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matt

The Times has never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

Captain Hate

Walter Duranty was unavailable for comment

Melinda Romanoff

Groucho unavailable for comment.

bgates

Interesting word choice, "vigilante" - someone who illegitimately performs a government function.

Like determining what the truth is.

Charlie (Colorado)

Interesting that comments are no longer being accepted.

Jack is Back!

ChaCo,

You're using the wrong post code. Try 10024 and you'll be able to post comments all day.

Jane

Charlie,

People sent you a bunch of love and condolences in another thread if you missed it. I hope you are doing okay.

jimmyk

Ha, JiB, it does seem that way. The commenters seem to view "truth vigilante" as a term for "one who attacks Republicans."

Several have pointed out Romney's "lie" about Barry's apologizing ways, because, you know, he hasn't literally said "I apologize."

NK

Link to an interestng wire story; 2006 Fed meeting transcripts are available. The story has very short exerpts but a link to the entire transcript. I will read tonight. One short exerpt: in 2006 Turbo Timmie sees no housing risk-- figures: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/update-fed-2006-transcripts-bernanke-before-the-housing-debacle-20120112-01036

Ignatz

--On my list of things that will never happen I include a Times reassessment of their non-coverage of Obama's evolving story about the Obama-Ayers relationship.--

On Planet Time's, making assertions of false facts about Republicans when it counts is exactly equal to ruminating post hoc about not doing any fact checking on Dems.

Ignatz

Oops. Appears I used a superfluous apostrophe.

Danube of Thought

Herbert Matthews was unavailable for comment.

NK

Completely moot discussion. NYT editors wouldn't know the truth if it bit them on the ass.

Ignatz

Most lefties I've met would be perfectly comfortable having the Times fact check both sides equally.
They actually believe they deal in reality and those they disagree with don't.

That they are afforded this idiotic conceit precisely because their sources of info never actually do fact check their lefty pals is apparently one of those facts which is incapable of penetrating their skulls.

Jane

Remember Gerald Walpin, the IG who got fired over the Obama Americicorp scandal? WEll they have now cut that IG's office funding by 75% so the investigation can't go forward. Must be some real dirt on Obama there.

Of course the media doesn't care.

Ignatz

And as a corollary to my 2:03, I believe it actually places lefties at a disadvantage and conservatives at a comparative advantage in the battle of ideas, that conservative ideas must run a gauntlet of both false and factual criticism to survive while lefty ideas which should have emerged still born live long dysfunctional lives incubated and nurtured in the hothouses of their uncritical, unexamined minds.

Porchlight

Imagine the number of pages it will take future historians to chronicle the lies, cover-ups, thuggery and outright criminal activity of this administration. A Samuel Eliot Morison would have a difficult time compiling and cross-referencing it all.

NK

MelR-- the children at ZeroHedge noted today's lousy 30 year auction and Bill Gross's reaction. Time to panic about THE END?

Melinda Romanoff

Wasn't a lousy auction at all, IMO.

Those comment threads are the chatrooms of the Ronulans.

NK

MelR-- it looks like major Fed 30 year Bond buying at that rate; correct?

Ignatz

What was Haley Barbour thinking?

jimmyk

Iggy, I'd like to think you're right in your 2:08, but that seems to presume that the truth somehow asserts itself. It may eventually, but not necessarily in our lifetimes, and then only if we survive as a civilization.

Captain Hate

Congrats Iggy; you found a Poppin' Fresh post without an "in fairness" clause. I posed your question earlier in the week. I think he has the right to do it but I think it was highly ill-advised. I understand developing an appreciation for the content of somebody's character through interactions but this is dumping on the verdict of juries for horrendous crimes, none of which seem to be in question. I don't know why one of his advisers didn't give him a WTF head's up on this.

Ignatz

That Warren Buffet guy is pretty clever.
He whines that he needs to be taxed more and after Mitch McConnell says if he's so worried about it he can contribute more anytime he wants, Warren brilliantly counters that he'll match any amount Republican lawmakers contribute.
Since the Republicans are saying we don't need more taxes while he is, Buffet's response is not only idiotic it's a non sequitor.

