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Old Lurker

I think her 5:15 was from my family album, Barbara. Or maybe Mel's. Or maybe Porch when she was in KY.

Frau Eigensinn

OK- who broke into my family album? My northern Georgia forebears were carrying on family tradition.

Threadkiller

Found them.

Barbara

Ye haw, Porch! LOLOLOL!

Captain Hate

TK's been workin' hard the last couple days.

Janet

I'm just typing "beer labels" or "monk beer labels" into google images. As a carry over from the last thread I tried Tiddlywinks Beer, but there was nothing! (gonna give sbw a hard time)

Here are 2 JOM ladies that are with you guys in spirit...

Janet - a bit of a teetotaler & Frau - guzzling away!

Neo

Oklahoma state Sen. Constance Johnson (D) was so enraged at a “personhood” bill that she sought an amendment ...
"… any action in which a man ejaculates or otherwise deposits semen anywhere but in a woman’s vagina shall be interpreted and construed as an action against an unborn child.”

They always said that Bill Clinton didn't have sex with Monica Lewinsky, but now we find out he was probably a child abuser.

Melinda Romanoff

TK-

No criticizing hit and my weekend activities until you've been there.

Captain Hate

In a fair and just world, Constance Johnson would be too ashamed to show her mug in public after that idiocy.

Frau Wirtschaft

The Ram Pub has had to replenish its supplies since The Boys arrived.

Frau Wirtschaft

How long till Squaredance comes to tell us to sober up? This election cycle is, however, enough to drive a person to drink. Janet may join me with a larger mug.

Stephanie

Is salt peter considered a legal food additive that is required to be disclosed on packaging?

Problem solved for that bint of a legislator. So much for the Folsom Street Fair for Bwaney's honeymoon.

Extraneus

the dumbest person ever to post here

If you're talking about a comment I made a few days ago - and I think you are since I haven't seen anyone else use such language lately - it wasn't directed at you, and I find it odd if you thought it was, since I've never come close to addressing you that way or giving any indication that I think that of you. I was referring to a relatively new poster, who posts over different names due to having made a fool of herself only days after beginning to post, and I stand by the comment.

caro

I guess Jim M took off his bright blue parka!

LOL

Is Mrs M/T there,too?

Janet

The Ram Pub has had to replenish its supplies since The Boys arrived.

Hah!

Frau Wirtschaft

May I suggest a more fitting Rams Pub beverage for Mrs. M/T?

Sara

For someone who professes experience in PR, working for a congresscritter and a presidential campaign you seem to disregard the optics of Romney's campaign as uneffectual. All these candidates are flawed and make bone-head statements and most of them are taken out of context. But that is what a professional campaign has to deal with and do it timely and correctly. Perspective is reality in politics and right now Mitt Romney's optic is quite blurred and uninspiring to the majority of caucus and primary voters.

JiB:

Of course I see the PR nightmares, and I just don't understand why Newt supporters in particular, but Santorum somewhat too, play right into the hands of those hellbent on making it a catastrophic disaster.

I think it was CH who made the point that conservatives care about the poor and they are not supportive of the safety-net mentality. That may be true, but so what, Mitt wasn't touting the safety nets, he was explaining that his main focus is on helping the middle class. To play along with the lefty view that Romney doesn't care about the poor is a bad thing, IMO. Common sense says a man who gives millions to charity every year does care about the less fortunate. Even if you don't support Romney, you do not have to agree with the left when you know it isn't true.

It was "Dianne" who said Romney gave Colorado away to Santorum.

If you look at the vote totals, it is clear that the majority of primary voters stayed home. My theory is that they didn't see the point of wasting time for something that didn't have delegates to award. Last night, CNN was saying the weather was horrible. But for whatever reason, the total vote for all 4 candidates, in some counties, was less than the total Romney got alone in 2008. That is not just low turnout, that is extraordinarily low turnout. So, what we got was a caucus of the activists.

But last night in answer to one of DOT's gloats, I said that if Romney lost in Colorado, it would be a disaster PR-wise. And I believe it was close to a month ago that I was saying that Santorum would be the biggest stumbling block for Romney. Last night's sweep will provide Santorum a big boost of money, momentum, and best of all, being taken seriously finally and getting on all the shows.

Captain Hate

I think it was CH who made the point that conservatives care about the poor and they are not supportive of the safety-net mentality.

I think that was somebody else; not that I disagree with it.

