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Ranger

“He’s not really a conservative. I mean, he’ll tell you what you want to hear. He has an uncanny ability, sort of like Clinton, to feel your pain and know his audience and speak to his audience and fire them up. But when he was speaker, he was erratic, undisciplined.”

Sounds like a typical university professor to me.

centralcal

American Spectator has a supportive article (for Newt) by Jeffrey Lord.

National Review has a supportive article (for Newt) by Melissa O'Sullivan.

Captain Hate

So has Drudge been smashing A-Cup lately?

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vnjagvet

Now the fnork has loosed the big guns. Bob Dole has just come out four square against.the Newt.

Captain Hate
Rocco

I'll support him if he wins but I'll never forgive him for his attack on capitalism.

cathyf
...he was erratic, undisciplined.”

Sounds like a typical university professor to me.

Depends on the discipline. I assure you that the University of Chicago doesn't give out physics phd's to just anybody. Erratic and undisciplined pretty much guarantees that you won't make it past the qualifier, let alone do a dissertation project and write the dissertation, and defend it in front of a UofC physics dissertation committee. Even if somehow you did, you'd never get through the post-docs without everyone in physics knowing that they didn't want to work with you.

Haven't you people ever seen The Big Bang Theory?

lyle

So has Drudge been smashing A-Cup lately?

CH, I take a lot of pride in figuring out your argot, but this one has me stumped.

Captain Hate

lyle, lyle lyle: A-C Ann Coulter

lyle

Facepalm

cathyf

I may be a girl, CH, but even I noticed that Ann Coulter is (rather spectacularly) NOT an A-cup.

Captain Hate

Not to worry; you're among friends

sbw

When you don't grok the jive you're so last week.

Captain Hate

Really cathyf? Got any links with visual proof? Because I'm not the first to use that moniker on her (it's tough being original).

lyle

Her Adam's Apple looks like a solid A-cup.

Sandy Daze

A Time for Choosing

The answer to this Republic Primary imbroglio is simple. There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.

Palin - Jindal 2012
Palin - West 2012

Palin 2012 + whomever. . .

ABO-OMG~~ABB-BMG,
Sandy

Sue

I hope Madonna does something really stupid during halftime.

sbw

Sarah's got my vote ... so long as it isn't:

Palin - Romney or
Palin - Gingrich or
Palin - Santorum or
Palin - Paul

Rocco

It's no surprise to me that Newt's a bigger boob than Ann Coulter.

Pete

Well we all know the piling on is a typical Democrat strategy that the beltway republicans also resort to if it means anyone threatens there man, Mitt. I am glad to see it for one reason. It puts a name on the enemy. They can hide no longer.

cathyf

This is probably going to get way TMI technical for ya, CH, but the typical American woman wears a bra that is at least one cup size too small and a band size several inches too big. The average woman Ann's shape would wear a 36-A and then be perplexed with the entire failure in brassiere engineering that results. Ann looks like she's wearing a 34-B, or maybe even 34-C. To good effect.

An A-cup is really small -- not very many girls past about 12 or 13 really fit in one. Someone truly an A-cup is pretty much in the bra-optional league.

I assumed that the moniker was deliberately ironic, but maybe it's just guys mouthing off about things that they know nothing about.

Captain Hate

I hope Madonna does something really stupid during halftime.

I think it's only a question of degree of stupidity and will it offend Roger Goodell (please please please; I don't ask for much).

Sandy Daze
This idea — that government was beholden to the people, that it had no other source of power — is still the newest, most unique idea in all the long history of man’s relation to man. This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.


You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man’s age-old dream–the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order — or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path. Plutarch warned, “The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits.”


OMG~ABO--BMG~ABB,
Sandy

Captain Hate

I assumed that the moniker was deliberately ironic, but maybe it's just guys mouthing off about things that they know nothing about.

And the initials thingy....

matt

another win fr the hard core atheists. It's not surprising with an airline based in Seattle. LUN

There's a hole in it, Dear Liza.

