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Clarice

Everyone knows you cannot go back on a double dog swear.

Captain Hate

Why waste time with those dipsticks in Iowa?

Cecil Turner

There are three possible reasons this sort of thing could be pertinent (AFAICT), and I'd contend all of them are fallacious.

  1. Newt cheated on his (first two) wives, and therefore he's unfit. In the first place, there's a difference between serial philanderers (like Herman Cain was accused of and Clinton certainly was) and people going through a messy divorce. If the worst that can be said of Newt is that he cheated with someone he subsequently married, that's not very persuasive.
  2. It's the hypocrisy. Right. Just because you had an infidelity in the past, you have to support gay marriage (or bestiality, for a reductio illustration of how ridiculous the argument is). Must be nice to have no standards (to deviate from).
  3. Newt's peccadilloes make him unelectable. Even neglecting the Clinton lesson, this is risible. Fear that a staunch conservative may try to legislate morality is a common (though unpersuasive) meme. Fear of Newt's cheating on another wife . . . not so much.
The fact that many liberals try out these smears (especially the hypocrisy one) ought to be instructive. If they want to sling mud, let them spend their own campaign money and credibility doiong it. I won't be helping.

Clarice

What Cecil said.
Plus I am uninterested in other peoples' sex lives and don't want to hear about it.


bolitha

So agree, Clarice. This is a silly pledge to ask someone to sign, and I think a silly person to sign. Sorry Newt decided to do that.

Janet

OT my neighborhood - We had our meeting last night. This was part of an email sent out over a week ago (which I mistook for "winning")-

"NCRC MEMBERSHIP UPDATE

To update everyone on the NCRC membership issue, the Executive Committee has revisited and reversed its April 2011 decision to join NCRC as a sponsoring member for ****'s application. This decision is based on the feedback we have received and was made with ****'s support as well. We both regret the misunderstandings that led to the Federal Reserve Board testimony. As to the membership generally, once again, I apologize to those who have been affected or offended. The *** will terminate its NCRC membership, and a letter will be sent to the Federal Reserve Board to clarify that the testimony given was not on behalf of the ***. We can talk about this issue more on December 12, but I wanted to give you all this update in advance of the meeting."

Come to find out...as of last night, we are still members. No letter has been sent. That email sure made the urgency die down though cause most neighbors took it to mean we weren't members anymore. What sneaky, sketchy people....
The meeting was booooorrrring! The left must win half their battles by just drowning everyone in "process" & boring us into submission.
Like someone here at JOM asked about the AGW Durbin nonsense...what was the final outcome? Did we sign something? Who knows? It is all so sketchy & boring.

narciso

Yes, Janet, they signed to another one of those worthless 'serf collars' committing us
to reduce our emissions by half in 2020.

narciso

Newt's fidelity away from conservative principles, in the last decade are more is more concerning. Personal fidelity and integrity after the Palin example, doesn't matter a farthing.

Janet

Thanks, narciso. Your 2 sentence post is clearer than the reams of newspaper articles.

Janet

Oops, 1 sentence!

GMAX

If I didnt know better, I would say TM has endorsed the new and improved dog chow.

Jack is Back! (An Above Average Hoi Polloi)

Hmmmm.

It looks like Tom Harkin saved Clinton from having to sign that pledge in 1992. But it does raise the question, do they ask all parties and participants or only those hypocritical Republicans?

bolitha

Does Iowa matter?

narciso

So it looks like we might have President Kayani in the future, or more likely the sort of puppet represented by Leghari.


http://news.yahoo.com/associate-pakistan-president-had-mini-stroke-113940524.html

Melinda Romanoff

Grenade and gun attack in Liege, Belgium.-Breaking News

2 dead, 25 wounded.

This so sucks.

Danube of Thought

What Cecil and Clarice said.

I'm troubled by Newt's comment about Romney's tenure at Bain. Bernie Sanders would be proud of that one.

bolitha

Me, too, DoT. Newt should refrain from attacks such as that and concentrate on Obama and continue to be the genial grandfather and knowledgeable professor.

