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Manuel Transmission

First!?

rse

Can I be juvenile and say "first"?

First mouse out of the box wins.

Be not the first to take up the new, nor yet the last to set aside the old.
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Charlie (Colorado)

Can I be juvenile and say "first"?

yes, but it'd be wrong.

Thomas Collins

So, what do y'all think? Should there be some type of procedure to try this on 90 somethings with Alzheimer's? I realize there are lots of issues we lawyers would bring up (can a guardian consent to this type of procedure, liability issues, would a body of certified physicians and biochemists be needed to certify an expedited procedure for experimental trials, etcetera, etcetera ad nauseam), but let's face it, if you envision yourself in your nineties and having Alzheimer's, wouldn't you think a little dice rolling is in order? Or JOMers who are experts in the area of experimental medicine going to tell me there already is such a procedure?

Thomas Collins

Make that: "Or are JOMers who are . . . ."

Sara

I have 3 friends dealing with Alzheimers, 2 taking care of a parent with the disease and one whose 59 year old husband is in the early to mid stages of the disease. I don't think any of them would hesitate to try just about anything to bring their loved ones back. And, I'm sure the Alzheimer patient would do anything to come back, if they were aware of anything at their stage.

Alzheimer patients are the true walking dead. It is the most heart breaking illness for a family of anything I've ever witnessed. And so often, when they reach a certain deterioration level, they turn violent and can no longer be cared for at home.

Cecil Turner

I had something important to say on this subject . . . but I forgot what it was.

Frau Vergissmeinnicht

If Obama gets a second term, I might want to forget everything.

Thomas Collins

Sara, your post illustrates the point that perhaps the experimental treatments shouldn't depend on age. A 59 year old could have a more advanced case than a 90 something. Should age make any difference at all?

Gmax

Frau

To that end, I note that Zero doubled down today behind closed doors with Democrats on the restriction on restriction of religious freedom. I have to admit to being thrilled that is the case, as he and his party are going to make a number of Democrat Senators dead men walking with this one. When Obama lover Rick Warren tweets to the world he will go to jail rather than comply, you know that this has grown to a point it is costing them votes with all but the progs who were going to vote for them anyway.

Solitaire with a deck with missing cards I still contend. LOL

Sara

TC: My quick answer is that a disease is a disease and follows a certain course, whether you are 60 or 90. The big difference may be how long a younger sufferer lives in the final limbo state and requires constant care.

My Mother had stroke-related dementia in her final year. It had many similarities to Alzheimers, her age regression, her own frustration, etc., but she never forgot who she was nor lost her ability to identify her family members and close friends. Everyone I know who has dealt with an Alz. patient says the day their mother or father or spouse no long recognized them was the worst day of their lives.

matt

President Nero has done the near impossible.

This is the one issue uniting the Evangelicals, Catholics, and even the Baptists. Who woulda thunk?

Politically, the reaction of the Church especially may help doom the Democratic Party.

Nero was I believe the emperor who "perfected" the persecution of Christians, by the way.

matt

let's revise that a little. He was also the Emperor who reigned at the beginning of the Jewish Uprising.

NK

GMax-- you know this thing is a complete debacle for 'Bam when the legacy media start bugging him about it. So 'Bam will shuck and jive and say this is a serious matter and postpone adopting the regulation until December. That will only piss off both sides and allow the Repubs -- Rightfully-- to bash Dems all Fall with "what else is in Obamacare". As you point out that kills off a few more House Dems and definitely a couple more Dem Senators. Love it Love it. Thank you Secretary Seblius.

Ignatz

I've lost count of the number of drugs I've followed which virtually cure mice of cancer only to be just about useless in humans.
Medicine seems to me about one part breathtaking genetic and technological wonders and two parts bone-through-the-nose witch doctoring.

henry

Well, per TV news all four senators facing recalls submitted enough challenges to end the process. They forgot to report any numbers, and forgot about the Tea Party's separate effort. Next the GAB will forget to accept any challenges. If this level of fraud is found in the Walker petitions, the left can forget about that recall as well. Until then, some lawyers will cash in.

Extraneus

Shouldn't one of the presidential candidates - say, Romney? - explain that this isn't just a religious issue? The mandates affect everyone, and forcing insurers to cover things that customers may not need or want insurance for increases everyone's premiums.

Obviously, this is all a precursor to mandating abortion coverage. That's a women's health matter, after all.

NK

Henry-- the GAB will review the challenges and decide how many signatures to void, correct?