Ignatz

--Iggy, I'd like to think you're right in your 2:08, but that seems to presume that the truth somehow asserts itself.--

Jimmy,
I don't know when or if the truth asserts itself, but my point was that conservative arguments become inherently stronger through the rigorous gauntlets they run. And conversely lefty ones are inherently weak because they don't.
That doesn't mean conservative ones will win and lefty ones won't but IMO, there is considerable implicit importance and satisfaction in holding strong and tested positions rather than mindless, worthless ones regardless of whether others hold them or they triumph.

Captain Hate

Warren again proves that making large amounts of money is not necessarily a sign of intelligence or being a good person. No wonder he stiffs his secretary.

Frau Schneeschaufel

OT - Major snowfall in Alaska. Where is daddy? Will mama stay home with the girls? This from Drudge:

"Anchorage schools were open Thursday, but some school bus routes were canceled because of whiteout driving conditions. It mainly affects students living south of Anchorage and buses that must use the Seward Highway."


Ignatz

--I understand developing an appreciation for the content of somebody's character through interactions but this is dumping on the verdict of juries for horrendous crimes, none of which seem to be in question.--

No kidding, CH. Our pastor has developed a fairly close relationship with Tex Watson who is imprisoned near here and who apparently had a real conversion to Christ over 35 years ago, but I doubt he'd pardon him.
Is there some evidence the first degree murderers still in prison had done something to warrant a pardon besides acting like nice guys when it suited their purposes?

Danube of Thought

Buffet's ordinary income is taxed at the highest marginal rate. His capital gains income represents appreciation of assets he originally acquired with income that had already been taxed at ordinary income rates.

How hard is that to grasp? How hard is it for some Republican--any Republican--to point this out and shut that old fool up?

Ignatz

--OT - Major snowfall in Alaska.--

Wish he'd send some this way.
So far this is the driest year I've ever seen in CA including our two terrible drought years of 1975-76.
I can see the mountains right in front of Tahoe which are at nearly 10,000 feet. Not a speck of snow visible on them. Our Yosemite property at 5,000' which ought to be inaccessible with 2 or 3 feet of snow is so dry I can drive right to it and a plume of dust follows me on all the dirt roads.
Pitiful.

Ignatz

--How hard is it for some Republican--any Republican--to point this out and shut that old fool up?--

Buffet promised to triple whatever McConnell donated.
By my reckoning ol Warren is about 5,000 times as wealthy as Mitch, so Mitch ought to see if Warren is willing to plunk down 10 or 15,000 times what McConnell does. After all Warren believes in progressive taxation right?
McConnell could probably plunk down a half million without too much sweat. Think Warren would ante up $7.5 billion with a smile? Me neither.

pagar

If it wasn't for out of control leftists, there wouldn't be near as much insanity.

"In other words, Obama is sending the Coast Guard to protect ships from his supporters."

http://weaselzippers.us/2012/01/12/report-obama-regime-sends-coast-guard-to-protect-ships-from-violent-union-goons-occupiers/

NK

Obama the Sap? we'll find out if McConnell's August calculation works or fails. 'Bam has formally requested another $1.2 T debt authority. House/Senate have 15 days (January 27th) to pass a joint resolution rejecting. The House will do so, unless there are significant spending cuts. Dirty Harry Reid will tie up the Senate so the Senate doesn't vote, and the $1.2 T debt will be issued ALL because of 'Bam. Will that help or hurt 'Bam in the election? we'll find out.

MarkO

"How hard is that to grasp?" Apparently a vast swath of the Repulican party doesn't understand taxes or the free market.

NK

BTW-- where is the MSM, Sully, Glenn Greenwald, and Project Pink (or whatever) shrieking that 'Bam and Panetta and Biden are all personally responsible for the jarheads pissin' on the AQ corpses.

Sue

NK,

I wondered that last night. I also wondered what the hell were they thinking? If you are going to do something dumbass like that, don't record it.

Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

For the record, I say "piss away".
Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

GMAX

I am green with envy. I would like to add to my bucket list, pissing on AQ ( dead or alive machs nix ).

Extraneus

Apparently a vast swath of the Repulican party doesn't understand taxes or the free market.

Jay Cost explained last week that almost half of Republican primary voters are uninformed. Extrapolate that to all voters, and then to all adults, and the fraction would surely dwindle quite a bit.

jimmyk

Maybe with some bacon wrapping or lard slathering as well?

