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MarkO

I don't really mind class warfare, but my side doesn't seem to fight.

Captain Hate

There are few independent tax analysts who have much good to say about the Bush tax cuts.

????

Are they disappointed that they didn't produce enough work for them?

narciso
MayBee

Embarrassing.

Was that a campaign speech or official tax payer-funded business?

Ignatz

--There are few independent tax analysts who have much good to say about the Bush tax cuts.--

"Independent" being Beltway code for "guys I agree with who do not officially work for the DNC".
That's how the League of Women voters and the Sierra Club are described as "independent".

MayBee

It is indeed interesting to see Obama is getting "facts" from Think Progress.

Captain Hate

Preeners don’t get elected president.

Kazin is such an idiot. I couldn't read beyond that howler. Nice staff you have there, Marty.

peter

Blago gets 14 years. Which he could do standing on his hair.

GMAX

Certainly surprising?

Really

Not if you have been paying attention for the last three years, and even farther back as well.

~FR

Shorter WaPo:"YOU LIE!"

Who do we report Kessler to? #AttackWatch?

Jane

Sheesh I somehow wiped out a week's notes for my radio show. What do you guys think are the top stories?

Dave (in MA)
Three Pinocchios
I guess that makes Axelrod "Gepetto".

Any Red Eye Radio listeners?
It's going away.

Dave (in MA)

Just don't use the "T-word.

Captain Hate

Gepetto never used such an obnoxious comb-over. Doesn't Dave have anybody to tell him that it makes him look like a perv?

Dave (in MA)

At the risk of dating myself, I think he looks like Clyde Crashcup.

henry

OT, but I need a break from campaigns & lies.

About 40 years ago shortly after the release of "Tora! Tora! Tora!" my grandfather (a retired general) decided to take his grandsons on a educational vacation to Hawaii where he finished his career and my mother grew up. I was 12.

Part of the education was to see the difference between a movie and reality. We established base camp at my uncle's quarters on Ford Island (he was an active duty Admiral). We toured the facilities with my uncle explaining how the movie was filmed and what actually happened 12/7/41. My uncle then flew my two brothers and I around Oahu to get the proper perspective of events from the air -- he even did a touch & go at the airstrip on Ford Island to give us the close in view from the air.

The highlight of the trip for the adults was a dinner hosted by my grandfather's dear friend and neighbor Hung Wai Ching at his home on Mount Tantalus. Hung Wai Ching greeted us boys warmly, although we were confined to the terrace for the main event. While we tried to figure out what about Chinese food was actually edible, a couple adults came outside with martinis and cigars to "get some air".

They introduced themselves as Gen. Fielder and Adm. Christie. We knew who Gen. Fielder was from watching the movie, and he confirmed that Gen Short was exactly as portrayed. They were ordered by Washington to move all aircraft to the runways to avoid sabotage, even though they didn't expect any sabotage. He was definitely surprised when the Japanese planes arrived over Pearl Harbor. Adm Christie told us he worked with submarines during the war. We had seen an old John Wayne film about subs in the Pacific so asked the Admiral if they really had torpedo problems like in the movie, did they really put a broom on the mast when they sunk an enemy ship, and what was it like in a submarine? Adm Christie replied that yes they did that with the brooms, submarines didn't have much room to move around in, and the torpedoes must have worked since they sunk so many Japanese ships. After a while they went back inside to join the adults. Their visit made it a wonderful evening for us boys.

--- Given today is the 70th anniversary of Pearl Harbor, I was remembered this vacation and did a little searching on the participants. Of course the one I didn't look for was the biggest surprise. (links to follow).

Ignatz

The real story on how the irredeemably creepy Alec Baldwin got himself kicked off of an AA flight.

Captain Hate

At least Baldwin wasn't using his phone to berate and insult his young daughter.

henry

My grandfather, Lt General Henry S Aurandwas the last CG US Army / Pacific when he retired and remained in Hawaii. He was in DC coordinating Lend-Lease for Marshall when the war started.

henry

V Admiral Ralph Christie developed the magnetic proximity heads for torpedoes. He was commanding a group of US subs supporting the British in the Atlantic, and was ordered (with the subs) to Australia when the war started.

caro

Henry,what a magical childhood memory. Thanks for sharing it on this day.

