The Devil Made Him Do It

Matt Drudge is featuring a Rick Santorum speech from 2008:

"Satan has his sights on the United States of America!" Republican presidential hopeful Rick Santorum has declared. 

"Satan is attacking the great institutions of America, using those great vices of pride, vanity, and sensuality as the root to attack all of the strong plants that has so deeply rooted in the American tradition."

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The former senator from Pennsylvania warned in 2008 how politics and government are falling to Satan. 

"This is a spiritual war. And the Father of Lies has his sights on what you would think the Father of Lies would have his sights on: a good, decent, powerful, influential country - the United States of America. If you were Satan, who would you attack in this day and age?" 

"He attacks all of us and he attacks all of our institutions." 

Santorum made the provocative comments to students at Ave Maria University in Florida. 

That does not sound like a mainstream candidate for President.

Comments

[Neo]

This was 2008 before an adience of Catholics

[Neo]

2004: Q: What is sin ? Obama: Being out of alignment with my values.

[Rick Ballard]

"That does not sound like a mainstream Fnork candidate for President."

How true.

[Ignatz]

--That does not sound like a mainstream candidate for President.--

Indeed. These days a man who attends a church whose pastor calls on God to damn Amerika is much more mainstream than one who thanks the devil is our adversary.

[Boatbuilder]

"Mainstream" is a code word, used only to attack and denigrate Republicans. The problem is that the Republican political center (fnork) fears it so much that they are cowed into submission--there are some things (lots of them) that just aren't safe to talk about! Hence--Mitt.
Catholics believe in Satan. Santorum is a Catholic.
Probably a Catholic who has read "the Screwtape Letters."
And I'm guessing this was not a political speech. The President in 2008 was GWB.

[Ignatz]

*thInks* the devil is our adversary

[Crazy Bald Guy]

Neo... didn't he also say to the same audience of Catholics that Protestantism is gone from Christianity? How well do you think that sort of stuff will play with non-Catholics? Complaining that it was said years ago to an audience of Catholics isn't going to make Protestants any less angry when they see quotes like that from Santorum used in attack ads.

[Jack is Back!]

I want to hear all the contra arguments. If I was a smart lib or Dem I would not respond but I'm not. So have it trappees.

[Danube of Thought]

For those of us who don't believe in Satan, it sounds mighty loopy.

Perhaps it would help if he would expand a bit on who Satan is, and why he would give a shit one way or the other about our institutions. But perhaps not.

[Jack is Back!]

Satorum calls it Satan. Rush calls it Liberalism.

Any difference?

[Gmax]

The Bishop invoke St Michael the Archangel, which to any sentient Catholic means we are fighting evil and the evil one. I guess they are not mainstream either. How big is the exclusion from the mainstream, just practicing Catholics at something like 27% of the electorate, or does it also include evangelicals who probably combined with Catholics form a majority. Or is the mainstream simply the 30% of Republicans supporting Mitt? LOL

[Rick Ballard]

Boatbuilder,

Perhaps if we consider the mainstream as a torpid cloaca maxima, wending its way through Blue Hells, interrupted by outfalls of raw sewage from the great centers of cultural rot, we could come to a better understanding of the complete intended meaning? Taken in that sense, there's no way that Santorum could be considered to be standing in the stinking mainstream.

[centralcal]

eewww, Rick, that comment left an odorous stench. Anybody got some Febreeze to spray this thread with?

[Danube of Thought]

For present purposes, I think a good working definition of mainstream would be "those who do not believe that Satan has his eye on American institutions."

[sbw]

What do you expect from a people who think a metaphor is a model of Toyota.

[Not Sara]

Why on earth does he (Santorum) keep doing this????? It is definitely NOT a help to him as a candidate IMO.

[maryrose]

At least Santorum isn't afraid to call the real evil in the world Satan. Rev Wright{ who is back on the media radar} is the anti-Christ . So maybe we just say Rev Wright and his choir boy Obama are attacking all our US institutions and the land we love.
I do agree with TM. This kind of language is a gift to the dems.We need a candidate that can attract Independents and moderate Republicans. There I've said it. Let the flailing begin...

[Sara]

--That does not sound like a mainstream candidate for President.--

No it does not. It sounds suspiciously like a Jihadist/Muslim Extremist trying to rationalize or justify blowing up America to rid the world of the Great Satan.