Jack is Back! (An Above Average Hoi Polloi)

Mel,

Place St. Laembert which is a very busy area downtown. Christmas market is there and that is why so crowded. Liege or Luik is a terrific little city famous of course for the Liege Wafel which are the sugar coated ones that you eat like a cookie.

Terrible news. Wonder who it is without preconcieved notions.

Melinda Romanoff

JiB-

Not many details, but the wounded count seems to going down at least. Attackers appear to be still on the loose. Orders have been given to remain inside, leaving shoppers stranded in stores.

www.breakingnews.com

Captain Hate

Agree that Newt should stay positive but he probably got tired of listening to the attacks making him sound comparable to the red nosed predator. Let that be the currency of the party of Weiner.

Melinda Romanoff

Drudge has it up now. Pakistani newspaper is already claiming that its in retaliation for a sentencing of parents involved in an honour killing.

Jack is Back! (An Above Average Hoi Polloi)

Isn't it funny that those damn Calvinists never learned how to throw grenades instead keep using the shunning technique?

Islam, the religion of cowards.

Jane

Fear of Newt's cheating on another wife . . . not so much.

And really - who would care? Clarice has it right.

Fox says one shooter captured, one committed suicide and one on the loose in Belgium.

Janet

Remember what Obama said, ""...Obama added, "Service to others; compassion to all; treating others as we wish ourselves to be treated -- those values aren’t just at the center of Christianity. Those are values that are shared by all faiths.""

So it is probably not connected with Islam.

Danube of Thought

Minus 19 at Raz today.

narciso

Mittens would agree with you, Janet, that is terrifying, if only they banned the use of grenades, wait, scratch that;

http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2011/12/12/an-open-letter-to-eric-holder-from-an-atf-agent-in-mexico/

Cecil Turner

I'm troubled by Newt's comment about Romney's tenure at Bain.

Well, I'll defend about half of that. Mitt's demand that Newt pay back the $1.6 million he took in fees for advising Freddie Mac is silly. It's a lame attempt to tar Newt with responsibility for the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac mess (completely illegitimately), and a cutesy stupid gesture he should be called on. Newt's parallel is perfectly appropriate, right up to the point he lambasts Bain Capital for laying people off. (And if his point was that his consulting work for FM was just as legitimate as Mitt's for Bain, even that would be appropriate . . . but if so, he needs to restate it.) But the bottom line is that this is a completely silly distraction, and Mitt started it. And yes, Newt was wrong to play along.

Jack is Back! (An Above Average Hoi Polloi)

Mrs. JiB tells me that the honour killing was ugly and that the girl was very young.

This is in Wallonia and they are much more liberal toward Islam than the Flemish (I am comparing Mao to Lenin here) and this could be a wake-up call on immigration and inclusion. But I doubt it.

Clarice

Janet, you have to read Politial talk--the group says they "will terminate" their NRDC membership. Remind them of that and ask to be notified when they do so.Perhaps you might explain that having lost your trust by their initial action they cannot expect you to take their word on future actions without verification.

Clarice

Oops, I meant NCRC

narciso

The first thing I though of, was Omar Nassiri's memoir, in which he worked with
the Securite de Estat, the Belgian security
services, but he was more GIA than any Harakat.

Appalled

If anyone finds that Newt is having an affair (and you know the usual suspects are looking), it will be investigated, and revealed. And it will hurt Newt. And it would, regardless of whatever pledge he took. So I don't see the big deal here. Newt is committing himself to upright conduct that he'd better be engaging in.

Gay marriage is an active issue in society, and a concern of the Iowa GOP electorate, since it was judicially opposed in Iowa. So there is nothing particulalrly noteworthy with that part of the pledge, either.

So, basically this story just gives folks the opportunity to point out that Newt has married three times, and has married his mistress twice. There is a character issue with Newt -- the recklessness, ego, and occasional seeming meanness -- that the marriage thing seems a part of. So this will not go away, as much as one wishes that this stuff stayed in the National Enquirer.