NK

Sue-- I have nothing but the greatest respect for the Corps and its people. But the grunts are 19-22 yos, the 2nd lieus 22-24 yo, the sarges mid to late 20s-- they are all kids, and kids today video everything. They -- allegedly-- desecreated bodies of Taliban who snipe at them and plant IEDs that kill indiscriminately. The grunts broke discipline and showed the dark ugly face of war. This pales compared to what the Greatest Generation did to dead Japanese troops in the Pacific, but it is wrong and if true they'll be rightly punished. My question stands, where are the peace protests demanding the ouster or war criminals Obama, Biden and Panetta?

jimmyk

Someone could also point out the that Warren has contrived to make his taxable income a tiny fraction of his wealth, while most of us don't have that privilege (other than by actually reducing our true income). What a hypocrite.

Sara

For the record, I say "piss away".
Doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Me either.

Was it you who said Patton did the same thing?

Sue

NK,

I think they should be disciplined within the Corps, administratively. Stern letters in their files, whatever. Otherwise, I'm not too concerned over what they did. Just annoyed, like you, that the press is not blaming Obama and his administration.

Rick Ballard

"almost half of Republican primary voters are uninformed."

That's why the really nice people at the NYT are going to put so much effort into fact checking over the next eleven months. They want to use all their experience and knowledge to help uninformed people make the right decision.

Isn't that neat of them?

Porchlight

When a Republican is in the WH and someone in the military does something wrong, the Republican in the WH is blamed.

When a Democrat is in the WH and someone in the military does something wrong, the last Republican in the WH is blamed.

NK

Sue-- I wouldn't be so glib. Violating the rules or war is a big deal. The discipline on this matter will be handled pretty far up the chain of command; much further than usual because of the publicity.

NK

PS: there will be court martials, right or wrong; this won't be handled with a field NJP run by some major.

Captain Hate

NK is right; the brass will not be happy about this coming out and there'll be more hell to be paid than you would think it merits.

NK

CaptH-- unfortunately all true; and if the rear eschelon pukes get involved, they'll have these grunts up for wrongfully killing the AQ bastards.

Rick Ballard

Perhaps President Obama could invite the Taliban leadership to the White House for a beer summit? He could make a full apology, complete with bow, and then offer to share some pulled pork sandwiches as a gesture of respect. Maybe giv'em a two week Predator break to sweeten the pot.

jimmyk

It's true that these guys can and should be punished, since rules are rules. I think the "ok with me" comments are just questioning how seriously they should be punished.

It would be nice if the rules were motivated primarily, if not exclusively, by strategic considerations and not so much out of sensitivity to the feelings of AQ and their ilk. Yes, there's the argument that this could inflame them into retribution, or recruit more into their ranks, but I'm skeptical that's much of an effect on net.

NK

RickB-- given the Obamaniacs' moronic lack of protocol they probably would invite the Taliban for a BEER summit;

JimmyK- IF TRUE, the grunts aren't being disciplined for 'strategic considerations' they should be disciplined for self-indulgently breaking discipline and violating well known rules by desecrating enemy dead.

Rocco

Giuliani calls Newt Dumb and I agree!

Newt You Dumb Ass

matt

I have been waiting for Jimmy Carter to die so I can do the same as those grunts. But then, I think there's a long line of us.

jimmyk

NK, that's what I meant by "rules are rules." But presumably the rules are there for a reason.

centralcal

Where has Clarice been, lately? Prolly playing with her new cooking toy.

Anyway, saw this at Weasel Zippers (taken from the NY Post):

The Obamas have a busy weekend of movie watching lined up, according to sources. The White House has requested a print of the Margaret Thatcher biopic “The Iron Lady” for a screening. Star Meryl Streep is up for best actress at the Golden Globes on Sunday night. Meanwhile, Cuba Gooding Jr. — star of another historical film, “Red Tails” — told us at its premiere this week at the Ziegfeld that he’s expected at the White House tomorrow with co-stars including Terrence Howard for a screening there. Executive-produced by George Lucas, “Red Tails” follows a crew of African-American pilots in World War II.

Still curious to find out if there is a shot of AF1 in the movie!