Santorum is a religious wacko.

[Boatbuilder]

He should have stopped talking about his beliefs back in 2004 or something. What was he thinking?

[Gmax]

Gosh, isnt it amazing, there is no satisfactory definition of establishment, but there seems to be certitude on the same for mainstream. Maybe just maybe they are one and the same?

[Danube of Thought]

"Why on earth does he (Santorum) keep doing this????? "

There's going to be much more of this stuff bubbling up from the not-too-distant past, believe me. He could zip it up right now and he'd still be saddled with a bunch of bizarre sound-bytes out of his own mouth.

[centralcal]

He should have stopped talking about his beliefs back in 2004 or something. What was he thinking?

ha ha ha ha ha, Boatbuilder.

[mikey]

How many people who put off by these comments ever spent a day in church? He is standing at an altar. What is wrong with you guys?

[Threadkiller]

“keep the spirits clean around us”

[centralcal]

quelle horreur!

[narciso]

He was speaking at a Catholic University, on the nature of evil, four years ago, what was it Kevin Spacey's character said in 'Usual Suspects, which is ironic in light of what
would occur subsequently, 'the Devil's great
trick is convincing he doesn't exist;

[Gmax]

Articulating a widely held believe in a face of evil

Cheap and tawdry

Articulating a fatalist attitude cumulated by a single word "doom"

Priceless.

[Gmax]

believe = belief

[squaredance]

Well, something deeply evil has been attacking the "institutions" of America, such as they are, and has been doing this since, well, the New Deal. The difference is that this time around they have the GOP's open and enthusiastic collaboration.

Of course, as rightly pointed out above, it is right trivial to belong to a "church" like that of "Reverend" Wright, a church that preaches the vilest and most insane garbage imaginable; in fact, it is something to be proud of; to tout has proof one one's Christianity, humanity and worth as a candidate. Likewise, it is OK to have "Reverend" Al Sharpton get up on National TV and "preach" what is at the very least as vile and as loony as Mr. Wright's "doctrine". OK? More than just OK: he in fact gets a regular gig out of it.

But by golly, do not let a White Man, particularity one that is a Republican, get up and say a thing that even remotely approaches the truth.

There are at least 4 profound truths here:

1) Santorum happens to be right, more or less.

2) He is actually "out of the mainstream".

3) The "mainstream" is so vile, so corrupt and so despicably degenerate as to make #2 possible

4)The Democrats have managed to take absolutely anyone out of this contest who has any comprehension of what is going on whatsoever. They have mockingly throw it right in our faces.

They know just how stupid the American people are. One by one they have fallen: Palin, Cain, Perry, now Santoram. In all of this, the GOP either turned a blind eye our outright assisted the Left. Santorum is being taken out by GOP.

Just you wait for what the Left has planned for Romney. And that will be about Religion too!Obama is going to win! It is beyond belief! One would think it would be as impossible as corn sprouting from his forehead.

Or if he does not and Romney wins it will not make the slightest bit of difference!

In the most crucial election perhaps since that of Lincoln, perhaps the most crucial in our history, we are throwing it away!

And what is the crucial issue which the Democrats use? Why their opponents openly believe in good and evil; they believe in God.

This is how low we have fallen; how truly degenerate, degraded and abject we are: once American could not only not tolerate this sort of blasphemy, lies and hypocrisy, they could be relied on to sense it immediately. Once Americans detested and deplored Atheism in it politicians. Those Americans, it seems, have mostly died off.

The Democrats have staged a Communist coup and have now made the major issue religion. Even Russia was not so morally weak as to be so some lamely taken over by Communists. At least they fought a civil war over it. We are taken down by a bunch of collectivist flam flam artists. What drooling idiots the American people are.

Satanic attacks? Seems about right to me.

[matt]

The Rape of Nanjing, Hitler, World War I, Stalin's murders, Mao's Cultural Revolution, Tet 1968, Bin Laden, Jeffrey Dahmer, Casey Anthony, Susan Smith, Andersonville, Satan. Evil exists and transcends faith.

Dualism goes back to the Egyptians and Plato and Mosaic law and the Zoroastrians.The concept of karma is directly related as well.