Sara

Ext:

No, I wasn't referring to you, nor anything within the last couple of weeks. You have never struck me as one who uses ad hom attacks as a substitute for addressing an issue. Nor have I seen you try to be clever at the expense of another poster.

Maximus Severus Mattimus

The case listed by Drudge is exceptional. LUN.

In it, a Wayne County prosecutor seems to be trying to compel a pastor to testify against a penitent.

There really is an assault on religion taking place.

MarkO

KNO4

Not Sara

Well, Sara, Mitt did say he would raise the minimum wage--something that most conservatives do not want.

Charlie (Colorado)

Children, please. I've got a headache.

Clarice

Maximus.facts matter at law ..There are restrictions on privilege. Among the restrictions are that the penitent and priest must be the only two involved. Here the defendant had his mom along. Don't go nuts over this case. It isn't what it seems--that is to say it is well within accepted boundaries of the case law.

Jack is Back!

ChaCo,

Did you say children?

Me and Dad after he got back from WW2 and returned to the Southampton Volunteer Fire Department driving Agwan Engine Co. 1's white Mack pumper.

Jack is Back!

Someone tell me how to size these darn photos correctly. But full disclosure I only use iPhoto.

Benjamin Franklin

Oatmeal is good for you. But I recommend redwood bark as a fiber substitute, if your intent is to clean the pipes.

narciso

They really ask us to forget about the 9/1 disparity last time around, about the million dollar contribution from Goldman


http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/51177

Extraneus

What a great pic, Jack.

Clarice

The links between the Catholic Church in Chicago/Saul Alinsky and Obama..verry interesting..
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/theanchoress/2012/01/27/obama-alinksy-and-the-bishops/

MarkO

Great picture JiB.

Ranger

Eric Bolling just suggested that the administration really really wants this election to be about social issues, which is why they are attacking the Catholic Church.

Well, it is how the Dem in Illinois was able to get re-elected as governor, despite having run on Blago's tocket (and giving Blago an air of "integrity" by doing so) twice in a row. Quinn managed to convince just enough suburban Chicago moderates that a down state Republican was too dangerous on social issues to be allowed to be governor. Now those saps are paying 67% higher income taxes, Illinois is one of three states in the entire US where unemployment is actually going up right now, and the state still $8 billioin behind on paying its bills.

Ranger

BTW, breaking news:

Greece bailout: Coalition fail to agree cuts

Greek Prime Minister Lucas Papademos has failed to secure the support of his coalition for a raft of new austerity measures, reports say.

He was meeting officials from three parties to try to secure a deal leading to a fresh bailout package.

The main stumbling block in the crunch talks were proposed cuts to supplementary pensions, reports said.

I am sure they will work something out, right? I mean, just look at how they were able to patch things up in Yugoslavia at the last minute.

narciso

Well Greece is predominantly ethnically and relgiously homogenous, unlike the previous example;


http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/51166#comment-520144

Caro

JiB, in iPhoto,select the photo or photos. The under FILE, go to EXPORT. You will be able to change the size and quality there. Under SIZE, choose CUSTOM and choose Max WIDTH of 450 px. When you click EXPORT you can specify where to save the new size.

Hope this helps.

Ranger

Narc,

I was refering more to the propensity of national elites for self destruction.

In both cases the national elites put themselves in a situation where if they do what must be done to save the system, they will be removed from office. While if they just let the system collapse, they can blame it on others, and still rule in the ruble (at least that is their hope).

Barbara
Me and Dad after he got back from WW2

What a great photo, JIB! You look so proud of your dad. (Love your shoes, too.)

Soylent Red

If Mitt Romney is cold oatmeal, Ron Paul is clearly Fruit Loops.

narciso

So I don't see the cross tabs, here, of course
'Jazz' is all verklempt, so there is that to look forward to, Sarc

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/02/08/q-poll-obama-rebounding-in-virginia/

narciso

yes, that's true as far as it goes, the Serbs
much like the Sunni tribesman in Anbar, never
imagined they were anything but the rightful
ruler,

Melinda Romanoff

Soylent-

Was there an on-line poll for that? I must have missed it.

narciso

What does one need to do, to earn the BBC's reproach, It's on the tip of my tongue

http://spectator.org/blog/2012/02/08/who-the-bbc-calls-extremist

Soylent Red

Eric Bolling just suggested that the administration really really wants this election to be about social issues, which is why they are attacking the Catholic Church.

I had an interesting convo with a Mitt supporter today regarding Santorum and Zero's assault on religious freedom.