Stephanie

On the Gingrich speech at RJC2012: Jen Rubin Tweets, “sitting next to @lynnsweet at #rjc2012. room is not exactly on fire for newt,” then follows-up later with “going to solve electability concern by challenging obama to lincoln-douglas debates…. Gingrich is always the smartest man in his own mind” and “gingrich is like a bad shakespeare production.. if he talks fast he hopes we think he’s very sophisticated”

Compare with Ben Smith from Politico: “[...] it’s standing room only for Gingrich here at #RJC2012,” or Legal Insurrection: “NewtGingrich hits a home run #RJC2012,” or Benjy Sarlin, who writes, “Romney did well with the audience at #RJC2012, but Newt is absolutely killing it.”

LUN

henry

Gen Kendall Fielder (then a Colonel) was the intelligence officer for internal security in Hawaii for General Short. I couldn't find him in Wiki, but my search-fu found this page. It turns out my grandfather's dear friend and neighbor Hung Wai Ching worked with Col Fielder before and during the war to protect Hawaiians from internment camps and to allow them to take up arms and defend their country. I never even suspected the kind friend of my grandfather had anything to do with the war (until yesterday).

Appalled

NRO tells us:

In his speech before the Republican Jewish Coalition, Newt Gingrich just pledged that, if elected, he would ask John Bolton to be his secretary of state.

I am not sure which is more irresponsible -- pledging who the Secretary of State will be more than a year in advance, or selecting this particular diplomatic Jacobin as the nominee.

At this point, even Santorum begins to look appealing.

Ignatz

Wonderful story, henry.
I recall watching a show on the Military Channel one time about just how bad our torpedoes performed especially early in the war. Airborne ones weren't any better; eg, Battle of Midway.
They got better later but basically we sunk a lot of ships cause we fired a lot of torpedoes.

Ignatz

So now a staunch conservative is the equivalent of a left wing radical revolutionary from 1790 France.

Is there no criminality or pathology that modern political conservatism can't be applied to?

henry

Ignatz, Fielder was laughing more robustly at that point, but Christie wasn't defensive about the torpedoes with us. Wonderful men.

henry

dang post eating software...

My uncle, V Admiral E P Aurand was a Lt and aviator aboard the Enterprise.

(Another) Barbara

Has it been 40 years since "Tora Tora Tora," Henry? Good lord. Two of the aviators who flew the faux Japanese attack planes in that movie were friends of mine. They had the time of their lives.

Thanks for the fascinating tale and the interesting links. My husband knew Hung Wai's brother, Hung Wo Ching, pretty well. Both brothers were big players here, of course, and started Aloha Airlines after the war. Wonderful company now lost to bankruptcy, alas.

Porchlight

Thank you for that fantastic story, henry. A great way to commemorate the anniversary today.

henry

My uncle never talked about actual combat during the war. This citation says enough:

The President of the United States of America takes pleasure in presenting the Navy Cross to Lieutenant Evan Peter Aurand, United States Navy, for extraordinary heroism in operations against the enemy while serving as Pilot of a carrier-based Navy Scouting Plane in Scouting Squadron TWO (VS-2), attached to the U.S.S. LEXINGTON (CV-2), in action against enemy Japanese forces over enemy-controlled waters near Lae and Salamaua, New Guinea, on 10 March 1942. Lieutenant Aurand pressed home, in the face of heavy anti-aircraft fire, a vigorous and determined dive bombing attack on enemy ships, sinking three of them. His outstanding courage, daring airmanship and determined skill were at all times inspiring and in keeping with the highest traditions of the United States Naval Service.

Action Date: March 10, 1942

Service: Navy

Rank: Lieutenant

Company: Scouting Squadron 2 (VS-2)

Division: U.S.S. Lexington (CV-2)

Appalled

So now a staunch conservative is the equivalent of a left wing radical revolutionary from 1790 France.

I don't find Bolton -- wanting fairly radical changes right now -- inherently conservative. That goes for others in the not-Romney class as well. I agree with George Will's quotable comment on Gingrich -- that he would have made a good Marxist. He doesn't have the inherent restraint that used to be part and parcel of Conservatism.

(Sorry, pledge violated.)

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

Whatever makes Bolton a Jacobin? He's always seemed sensible to me.

