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Charlie (Colorado)

As irritating or disruptive as some may find the Occupiers, they are the conscience of America, like it or not.

Dude, "conscience" doesn't actually mean "magical-thinking overaged children who know they want other people's stuff and think whining and bitching will get it for them".

narciso

Right if they had only invested with MF Global, they have a sterling repu...

Danube of Thought

No jerky, MayBee. Plenty of sausage and ground meat for spaghetti sauce and the like. (Jerky is for the dogs, which I didn't have then.)

Happy Birthday.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Like some elected officials who quickly changed their tone on the Occupy movements when they realized the protesters' message was resonating with the American people

Hmmm. I must have missed that resonating.

I was listening to Fox and Friends this morning and they had one of the parents on with his 8 year old son who were caught up in the protest march. He was trying to walk his son to school when they were surrounded by the OWSers. The son said they were very aggressive toward the kids. The father said that the huge Day of Anger was a total bust, only about 200 people marching, despite the media trying to make it sound like thousands. And they said how the protesters were furious that the school opened their doors to let the child enter but blocked them from coming in. The son said they make so much noise outside his school that he can't hear his math lessons.

BF: I saw a clip on the news of that pepper spraying incident. I don't support the OWSers at all, but I was shocked to see a bunch of people lined up on their knees on the street as this copy goes down the line spraying the pepper spray in their faces as they tried to protect themselves. I don't object to pepper spray, but you don't line people up, put them on their knees and then spray them. It was sadistic.

Pepper spray is a good alternative when you are trying to subdue a crowd, but that wasn't the case. Whatever the reason, this group was already subdued and secure on their knees. To swagger down the line spraying each one, one by one, was unnecessary and cruel and the copy should be brought up on charges of police brutality.

Benjamin Franklin

A sample of the hate mail at KOS. (it's the only one I could post because of the language)

This is kind of a compilation of what I hear at JOM on the subject.

"OWS
Whats up with OWS = Obama Worshipping Scumbags? Maybe you heard that all of USA hates you Obama brownshirts? 99% means that 99% of you are useless fags who live on welfare! Whenever I see one of you scumbags getting your hippie asses handed to you by the cops I laugh my ass off! Looks like your nazi thugs overstayed ther welcome? Now watch as Obamas poll numbers drop like a rock when the OWS nazis are linked to him! Everytime you fascists vanfalize a store or attack a cop Obama takes a hit! Fun aint it? And you can't get rid of your thugs either. Like you can't shove shit back up your ass after it's come out, you can't send the thugs back home now that they think they're above the law and can steal and destroy at will! You will get CRUSHED in 2012!"

Benjamin Franklin

Sara;

Thanks for your thought on the Pepper-Uppers of our less-than-finist.

Chaco;

Your viewpoint on social unrest is a matter of record.

peter

This part made me laugh:

"...Embracing Warren as the next “one” is, in part, a way of getting over Obama; she provides an optimistic distraction from the fact that under our current president, too little has changed, for reasons having to do both with the limitations of the political system and the limitations of the man. She makes people forget that estimations of him were too overheated, trust in his powers too fervid. As the feminist philanthropist Barbara Lee told me of Warren, “This moment of disillusion is why people find her so compelling, because she brings forth the best in people and she brings back that excitement.” ..."

Then there's this chuckler:

"...It also helps that Warren has never run for office before. Like Obama in ’08, she’s a blank screen onto which admirers can project whatever they most want to see. "

Danube of Thought

they are the conscience of America

How do people contrive such imbecilities?

Benjamin Franklin


'Irony' is using the word 'theatre' in the same sentence with a Rumsfeld quote.


http://www.ruthfullyyours.com/

"To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, we go to war with the president we have, and the incumbent is not fit for duty in the Syrian theater.".

Benjamin Franklin

"How do people contrive such imbecilities?"

Full 'Moon'?

Danube of Thought

And how is our national conscience faring?

The Occupy Wall Street movement is not wearing well with voters across the country. Only 33% now say that they are supportive of its goals, compared to 45% who say they oppose them. That represents an 11 point shift in the wrong direction for the movement’s support compared to a month ago when 35% of voters said they supported it and 36% were opposed. Most notably independents have gone from supporting Occupy Wall Street’s goals 39/34, to opposing them 34/42.