Modernism simply attempted to substitute the metaphysical with the physical and that ain't working out too well.

As more of the world is taken up in fantasy and self absorption, reality becomes blurred.The philosophers have grappled with metaphysics across the globe and traditions and the duality of good and evil is one of the central considerations of our very existence regardless of nomenclature.

[Ben Franklin]

"What drooling idiots the American people are."

Excluding squaredance....lol

[Sara]

Santorum is bemoaning the degeneration of America from the purity of its Founders. A purity of spirit that included codified slavery of other human beings and women as chattel of their fathers or husbands.

[Danube of Thought]

"I don't think [birth control] works. I think it's harmful to women. I think it's harmful to our society to have a society that says that sex outside of marriage is something that should be encouraged or tolerated, particularly among the young. And I think we've very, very harmful longterm consequences to our society. Birth control to me enables that, and I don't think it's a healthy thing for our country."

--Rick Santorum, 2006

[Thomas Collins]

See LUN for Father Schall's thoughts on devil work. If we are going to discuss Satan, I thought it might be helpful to take into consideration Father Schall's views.

[bgates]

Lest we forget at least an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical: From all our legends, mythology and history (and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins -- or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom -- Lucifer.

The dedication from the first edition of "Rules for Radicals".

[Danube of Thought]

"something deeply evil has been attacking the 'institutions' of America"

Must be Satan.

[Janet]

didn't he also say to the same audience of Catholics that Protestantism is gone from Christianity?

No he did not. There is no doubt that many mainline Protestant denominations HAVE gotten away from Biblical Christianity & are nothing more than service institutions like The United Way using religious language. They have almost nothing to do with a relationship with Almighty God & the Bible. That is what he was referring to, & it is true.
I agree with most of the points Santorum has made. There is a really good book called "How Now Shall We Live" by Colson that talks about this exact situation. As our Judeo-Christian heritage fades, more & more people don't even understand the language of salvation or Biblical concepts.

Anyway, maybe someone could ask Obama why his mentor Alynsky dedicated his book to satan. Maybe they could ask Obama about his Christian faith? Some details about his beliefs? Does he believe the Bible?...if so, what does he think of satan? Or creation? Does Obama believe the Genesis account? Why are only Republicans asked these questions & given this scrutiny?

[Ignatz]

--A purity of spirit that included codified slavery of other human beings and women as chattel of their fathers or husbands.--

Good point.
We're now such a paragon of virtue that we codify plunging scissors into infants' heads and define innocent babies as not only chattel of their mothers, but disposable chattel at that.
We've come a long way baby.

[bgates]

That's not to say I think Santorum is helping make himself electable. Nor do I want him to. I think he'd be worse than Mitt.

[Clarice]

Didn't Lucifer used to post here?

[Walter]

Rick! is the kind of guy who is welcomed to speak at Ave Maria. This is the type of thing people talk about at Ave Maria.

QED

Sara, I have enough LDS friends to know that even though they (my friends at the very least) are level-headed, rational, and kind people, there are things they have said in the course of their religious practice that could sound loony out of context. Heck, I even know a few Masons who could have the same issues at lodge meetings. Sheesh.

Just so people can have their attacks ready, I am reliably informed that Rick! will participate in the following Q&A in the next 41 days. Prizes and awards to the person who catches it on tape!

V. Do you reject Satan? R. I do.

V. And all his works?

R. I do.

V. And all his empty promises?

R. I do.

[Not Sara]

Look, Santorum is certainly saying things about our society which are right--culture going down, no morals, etc., etc. but, it will not be accepted well. Most people, including me, do NOT want our president to tell us anything about what to do in our bedroom. Why on earth cannot he just appeal to the blue-collar workers and stress the importance of moral values in our today society w/out sermonizes about what he thinks we, as a people should do? It amazes me.

[Ignatz]

That 8:15 quote is standard Catholic orthodoxy of course, (and agreed with by not a particularly small number of Protestants) hardly some idiosyncratic view dreamed up by Santorum on his own.

[Gmax]

The Hill runs with the latest Gallup finding, and notice the last sentence:

Unemployment could rise back to 9 percent of the U.S. population in Feburary, according to a Gallup survey released Tuesday, painting a grim picture for the Obama administration, which had been temporarily buoyed by promising jobs figures at the end of January.