Danube of Thought

My father's stepfather, George D. Murray, commanded the Enterprise dyring the Doolittle raid and at the Battle of Midway. He ended the war as a Vice Admiral, and was awarded a fourth star upon retirement. He was the only "granddaddy" we knew, and he was a delightful, charming gentleman with a permanent twinkle in his eye. They stopped making that kind, I think.

henry

A(B), what a small world it is! Flying the faux attack does sound like fun. We flew Aloha to the big island the check out the volcano and Black Sands beach. The trip wasn't all education. : )

henry

Danube, They stopped making that kind, I think. I agree.

GMAX

Wow Henry, your uncle is an American hero. I am sure I speak for many here, when I say, thank him profusely for his service and sacrifice - we can not begin to repay the debt.

rse

LUN is especially for henry and ab. And anyone else who cherishes VDH insights and wants to read what he has to say about Pearl Harbor.

henry -I was going to get Red to read your story above when she gets home. She loves history. In 8th grade in private school the teacher decided she knew more about WW2 than the teacher and asked her to teach a class on D-Day.

Her generation, even at the 2 professional parents upper middle class bkgrd, knows virtually no history. So sad.

The college mindset on the previous thread I posted earlier is not your alma mater henry. It's its archrival. I suppose that's why final exams had to go unless prof petitions for permission.

Porchlight

JOMers are so fascinating.

mikey

My dad has a unique Pearl Harbor story. He was stationed at the Army barracks on December 7th 1941. He was walking across the compound that morning after playing handball with a lieutenant when the planes flew overhead. As my dad waved at the planes the lieutenant said "those arent ours"

True story

Porchlight

henry,

Here is your uncle on ebay, just in case you don't have these photos/memorabilia. Neat.

My uncle was made rear admiral in 1969, and retired VADM and lived in DoT's neck of the woods for many years. I bet there are many mutual friends among JOM military folks and their relatives.

Rick Ballard

Jim Rhoads,

Bolton's honest appraisal of the tranzi trash currently littering the RICO operation known as "international diplomacy" marks him as a dangerous radical among naifs who believe[d] that Obama possessed ability of some sort. You're just not sufficiently misthreaded to be able to hold your head at the angle required to see the "truth".

Ignatz

Geez, between DoT and Henry, JOM relatives practically won the war in the Pacific.
My uncle played a rather smaller role as a Marine island hopping from beachhead to beachhead and Nipponese infested tunnel to tunnel.

Clarice

wow, Henry! What a great story.Bolton, a Jacobin? hy, cause he put his hands on his hips and talked tough to some dolt in the Department instead of inviting him to use the comfy chair?

This fits in with my notion, that foreign affairs, not ethanol or kindergarten curricula , are the main concern in presidential candidates .

GMAX

Things go so well for Zero that is taking a little well deserved R & R

Wait what? He has cancelled the Hawaii vacation? Go ahead and try to spin this one media, I will wait.

Ignatz

--I don't find Bolton -- wanting fairly radical changes right now -- inherently conservative.--

"Conservative" does not mean desiring to conserve whatever left wing trash has been erected in place of common sense and traditional American values and policies.
It is exceedingly conservative to desire to do a thorough cleansing of the Foggy Bottom stables to rid it of the marginally pro American and occasionally outright anti American dimwits who have been running it for decades. And they quite often run it in open defiance of the President they are supposedly serving, almost invariably a conservative Republican one.

henry

Thanks for the link rse, that is a fascinating insight for today. We did a trip with my grandfather pretty much every year. The year before Hawaii we went to Gettysburg where my grandfather taught us all about the battle, the Civil War was the main study at West Point when he was there. Unfortunately, Ike was feeling under the weather so my brothers and I didn't get to go to that dinner. Plus, in the run up to WWII my grandfather was quartered in a houseboat at Anacostia. One of his neighbors was Patton. He took us to the premier of that movie and had lots of comments and inside info (as Normandy Base Section Commander he had his own run ins with Bedell Smith, plus a few with Patton over the ability to get gas to a rapidly advancing group of tanks).

(Another) Barbara

Chilling, VDH's comments re the parallels between then and now.