Voters don’t care for the Tea Party either, with 42% saying they support its goals to 45% opposed. But asked whether they have a higher opinion of the Tea Party or Occupy Wall Street movement the Tea Party wins out 43-37, representing a flip from last month when Occupy Wall Street won out 40-37 on that question. Again the movement with independents is notable- from preferring Occupy Wall Street 43-34, to siding with the Tea Party 44-40.

Clarice

It is a treat to watch the poll shifts on the temperature of the low information voters.
Will next Nov come too soon or too late for them to like yo know actually PAY ATTENTION

Gmax

The Indys have been consistent since Scott Brown ( who both my wallet and me bet beats OWS sweetheart and inspiration E Warren like a dimestore drum ). They are going vote Democrats out of office in offices the Democrats thought were legacy inheritances...

Clarice

From your lips to Gaia's ears, GMax.

Gmax

Spaniards Set to Throw Out Ruling Socialists

Save the headline, next November cut and paste with replacement of the Spaniards with Americans.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

There are 6 holidays today and two I would like to honor and the other not so much.

The first one is National Adoption Day. As the Mom of the greatest daughter in the world who happens to be adopted, I hope everyone supports adoption. Second is Family Volunteer Day. An election year is the perfect time to volunteer, make it a family affair.

Now the others:

World Toilet Day - seems appropriate for the OWS crapper crowd.

Have A Bad Day Day - for those sick of saying, "Have a good day," to people you neither know or care about.

National Day of Play - Hey, shouldn't every day be a day of play for at least 99% of us.

And lastly, a serious one:

National Survivors of Suicide Day - because it is important to honor people for failure.

Frau Abreise

"This is kind of a compilation of what I hear at JOM on the subject."

Hanging tough. As a martyr, a person needs only *one* miracle to qualify for sainthood. Oh, does the Religious Left have saints?

Gmax, from your keyboard strokes! Cartoon tool Doonesbury is campaigning for Warren.

Gmax

Doonesbury has been stuck in a time vortex that continually invokes the 60s. Totally unfunny and I have not even bothered to read it in a decade or more. Most newspapers moved it long ago to the editorial pages as its not a comic ( nor funny either kinda like Garrison Keiler ).

Frau Abreise

Adoptive parents are extra special. Good news, Sara. Thanks for sharing.

Gmax

I watched Willie Brown last evening on Fox Business and he was invoking the fact that head to head Zero was beating most of the Republicans. Unfortunately for the jackasses, that is a faulty analysis as the best Zero gets in most head to head contests is about 44%. Everyone else is NOT OBAMA. And that will soon be apparent.

Frau Abreise

I agree, Gmax. I look once in a while just as I occasionally take a *quick* look at an accident on the other side of the freeway. I've heard it rumored Trudeau doesn't do his own drawing any more. He's been especially cruel with Sarah Palin just to make his readers chuckle.

Benjamin Franklin

"Everyone else is NOT OBAMA. And that will soon be apparent."

Join me writing-in.....

'None of the above'

peter

Yes, National Survivors of Suicide is a worthy cause. Suicide is so devastating to so many people. A boy in my son's class just lost his older sister. She was home from college for the weekend. Poor kid, he'll never be the same.

centralcal

You're right, peter. It is really devastating to the families. To me suicide is the failure, not the surviving.

centralcal

I see Jane checked in earlier. The cruise should be coming to an end soon, no? We miss ya, Jane!

Benjamin Franklin

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/danish_muslim_cartoons/

I'm sure you'll make the giant leap to logical imperative.

Benjamin Franklin


Imagine how many jobs they're 'creating'

http://upwithchrishayes.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/19/8896362-exclusive-lobbying-firms-memo-spells-out-plan-to-undermine-occupy-wall-street-video


A well-known Washington lobbying firm with links to the financial industry has proposed an $850,000 plan to take on Occupy Wall Street and politicians who might express sympathy for the protests, according to a memo obtained by the MSNBC program “Up w/ Chris Hayes.”

Benjamin Franklin

I was sure you could make it. My bad.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Thanks Frau.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Yes, National Survivors of Suicide is a worthy cause. Suicide is so devastating to so many people. A boy in my son's class just lost his older sister. She was home from college for the weekend. Poor kid, he'll never be the same.