The abridged version is that Axelrod as much as admitted that the Zero Campaign will abandon the center. Attacking religion is a gambit to draw out fundies so that the old reliable pin the tail on the zealot game can commence. We both decided that Zero/Axelrod now realize that while they might not campaign to the center, they can just abandon it. Painting Republicans as religious nuts causes just enough doubt with the Muddle and the libertarian fringe to potentially keep them voting for the devil they know. This works against Santorum and Romney, both identified with being religious men.

But...

What the Big Fat Braintrust may not have calculated is that every Kennedy Catholic in the northeast is now put in the position of choosing between religion and politics. A fair proportion of them may just decide to avoid the decision altogether and not vote.

What we could not agree on is whether the Muddle's aversion to religious politicians is more powerful than the pull of Catholicism on those who see voting Democrat as a similarly religious obligation.

My guess is that this further galvanizes the left and right, but has no net effect on the muddle.

Porchlight

Great photo, JiB!

Benjamin Franklin

Get real. The majority of Catholics have been eating from their own menu for decades. I should think if you believe this nonsense about ACA and the 'terribly' controversial issue of (yikes and egads !)
con-tra-cep-tion....you should welcome it as good news because all those Catholics who voted for Obama are suddenly going to repent (God save the Pope !) and start using the rhythm method before they vote for a Mormon.......

Holy Moly.

Danube of Thought

"What do Rush, Hannity and Levin have to do with the immediate spin by Ashley Banfield and the rest of the CNN crew?"

What does Ashley Banfield have to do with those of us who haven't seen her in at least five years? If Romney and his stumblebums think the reason Republican voters are turning away from him in droves is that they are pawns of MSM opinion, they are dumber even than they appear to be.

Jane

Soylent,

I can't get over the fact that the entire country isn't standing up and screaming about the separation of church and state.

This has absolutely nothing to do with contraception (and why on earth should contraception be free?) and everything to do with abandoning the constitution. That is nothing but scary, and at the very least should guarantee that Obamacare is deemed unconstitutional on principle alone.

Rick Ballard

SR,

It's the muddle in the battleground states which counts. If you use the Independent category as a surrogate for the muddle and note that it's already 2/1 against BOzo in the battleground, then it's difficult to see any benefit at all in issuing the regulation.

I agree with you that it's probably a null factor with the muddle - is Team BOzo actually slower on the uptake than Team Romney? The risk/reward ratio is just terrible.

I lean towards Clarice's assessment that it's just progfodder.

Benjamin Franklin

"This has absolutely nothing to do with contraception"

I smell the odor of specious muleshit. It has everything to do with
contraception. Next they'll be insisting all hospital employees accept the Eucharist when they get their paycheck.

Danube of Thought

Marvelous pic, JiB.

TK, I wonder if Mr, Abruzzo shed any light on just why Madison's concerns about the closeness of an Elector to a president in office should trouble us now. He could start by listing all those instances in which an Elector has cast his vote contrary to the outcome of the vote in his state. And if Mr. jablonski was an elector in 2008 (I doubt that a new set has been selected since then), we know for a fact that he voted for McCain in that election. So please tell us the problem.

Who on earth can find something sinister in the fact that a lawyer active in party politics is married to a federal judge? Do the activities of Justice Thomas's wife concern you at all? Not me.

Danube of Thought

I predict Sebelius will back down.

Porchlight

Soylent,

Interesting. I think they can make some hay with that approach but last time they really needed the center to win. A lot of those people are hurting in the Zero economy and they really might not care what freaky so-con BS Axelplouffe wants to pull.

Old Lurker

Jane, it is another example of the two countries you spoke of the other night. Nearly half (there's that number again) of the country basically never goes the church. Those who do are much more likely to be republicans than democrat (about 60:35 IIRC).

Benjamin Franklin

"Do the activities of Justice Thomas's wife concern you at all? Not me."

Why would they concern you? Especially when it is your interests to be disinterested.

Porchlight

This has absolutely nothing to do with contraception (and why on earth should contraception be free?) and everything to do with abandoning the constitution.

Specifically, getting the RCC to knuckle under. It's the thin edge of the wedge. Successfully subvert the First Amendment here, and they can eventually do it anywhere. What's to stop them? Only the ballot box, and this stuff is totally arcane to the average Muddler.

With help from Providence the average Muddler will be fed up with this crowd for other reasons if not this one.

Danube of Thought

Enough about oatmeal.