Rick Ballard

Henry,

If they fail, do you think Walker will send them a thank you note for funding his re-election campaign three years in advance?

jimmyk

Should age make any difference at all?

I would think it should be tried on younger patients, if there has to be a choice, since they are less likely to have other health problems, and more years to gain. And I say that as one who has a 90-year-old father who is in the earlyish stages of Alzheimer's.

But I'm not sure why anyone but the families should have to decide. We've fallen into the trap of making every medical issue a public policy choice rather than a private market decision.

Benjamin Franklin

How much will it cost? There's the rub.........

When will the 20-year patent expire? Does it start fresh in 2006?

henry

NK, what the GAB plans to do is kinda like the left's approach to the last cencus -- damn the facts and use statistical sampling instead. This will be decided in the courts, where the GAB will also face the Tea Party verifications (they checked far more stuff).

Rick, Walker won't say a thing but he will help everyone else to get a new POTUS with filibuster proof majorities like he has in WI.

I am encouraged, but want to see numbers so I can believe TV. They did this story in 30 seconds which shows they don't like what they saw. : )

narciso

Yes, that's right Matt more from Montefiore, I suppose.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Jewish%E2%80%93Roman_War

Vespasian was one of the more interesting characters, that was profiled in one of those
History Channel specials on military commanders, they had the boss from MI-5, Finch portraying him.

Sara

Shouldn't one of the presidential candidates - say, Romney? - explain that this isn't just a religious issue? The mandates affect everyone, and forcing insurers to cover things that customers may not need or want insurance for increases everyone's premiums.

Romney spent most of his time with Cavuto today on this subject, he has hit it several times now in speeches, and he was the first to come out with his Op-Ed last week.

I think, however, he has been mostly arguing that the HHS mandate is a liberty, 1st Amendment issue, rather than a broader theme as you describe. I agree with others who have said they don't like paying for something they don't need. Birth control, pregnancy, post-partum problems, substance abuse are some of the things I resent paying for now.

Danube of Thought

Everyone I know who has dealt with a loved one's Alzheimer's would leap at the chance for any experiment with a shred of a chance of success. In a heartbeat.

Porchlight

I agree, Ext, but I think that muddies the waters. You won't unite moderate and even left-leaning Catholics on stuff like that - they're big government lovers in many ways and fought for Obamacare. When you have these guys agreeing with you, and spitting mad about it, it is a rare event and you have to maximize that leverage.

In order to get the most traction between now and the election, it has to be hammered as a First Amendment issue.

I also personally believe that's the central issue. Dismantle religious liberty and everything else, and I mean everything else, will follow.

Danube of Thought

Henry, I understand you to be saying that if the challenges are all upheld the number of valid signatures will be insufficient to trigger the election--right?

Does any individual or group have any kind of handle on what share of the signatures sre clearly invalid, uncertain, or arguable?

narciso

Understandable reaction, Danube, the concern is whether it will really work,

Extraneus

Maybe you're right, Porch, but people should be thinking "Will they come for me next?" Somebody should be saying "Yes, they will. They already are, and you don't even know it."

henry

Danube, correct for the 4 senators. We'll know on Walker the 27th. I expect to see press releases with actual numbers from the campaigns, not online in the usual places yet. "Verify the Vote" (?), the Tea Party verification Caro is helping with will have their own challenges and totals, this info plus the raw searchable database they built will also be put online. The senators needed to challenge about 30% of the signatures, Walker will need to challenge 40%. The big union effort was for Walker, so I expect higher levels of fraud in those petitions. If I can't find links tonight, I pretty sure they will be easy to find tomorrow.

Porchlight

Somebody should be saying "Yes, they will. They already are, and you don't even know it."

Yes, they will, Ext. I just think that particular argument is communicated much more intensely across the spectrum when "coming for" means "coming for your religious beliefs" and not "coming for your right not to be forced to purchase X."

Not that I think my right not to be forced to purchase X isn't important. But fundamentally this goes much deeper than my right not to purchase podiatry coverage if I don't want it.

Thomas Collins

As a strategic matter for this election, Porchlight, I agree with you, and I think the GOP candidates are taking the correct approach if they are focusing on religious freedom issue. However, if the therapeutic administrative state continues to advance, all alternative ways of looking at the world, including religious conscience, will be wiped out. Thus, I am glad that free market oriented economists are focusing on the issue of why are the feds mandating this and that types of specific coverages in the first place.