Suicide is a coward's way out and it does devastate those left behind. A good friend's son committed suicide at 22 after being diagnosed as schizophrenic. She has never gotten over it. Those who survive the attempt either weren't serious and just wanted someone else to feel guilty as they made a point or are so selfish, they don't care how much they hurt those who love them.

My son's best friend in middle school came home from school in time to witness his own father blow his brains out and the man actually said to his son, "Tell your Mother this is her fault." If he had lived thru the attempt, I think I would have killed him myself for the emotional damage he inflicted on that 12 year old boy.

Benjamin Franklin

I agree Sara; a morbidly selfish act. Even worse when the actor offs his spouse and children before applying the means to himself.

RichatUF

Oh, does the Religious Left have saints?

Castro, Saddam, Marx, Lenin...you know the greatest killers in history.

matt

Sara, suicide is often committed out of despair, one of the reasons the Church excommunicates suicides. At the same time, I have seen despair and empathize up to the point of taking one's own life. I have also seen the selfishness of the act with others.

There are many reasons, none good, and I am presuming the day set aside is for those affected by the suicide, not the suicides themselves.

Still, the mentally ill are often the most cruelly affected.

It is a deeply painful and terrible thing to experience and my heart goes out to all who have had to undergo that particularly hellish pain.

Captain Hate

I've heard it rumored Trudeau doesn't do his own drawing any more. He's been especially cruel with Sarah Palin just to make his readers chuckle.

I would imagine that chirpy wife Jane Pauley would be a rich target for satire if anybody cared about her. Or if anybody was as mean spirited and lacking in original ideas as Trudeau.

Benjamin Franklin

Pinochet !! Drat. I meant, 'Allende'.

hit and run

I wish he would ignore me


Riiiiiight.


Hasn't the Dr. told you jerky is bad for your teeth?

Sara (Pal2Pal)

There are many reasons, none good, and I am presuming the day set aside is for those affected by the suicide, not the suicides themselves.

Okay, I can look at it like that. I wasn't thinking in those terms originally. I was thinking of my friend and her son. He was lucid enough to buy a gun, rent a hotel room, and then sit down and write individual letters to his mother, father, two sisters, and a brother. His reasoning, he'd read the brochures the doctor gave him and he didn't want to be a future burden on his family. I can tell you that my friend would welcome that burden if she could bring him back. He was in Air Force intelligence training when the disease first began to manifest itself. It was bad enough to lose their eldest child this way, even worse because they'd taken a 2nd mortgage on their house to pay for his Cornell education and for years aferward, they were reminded every month when they had to write that check to pay it back. It was like torture for her and I imagine for her husband too.

hit and run

Glad to hear of your success with the cards,DoT.

Our monthly game is the 2nd Thursday every month. The one we had last week was mildly successful -- that is,until it came time to cash in the chips and the bank was light.

Since I am the owner of the chips,I usually keep the money. And since I was the bankster,I deserved to be the one who got shafted.

I am the 1%!

Smackwater Jack

'I am presuming the day set aside is for those affected by the suicide, not the suicides themselves.'

Matt,

How dare you question Sara's plain reading of the English language.
You're as bad as DoT (nudge nudge wink wink).

FU BF

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Eff you Smackwater.

Benjamin Franklin

"Riiiiiight."

Snark is excluded

Benjamin Franklin

If we learned anything from the last round of jungle drums, it's getting out front early......not that it matters to Netanyahu.

http://consortiumnews.com/2011/11/19/cracks-open-in-iran-nuke-charges/

"The latest report by the IAEA cited “information provided by Member States” that Iran had constructed “a large explosives containment vessel in which to conduct hydrodynamic experiments” – meaning simulated explosions of nuclear weapons – in its Parchin military complex in 2000.


Iranian flag
The report said it had “confirmed” that a “large cylindrical object” housed at the same complex had been “designed to contain the detonation of up to 70 kilograms of high explosives”. That amount of explosives, it said, would be “appropriate” for testing a detonation system to trigger a nuclear weapon.

But former IAEA inspector Robert Kelley has denounced the agency’s claims about such a containment chamber as “highly misleading”.