Gallup’s mid-month reading, which traditionally previews the government report issued at the end of the month, shows a rise of seven-tenths of a percentage from the 8.3 percent unemployment rate at the end of January. That would be the worst unemployment figure since September of last year.

The survey firm said seasonal factors — including job loss by seasonal workers hired over the holidays — could be responsible for the dip.

“Regardless of what the government reports, Gallup’s unemployment and underemployment measures show a sharp deterioration in job market conditions since mid-January,” the firm said in a statement accompanying the release of the data.

[Clarice]

Mary Davenport, MD is a devout Catholic and an OB-GYN who contends that hormonal contraception is dangerous to womens health.http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/02/the_wrath_of_the_abortion_movement_unleashed_on_komen.html

Whether it is or not, the view that it is (and Santorum should have been more precise about what he meant) is not crazy.

[Clarice]

From Davenport's article: "The incidence of breast cancer in younger women has increased, mainly due to lifestyle changes such as later childbearing, hormonal contraception, and induced abortion, although breast cancer can certainly occur without any of these factors. A recent study on linking the deadliest type of premenopausal breast cancer to the pill is a case in point."

[Ben Franklin]

"The dedication from the first edition of "Rules for Radicals".

Posted by: bgates | February 21, 2012 at 08:16 PM

Bullshit, asshole.

Go peddle your Beckisms to the morons who worship at your graven image.

[Gmax]

Walter probably in the next 7 days. And then in the next 7 days, and then the next 7 days etc etc. He is a practicing Catholic. He rejects Satan and all his works and all his empty promises weekly. Apparently though that is to be mocked.

[Boatbuilder]

I thought the voters were responsible for the dip--oh, never mind.

[Gmax]

I got to my dental office before my 8 AM sharp appt and watched with fascination a older gentleman bundled up against the crisp morning air and a companion hold a solitary vigil with placards, decrying taxpayer funded abortions in front of the Planned Parenthood office. I saw a rosary hanging out of the other hand. This man understood Satan and his evil works and was making a stand. I was in awe, especially when the receptionist told me, he is there every morning.

[Not Sara]

Gmax, I am not mocking Santorum. I just think he should concentrate on other things rather than Satan.

[centralcal]

Didn't Lucifer used to post here?

ha ha ha ha ha! Are we sure he has stopped?

[Sara]

No he did not. There is no doubt that many mainline Protestant denominations HAVE gotten away from Biblical Christianity & are nothing more than service institutions like The United Way using religious language. They have almost nothing to do with a relationship with Almighty God & the Bible. That is what he was referring to, & it is true.

He most certainly did and trying to explain it away is just more insult to millions of protestants who do not want Catholic Rick Santorum, or LDS Mitt Romney, or Baptists or anyone else telling them how they should relate to God. How do you even presume to make a statement like: "They have almost nothing to do with a relationship with Almighty God & the Bible?" Your way is not the only way nor is their any guarantee it is even close to the right way anymore than we can say whether any of them are the wrong way.

[Clarice]

He could be name shifting, CC. Yes, indeed...

[Gmax]

Not Sara, it was what something like 8 years ago in speech? Only one candidate has been running that long. Who brought it up? The media, or was it Romney's attack dog SuperPaC?

[matt]

The self appointed job of modern media is to uphold correct thought. Whether is is anthropogenic global warming, the debt crisis, statism, or crony capitalism, we are living in an age when institutions are failing to keep the playing field level.

the Santorum video was taken out of context, just as Romney's ability to do the job of president as a practicing Mormon is taken as a sign of dangerous religious radicalism just as Sarah Palin was and is being destroyed.

When scouring the sewers for any kind of dirt, and when using the tools outlined by Goebbels and Hollywood and Madison Avenue, you can take anyone apart and deconstruct them.

Saints are few and far between, and are uniquely unsuited for the office of president regardless.

But we have gone from a society that has demanded that a man or woman's measure be taken before entrusting them with the keys to the nuclear arsenal to one built upon hype and hypocrisy.

Crisis builds character and GWB the frat boy eventually became a man by dealing with his demons.I wouldn't introduce WJC to my daughters, but once he had an opposition Congress, it was more his moral transgressions that offended most of us.His failings on intel only became apparent later.