But, this story itself is no big deal, and just a hook for reporters to take a shot at Newt. From Newt's standpoint, I guess that can't be helped.

Jack is Back! (An Above Average Hoi Polloi)

More details from Mrs. JiB:

The honour killing happened 2 years ago (or so) and it involved the girl of around 18. She was killed by her brother accompanied by her sister and condoned by mom and dad. Horrific.

Interesting detail - they tried to force her to marry a cousin back in Pakistan via Skype! All downhill from there.

Appalled

I meant to say "judicially imposed" instead of "judicially opposed". Sorry -- that was a pretty big "sounds like" typo on my part.

Clarice

A wise often married man, Lord Goldstone who knew what he was talking about-said a man who marries his mistress creates an instance job opening.

Clarice

**INSTANT job opening** (Still on my first cuppa)

narciso

Yes, that is problematic on Newt's part, but the hair pulling tactics of Savage, and Beck
have just reached the point where Zombie Graham Chapman, pops in, and said that's too
silly in deed.

Captain Hate

I'm really tired of this "honour killing" scam by a bunch of rock worshiping savages. What "honour" is there in acting barbaric?

Cecil Turner

There is a character issue with Newt -- the recklessness, ego, and occasional seeming meanness -- that the marriage thing seems a part of.

But if he bit his lip and felt our pain, it'd all be okay? Sorry, no. Same double standard, slightly spruced up, and I'm still not buying any.

Jack is Back! (An Above Average Hoi Polloi)

His name is Nordine Amrani. Mrs. JiB reading the french language site and says he may have acted alone.

Jack is Back! (An Above Average Hoi Polloi)

Forgot: The reason they know his name is the idiot carried his passport with him.

Janet

Thanks, Clarice.

In Islam, does the sin of a family member taint the entire family? Does allah hold the whole family accountable?

Cecil Turner

Here's an interesting Newt perspective by Roger L. Simon. I disagree with some of it, but he's mostly got it (and it's certainly entertaining).

Clarice

Janet, yes the sin of a daughter, sister or wife--defined as picking her own husband or having an affair--taints the whole family and can be lifted only if a family member kills the woman.

Danube of Thought

"right up to the point he lambasts Bain Capital for laying people off"

That's the part that is crazy.

Janet

from Islam watch - "A woman who is either raped or commits adultery becomes the source of shame to her family. People will not marry her because she has been spoiled; she and her family becomes the object of gossip of everyone in the society; hence the entire family can lose prestige. No one would give a daughter to the brothers of that girl in marriage and no one would marry her sisters. The family and even the extended family are maligned and become outcasts. This can only stop if the family cleanses that stain with blood. The woman thus defiled must be killed even if she is a victim of rape."

bold mine.

Clarice

From the aptly named (today) Sunshine State:
A survey of 12 swing states that Barack Obama carried in 2008 now finds the president losing to both Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich there.

USA Today-Gallup -- polling registered voters in Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin -- found Obama trailing Romney 43-48, and Gingrich 45-48.

Because Obama is expected to hold the big states of California, New York and Illinois, he maintains a popular-vote advantage nationwide, where he leads Gingrich 50-44, and edges Romney 47-46.

But the Electoral College math would deliver the White House to Republicans if they can carry the swing states, as the USA Today-Gallup poll shows.

Even more heartening for the GOP is the poll's methodology. Surveys of "registered" tend to artificially inflate Democratic numbers. Scientific samplings of "likely voters" tend to produce more conservative, and accurate, outcomes.

Jane

Don't forget to buy your lightbulbs. I've been stocking up to a year which is good because just about everyone is out of them. If things get really bad we can go into the black market.

Captain Hate

Remember what Obama said, ""...Obama added, "Service to others; compassion to all; treating others as we wish ourselves to be treated -- those values aren’t just at the center of Christianity. Those are values that are shared by all faiths.""