So what was the bucket all about, Newt?
===============

lyle

I assumed that the moniker was deliberately ironic, but maybe it's just guys mouthing off about things that they know nothing about.

Considering what part of the anatomy the bra supports, the cliche of "guys mouthing off" seems a bit inapt.

Dave (in MA)

OT: Awww, that's so sweet.

Sandy Daze
The Founding Fathers knew a government can’t control the economy without controlling people. And they knew when a government sets out to do that, it must use force and coercion to achieve its purpose. So we have come to a time for choosing.


OMG-ABO~~BMG-ABB,
Sandy

Clarice

Fred Thompson endorsed Newt and so did Palin.
I just returned from Sarasota where turnout for Newt was very large and enthusiastic.

On the prior threadI pulled together LI's compendium of Reaganites who support Newt, including Nancy and Michael.

I R A Darth Aggie

And Mittens is a conservative? Since when?

daddy

Global Warming Update:

Southward extension of Bering Sea Ice is farthest in the past 20 years.

"Ice in Bering Sea threatens crab fishery: Earlier-than-expected ice is moving south over prime crabbing grounds, forcing boats away from their catch and putting millions of dollars of equipment in jeopardy."

"Very cold temperatures and strong winds are pushing the ice south at the rate of 10-15 miles a day, according to the National Weather Service. A rate of 2-3 miles a day is normal. The ice itself has a maximum thickness of two feet."

"The conditions are rare, but not unprecedented, scientists say.
Ice in this area of the Bering Sea is normal, just not this early."

narciso

Clearly that is proof of global warming, although that film got it backwards, daddy,

Sandy Daze
Public servants say, always with the best of intentions, “What greater service we could render if only we had a little more money and a little more power.” But the truth is that outside of its legitimate function, government does nothing as well or as economically as the private sector.

Yet any time you and I question the schemes of the do-gooders, we’re denounced as being opposed to their humanitarian goals. It seems impossible to legitimately debate their solutions with the assumption that all of us share the desire to help the less fortunate. They tell us we’re always “against,” never “for” anything.

ABO~~OMG-ABB~~BMG,
Sandy

Sara

cathyf: I would go with 34-C for Coulter.

Sara

Romney back on top in Florida by 7 or 8 depending on the poll.

centralcal

Welcome home, Clarice. Rush (transcript - didn't listen this morning) has a long detailed piece on the coordinated onslaught going on against Newt (says he is shocked by some of the revelations). Be that as it may, he raises a couple of interesting things:

Reuters is readying a really nasty hit piece against Rubio for release tomorrow.

Dems are hoping our candidate is settled with Florida or at latest March. They will have the money to go the distance trying to destroy our candidate. They have already spent huge sums with big ad buys in Florida (nobody seems to be bothering with attacking Santorum).

Newt and Romney viciously attacking and wounding each other, thereby setting them up for worse to come from the Dems.

Best question Rush asks: So we see how down and dirty our side can get with each other, we see the flurry of Republicans rushing to protect Romney and take down Newt. CAN, WILL these same folks - Romney et al DO THE SAME against Obama?

Therein lies the rub if past history is any guide.

daddy

Since we're speaking about tits, I'm glad to see that Barney Frank is getting married to his boyfriend. Let's get his man-boobs out of circulation to the general public.

sbw

I'm waiting for Newt to endorse Mitt and Mitt to endorse Newt.

Appalled

And Mittens is a conservative? Since when?


Since Newt was. Newt started life as proud supporter of the Ripon Society, always has a bright idea for the government to charge forward with, sat on the couch with Nancy on Global Warming, and endorsed Romneycare.

Newt is such a reliable conservative. And like that other great man of the right, Richard Nixon, he hates the news media.

Sandy Daze
Have we the courage and the will to face up to the immorality and discrimination of the progressive tax, and demand a return to traditional proportionate taxation? . . . Today in our country the tax collector’s share is 37 cents of every dollar earned. Freedom has never been so fragile, so close to slipping from our grasp.

OMG~ABO--BMG~ABB,
Sandy

Porchlight

And like that other great man of the right, Richard Nixon, he hates the news media.