I'm too old to give much thought to saving my skin, but sometimes I am grateful that my children have all departed Hawaii to settle on the mainland and that my grandson and his wife intend to leave soon. One night, some time back, I couldn't sleep and at 2 a.m. turned on a cable channel just in time to hear some asst. sec'ty to the third asst. sec'ty of defense say to an interviewer: "Well, we always worry about Hawaii because in any aggression from Asia, it would be their ideal site for destruction, just to demonstrate they mean business.

lyle

I read and love this blog and its marvelous group of commenters but...Bolton as a Jacobin? Are you out of your mind? There aren't 50 people put together at State that have the nads to speak realistically about world affairs. Jacobin? What ridiculous corner of your mind did you pull that one from?

pagar

My guess is that John Bolton would put an immediate end to this Obama Regime insanity.

"Obama Administration to Slash Foreign Aid

"WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Obama administration will begin considering how countries treat gay and lesbian citizens when making decisions about allocating foreign aid, an official familiar with the decision says.

Posted by: Neo | December 06, 2011 at 11:51 AM
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Henry, What an outstanding hero and great post for an important day for our nation to remember. GMAX says it well in his 03:34 PM message.

Clarice

I spoke this weekend with a young friend who's working in China. He says the Chinese think Obama is a weak, fool who they can push around. Yeah, AB. Perilous times.Except that their economic fate is tied to ours at the moment.

Clarice

Jane, I'd certainly put O's trip cancellation or postponement on my list. There's no explanation for it except Romney caught him out.

The Bolton story is also a good one, at least if you accept my thesis that foreign affairs and defense are the most important things we can look for in a President as those are areas in which he has a relatively free hand.

Clarice

lyle, appalled often posts idiotic things, but I agree, that one was a lulu.

Hi! Stick around.

henry

Porchlight and JOM Texans, a little trivia. Admiral Aurand is Sam Houston's great grandson and attended your sesquicentennial. (My grandfather married twice, and I am not a descendant of Houston).

Jack is Back! (An Above Average Hoi Polloi)

henry,

Great legacy to share but even better to own. Follow up on Porch's link to ebay. Go to my LUN to understand the value of family legacy and maintaining it.

Now, back to Pearl Harbor 70 years ago. This is from Boortz this morning:

Chester Nimitz gets the assignment from FDR to get his a** over to Hawai'i and arrives on December 24th. Goes right to work inspecting the various installations, the harbor, the damage to ships and planes and other infratructure. He's on a pilot boat looking everything over in the harbor and the helmsman (as some E types are wont to do) asks the Admiral what he thinks and sees. Nimitz says there are 3 things the Japanese battle attack missed or "God was good to us today".

According to Nimitz those 3 mistakes by Japan were as follows:

1. They attacked on a Sunday - a day in which 9 of 10 sailors on those ships were on shore for leave or liberty. If they had attacked on Monday or Tuesday the death toll would have been 38K instead of 3, 800.

2. The Japs didn't attack or bomb the dry docks. As such, Nimitz was going to be able to save significant time in salvaging the ships in shallow water and get them repaired there instead of moving them all the way back stateside. Significant time savings to get us back on the offensive.

3. Most importantly, all the ships and airplane fuel was stored in above ground tankage on the other side of the first range of hills/mountains and was not destroyed. Had the Japanese gone after those tanks it would have taken an untold amount of time to get ships and planes fueled and into battle.

As a result of those 3 mistakes, Nimitz and the Navy were able to mobilize men, equipment, materials and supplies to rehab the ships and get underway toward the south pacific in a much quicker manner than the Japanese expected.

And I guess henry's grandfather and grand-uncle were there as members of that remarkable effort.

Benjamin Franklin

"lyle, appalled often posts idiotic things, but I agree, that one was a lulu."

lol. He's not sufficiently slavish and subservient. Those incentives are displayed with enthusiasm !

lyle

Thanks, Clarice. I'm here almost every day. Just don't comment that much. I roughly subscribe to the internet corollary of the Demosthenes dictum: Do not speak unless you can improve the silence.

Thomas Collins

If a candidate has concluded that a particular individual would be a good choice for a particular Cabinet position, I applaud that candidate, whether Gingrich or anyone else, for being candid about his or her intention to nominate that candidate. There is nothing at all irresponsible about candor in the type of folks who will be staffing important positions. As far as the substance of Bolton's positions, I happen to think that a Bolton type of foreign policy better keeps Global Peace than the Global Peace crowd. But anyone who disagrees now has a good indication of how Gingrich plans to run foreign policy.