In Obama the country elected a tabula rasa, an empty slate upon which to project its dreams. Instead we got pretty much exactly what some of us suspected from the outset. he spent three quarters of a billion dollars, was completely unaccountable for that money, and used vague promises with a supine media and the visceral wish of many Americans to show that we had come a long way.

There are no excuses this time. We can test the candidates resolve, but must recognize that the past 3 years have been disastrous in far too many ways and that morally and ethically, this president has demeaned us.

So what's it gonna be?

[Thomas Collins]

Good thing lunatics such as Abraham Lincoln with all his Bible talk could never become POTUS in our society so enlightened by the scientific method.

[Boatbuilder]

Not Sara--I'm not wild about Santorum, less wild about Romney...but when has he spoken about Satan during the current campaign?

[narciso]

I think Mick Jagger said it before was in 1966, in 'Sympathy for the Devil'

[Clarice]

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Blotter/ap_thailand_explosion__nt_120221_ssv.jpg

OT--Gosh those Iranian splodeydopes really blend in and are hard to spot, aren't they?

[Rick Ballard]

Perhaps the EPA could be tasked with determining whether mainstream effluent was responsible for the contamination and destruction of mainline churches? I wonder how many PPM it takes to reach toxicity?

[Boatbuilder]

"...but what's troubling you is the nature of my game."

[Not Sara]

Well, GMax, whatever--Santorum did say it, and it has been brought up--it doesn't matter who did it--MSM or Romney. It's a fact, and he, Rick, did say it, and I think it will certainly raise questions. People simply do NOT want to have a presidential candidate being so santimonious.

[Sara]

GMAX: It was the left. I think it was Think Progress or some other lefty organization. And in case you are interested, it has been Ron Paul going after Santorum from the right on these issues, not Mitt Romney.

I haven't seen anyone mock Ricky for his personally held religious views, but the idea of having those views imposed from the bully pulpit does not sit well, even among his fellow Catholics and especially not with women voters.

[centralcal]

Oh, narciso, he is singing that tune tonight I imagine for President Obama. Yup, "Sympathy for the Devil," would surely fit at a White House performance.

[sbw]

I meant it.

Are progs and the media so literal that they cannot accept the concept of Satan as figurative, as manifest in the actions of people, or as literal?

Come on, people! Grow up! Stretch! Use the keen intellect God, . . . er . . ., Mother Nature gave you!

[Thomas Collins]

Never again could an uneducated hick such as Lincoln hope to become POTUS while suggesting that wars such as our Civil War reflect God's wrath upon both sides to the conflict. Thank Gaia!

[Gmax]

Gosh you dont want him to exercise his freedoms of speech and religion? How utterly fascist of you. Especially if reminding you of the nature of evil, makes you think or even worse makes you a little uncomfortable!

[Not Sara]

Boatbuilder, It matters not that Santorum has not spoken about Satan during the current campaign--he has said the quote, and it will continue to be repeated. I am not a Romney supporter nor a Santorum supporter--I am just trying frantically to find a person on the conservative side that I can support. The media has taken out my two favs.

[Gmax]

Please to meet you, hope you guess my name. But whats troubling you is the nature of my game...

[maryrose]

The MSM do not denounce Satan. They are Marxists.

[Ben Franklin]

"There are no excuses this time. We can test the candidates resolve, but must recognize that the past 3 years have been disastrous in far too many ways and that morally and ethically, this president has demeaned us.

So what's it gonna be?"

pistolas at twenty paces.....the Christian solution.

[Janet]

Are candidates not allowed to believe the Bible? If that is the real issue, then the MFM & others should just say that.
Maybe candidates can only pretend that they are Christians, like Obama....they can't really be one.

[centralcal]

The media has taken out my two favs.

Who is stronger? You or the media? You do not seem that pliable to me.

[narciso]

We cannot call evil by it's name, by word or deed, as someone remarked 'it's nothing to get worked up about' or 'I wouldn't use those
words exactly,' they never really say, what words they would use, to describe the destruction of the American economy, the defamation of a movement for liberty,

[Not Sara]

Well, Cc, I am not pliable, but when my two "favs" have been destroyed by the media, what is one to do?

