody who is not a long time regular here supposed to recognize its putative therapeutic value? Just how sanguine are you about JOM turning up in the Google results for anti-semitic obscenities?

If all that's no big deal, then let our resident satirist stand up and take a bow!

JM Hanes

Ignatz:

"You don't think people can tell that when taxes are cut the economy expands and they have more money and they know fewer unemployed people?"

I think a lot of people have trouble making that direct a connection, in part because it can take a good chunk of time before the macro economic effect of reductions starts kicking in, and the trickles start trickling down. Folks understand money in their own pockets from tax cuts, but a lot of them don't, in fact, understand how "rich investors" create jobs -- especially since the Democrats have been so relentlessly conflating investments and subsidies. Even among the numerate there are so many ways to graph the universe of stats, that you regularly end up with dueling charts, instead of incontrovertible evidence of tax cuts as economic stimulus.

"The idea that the electorate turns on what the CBO says seems to me a bit of a stretch."

I didn't mean to suggest that was the case. Congress, however and alas, does. When the Super Committee calculates the required "balance" between revenues vs spending cuts, they'll be working with simple addition and subtraction, not tax cut multipliers and tax hike depressors.

Clarice

Yes, I find it amusing that people are so sure it is not the real Cleo .

Benjamin Franklin

" How do you know it's not Cleo's clever little alter ego -- "

I don't know what to say to this....sour grapes? Hell hath no fury like a woman pwned? You be the judge.

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