Thomas Collins

As a strategic matter for this election, Porchlight, I agree with you, and I think the GOP candidates are taking the correct approach if they are focusing on religious freedom issue. However, if the therapeutic administrative state continues to advance, all alternative ways of looking at the world, including religious conscience, will be wiped out. Thus, I am glad that free market oriented economists are focusing on the issue of why are the feds mandating this and that types of specific coverages in the first place.

Jack is Back!

Sara,

You do know that RomneyCare has the same provision on contreception as the HHS regulation, don't you? Its his Achilles heel. That is why Sibelius and the Regime decided to force it now. No win for Mitt.

Threadkiller
Sara

You do know that RomneyCare has the same provision on contreception as the HHS regulation, don't you? Its his Achilles heel. That is why Sibelius and the Regime decided to force it now. No win for Mitt.

Well they'll have egg on their face as this was something that Romney vetoed, more than once, and his veto was overridden by the majority in the legislature.

Danube of Thought

Even with this surrent outrage, he is now at 49/47 at RCP.

When Sebelius says contraception will be "free," there is a huge wad of people out there who believe that's true. And who's against making something free?

MarkO

Can I be free?

narciso

Well RCP averages the good with the totally implausible polls, so what is the use in that.

henry

Wow! TMJ4 tv has more details on their website (I have their app--no linky). Each senate recall needed a little over 15,000 signatures. The number collected ranged from 16,000 (Galloway) to 21000 (Wanggaard). The data presentation in the article is a mess, but the least iffy challenge totals are:

Fitzgerald - 5045
Wanggaard - 7491
Galloway - 3817
Mouton - 6112

These average over 30% of signatures turned in.

jimmyk

Well they'll have egg on their face as this was something that Romney vetoed, more than once, and his veto was overridden by the majority in the legislature.

So was Mitt the driving force behind Romneycare, or were the Dems already determined to do something and Romney tried to make it as benign as possible? Because if it's the former, then I think he gets the blame for the whole thing. Once you throw that rock at the mountain, you're responsible for the whole avalanche, regardless of your intent.

matt

an the man be any more despicable a weasel?

Norah O'Donnell tweeted:

"In the Oval Office, President Obama refuses to answer if he stands by contraception rule. Says to reporter: "Come on guys.""

Danube of Thought

"Well RCP averages the good with the totally implausible polls, so what is the use in that."

The trend. And Raz is at 50% overall approval. People like free shit, and they don't mind being ordered around. Until it's too late.

matt

narc;

That was actually remembered from Josephus, who I read many years ago. Either that or Church history.

Sara

Jimmyk: Watch the Cavuto clip. He says there that this birth control, abortion funding, etc. was all passed before he became Governor, but I don't know enough about the whole history.

Danube of Thought

"Can I be free?"

Free as a bird, provided only that you agree to be handcuffed to Dick Vitale for the remainder of your natural life. Free healthcare. Free gasoline. Free booze. You and Dick.

jimmyk

Everyone I know who has dealt with a loved one's Alzheimer's would leap at the chance for any experiment with a shred of a chance of success. In a heartbeat.

Of course, but if each dose costs, say, $1000, and they have no idea if it will really work, then it may not be so easy a decision.

henry

Thanks Narciso. The guy in the video that looks like he just got hit with a 2 x 4 is the GAB press dude.

bgates

I've lost count of the number of drugs I've followed which virtually cure mice of cancer only to be just about useless in humans.

I wonder if there's good reason to believe the reverse can't happen. Could there be drugs which aren't investigated further because they are just about useless in mice, which could virtually cure humans of cancer?

Ignatz

--The trend. And Raz is at 50% overall approval. People like free shit, and they don't mind being ordered around. Until it's too late.--

Looks to me like it's getting close to cute, bare, bum time again. :)

Danube of Thought

Daniel Henninger, via Hot Air:

"Older Americans have sought for years to drop out of Medicare and contract for their own health insurance. They cannot without forfeiting their Social Security payments. They effectively are locked in. Nor can the poor escape Medicaid, even as the care it gives them degrades. Farmers, ranchers and loggers struggled for years to protect their livelihoods beneath uncompromising interpretations of federal environmental laws. They, too, had to comply. University athletic programs were ground up by the U.S. Education Department’s rote, forced gender balancing of every sport offered.

"With the transformers, it never stops. In September, the Obama Labor Department proposed rules to govern what work children can do on farms. After an outcry from rural communities over the realities of farm traditions, the department is now reconsidering a 'parental exemption.' Good luck to the farmers.