[Ignatz]

--Bullshit, asshole.

Go peddle your Beckisms to the morons who worship at your graven image.--

Is that quote not from Rules For Radicals?
Numerous sources seem to confirm it is.

[Gmax]

A reminder that the non mainstream Bishops think we are fighting evil too:

Saint Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle;
be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray:
and do thou, O Prince of the heavenly host,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan and all the evil spirits
who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls.
Amen.

[Gmax]

what is one to do?

Perhaps not participate in the destruction of a third using words not spoken in the campaign?

Just a thought.

[centralcal]

Not Sara: neither of your "favs" has "been destroyed by the media." Toughen up girlfriend, it is gonna get a lot worse before this election is over, no matter who our nominee is.

Every patriot who wishes to get our country back will have to call upon some amount of courage. We cannot go getting the vapors with every 24-hour news cycle.

[Janet]

Is that quote not from Rules For Radicals?

Yes it is....it's in the copy I checked out from our library.

[narciso]

So, yet another lie, but what is that line about the truth and lies;

http://admin.bighollywood.breitbart.com/jjmnolte/2012/02/21/game-change-hit-job-video-from-2008-proves-hbos-latest-attack-on-palin-is-absurd/

[matt]

and for something completely different, the President's Yuppie Mardi Gras. LUN

[Boatbuilder]

Iggy--Apparently Dana got ripped off when he bought his signed copy...

[Gmax]

OK I find screen shots from Rules for Radicals all over the internet and here is the direct quote:

“Lest we forget, an over-the-shoulder acknowledgment to the very first radical:” (Pause there for second. Now continue): “from all our legends, mythology, and history(and who is to know where mythology leaves off and history begins — or which is which), the first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment and did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom — Lucifer.”

It looks like the featherman knows nothing of which he speaks. Shocking I know.

[Ben Franklin]

"Yes it is....it's in the copy I checked out from our library."

It's not a dedication, it's a quote along with one from Thomas Paine.

His dedication is to Jason and Irene. But let's assume Paine is a Luciferian, as well.

[Sara]

Gosh you dont want him to exercise his freedoms of speech and religion? How utterly fascist of you. Especially if reminding you of the nature of evil, makes you think or even worse makes you a little uncomfortable!

He can exercise his free speech rights all he wants. Stop trying to change the subject. Does Santorum make you uncomfortable? I could care less what he says about Satan or the proper way to conduct our lives or our relationship with our faith. He can say what he wants, that does not mean anyone has to agree with him or follow him or vote for him to lead the nation. We do not need a priest or a pastor or a president or a butinsky do gooder telling us how to exercise our faith or how to relate to God's Spirit within us. Some things are just too personal to allow government or presidential candidates to dictate.

[Gmax]

Who was he quoting? Looks like he was lauding Lucifer the first radical for being effective...

[Mad Jack]

This election is about Zero and the mess he has made of the economy. The rest is a sideshow. The Repub candidate who makes the best non-stop case concerning economic recovery will win the nomination.

[Gmax]

Sara dont you have some relatives to research or something? No one was talking to, as usual.

[narciso]

Why is bringing up a speech in a particular venue at a particular moment, which btw happened to be very prescient, I guess Burke's
admonition about 'all that is required for
evil, to triumph, is for good people to do nothing' should be ignored, too judgemental.

[Jane]

The problem is not in what Santorum says, it is in the need to justify or explain it. It is the exact same problem Romney has with Romneycare and Newt has with global warming. Barry claims that gas prices are the republicans fault and there is never a question about how or why, or a look at what he said in 2008 or 2004 or any other time. Meanwhile the media will pummel any republican until he is crippled.

And we buy into it.

[centralcal]

Gird your loins everyone, the MFM will make sure you see/hear this tomorrow:

MarkKnoller
Sound bite of the night: Pres Obama sings a few lines from "Sweet Home Chicago" during finale of "In Performance at the WH."

[centralcal]

Jane! I was just about to ask where the heck you were? Must've read my mind!

[Gmax]

Boy when John Kennedy was running it was fantastic that a Catholic could become President. Now apparently its recoiling that someone with those beliefs could get there? The difference near as I can tell is the D after the Kennedy name...