Thanks for pointing this out, Janet; because it's just more of the witless off-prompter nattering that El JEFe does that would've passed unnoticed by me; particularly because the ambulatory bobble-heads in the MFM, whose job it is to point out howlers like this, breezily let it pass.

Clarice

Jane, I bought some, not $1K worth like a friend did though because I think sometime in 2012 it will be repealed.

I'm thinking of splurging on this thermomix which you can buy in Canada but not here (I think because it's fair traded). Virginia Postrel and countless chefs swear by it. I thought of you when I say this dessert with grey goose creme topping.http://www.ukthermomix.com/recshow.php?rec_id=89

narciso

This is disturbing, yet not terribly surprising, usually they get the Interior Ministry slot, as with Bayan Jabr.:


http://bigpeace.com/pschweizer/2011/12/13/what-is-an-ex-iran-guard-commander-doing-at-the-white-house/

centralcal

Lightbulb question (I am about to leave for work so won't read any replies till I get there):

Earlier this year I stocked up via Amazon and Instapundit on 100 watt bulbs, so I am covered there.

But have I been shortsighted? It occurs to me my recessed kitchen lighting with small spotlights and my china cabinet with even smaller spotlights might be something I also need to order quickly from Amazon. Are these specialty lights also being banned?

sbw

What happens if you buy incandescent bulbs in Canada and drive them across the border into the U.S.?

narciso

I think it's a hanging offense, sbw, at least recall what happened to the bootlegger in the Untoucahables

Melinda Romanoff

sbw-

Strip search.

Unless you convince the friendly customs agent that they aren't light bulbs but heat sources.

Clarice

CC, I think other wattages come later if at all..and I don't see how they can stop those little specialty bulbs--aren't they halogen or led anyway?


sbw, I can just imagine. In Norway a rainy season has cut the supply of butter at the holiday cookie making season and it's selling for $300 a lb. I'd recommend anyone who wants a free trip there fill his suitcase with Costco butter and peddle it there, but I read the authorities, instead of lifting imports of butter, just arrested a Russian who'd filled his car with butter and was driving it over the border.

MarkO

I've had two friends who each renewed their vows. Both filed for divorce within three months. It's not unlike the owner announcing that he fully supports his losing coach. Or, as in the old war movies, when a soldier takes out a picture of his girlfriend.

Melinda Romanoff

I use www.1000bulbs.com .

Don't allow the ad list to be sent though, they're very prolific.

Melinda Romanoff

Clarice-

Yesterday, Norwegian customs officers arrested a budding Russian Entrepreneur with 500 lbs. of butter.

I don't know how they poached him.

Clarice

Heh..One more pun and you're dead. *pow*

GMAX

found Obama trailing Romney 43-48, and Gingrich 45-48.

Notice both candidates have the same support. Zero draws a slight more from the "undecided" against Gingrich. Those folks will go for Zero eventually anyway.

And yes RV is much more favorable for Democrats. I would need to see the sampling to see if they were otherwise too favorable to Democrats as well.

Captain Hate

I've had two friends who each renewed their vows. Both filed for divorce within three months.

As much as I think keeping a marriage together is a praiseworthy thing worthy of celebration, I regard most of these as two people who wanted a good reason to host a party.

Captain Hate

off

Threadkiller

sbw, be sure to wear a turban when you smuggle the lightbulbs; no questions will be asked of you.

narciso
Appalled

Cecil:

But if he bit his lip and felt our pain, it'd all be okay? Sorry, no. Same double standard, slightly spruced up, and I'm still not buying any.

I don't know that I have ever seen any particular governing philosophy that adequately addresses when this stuff matters and when it does not. My instinct is that it ought not to do so, but that we the people want to know our candidates, to get some sense of what they'll do to us in office. So, the fact that the New York governor who preached civil virtue at Wall Street went down for using prostitutes, while the run of the mill Senator from Louisiana did not. In current tabloid fodder, I suspect if it were found Obama were having the gay love affairs alleged in the Globe, it would matter. If his wife is really getting it on with a Secret Service agent, it would not matter.