Soylent Red

This has absolutely nothing to do with contraception (and why on earth should contraception be free?) and everything to do with abandoning the constitution.

That is a nuanced argument, and one which the Left will attempt to drown out with, "Look! Look! Republican religious nuts hate contraception! Why, they might even try to make contraception illegal!"

And yes, the whole country should be up in arms about the separation of church and state, but most people who aren't both religious and paying attention won't be bothered to care. Even some religious denominations won't care, because it doesn't involve the separation of the state from their church.

First they came for the Catholics, and I did nothing...

C.R.

The Anchoress has an interesting post questioning whether Daley left the White House because of the HHS mandate. LUN

Old Lurker

Per Gallup, the conservative:liberal church going split is 2:1 (55:27).

No wonder they are surprised.

Danube of Thought

Why would they concern you?

Why indeed. Why would they concern anyone, now that Anthony Weiner has stilled his tongue? Either the activities of a jurist's spouse should be of concern, or they should not. My strongly-held view, in all cases, is that they should not.

Cecil Turner

But we will eat the oatmeal in November.

I find it interesting that one party is apparently playing to its base, the other triangulating to the muddle.

So who's it working for?

Looks to me like the numbers are good, but the trend sucks.

Sara

What does Ashley Banfield have to do with those of us who haven't seen her in at least five years?

Yikes! A brain fart, I thought I typed Soledad Obrien. Ashley Banfield? Exactly!

Jack is Back!

Me and Dad. Resized thanks to Caro.

Ladies, I do not have those beautiful blonde locks anymore nor the shoes:)

Now we have an old letter typed from his hand written letter home by the local Episcopal church he belonged to since my grandmother probably would have hard time reading his hand writing. In it he discusses how in England they found out the local village had 3 orphans from the localized bombings by the Nazis. The men in his command took up a collection of 170 Quid and gave it to the local Anglican vicar who cried when he received it. Evidently it all got sorted out a the local pub that the padre frequented.

We have to find the village and pub and see if the orphans are still alive. Any help from all you great search engine mavens. He was with the 9th Air Force Command Depot in England up to May 1944 when he went to the company that would land on Normandy. His letter was written in February of 44, so its the Command Depot location which I believe is in Essex near Mark's Hall.

Threadkiller

Nope, he is new to the Elector gig.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_electors,_2008

And just in time.

Clarice

Now I can see JiB's curly blonde hair in the pic,,Cute.

Jane

OL,

I never go to church and I'm not Catholic. But I believe in the constitution.

BTW some unitarian minister just said 98% of women use birth control. That would assume that 98% of women are of child bearing age. What a joke.

Jack is Back!

Jane, of course, when you include abstinence and rythmn I suspect it is even more than that:)

Jane

First they came for the Catholics, and I did nothing...

I really am stunned. I shouldn't be, but I am.

Jane

JiB,

I would recognize you anywhere!

Barbara
We have to find the village and pub

Surely "daddy" can be of help here.

Benjamin Franklin

For those of you who doubt my qualifications, my imaginary son who served in Iraq has just confirmed to me that I am indeed an expert on specious muleshit.

Clarice

JiB, that might make a great public interest story. Why not contact Toby Harnden who's the Daily Mail's US editor and ask if the Mail is interested in checking out what happe ed?

Danube of Thought

"Nope, he is new to the Elector gig."

If he votes for Obama after the state's voters go for the Republican, I will eat my hat in the Coronado Firehouse.

Cecil Turner

First they came for the Catholics, and I did nothing...

The Catholic vote is a little better than a quarter of the electorate, disproportionately represented in battleground states, and generally splits fairly evenly (e.g., it went 54-44 for the GOP in 2010 54-45 for Obama in 2008, and 52-47 for Bush in 2004. If this in fact biases the Catholic vote against Dems (which historically has not been the case for most religious issues), then it's a political disaster.

This is a bit different than most past issues, both in the unified response from the various bishops and the promise of civil disobedience. That keeps it in the news (and as a subject touched on in sermons) and can't help the Dems. Looks like a self-inflicted wound of light to moderate severity, but getting worse the longer it lasts. I'd bet on a rowback, and that fairly soon.

narciso

This gives you a flavor of what they are about,


http://www.religiousinstitute.org/seminary

Sara

Jane:

Did you hear O'R say that only 29% of adults are paying any attention to the election and only 22% of the 18=49 year olds?

And I agree that Obama vs RCC is a Constitutional issue. Religious liberty.