Kelley, a nuclear engineer who was the IAEA’s chief weapons inspector in Iraq and is now a senior research fellow at the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, pointed out in an interview with the Real News Network that a cylindrical chamber designed to contain 70 kg of explosives, as claimed by the IAEA, could not possibly have been used for hydrodynamic testing of a nuclear weapon design, contrary to the IAEA claim.

“There are far more explosives in that bomb than could be contained by this container,” Kelley said, referring to the simulated explosion of a nuclear weapon in a hydrodynamic experiment.

Kelley also observed that hydrodynamic testing would not have been done in a container inside a building in any case. “You have to be crazy to do hydrodynamic explosives in a container,” he said. “There’s no reason to do it. They’re done outdoors on firing tables.”

hit and run

Snark is excluded

Got it. Makes sense. I mean how could I of all people not be down with that.

Benjamin Franklin

"Got it."

Not that he's a bad guy. Anyone who likes dogs is ok with me.

Benjamin Franklin

I'm even commisurating with boris, so I've got that going for me.

Thomas Collins

Because I know you're all on the edge of your favorite blogging chairs for this report, with no further delay, I'm happy to report that Northwestern became bowl eligible with a 28-13 victory over Minnesota. However, to solidify it chances for a bowl invitation, the Wildcats need to topple Michigan State in their final game. Given that Northwestern defeated Nebraska earlier in the year, the Evanston faithful exude confidence.

Benjamin Franklin

Congrats to your team, TC. Continued success, since I don't have a horse in this race.

boris

No you don't.

MayBee

Next week, TC.
You. Me.
Mano y mano. Or team y team.

Luckily I've got Gmax on my side.

Benjamin Franklin

Hudson nails the 'Butcher's Bill'

http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2011/11/some-modest-proposals-for-reforming-

"The basic problem today is that nearly everyone is in debt. This is the problem in Europe too. There are Occupy Berlin meetings, the Greek and Icelandic protest, Spain’s “Indignant” demonstrations and similar ones throughout the world.

When debts reach today’s proportions, a basic economic principle is at work: Debts that can’t be paid; won’t be. The question is, just how are they not going to be paid? [Cf. Leviticus 25. --lambert] People with student loans are not permitted to declare bankruptcy to get a fresh start. The government or collection agencies dock their salaries and go after whatever property they have. Many people’s revenue over and above basic needs is earmarked to pay the bankers. Typical American wage earners pay about 40 percent of their wages on housing whose price is bid up by easy mortgage credit, and another 10 to 15 percent for credit cards and other debt service. FICA takes over 13 percent, and federal, local and sales taxes another 15 percent or so. All this leaves only about a quarter of many peoples’ paychecks available for spending on goods and services. This is what is causing today’s debt deflation. And Wall Street is supporting it, because it extracts income from the bottom 99% to pay the top 1%."

Benjamin Franklin

"No you don't."

See what I mean?

Gmax

TC did you see the MSU UI score this PM? Should be quite interesting next weekend.

Thomas Collins

Uh-oh. If I trash talk the Spartans this week, I may have to deal with Gmax's and Maybee's wrath. Well, I'll just make one request. If you show up at my office to beat me to a pulp, let me try to persuade you to expend your enemies on removing some LL Bean tents from Dewey Square! :-))

hit and run

There's a Romney-less "debate" tonight?

I'm heading to El Cajon Blvd for jerky -- but if anyone is itching to cover it,it's not televised but the live feed is embedded in that hotair link.

Starts at 5.

Benjamin Franklin

"nope'

Iggy must be socking boris....lol

Gmax

Speaking of snark, did you catch Taranto yesterday. This is snarkilicious!

Richard Schiffman at the Puffington Host. "It is here to stay. . . . OWS is not about supplying readymade answers and political solutions, but about asking the right questions." Those must be questions like: Hey, wouldn't it be fun to harass little children? Or: Shouldn't we show solidarity with a guy who (allegedly) tried to assassinate the president?

Emphasis added by me once the giggles stopped.