I have to admit that I am amazed at the vitriol Gingrich has generated, not only at JOM but in certain corners of the conservative mediasphere. We would not have had welfare reform and the brakes put on the Clinton Administration without Gingrich. I have read much about how Gingrich's flameout as Speaker should be a cautionary tale. I don't think enough attention has been paid to Gingrich's successes. If we really are serious about entitlement reform, we might consider carefully whether we want the man who brought us welfare reform or the man who brought us MassCare.

Clarice

From Taranto BOTW:
Two Papers in One!

"Theodore Roosevelt has now brought out and matured his doctrine of Socialism. . . . We have called it super-Socialism. . . . The trouble is that after a little there would be nothing to confiscate. And that is the vice, the hollowness, the sham of Mr. Roosevelt's Socialist doctrine. . . . The American people are far too intelligent, they have too much common sense to be deluded by the shallow sophistries of the Roosevelt Socialism. But the Colonel had to do something, his party was going to pieces."--editorial, New York Times, Sept. 30, 1913
"Mr. Obama spoke in the same town where Theodore Roosevelt issued his call for a square deal in 1910. In demanding 'a new nationalism,' Roosevelt supported strong government oversight of business, a 'graduated income tax on big fortunes,' an inheritance tax and the primacy of labor over capital. For that, he was called a socialist and worse, as Mr. Obama observed, having endured the same. Mr. Obama was late to Roosevelt's level of passion and action on behalf of the middle class and the poor"--editorial, New York Times, Dec. 7, 2011

Benjamin Franklin

Now, we're talking. Even as we speak the reformed K street gangster
is fluffing his book sales with redemptive self-awareness. lol.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/world-us-canada-16079356

"Thousands of demonstrators have shut down part of K Street in Washington DC, known as the home of lobbying in the nation's capital.
Under heavy rain, police blocked off part of the downtown street during the protest which has been peaceful so far.
Occupy Wall Street has been protesting against corporate greed and the role of money in politics for several months.
In San Francisco, police arrested 70 people during an overnight raid on that city's Occupy encampment.
Demonstrators there were given five minutes to gather their belongings before police took down about 100 tents.
On Tuesday, Occupy DC protesters were joined by activists from around the country as they sat outside the offices of House and Senate members.
Demonstrations took place outside the offices of House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, both Republicans."

Clarice

It's walk back week--Seblius just overruled the FDA which wanted to make morning after pills available OTC.
http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/abortion/197825-sebelius-overrules-fda-blocks-access-to-plan-b

Appalled

Clarice:

Obviously we disagree about what is idiotic. But good manners suggests that I not do a tu quogue colloquy on this. Besides, it's been a while since you have unholtersed the dread pistolas.

pagar

Amazing the things you can do on the internet.

"I understand you can even hold meetings online now!"

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/12/07/why-government-administered-fairness-beats-the-market/

Read the link--You'll enjoy it.

Rick Ballard

TC,

The impeachment of the Perjurer in Chief left a mark. I'm more amazed today about the Colorado polling showing Newt doing better than Mitt with women to an even greater extent than he did in Iowa, South Carolina and Florida. I can accept both c-c and Barbara's rationale for a good portion of the antipathy but I'm still amazed at the level. It makes me want to see Michigan numbers.

(Another) Barbara

I have to admit that I am amazed at the vitriol Gingrich has generated, not only at JOM

I don't see where you get that, TC. You can count on the fingers of one hand (even if you've lost your baby finger to the Yakuza) the JOMers who don't favor Gingrich over Romney. The three or four of us who see Newt's nomination as a certain loss next year have put forth our reasons in a respectful and non-combative way -- or else have remained silent on the topic most of the time. You don't go to war when you are outnumbered 50 to 1.

Sue

Sheesh. I'm going to have to make up some kind of family story to compete around here. I got nothin' to brag about.

Except for a father that never served but loved the military so much that he could have taught WWII history. And he passed that love of the military on to me.

Henry, I loved your grandfather's story. I said it before, I'll say it again, what an awesome bunch of people we have here.

Sue

(A)B,

Well, yeah, I do and did. Herman Cain ring a bell? ::grin::

Dave (in MA)

Lizzie from Oklahoma Coakleyed a softball question at the D-debate this week.

Sara

He was the only "granddaddy" we knew, and he was a delightful, charming gentleman with a permanent twinkle in his eye. They stopped making that kind, I think.

That is how I would describe Rear Adm. Tom Hamilton, who was the XO on the Enterprise during the War. I think that whole generation of military leaders were cut from a different cloth.