Ranger

This has absolutely nothing to do with contraception (and why on earth should contraception be free?) and everything to do with abandoning the constitution.

Actually, I would say it is really about the left's War on Charity, along with eliminating tax deductions for charitable giving. The goal is to eliminate any conduit for social welfare that does not go through the state.

In Illinois they have essentially barred Catholic institutions from participation in the adoption process because they "forgot" to put a religious exception in the new "civil partnership" law. Even theough they claim they never intended to bar Catholic institutions via the law, they refuse to submit a religious exception change to the law for a vote.

narciso

I am trying to see where the gospel fits into her view, but it's a bit of a poser;


http://www.religiousinstitute.org/staff/the-rev-debra-w-haffner

Barbara
It's the thin edge of the wedge. Successfully subvert the First Amendment here, and they can eventually do it anywhere. What's to stop them?

Good point, Porch. Obama has indicated in the past that he intends to go around the Congress to implement what he wants. It seems this includes going around the Constitution as well. EPA and HHS regulations, ignoring the law to persist in his military activities in Libya, making appointments without the approval of the Senate - all are evidence of this. If he feels so confident before the election, I wonder what he has planned next.

Melinda Romanoff

JiB-

">Walter's Ash, Buckinghamshire, UK

RAF's High Wycombe Airdrome was located there, as was the 9th, which was formed on Feb. 22, 1944.

Benjamin Franklin

"For those of you who doubt my qualifications, my imaginary son who served in Iraq has just confirmed to me that I am indeed an expert on specious muleshit."

High praise from Ranger. lol

Ranger

Ben-Dana,

Why do you keep thinking it is me who does that?

Clarice

There may be some nefarious plot behind this HHS regulations flap but my guess is that's just ValJar and her tone deafness about the US. Maybe Obama will run on a second historic theme--that he's the first woman president in US history.

Janet

The links between the Catholic Church in Chicago/Saul Alinsky and Obama..verry interesting..

Clarice's 6:50 link is really interesting. Here is an old bookmark I had to an organization called So We Might See.

An interfaith leftist organization including the one mentioned at The Anchoress (USCCB) but also The Islamic Society of North America, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, United Church of Christ, Presbyterian Church USA,....
The protestant denominations involved are the really liberal branches that pretty much are about social justice more than a relationship with Almighty God.

Their new campaigns seem to be hate speech & childhood obesity.

A bit more on them -
"Washington, DC—A campaign effectively to censor conservative voices on the airwaves and sponsored by a Religious Left coalition has been suddenly dropped. Sponsored by George Soros’ Open Society Institute and the ACORN-supporting Wallace Global Fund, the “So We Might See” campaign called for advertisers to stop supporting the Glenn Beck and Lou Dobbs programs, as well as the firing of Dobbs. The "Color of Change" campaign targeting Beck has been removed from the “So We Might See” website, as has the “Drop Dobbs” campaign."

narciso

Yes, this strikes as the same 'strategic intelligence' that led to the Rio olympics
and Qatar World Cup selections, also attackwatch.

SWarren

Ranger,
Actually, I would say it is really about the left's War on Charity, along with eliminating tax deductions for charitable giving. The goal is to eliminate any conduit for social welfare that does not go through the state.


Yep, Dependency Index surges 23% under Obama

http://news.investors.com/Article.aspx?id=600452&ibdbot=1&p=2

Janet

I am trying to see where the gospel fits into her view,

Exactly, narciso. These are just political leftist organizations in religious disguise. They use some religious language...but they aren't about God at all.

Benjamin Franklin

"Actually, I would say it is really about the left's War on Charity, along with eliminating tax deductions for charitable giving. The goal is to eliminate any conduit for social welfare that does not go through the state."

Have you any idea of the wealth of the VATICAN?

Neither do I. Nor does anyone else. Let them eat cake.
If they ply their trade in Politics, the forfeit their 501(c) 3 status.

Jack is Back!

Mel,

Those are bases not Command Depots but will check it out. He was HQ so most likely Marks Hall and the church in Fordham near Cochester.

Will take Clarice's advice and pass on to Toby. My cousin in Herts is also working her magic. She is a family history expert.

But daddy, do not be discourared we sill need boots on the ground to cover all the pubs. Please, I beg you.

narciso

I mean they could call themselves the Pagan Institute, but as of now it's as real as the Human Fund,

Jack is Back!

BF,

Us Catholics forgive you and will pray for your soul while it either lingers in limbo or burns in hell. Take your pick and I'll put in a good word for you.

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