Thomas Collins

Gmax and MayBee, with it's crushing win today over Indiana, the Spartans have clinched a berth in the Big Ten Championship Game. No need to expend too much energy against the Wildcats.

maryrose

Sarah:
Your friend's son sounds like he was highly intelligent. At the time the act occurs the person is really not themselves. In his case the illness took over and defined his actions. Mental illness is often misunderstood and is under-diagnosed. Getting a true reading on the actual form of the illness is challenging. My heart goes out to your friends.

Benjamin Franklin

"Starts at 5"

I'll get the popcorn, you get the smelling salts.

Gmax

You should know Sparty's back up QB is Andrew Maxwell, he comes from the finest stock in Scotland!

Sara (Pal2Pal)

Well I would root for my Spartans, but since I have absolutely zero interest in college-level football, I'll root for your team, TC, and anyone else's who might need an extra cheer.

Thomas Collins

And just to fan the flames further, although both of you are probably too young to remember the 10-10 tie (although you've no doubt read about it), I was in front of my black and white TV set pulling for the Irish!

MayBee

I know TC, and I'm afraid the Spartans will let down next week. Hopefully Nebraska has provided us a cautionary tale.

Benjamin Franklin

Isn't this gonna cost, like, $7 million?

http://news.yahoo.com/organizer-50-000-signatures-recall-wis-gov-005255764.html

"MADISON, Wis. (AP) — A spokeswoman for the coalition working to recall Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker says the group has collected 50,000 signatures in 48 hours.
United Wisconsin spokeswoman Meagan Mahaffey told The Associated Press on Thursday that the numbers are slightly ahead of their expectations.
Recall organizers need to average 9,000 signatures a day to get the 540,000 needed to force a recall election of the Republican governor. They want to go well above that number, however, in case some signatures are invalidated.

Gmax

TC I am not going to begrudge a long suffering Cat fan a chance to still be playing football in December. I am quite confident without looking that by the time ND MSU locked up at season end that year, that the Cats had cleared the locker room and stored all the gear away for the next Fall season. You had to root for someone still playing.

Thomas Collins

Northwestern will need all the support it can get, Sara. Although Northwestern has come on strong at the end of the year, Michigan State has been tough all year. And I suspect the Spartans will not relax against Northwestern, even though MSU has clinched a spot in the Big Ten Championship Game.

Sara (Pal2Pal)

GMAX, don't go throwing stuff like that out there. I have two grandchildren with the surname Maxwell. Now I will be conflicted, a dilemma just short of a penumbra, which I reserve for the Supreme Court's purview.

Go Big 10!

rse

To add to the list of who the Left admires, I can honestly say if I had a dollar for every time some educator has pushed Mao and Trotsky as worthy of veneration I would be well on my way to funding Red's tuition.

Just finished Spengler's (David Goldman) Why Civilizations Die and it is quite good. I did not know that Arabic does not even have a word that corresponds to individual in the autonomous sense used in the West.

Also I found his explanation for the anti-semitism in Europe and now to be quite right. I think it is about hatred for any religion or philosophy that supports the primacy and responsibility of the individual vs the collective. Made me think of Ayers and Bernadine and the flotilla.

Danube of Thought

"probably too young to remember the 10-10 tie"

When Ara Parseghian tied one for the Gipper.

Gmax

So I guess someone forgot to tell Zero about the Ohioans vote on Obamacare last week? Cuz I cant imagine this decision to block shale oil drilling in Ohio is going to win friends and influence voters (other than negatively).

Anyone still think Axelgrease is a genius? How in hell's name does he win without Ohio?

Florida is gone and so is Virginia and NC.

Thomas Collins

Because the Spartans have two losses, they are not going to get a bid to the BCS Championship Game even if they win out. And if they win the Big Ten Championship Game, they'll be going to the Rose Bowl no matter what happens against Northwestern. So perhaps there will be a Spartan letdown (although if the Spartans win out, they will most likely be one of the top ten ranked teams in the final polls, and that could be an incentive to crush the 'Cats).

Thomas Collins

Yes, DOT, that wasn't Ara's finest moment as Irish coach, although he did revive the program during his years there.

Captain Hate

When Ara Parseghian tied one for the Gipper.

Ara was such a knob; I could see him handling the Penn State situation exactly as Paterno did.

Gmax

Keep hope alive TC

MJW

BF: I'm sure you'll make the giant leap to logical imperative.