Ignatz

--This pales compared to what the Greatest Generation did to dead Japanese troops in the Pacific, but it is wrong and if true they'll be rightly punished.--

If peeing on a dead guy rates a court martial these days then my uncle and the rest of his Marine pals who swept from HI to Okinawa would have been hanged by the neck until dead for what they did to not only dead Japanese but live ones.
How did they ever win with such rank ill discipline?

Ignatz

The ads for that Red Tails flick look pretty bad.
The effects I saw were like some lame animation from some Military Channel dog fight reject from ten years ago.

Thomas Collins

Too bad the progs don't show the same solicitude for babies about to be subject to partial birth abortion that they show for dead Taliban.

Jane

I took Jimmy Carter in the dead pool (among others). Is he close?

Ignatz

Steve Rattner, Barry's car czar defending Romney and Bain at CNBC.

Clarice

cc, right you are, but I've been checking in and around. I doubt that shot will make it in the film even if my suspicion about the overflight of NYC is correct.. C

NK

Ig-- the pacific 1942-1945 was a different world; your uncle and his pals were fine with the chain of command seeing as a 4 star Admiral (ultimately) told his sailors and marines "Before we're through with them the only place Japanese will be spoken is in Hell" and his standing orders were: "Kill Japs, Kill Japs, Kill more Japs." Taking gold teeth and scalps was easy when that's what you heard from the commanding Admiral -- William F. (Bull) Halsey, Jr.

NK

Clarice-- AF1-Red Tails; dang the cowards won't put in the movie. Course no doubt it WILL BE in the private screening for 'Bam. I detest that self-adoring SOB.

Ignatz

Are we a more effective fighting force because we dot the I's and cross the T's now?
Maybe, but then again maybe not.
Perhaps the scorched thrashing Germany and Japan got, and our more recent enemies have been spared, is part of the reason Iraq and Afghanistan have been such a prolonged problem in comparison and have such an excellent chance of returning to belligerency as soon as we leave.

Rick Ballard

Don't forget that BOzo is trying to make a bug out pay off with the Taliban to keep them from grabbing the reins from the current kleptocracy as soon as our last plane goes wheels up. He's trying to get them to hold off until after the election and this is going to raise their price.

They'd be as likely to keep the agreement as the Ali Babas in Libya are to lay down their arms in the civil war in Libya going on as a result of Obama's magnificent R2P efforts but that won't stop BOzo.

Barbara
The grunts broke discipline and showed the dark ugly face of war. This pales compared to what the Greatest Generation did to dead Japanese troops in the Pacific, but it is wrong and if true they'll be rightly punished.

Let's stop micromanaging this war, please. Our soldiers are enduring long deployments under difficult circumstances in some Godforsaken areas of Afghanistan with Taliban attacking them day after day. They see their comrades killed by IEDs (cause the Taliban can't shoot for sh*t) and they have to put on a brave face and carry on. If some get carried away and piss on the dead body of an AQ, so be it. Let the sergeant deal with it.

Captain Hate

The ads for that Red Tails flick look pretty bad.
The effects I saw were like some lame animation from some Military Channel dog fight reject from ten years ago.

I've never understood the fascination with Lucas, whose storylines are about as innovative as Vince McMahon's. In this case I assume he's taking genuine heroes and going so far over the top with them that anybody that knows the history will have to be taken to an opthamologist to have their eyeballs restored to their proper positions after excessive rolling.

Bill in AZ sez it's time for Obama/Holder murder trial in Mexico

"I have been waiting for Jimmy Carter to die so I can do the same as those grunts. But then, I think there's a long line of us."

I would add John Kerry, George Soros, and hopefully someone will erect a tombstone for the NYTimes. And maybe a beer garden in the middle of it all.

narciso

OT, I skimmed through the novelization for 'Act of Valor' that movie about the Seals
that Danube mentioned last night, sort of an antidote to the sentimental notion of the enemy, that earlier story suggests,

Extraneus

PBS documentary looks at Bill Clinton's career

“You’ve got to understand, at one time, there [were] at least 25 women per day coming through there trying to find him,” sais Paul Fray, Clinton’s campaign manager during his unsuccessful congressional run in 1974. “I’d tell them, 'He’s on the road, get out the door.' But, Lord, it was bad, bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.”