He has that in common with nearly everyone on the right, so the comparison to Nixon is pretty meaningless.

Question: why do people call Gingrich a man of the right (I heard that on NPR!) but no one calls Obama a man of the left?

daddy

FWIW, I like a 34-B better than a 34-C.

Rick Ballard

Daddy,

Is that based on appearance or handling?

Appalled

He has that in common with nearly everyone on the right, so the comparison to Nixon is pretty meaningless.

Much of the Gingrich love I sense comes from his pounding on the news media. My point in naming the least conservative GOP President is that chronic complaining about media bias does not make one a reliable conservative.

Point well taken on Obama, by the way.

lyle

Question: why do people call Gingrich a man of the right (I heard that on NPR!) but no one calls Obama a man of the left?

Baffling, isn't it? (Sorry for the snark, Porchlight. I couldn't restrain myself.)

Sara

Question: why do people call Gingrich a man of the right (I heard that on NPR!) but no one calls Obama a man of the left?

I'm still trying to figure out why people call Newt a conservative, when he is not even close.

Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

Let this tweet sink in (also, LUN)
"Romney's entire campaign is now centered around charge that Gingrich is as liberal, disloyal and unprincipled as Romney is."

Ouch

Sandy Daze
We are faced with the most evil enemy mankind has known in his long climb from the swamp to the stars. There can be no security anywhere in the free world if there is no fiscal and economic stability within the United States. Those who ask us to trade our freedom for the soup kitchen of the welfare state are architects of a policy of accommodation.

ABO~OMG~~ABB~BMG,
Sandy

Sue

Sara,

Do you consider yourself to be a conservative?

daddy

Just fooling Rick. I never flew the C, just the B, which was a fun plane.

In Primary I flew the T-28-B.

It was just about to be retired but was a great trainer, smelled of dripping oil, and had a distinct sort of Harley engine sound that was killer. Much fun.

Rick Ballard

"the least conservative GOP President"

Hoover fans are outraged. Reagan fans are puzzled as they recall the help Nixon gave Reagan in his '66 run for governor of California. Fnorks are pleased that their success in moving Nixon away from those nasty right wingers is publicly acknowledged.

Appalled

Does this man, in the LUN, sound like a conservative? (Run the clip -- sounds like a campaign ad Ben Franklin, the poster, might compose)

A Conservative Teacher

Read what Dole wrote and don't just be all 'it has to be a lie because I disagree with it'- I disagree with Dole on policy issues, but his letter isn't about policy positions, it is about the personality, character, and effect on elections of Newt. And what he suggests (and what many others have known Newt) is that Newt's 'I hate the media' attacks, wild ideas, one man show, and flipping positions eventually wears out his welcome and he becomes more unfavorable than favorable to voters.

I know you like him, and others like him- but what matters is whether independent and moderate voters will like him or grow tired of his act and instead vote for an Obama who looks sane, stable, and moderate in comparison. I don't freaking care who our nominee is- but it has to be someone who can beat Obama's machine, and Newt has too many negatives that are easily exploitable by the liberal media (which is what moderate and independent voters listen to).

This election has to be about Barack Obama- it can not be about Newt, Mitt, Cain, or Rick. We can not nominate someone who is the 'look at me' type- we need a boring, generic, wallflower character who lived a perfect life with few negatives. We all must realize that our best option is 'generic Republican' for President, capturing the House and the Senate, replacing some Supreme Court justices, and in 4 to 8 years re-assess. Don't bet my children's future on a wild bet on Newt.

narciso

He delivered the first Republican majority in 40 years, vs. MassCare, the RGGI;

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2012/01/video-of-newt-bashing-reagan-is-bogus.html

Neo

NRO has a "message" from Bob Dole.

But Oh. Please. The message is obviously a fake.
Everybody knows that Bob Dole always speaks in the 3rd person. As soon as I came upon the usage of "I" it clearly was a obvious fake.

Bob Dole knows that Bob Dole would never talk in the 1st person.