[Jane]

Busy busy day CC. I'm not used to working this hard.

[ME]

Santorum is being Palinized. I'm even more socially conservative than he is (yes, that's possible!), but I don't support Santorum because he doesn't seem smart enough to defend these positions adequately. (Also, he doesn't seem to understand how big-government policies can threaten subsidiarity and the family.) But as with Our Sarah, Santorum's enemies are such idiots that they tempt me to vote for him anyway, despite my serious concerns about his competence and electability.

Romney supporters should think long and hard before they call Santorum a "religious wacko," as someone did in the thread above. Walter quoted the first of the baptismal promises at 5:21. Roughly one billion people answer those questions affirmatively -- many of them despite persecution that makes our quarrel about HHS mandates seem trivial.

My dream candidate is Mitch Daniels, but even a former OMB director and wildly popular governor will be portrayed as a religious wacko in the general election. We know this already. Why do we care what New Yorkers think about Catholics? Republicans were never going to win NYC, Chicago, Seattle, or LA. We're trying to win the swing states where bitter clingers live, right? I don't see how Romney can win them over.

[daddy]

Watching Chris Christie on Piers Morgan on CNN in the Hotel.

Christie is wonderful in these situations. I love how he refuses to accept so many of the premises of Morgan's questions and immediately conter-attacks with boldness and clarity.

Especially enjoyed when Morgan threw out some line about shouldn't businesses do more "morally" to help the nation at the expense of delivering more money to fat-cats and stockholders etc, and Christie responding that he dislikes such "demagoguery" about fat-cats and stockholders, explain why their profits are so important to the nation, and then answers that if Piers is such a wonderful guy that thinks doing stuff like that is so important then he ought to quit CNN right now, become the CEO of humanitarian company, and start working for the Public.

Just threw the Warren Buffett question back in Pier's face.

I sure hope all our candidates are watching and taking notes. It's n education on how to go into these things, throw counterpunches, and walk out victorious---all while looking like a good guy.

[narciso]

Our local fishwrap, had a tautology, the other day, Catholics were cool because they voted for Obama, with the implication that the whole contraception thing was risking making them uncool.

[squaredance]

Of course, GMAX, he is to be mocked, right here on this so-called "conservative" site, and by such probing, deep minds and rapid-fire wits as Dot and "Sara". If it were not so wretchedly pathetic it would be the wildest hilarity.

Santorum might actually believe that there is a moral order to the cosmos, that there truth beyond mankind's puny mind and childish ego. He believes in God. Not only that, but he has the bad taste to actually talk about as if it mattered. How positively primitive of him. Cannot have that, not with all the "sophisticates" here at JOM.

Too funny. You people should listen to yourselves. Just listen to the multi-cult drivel coming out of someone like Sara's yap, or the prideful incredulity out of the "Creek of Obtuseness". Sounds like couple of Kos kids. Just shameful, but not as shameful as the rest of you putting up with this hogwash.

What self-deluded, smug hypocrites you are, mocking those of faith, treating as trivial that which is of the gravest import and darkest evil. Just what do you think the Left is up too? "Bad ideas"? DO you think nitwits like Obama or Hillary can do such damage on their own?

The crisis before America is not about "default spending" or "social policy"; these are is only symptoms.

You call yourselves "conservatives"? You are no such thing. Conservatives fill you with dread. They are just, well, just plain "icky". I mean they are "in our bedrooms" and all. Why better to toss away our whole civilization than to cutrail for even one nanosecond your masturbation, fornication and sodomy. Now that is important! How dare he!

(BTW, one thing RS manifestly is not doing is "getting in your bedroom". He is expressing an opinion, and one that rings throughout 2000 years of our history. But then, JOMer and, more importantly, JOMer's genitalia, far outclasses all that "old" stuff, that "icky" stuff. What wretched, bootless loins they be.)

Taken as a whole, JOMers have not the slightest grasp of who they actually are, what they really believe or just what seedy little patch of space, time and history they actually reside in. It is just a cauldron of menopausal resentment, tub thumping and naval gazing. Did I say "cauldron"? Tempest in a Teapot is more like it.

Go ahead, have a nice chuckle about RS.

Soon you will have nothing to laugh about. Nothing at all. Not that this will stop you from you gimcrack simulation of it.