Clinton is a different matter then Gingrich. I don't think having an affair is a firing offense, but I'm not sure I'd hire you if I knew you were in the midst of one.

Danube of Thought

All the wattages less than 100 will also be phased out (working downward) but I'm not sure of the schedule. I got a lifetime supply of 100's, 60's and 40's through Amazon. The sellers are 1000bulbs and elight.

The 100-watters are 130 volts, which work just fine in a 120-volt system.

Bravo to the first GOP candidate who says "if elected I will ask the congress to repeal that cuckoo law."

Jane

Clarice,

Of course it was "Janie's tip" about the grey goose, altho I will say I might actually like Tito's more these day.

And I too think the lightbulb thing will be repealed but I'm not counting on anything.

narciso

What a strange land, we find our selves in, HG Wells would point out it took about 80,000
years to get in the circumstances we describe.

MarkO

narc, I saw that. Rush seems to think Obama is just not that smart. He didn't mention that he's a liar.

narciso

Well he figures 'the Constanza rule', in effect,

Gmax

According to SIFMA CEO (& former OTS head ) Tim Ryan:

Dodd Frank requires 235 new rule-makings by 11 different regulatory bodies. As of Dec. 1, regulators have finalized 74 of these new rules.

We need that many rules? Sheesh

Cecil Turner

Clinton is a different matter then Gingrich.

That's for sure. He had sex with someone for whom he was directly responsible; it started while she was an intern; it affected her employment; it was part of a pattern of abusive sexual harassment; it was part of a pattern of habitual marital infidelity; and he lied about it in court (and almost certainly suborned perjury from others as well, though that was never proven). Yep, gotta concur, there's not comparison whatsoever. Oh wait . . . you're saying the main difference is that he was already hired? Okayyyy . . . I guess that's different, too.

The big difference is the double standard. That and the fact the media will hunt for a popular Republican's dirt, and hide the Democrat's. There's simply no way to excuse Clinton's behavior, and try to make hay out of Newt's far less egregious sins. But that won't stop some folks from trying.

Danube of Thought

Raz:

Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney, earning his highest level of support to date, has edged ahead of President Obama in a hypothetical 2012 matchup.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey of Likely U.S. Voters shows Romney with 45% of the vote to Obama’s 42%. Seven percent (7%) prefer some other candidate in this matchup, while seven percent (7%) more are undecided.

Just win, baby.

narciso

WAy to miss the point, entirely, then again those that gave him this job,


http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/mpaa-head-chris-dodd-online-censorship-bill-chinas-model_611984.html

matt

what amazes me is that grenades are available in Belgium if you know the right people as are all sorts of other military explosives and firearms. It was the center of the illegal arms trade for many years.

What a GD coward.

I can just imagine some Brit driving off the ferry in Oslo:

"Sir, why is your air conditioning on when it is 4 Degrees outside."

"Uh, just got back from Tenerife, mate and keeping the feeling alive."

Gmax

You know who made the hiring decision? Yup folks like Apalled. That fact never seems to sink in however, instead we get hectoring ...

MarkO

No one hates free speech like a progressive.

Cecil Turner

Last week it was 42-40 Obama over Romney, and 45-43 Newt over Obama. This week it's Romney 45-42 and Obama 45-40 over Newt. Not sure what to make of it, except I doubt the actual numbers are shifting as much as the polling suggests.

Electability doesn't appear to be a very compelling argument. And it doesn't matter how Mitt would in the general as long as he can't break 20% in the primary.

Benjamin Franklin

Poor Mitt. He's just so cautious, he's out of sync. Even when he hazards a conviction, they drink his milkshake.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/election-2012/post/you-cant-trust-him-gay-vet-says-after-exchange-with-romney-in-nh/2011/12/12/gIQAAwnepO_blog.html?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost

"The exchange began when the GOP presidential candidate stopped at Chez Vachon in Manchester. Romney was in the restaurant campaigning with Manchester Mayor Ted Gatsas, who officially endorsed Romney here Monday.