Sara

Sue: No, I consider myself a conservative leaning libertarian REPUBLICAN. I've never been clear what a conservative is vs a Republican. First presidential vote was in 1968 and I've voted Republican every time. I differ from libertarians in being very pro-military. But, I'm for legalizing marijuana, I despise abortion, I am a strict fiscal Republican, but on most social issues, I just don't care one way or the other, although I support civil unions not gay marriage.

Jane

Dave,

Barney's fiancee is 42 years younger than he.

I don't think Newt is conservative, I think he is whimsical. Recall the sofa with nancy. And like Rocco I have a hard time forgiving him on his bashing capitalism.

Sue

Sara,

And you support a candidate who more closely resembles you than Newt does. A moderate republican. A northeastern republican. A Rockefeller republican. Aren't you a native of Pennsylvania? Nothing wrong with being that type of republican but don't tell the rest of us Mitt is more conservative than Newt. Neither are as conservative as Rick Perry was and you hated him. I am supporting Mitt over Newt because I worry Newt will implode. Otherwise, I'd be supporting Newt, because he is more closely aligned with Ronald Reagan republicans than Mitt is.

Sue

I differ from libertarians in being very pro-military.

Wait...what? Libertarians are not anti-military. At least not the ones I know. They oppose overseas conflicts but support a strong military to defend our borders.

Porchlight

lyle,

Snark from you is always welcome. Like this (since it's on topic)

Damn, we're in worse shape than we thought. Us crazies have pushed out...Bob Dole. BOB DOLE, people!

Posted by: lyle | September 16, 2010

Still makes me chuckle.

centralcal

Romney is not a conservative, either. He is whatever you want him to be (where is he? what day is it? who is he talking to?) He will be anything you want him to be.

A.C.T: ...we need a boring, generic, wallflower character who lived a perfect life with few negatives

Oh, so you have met my candidate Garden Gnome? I am still waiting for him to have a name, but the primaries are not over yet.

maryrose

A ConservativeTeacher:
Thank you for posting. I totally agree with everything you just stated.SE Cupp was on Imus this morning also expressing dislike for Gingrich. She will stay home if he is the nominee but would vote for Santorum or Romney.Sara: I'm glad Mitt's numbers are improving.
SOTU appears to have been a big nothingburger because 8 hours later everyone except MESSbc was talking about something else.

Porchlight

I've never been clear what a conservative is vs a Republican.

No wonder you support Romney.

Clarice

Attention Elliott Abrams on Newt: Did Daniels, Barbour, Rollins Know?
American Spectator ^ | 1.26.12 | JEFFREY LORD
Posted on January 26, 2012 5:58:33 PM EST by Qbert

I like Elliott Abrams. Big time.

But…gee. Elliott…Elliott…Elliott.

Mr. Abrams is in the news for this piece over at National Review Online

Sounds saleable, yes? Ex-Reagan State Department aide cites Newt criticism on Reagan.

There's a problem with this story.

[Snip]

Never… not once… did Elliott Abrams ever say to me something along the lines of "that SOB Newt said X." Never. I never heard it from Elliott, and perhaps even more to the point I never heard it from a colleague in our office. One would hear things about, say, then Pennsylvania Senator Arlen Specter or some such. The President himself would get irked at Specter. But Newt Gingrich? Anti-Reagan? A problem of some sort for the Reagan White House political office? Not a prayer.

If this were a problem, not once did Elliott Abrams ever say a word to me. So the question is: did he say this to someone else? Was there someone inside the Reagan political office who knew all this and never said a word? These folks are around to ask.

One was just on TV addressing the nation the other night. That would be Indiana Governor Mitch Daniels -- the overall boss of the Reagan political office. And then there's now former Governor Haley Barbour of Mississippi, just below Mitch Daniels in the pecking order in the day. Neither ever said a word to the rest of us about Newt being anti-Reagan...

[Snip]

But quite specifically, if Elliott Abrams ever was seriously concerned about Newt Gingrich's relationship with Ronald Reagan he never… ever… brought it to the attention of the White House political office. To the best of my knowledge.