Clarice

Let me put it more nicely then, appalled: things I CONSIDER idiotic. Anyway, that is closer to the truth than the original post.

henry

Thanks everyone! JiB good advice. Both my grandfather and uncle transferred their papers to the Eisenhower Library where they are intact for all. (My uncle was Ike's naval aide, and grandfather served under Ike in Europe). My cousin has my uncle's personal things which she will pass to his grandchildren. My mom and older brother have most of my grandfather's things.

MoodyBlu

AB:
Thanks for the fascinating tale and the interesting links. My husband knew Hung Wai's brother, Hung Wo Ching, pretty well. Both brothers were big players here, of course, and started Aloha Airlines after the war. Wonderful company now lost to bankruptcy, alas.

My cousin was a captain with Aloha and really misses flying there. He still lives on the islands with no desire to fly anywhere else.

Sara

Geez, between DoT and Henry, JOM relatives practically won the war in the Pacific.

Isn't that the truth? My Uncle was a nobody during the War, but his proudest moment was being with MacArthur when he returned to the Philippines.

I was watching a Pearl Harbor special last night and the thing I took away from it was the determination and the anger those old sailors who survived the two waves of attack talked about. Within minutes of the first attack, that anger took over and even in the midst of horrible death and destruction, they were fighting back with whatever was available, even WWI carbines. Many heroes came out of that time. Ordinary men called upon to do extraordinary things and who stood up to the challenges thrown at them.

Henry what a great story and great memories.

MoodyBlu

Appalled,

I have actually learned more than a few things from some of your postings. Just wondering, with the post about Bolton, what were you doing with your free hand?

Jane

Clarice,

Thank you. I leave my notes open for the whole week often putting down nuance until early Thursday AM when I prioritize everything and make an outline. I often don't have to look at it much, but today when I realized my notes were gone I couldn't remember a thing that happened. It may have been panic.

I began my rehab by going back at Insty, and then on and on. I still don't know what happened to the notes.

Henry, that was spectacular. Thank you. You know the best part of all that happened in Wisconsin this year is you started posting.

Tonto

Hey! I see from the previous thread that Captain H. (JUST like Santa, only different) is coming to town. Any NYC-area JOMO tribers
interested in meeting at one of the city's swanky (or not-so-swanky) watering holes over the holidays to share a drink and war stories?

If so, I'll try to pull it all together.

Tonto

Benjamin Franklin

"Just wondering, with the post about Bolton, what were you doing with your free hand?"

See, Appalled? Imagine the rewards for your efforts. Mind boggling, ain't it?

Ignatz

--You can count on the fingers of one hand (even if you've lost your baby finger to the Yakuza) the JOMers who don't favor Gingrich over Romney.--

Well, I favor Newt over Romney but that hasn't stopped me from sending my share of vitriol Newt's way.
Newt is a polarizer who engenders controversy and a love hate thing..
Mitt is a dead battery who engenders a certai.......zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

(Another) Barbara

My cousin was a captain with Aloha and really misses flying there. He still lives on the islands with no desire to fly anywhere else.

Oh it was a sad, sad day when Aloha took off on its last flight, Moody; we all wept. My family has close ties with its competitor, Hawaiian Air, but didn't matter -- Hawaiian's employees grieved for their friends and colleagues at Aloha. Aloha was brought down by Mesa Airlines, so we've all vowed never to use Mesa even if we have to ride donkeys, crawl, swim or stay at home.

Ignatz

I personally find appalled one of the most valuable posters here.
He actually does provide context and real, personal opinions and thoughts and discusses them intelligently and respectfully.
He's a perfect example of a swing voter who just wants things to work. I'm not sure why anyone would think the left has ever done anything that works, but viva el differentio, or something.

glasater

Thank you, Henry, for telling your family story.

I get so choked up when I see photos of veterans at Pearl Harbor. They were so young December 7th 1941.

Jane

What is wrong with the republicans? They propose tying the payroll taxcut to the Keystone pipeline and Obama says "no" so they move on. Pass the damn thing and then blame the veto and lack of tax cut on Obama!