While working the room, Romney spotted a man in a flannel shirt wearing a Vietnam Veteran hat and slid in next to him in a booth.

“Vietnam veteran!” Romney greeted Bob Garon.

“I have a question for you,” Garon told the former Massachusetts governor. “New Hampshire right now has some legislation kicking around about a repeal for the same-sex marriage. And all I need is a yes or a no. Do you support the repeal?”

“I support the repeal of the New Hampshire law,” Romney said. “I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. That’s my view.”

Garon, who lives in Epsom, N.H., and was eating breakfast with his husband, turned to Romney and said: “If two men get married, apparently a veteran’s spouse would not be entitled to any burial benefits or medical benefits or anything that the serviceman has devoted his time and effort to his country, and you just don’t support equality in terms of same-sex marriage?”

Sue

I think extra-marital affairs matter if you are president. I don't care who is boinking whom but if you are president you are subject to blackmail. If you don't care if your wife and the country find out, then fine, boink to your heart's delight. Otherwise, keep it corralled until after your term ends.

bgates

Yesterday, Norwegian customs officers arrested a budding Russian Entrepreneur with 500 lbs. of butter.

Too bad he didn't have any way to grease a few palms.

Sue

I heard a new classic Christmas song this morning. "I Saw Daddy Kissing Santa Claus..."

Captain Hate

and he lied about it in court (and almost certainly suborned perjury from others as well, though that was never proven)

And was disbarred for the lying. I think that bothered him more than the impeachment because, even though the legal world certainly wasn't suffering from the lack of participation of Bent Willy, a settlement allowed him to escape "guilty as hell and free as a bird" to coin the comments of another creep with sex issues.

pagar

"What Is An Ex-Iran Guard Commander Doing At The White House?"

Probably implementing the new State Dept plan to implement to insure that the only freedom of speech in America is controlled by the Islam laws of Sharia"


"Today the Islamized State Department will be meeting with the Islamic supremacist Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) to discuss strategies and develop action plans in which to impose the restriction of free speech (or blasphemy, as truthful speech about Islam is considered in Islamic law) under the Sharia here in America.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/a_shameful_state_department_initiative.html#ixzz1gR0TRuWK

Benjamin Franklin

Yup. Lowes is the wrong target...

http://floridafamily.org/

Dave (in MA)
Don't forget to buy your lightbulbs. I've been stocking up to a year which is good because just about everyone is out of them. If things get really bad we can go into the black market.
My wife has a big, honking lava lamp that she just bought. It takes a 100w small incandescent flood light to head up the liquid. None of the home centers around here have anything larger than 65w, but I managed to score a few at Amazon. Other than that I can get away with 60w in my other lamps until they make those illegal. I haven't found that the stupid pigtail Al Gore bulbs last much longer than the generic incandescents, but I can't throw them away so I'm collecting them in a bucket in the garage.
narciso

It's as if denial is an instinctual process, how else can you characterize the events in Lieges;


http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/12/12/muslim-anti-semitism-gutman-saudis/

Jim Miller

So far, the grenade attack in Belgium looks more like a spectacular ending for a petty criminal than a terror attack.

So far.

(I am guessing that the Telegraph, at least, will tells us if there really is an Islamic connection.)

Benjamin Franklin

"The attack has been extremely mean spirited. In a country that supposedly embraces free speech, those that oppose our postion have no qualms about destroying our free speech. Yet, these same folks claim the Internet should not be restricted in any way. How the two conflicting postions can be reconciled in their minds is beyond comprehension. "

'SELF' awareness, notwithstanding. 'Free speech', indeed.

Jack is Back! (An Above Average Hoi Polloi)

My Christmas Wish: That everytime, each of your visit a website that has the Alan Grayson ad, that you click on it but don't make the donation.

Thank you and God Bless.

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