“He draws women in, and they are literally mesmerized by this man,” said Marla Crider, who was a congressional campaign aide to Clinton. “It was absolutely like fly on honey. And he needed that. He needed that kind of adoration.”

In my heyday I played lead guitar in rock bands and was a student government president (you might be as amazed as I was that there are student government groupies), so I think I'm qualified to ask: WTF were these women thinking? Bill Clinton???

I said the same thing about voters, so I obviously have a serious blind-spot. I just don't get it, and I guess I never will. Put me down with Stephen Hawkings.

NK

Barbara - personally a NJP from the units senior officer imposing loss of priviliges is probably a just punishment in order to keep discipline, but at the same time let the other marines know they are still combat troops that have to kill. It won't happen that way now.

NK

Ex-- don't know about the women but banker friends of mine (Gulfstream liberals) who paid big bucks to the '96 campaign and the to the Library/Foundation after 2000 for private dinner meetings all said they were mesmerized by his charm and genius. Who knows-- Queer as folk as the Brits say.

Extraneus

I don't know if those who can see the avatars can also see that Bill Clinton pic I posted, but is it common for people to have their teeth filed? Maybe that's the missing piece of information I need before I can understand this dirtbag's appeal.

rse

Delingpole's book Watermelons just came so I will post a review this weekend.

If anyone else gets the post-holiday crud that is floating around, do not wait until you cannot speak to go to the doctor. Being confined to a chair is conducive to researching or blogging but not to writing or undecorating the house. May have to turn the Carollers into a Valentines tradition at this rate.

Rick Ballard

I believe that teeth filing is an adjunct procedure performed after dehorning and the tail clip.

Ignatz

--WTF were these women thinking? Bill Clinton???--

Considering the numerous nutty women who sincerely want to marry imprisoned rapists it doesn't seem that odd there'd be plenty who would go for one who avoided prison.

centralcal

From a Drudge link, Obama in Iraq being a pr*ck:

After the talk, out of earshot from the soldiers and diplomats, he starts to complain. He starts to act very un-Obamalike, according to a U.S. embassy official who helped organize the trip in Baghdad.

He’s asked to go out to take a few more pictures with soldiers and embassy staffers. He’s asked to sign copies of his book. “He didn’t want to take pictures with any more soldiers; he was complaining about it,” a State Department official tells me. “Look, I was excited to meet him. I wanted to like him. Let’s just say the scales fell from my eyes after I did. These are people over here who’ve been fighting the war, or working every day for the war effort, and he didn’t want to take fucking pictures with them?"

narciso

The villains, are particularly savage and amoral, in this tale, one wonders how much of it will translate to the big screen, for their
way of dealing with plain clothed combatants, is nothing like Gitmo,

Captain Hate

That's not un-Obamalike; that's him to a T and when he's tired he lets his guard down. What's really surprising is that's a State Dept reaction; the guy must be a noob.

narciso

This isn't a terribly surprising revelation, despite it coming from Hastings, who often speaks with hydra headed tongue, this is what
often comes across to us, but the aura is certainly off the 'Lightbringer'

Extraneus

Considering the numerous nutty women who sincerely want to marry imprisoned rapists

My roommate in college (a Muslim, btw) raped the woman who became his wife, so I've tried to accept some level of understanding on that point, but ... Bill Clinton?

Anyway, I don't want to derail the discussion, but Bill Clinton? Bill Clinton???

I'll never get that.

matt

we all know he's deeply uncomfortable with the military and I am sure his personal feelings as a Chicago community organizer/political activist would have shown through quickly.

There have been numerous incidents of less than rapturous receptions in military settings.

He would like to take credit for things like the Bin Laden hit, but even there, he is uncomfortable with the necessity to take some lives.

This of course conflicts fundamentally with his authoritarian streak and desire to be followed unquestioned.Everything and everyone around him is a prop in the narrative.

He is deeply unpopular mainly for his policies, but I am not sure he can personally withstand the way the cracks in the facade are beginning to show.

His wife gets even snarkier press after she plays the role poorly while the drip, drip, drip of behind the scenes stories turns into a steady stream.