"The Catholic Church has stumbled into the central battle of the 2012 presidential campaign: What are the limits to Barack Obama’s transformative presidency? The Catholic left has just learned one answer: When Mr. Obama says, 'Everyone plays by the same set of rules,' it means they conform to his rules. What else could it mean?"

As Eli Wallach's bandito said in The Magnificent Seven, if God did not want them shorn he would not have made them sheep.

MarkO

Good grief. That really is nothin' left to lose. No one could call being handcuffed to Dick "natural life."

Dickie really pumped up the resume of those White Phantoms last night. Ooops.

I think it's too late. Too much free stuff. The HHS will tell us everything. JFC.

Ignatz

--I wonder if there's good reason to believe the reverse can't happen. Could there be drugs which aren't investigated further because they are just about useless in mice, which could virtually cure humans of cancer?--

Not unlikely at all.
The first test is usually just petri dish efficacy on bare cells. If that works then they try mice and if they fail there that's usually pretty much the end of it.

A lot of it is serendipitous. They noticed diabetics who use the drug metformin and contract breast cancer to control diabetes did much better in chemo than those who were diabetic but not on it. Now it's all the rage in human clinical trials specifically for breast cancer even though its been around for decades.

MarkO

Maybe this is better than calling out doom:

David Burge @iowahawkblog
We Are Completely F***ed, Exhibit 757104-604-C http://youtu.be/FizspmIJbAw

jimmyk

Says to reporter: "Come on guys."

Translation: Hey, you know the rules--no tough questions. How do you think I, a completely unaccomplished semi-literate community organizer, got elected to be the leader of the free world? We've got to keep this going another nine months so I can keep the evil Republicans from overturning all my accomplishments. Don't blow it now!

narciso

Well she fits in much better over there, with the Cookie Monster and the Count.

Danube of Thought

Point taken re payments, jimmyk: never, ever would I propose that the patient get the treatment at someone else's expense, unless he had bought insurance that would cover it.

MarkO

And, Miss Piggy is the Sec. of State.

Whoa. I'm brimming with snark. Or, am I swiiming with sharks? I forget and that puts me back on topic.

Everytime ESPN replays Rivers' shot I grin. Does that make me a bad person? Hell no.

MarkO

WARNING. Don't type angry.

scott

Here is the truethevote report for Fitzgerald. Their methodology looks sound. If the source data is supportive, get ready for some very unhappy recallers.

Porchlight

jimmyk @8:50, exactly right. It couldn't be any more obvious.

narciso

Well there will certainly be some 'Scanners' level explosions, like with Kloppy's failed
recalled effort, henry,

those who think this contraception mandate is some 'cunning, cunning' plan, is to deny who
Obama is; he hates 'bitter clingers' believers in negative liberties like freedom
of belief.

henry

Thanks Scott!

scott

No problem, Henry. Thanks for the updates.

henry

Man bites dog- Dane County Judge denies injunction in NAACP voter ID suit. It will go to trial later though.

Benjamin Franklin


http://democurmudgeon.blogspot.com/2012/02/vigilante-group-verify-recall-makes.html


"Have we really given our recall verification duties to We the People of the Republic and the Wisconsin Grandsons of Liberty?

Has anyone answered the question; why are outside conservative vigilante groups like Verify the Recall, backed by tea party fringe group We the People of the Republic, allowed to trash our recall process with their biased analysis of signatures? Public records, sure, but they should have no input in the process. If they have a problem, sit in a corner. Anyone think the governor's own verification team won't be partisan enough?

Check out Ross Brown, who heads up We the People of the Republic. WKOW:

Ignatz

Gosh I thought the left loved participatory and direct democracy.

narciso

I remember Windrem, in particular, because he was the conduit used to suggest in the Spring of 2000, that Elian's family were armed and dangerous, hence the rules of rendition,

Ignatz

Boy, the poor Luciferian guy seems to have re-earned his computer privileges on a previous thread.
Can't help but feel bad for the guy.

narciso

I was going to say, Iggy, cleanup aisle 5.

Benjamin Franklin

"Gosh I thought the left loved participatory and direct democracy."

Gee whiz. I guess it sticks in the teacher's craw when his students become the teacher.

And youse guys are the best teachers.

Ranger

Gee whiz. I guess it sticks in the teacher's craw when his students become the teacher.

Actually, it sounds like that's what has gotten you so unhappy over the last few months Ben-Dana. You can't stand that grass roots organizations like the TEA Party are successfully organizing the way the left did in the 60s. Now it is the TEA Party that can mobilize large numbers of volunteers, and all the left has these days are rent a thugs, overpaid state employees, and grad students.