Or… he did. And the answers are there to be had from Governors Daniels and Barbour and from Ed Rollins.

__________

Sandy Daze
They say the world has become too complex for simple answers. They are wrong. There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers. We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right. Winston Churchill said that “the destiny of man is not measured by material computation. When great forces are on the move in the world, we learn we are spirits–not animals.” And he said, “There is something going on in time and space, and beyond time and space, which, whether we like it or not, spells duty.”

OMG~ABO~~BMG~ABB,
Sandy

Extraneus

I've said it before and I'll say it again: If there's one thing BobDole knows, it's how to beat a left-wing lowlife first-termer who tried to take over the health care system and was soundly repudiated in a mid-term election. On that I think we can all agree.

Captain Hate

Hoover fans are outraged.

Until I started reading "The Forgotten Man" I wouldn't have understood this comment.

Ralph L

maybe it's just guys mouthing off about things that they know nothing about.
True, she was far too skinny to put herself through law school by stripping.

Many thousands of people make their living by doing sales pitches. Why can't some conservative ones go into politics?

centralcal

Wonderful quote, Sandy Daze. Thanks for sharing.

Sara

I don't think I've said Mitt is more conservative than Newt. At least I don't recall making that comparison. I think his immigration plan is way more conservative than Newt's, and I'm sure there are other issues, but until last go round, I never heard the distinction between conservative as if they are a party of their own vs Republican. I lived under Reagan as governor for 8 years and then president for 8 and worked for his administration for a few months before the '88 election and I thought he was a Republican like me and every other Republican I know, now I find out he was this thing called a conservative.

I thought W's 5-point immigration plan was a sensible plan and I think I first began to resent the term "conservative" when Malkin started her stupid shamnesty campaign. I think Mitt's plan is a good one as I don't see "fixing" this problem until you make it very bad for employers who hire illegals. I agree with Newt that it will be hard to deal with the grandmas who have been here most of their life, but at some point you have to say the law is the law. Most of the time I don't think about illegals until I have to go to an emergency room or I'm told that illegals take such a toll on limited school resources, kids now have to pay $300 per to ride the school bus. And I see red when looking at the So. Cal help wanted ads where nearly every one requires being bilingual Spanish-English.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I long for the day when the political fight was between Democrats and Republicans, not Democrats vs Republicans vs conservatives.

matt

Just to show how rough this campaign is going to get, more agitprop. LUN

Captain Hate

Dear God, matt; I couldn't even make it through the first paragraph of that garbage. Social science: The ultimate oxymoron.

Rocco

Wasn't Newt a Rockefella State Chairman in 1968?

Extraneus

Btw, was anyone here able to picture Rand Paul as irate?

Benjamin Franklin

Jeb Bush;

"We cannot be a majority, if we continue to be the Old White Guy Party."

NK

Alaska Cold-- Hang in there Daddy, unfortunately for you the Arctic weather pattern will probably remain unchanged for at least 10-20 more days. More cold in western alaska and eastern siberia, lower 48 stay mild. This is going to wind up being the coldest anchorage winter in decades.

centralcal

Wasn't Newt a Rockefella State Chairman in 1968?

Rocco, I have no idea. You do realize that was 44 years ago? How old was Newt at that time. Are you the exact same man today that you were 44 years ago?

Charlie (Colorado)

I assumed that the moniker was deliberately ironic, but maybe it's just guys mouthing off about things that they know nothing about.

We'll depend on you to keep us abreast of the news, Cathy.

Sara

CONSERVATIVE:

Adjective:
Holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in politics or religion.
Noun:
A person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in politics.

Based on the "traditional" definition, Mitt is more "conservative." However, I've come to realize that the code word conservative has some very different meaning and Republican has become a dirty word.

Old Lurker

That was a very titilating remark, ChaCo, be careful!

JM Hanes

Sandy Daze:

I'm enjoying your serialization tremendously! It's not just a great read, it gives the thread a nice, unexpected rhythm too.