Clarice

US News
Building on pro-gay policies put in place by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, President Obama today ordered overseas federal agencies to fight local anti-gay violence and provide asylum to homosexuals seeking protection. Obama said, "I am deeply concerned by the violence and discrimination targeting LGBT persons around the world -- whether it is passing laws that criminalize LGBT status, beating citizens simply for joining peaceful LGBT pride celebrations, or killing men, women, and children for their perceived sexual orientation." His order was immediately praised by the Human Rights Campaign, the nation's top lobby for gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgenders.

***

Does this mean free, expensive AIDS treatment for the world? If I were living in the ME you can bet I'd claim to be LBGT to get in here.

(Another) Barbara

Well, I favor Newt over Romney but that hasn't stopped me from sending my share of vitriol Newt's way.
Newt is a polarizer who engenders controversy and a love hate thing.

That's not vitriol, Iggy. Vitriol is a comment I saw on another site where a guy said he was likely to vote as you would "even though Newt's a mean, dirty, twisted little freakball." Made me laugh. He thinks what the GOP needs right now is a M.D.T.L.F.

caro

Jane,my thoughts exactly re: Keystone. Sheesh.

caro

Also,Jane,Cain's suspension of his campaign is news from the week.

A sad victory for the other side.

Captain Hate

As somebody who once encouraged Appalled to kill himself, I think he provides an honest contrarian viewpoint. He often can seem infuriatingly obtuse (see above) but more often comes up with unexpected nuggets of value.

Clarice

Jane, keeping a tax cut without upping revenue is a shell game because it means the entitlements are going to be even greater in the red. That's principled. When people who pay only FICA, no income tax, find the bill has been upped, who do you think they'll blame. (Hint:Most of them think he can pay their gas bills, mortgage and make their stupid kids smart.)

narciso

I've had my issues with Appalled, once or twice, dubbing him Markinson, after J.T. Walsh's character in a Few Good Men, because
I try to figure out where he gets these firm
opinions, from.

Clarice

Also, Jane for the show--F & F and the money laundering part of it.

Jack is Back! (An Above Average Hoi Polloi)

Tonto,

We are in the City 16th to 18th before driving out to Southampton. Have dinner with friends on 16th . Hard to do more than quick drink since Frederick is with us. Staying mid-town near Rock Plaza.

Clarice

Perry calls Hot Air "Hot Gas".

And from the WSJ:
Newt Gingrich has opened up dominating leads in three of the first four nominating states and is now within striking distance of Mitt Romney in his prime redoubt of New Hampshire, according to a new Time/CNN poll. With just three weeks before the first ballots are cast, the poll is the most vivid illustration so far of the extraordinary surge of support for the former House speaker, and the continued ebbing interest in nearly all other candidates except for Mr. Romney.

Ignatz

--He thinks what the GOP needs right now is a M.D.T.L.F.--

Hmm, Binged MDTLF and the first result was MD Plumbing and gas fitting.
Is this guy advocating the RNC reactivate Liddy and the plumbers?
Seems unnecessary with an even bigger lefty fool than McGovern running for the Dems.

matt

Spent the day up to my waist in the Petrohue River in Patagonia fishing for trout. Querida actually beat me, but who cares?

One country which still has a large part of its population that still respects America is Chile.Wonderful people and country.

Thanks for sharing all of your memories on December 7, 1941. It's hard to believe it was 70 years ago today. There were 120 veterans of that day present at the muster, I read. They're fading fast, and no, they don't make them like that any more.

Ignatz

Thanks for that Taranto quote, Clarice.
What a delicious comparison, using the Times' own words to shred not only Barry but the sycophantic rag the Times has become.

Ignatz

--One country which still has a large part of its population that still respects America is Chile.Wonderful people and country.--

Hey if you see any nice Chilean timberland for sale cheap [emphasis on cheap] let me know, matt.

(Another) Barbara

Hmm, Binged MDTLF and the first result was MD Plumbing and gas fitting.

It was "mean, dirty, twisted little freakball" from the sentence preceding the initials. Not that our party couldn't use a Plumbing and Gas Fitting candidate too, probably.

Captain Hate

I think my first encounter with a conspiracy theory was in Father Hate's American Legion magazine with an article on Pearl Harbor suggesting that FDR willfully ignored the large number of planes required for the attack for whatever twisted reason (I think it was to overcome resistance to enter the war). At the time to a youth it seemed plausible (certainly more so than the likes of Rosie O'Besity's fire can't melt steel utterances) but iirc there were a slough of articles debunking it.

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