Danube of Thought

If it weren't for us, the people, Rather's fraudulent hit piece on Bush and the TANG would be the record of history. Instead, Rather is history.

Open-source expertise and fact-checking are a mortal threat to these unprincipled scumbags. Witness what is happening to the dinosaurs at ABC News.

Still waiting, Mr. Ward: on the basis of what principle are you or the state (or anyone else) entitled to know the scope of the Vatican's wealth? Come on, dear boy, you can do it: clench your teeth, ball your fists, close your eyes tight, screw up your courage and answer the question.

Captain Hate

Can't help but feel bad for the guy.

Just be glad he up-chucked that text gack on a dead thread.

mockmook

Santorum says ‘other types of emotions’ could preclude women in combat

Hmmmmmm.

Posted by: Sara | February 09, 2012 at 09:36 PM

-------------

Wow, I was just remarking the other day that the most important issue is getting women into combat.

I'm glad Sara is on my side. Obama too. And, Romney; he's for it.

Damn that Neanderthal Santorum.

Rick Ballard

Ranger,

It's not just that. The Chicom mercantilist slavers are down for the count, EUtopia is BK, the Skydragon has ice breath, Arab Spring stinks of headchoppers, the occupoopers are smelly jokes and it ain't halftime - BOzo's down by 47 with 10 minutes on the clock and he doesn't have the ball.

Captain Hate

Yeah if we get some Code Stink types on the front lines, what could go wrong?

Danube of Thought

"BOzo's down by 47 with 10 minutes on the clock and he doesn't have the ball."

Don't remind me. Brady was up by two with four minutes left and the ball, and couldn't close the deal.

Threadkiller

"A study in the Journal of Clinical Psychiatry has concluded that distrust of the government is a treatable mental disorder. Known as “AGP” or “anti-government phobia,” the study claims: “…that unfounded fear of government is a recognizable mental illness, closely related to paranoid schizophrenia. Anti-Government Phobia (AGP) differs from most mental illnesses, however, in that it is highly infectious and has an acute onset. Symptoms include extreme suspiciousness, conspiracy-mongering, delusional thought patterns, staunch ‘us against them’ mentality, withdrawal from reality, and often religious fanaticism…”


http://www.breitbart.tv/study-distrust-of-government-a-mental-disorder/

Is this what all that Obama pill talk was about?

Sandy Daze

Late to the date. Just back from City Tavern and a most delightful meal with our host Clarice (thanks much!), Kim (great to meet you) & Jane (glad you are off the couch) from the Sturbridge Tea Party , Janet (great DTOM pin, I wear it with pride !) and younger daughter, Windy Daze. Nice. Very Nice Evening.
~
Re Alzheimer's, I have not read through the thread, not sure if already mentioned, but this report from Canada describes absolutely amazing results and displays actual before and after testing of a male human (husband of the doctor who conducted the study) and reports from other tests around the world.


ABO~OMG,
Sandy

Danube of Thought

That's old news, TK. The CCCP was treating those poor souls in insane asylums 75 years ago.

Benjamin Franklin

"Still waiting, Mr. Ward: on the basis of what principle are you or the state (or anyone else) entitled to know the scope of the Vatican's wealth?"

Papists are the most defensive about the History of the catholic church. If you understood the demented beginnings of that mockery of Christian principle, you would be the first to ask. As it is; you are 'verklempt' without any basis in Holy Scripture ,as are the rest of your
schismatic dogmatists. Lacking the fundamental curiosity of your inane question makes you as culpable as your spiritually dead religion.

Captain Hate

Wow, nice meet up Sandy; I'm envious.

Benjamin Franklin

"You can't stand that grass roots organizations like the TEA Party are successfully organizing "

Best oxymoron of the Day/

Benjamin Franklin

"Damn that Neanderthal Santorum."

Give him his due. Cro-Magnon......

Ranger

So, Ben-Dana, you don't think the TEA Party is a spontanious, self organizing phenomenon?

Clarice

It was a lot of fun seeing everyone though I had to bob and weave to make sure Janet didn't sign me up for any of her good deeds.

Jane said she heard today that Kerry opposes the Administration's no exemptions HHS contraceptive, abortifacient regs.

Anyone see that report?

narciso

One of these days, they will learn not to fall for this, ofcourse Brad Friedman is one of those nutrooter election denialists, and ACORN booster

http://www.mediaite.com/online/james-okeefes-fake-tim-tebow-voter-fraud-investigation-doesnt-have-a-prayer/

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