Sara

Daddy: Not to make you feel bad or anything, but it is 81 degrees here today.

memomachine

Hmmmm.

I'd be a lot more impressed with this coordinated attack on Newt if ....

1. It wasn't so obviously coordinated.

2. It wasn't being made mostly by complete asshats that I frankly despise even on a good day.

boris

Certainly Newt can articulate the conservative position better than anyone else in this primary or general. Certainly Newt did work with the Reagan revolution whether he sometimes complained about things or not.

I don't care that Newt sometimes fools around with "non-conservative" ideas ... but then I am not a pure conservative in any sense of the term. But ... what's the deal here? Are the conservatives upset about Newt's apostasy? No it seems to be moderates independents and libertarians who are telling conservatives Hey! Newt is NOT a TRUE CONSERVATIVE you numbskulls so GIT WITH MITT already ... sheesh!"

I just find that kind of interesting.

Danube of Thought

I take it Barney is a B-cup.

Has Newt been chatting with Jerry Brown? Permanent moon colony?

Sara

Boris: Newt is for Newt. Pure and simple. And what is a "true conservative" anyway and how does he/she differ from a true Republican?

centralcal

Boris, I find it interesting, too. All the conservatives are horrified to discover Newt is not a TRUE conservative, so they will all going stampeding to...to...to...Romney?

I am not quite following the logic.

Extraneus

So the Democrats can nominate the most left-wing newbie in the Senate and be crazy in love with the guy, but Republicans can only hope to settle for Romney or Newt or pray for a brokered convention, with a total and complete unpopular failure to run against? Let's face it, we're screwed.

What's the going rate for acreage on St. Jane's Island?

Rocco

Porch, He's claimed otherwise in the debates. From Rush...

Newt's also stepped in it, too. He said that he was a Goldwater supporter when he was a Rockefeller state chair. These are the kinds of things, as you heard in the early part of the campaign, people worry about what Newt is going to say at any time, and you don't know here it's gonna come from and you don't know... (interruption) Yeah, he did say it. He said he's a Goldwater supporter. He was a Rockefeller state chair. He was a regional chair for Rockefeller. (interruption) Nelson Rockefeller. Yeah. Yeah. The Rockefeller wing of the party. Correct. Exactly right.


Janet

I take it Barney is a B-cup.

I don't think the word cup is gonna cut it for Barney...maybe stein?

MarkO

"I am not quite following the logic." It's in the nature of impeaching one's expertise to determine if one or more of the candidates in, in fact, conservative.

centralcal

BreakingNews Breaking News
WSJ/NBC News poll: Republican voters nationwide favor Newt Gingrich 37% to 28% over Mitt Romney - @WSJ

Just another meaningless poll, I know. But everybody else does it to underscore their points. Me no underscore - I cannot find any polling today on the candidate, Generic Republican (which is really code for Garden Gnome).

Clarice

I really, really think the pile on the past two days has been shabby and does not do the reputation of those who engaged in it any good.

It has made me very angry.

Sandy Daze
You and I have a rendezvous with destiny. We will preserve for our children this, the last best hope of man on earth, or we will sentence them to take the first step into a thousand years of darkness. If we fail, at least let our children and our children’s children say of us we justified our brief moment here. We did all that could be done.

ABOOMGABBBMG,
Sandy

centralcal

I would call it worse than shabby, Clarice.

Jane

Newt's on Kudlow right now.

Extraneus

Just to fight my own depression...

NJ camel predicts Giants will win the Super Bowl

LACEY TOWNSHIP, N.J. (AP) -- People use all sorts of ways to try to predict the winner of the Super Bowl: comparing regular season records, judging who looked stronger in the post-season run-up to the big game, or watching the betting lines from Las Vegas oddsmakers.

But the closest thing to a sure thing may come from a camel in New Jersey.

Princess, the star of New Jersey's Popcorn Park Zoo, has correctly picked the winner of five of the last six Super Bowls. She went 14 and 6 predicting regular season and playoff games this year, and has a lifetime record of 88-51.

Her pick this year: The New York Giants.


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