The multimillionaire machine made man and child of privilege is now trying to fan the fires of class warfare as his last hope and is alienating the same people who put him in office.

This almost calls for some Randy Newman....

Sara

Very different than W's Thanksgiving surprise for the troops in Baghdad at a time flying into that airport was extremely dangerous. That is what won my heart and what I will always remember when I think of GWB.

Bill in AZ sez it's time for Obama/Holder murder trial in Mexico

"he is uncomfortable with the necessity to take some lives."

hundreds, eventually thousands, of Mexicans hasn't bothered him a bit.

Gmax

This almost calls for some Randy Newman....

Did a saw off runt just walk into JOM?

"Short people got no reason to live..."

That Randy Newman? LOL

Captain Hate

Sara, you could tell how effective GWB's Thanksgiving surprise was to the troops because of all the caterwauling by the left to try to cast any negative implications on it. But but but it was a plastic turkey; it was all staged with a hand picked group that didn't hate Chimpy McHitlerburton. It flew in the face of their concept of soldiers like Lurch who hated the CiC and the country.

It must've ruined their whole Christmas winter holiday season.

centralcal

Not only that, Captain, you could always see the genuine affection and admiration expressed between the troops and W - in both directions. Always heartwarming and inspiring to witness.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

There are a number of you tube videos contrasting troop reaction to W's speeches with reactions to El Jefe. Guess which group curbs their enthusiasm?

Sara

Months after that event, we found out that our across-the-street neighbor was there for that visit and had several pictures to prove it.

Melinda Romanoff

Bill in AZ-

What's your schedule in March?

Travelers would like to know.

Melinda Romanoff

EX-

People with extremely chipped teeth get them filed, BTW, of which I would intimately know.

Marathon Man had a reason for me to squirm.

Porchlight

After the talk, out of earshot from the soldiers and diplomats, he starts to complain. He starts to act very un-Obamalike, according to a U.S. embassy official who helped organize the trip in Baghdad.

Wasn't there a photo op with the troops in Iraq early on in his admin where we all noticed how peeved and uninterested he looked? A commander was showing him something in the field and he couldn't have looked more annoyed and bored. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it was the same trip.

Clarice

I loved the obvious concern and affection Bush had for the troops and as long as I live I will detest those who did everything in their power to denigrate him and deny him credit for the good things he did and the outstanding character he showed in office.

centralcal

Amen, Clarice!

You know, whenever I think of Bush and the horrible toll of war, I am reminded of these lines from Morte d'Arthur (perhaps remembered in fragments): "Comfort thyself, what comfort is in me? I have lived my life, and that which I have done, may he within himself make pure. But thou, if thou shouldst never see my face again, pray for my soul. More things are wrought by prayer than this world dreams of."

Jim Miller

When American troops crossed the Rhine, Patton took a leak in the middle of the river. He had told his staff that he was going to do that, and so there were pictures taken of the event.

Crude, but not the same as using dead bodies for targets.

(Although the amount of attention this is getting is absurd, and the double standards infuriating. Can you imagine the same attention given to the latest Taliban atrocity against Americans?)

daddy

Re: Obama and US Troops:

From a new book:

"The book describes a visit to Baghdad:

"After the talk, out of earshot from the soldiers and diplomats, he starts to complain. He starts to act very un-Obamalike, according to a U.S. embassy official
who helped organize the trip in Baghdad.
He’s asked to go out to take a few more pictures with soldiers and embassy staffers. He’s asked to sign copies of his book. “He didn’t want to take pictures with any more soldiers; he was complaining about it,” a State Department official tells me. “Look, I was excited to meet him. I wanted to like him. Let’s just say the scales fell from my eyes after I did. These are people over here who’ve been fighting the war, or working every day for the war effort, and he didn’t want to take fucking pictures with them?"

 Ann

Amen, Amen, Clarice.

Obama is simply vaporizing the bad guys without a shred of due process and there is deafening silence. No transfers to Gitmo, no intelligence gathering cause they are all dead.

Yet, water-boarding created a massive backlash of outrage.

Now, it is peeing on a bad guy. What is the difference between peeing on a terrorist or throwing one over a ship out to sea....salt water?

If they are allowed to try and kill you first before you shoot back, the only fair thing to do is to let our soldiers pee first..doncha think?

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