Please help us make that leap. If your point is that the Chicago Tribune not publishing the Doonesbury cartoons because they violate the paper's fairness standards is equivalent the some paper's refusal to publish cartoons featuring Mohammad because they fear attacks by Muslim terrorists, it's a leap too far. No reasonable person would deny a paper's right to have a policy against publishing cartoons that mock religion. Do you believe the Tribune feared Palin supporters might firebomb the paper if they printed Trudeau's cartoons?

Ignatz

--Suicide is a coward's way out and it does devastate those left behind. A good friend's son committed suicide at 22 after being diagnosed as schizophrenic.--

I would hope that people might understand that the thought processes of a schizophrenic are utterly distorted and it is neither cowardly nor morbidly selfish for a severely disturbed person to commit an irrational act; the essence of their disease is they aren't rational, after all.
The same of course goes for the clinically depressed and bipolars. It's rather easy but IMO fairly thoughtless to judge someone as a coward or selfish when one hasn't experienced the debilitating and often seemingly hopeless effects of mental illness and depression.

Captain Hate

Cuz I cant imagine this decision to block shale oil drilling in Ohio is going to win friends and influence voters (other than negatively).

El JEFe has never been very popular in Ahia. Muffer beat him pretty handily in the 2008 primary. Other than some of the GM largess trickling down to Lordstown (which I assume some of it did but I don't know that for sure; when I've driven past it on a few occasions it doesn't seem to be booming) I don't know what he's done that hasn't infuriated voters here.

narciso

Wow, I missed that entirely, MJW, of course the reverse is more nearly the reverse, her
church was burned in part of some dubious reports in Salon and the Huffington Post

hit and run

In light of Daddy's absence,let me try to fill in for him with the answer on who to root for between NU and MSU.

I would give Northwestern the nod over Michigan State - based on the cheerleaders.

MayBee

Now you see where I got my inspiration for my tasteful nudes.

Ignatz

Incidentally, as enjoyable as it is to press BF's many, many sensitive buttons and prompt him to jump this way and that at will, I would hope I get a little credit for refraining from doing so the last several days, especially from those who advocate such a policy.

Gmax

Hit I just got a tweet, Coach Sandusky disagrees with you...

hit and run

OK, opening statements in tonight's Family Forum debate....

Candidates on stage. Frank Luntz moderating. Gives each candidate 60 seconds for introduction.

Rick Perry just took off his left boot and is pounding the podium. Wait. What's that? He just shoved it in his mouth and says,"Well, I was going to do it at some point tonight anyway. Might as well get it over with."

Developing...

Jim Ryan

Who? It's nice and tidy in here.

Thomas Collins

And the marching band, H&R. My youngest was a Wildcat marching band member during all four of her years at Northwestern. Of course, she didn't realize her dream to play her melofone in the Rose Bowl.

hit and run

Gotta run. For jerky.

And the bonfire.

Mostly the bonfire.

There's a lot of wood to be burned around here and I am just the man for the job.

I for one give Ignatz a little credit.

Gmax

Sorry Iggy that credit is not legal tender around here...

Captain Hate

I for one give Ignatz a little credit.

I for two (too?).

Gmax

NASA's James Hansen caught with his hand in the cookie jar? Something like $1.6 MM of honorarium and speaking fees not reported, and maybe almost that in free travel around the globe. Could not happen to a nicer guy. Kim, is he gone before Thanksgiving?

narciso

In light of this, he seems very naive indeed,
although he left Iraq, before the really major discoveries under Butler and Ritter,


http://www.hmc.edu/newsandevents/KelleyNobel%20PeacePrize.html

Sara (Pal2Pal)

I was at the 1966 Rose Bowl game, MSU vs UCLA, we lost in what was a huge upset that shocked everyone. My Father's first cousin had a large home just a block or two off Colorado Blvd. and her son at the time was in the Pasadena Marching Band. They had tickets both for the game and a designated parade viewing area, so I missed all the fun of sleeping on the street the night before the game and I managed to score big points with my friends when they graciously allowed their home to be invaded by some crazy Spartan fans. My recollection was doing more partying than parade or game watching, however. We were aware enough, though, that the name Stiles still makes the hair rise on the back of my neck. :)

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