It's not a fine day for the Irish - in an attempt to shamrock the vote, Team Obama has opened a new front in their war on Catholicism:
Now, just in time for St. Patrick’s Day, barackobama.com was peddling “O’Bama” T-shirts, playing on the president’s wee trace of Irish blood and his joke on a visit to Ireland last year that he had “come home to find the apostrophe that we lost somewhere along the way.”
But Mr. Hunt, an owner of Coogan’s in Washington Heights, noted something wrong with the message on the T-shirt itself: below the “O’Bama” was a large four-leaf clover. The shamrock, symbol of Ireland, is a three-leaf clover.
And why might a three-leaf shamrock have significance?
According to tradition, St. Patrick himself used the three-leaf clover to illustrate the Holy Trinity. Christopher Cahill, executive director of the American Irish Historical Society said that while that might be apocryphal — “basically everything associated with St. Patrick is essentially legend,” he said — the shamrock, derived from seamróg, meaning “little clover,” is properly depicted with three leaves.
C'mon, eager Obama staffers - "Trinity" is not just a Matrix reference.
This whole cultural sensitivity thing can get tricky when you aren't on the same page with the bitter-clingers. Maybe Team Obama could invest in a subscription to Google just to keep themselves in the mainstream.
I APPLAUD THEIR TEAM SPIRIT: The smartest Whte House ever - EVER! - is probably just trying to distract from Joe Biden's Road trip.
First?
Posted by: MarkO | February 23, 2012 at 01:59 PM
The 4 leaf clover has always been considered lucky. I suspect that is what they were aiming for.
Posted by: Sue | February 23, 2012 at 02:03 PM
"I want a piece of this, and a piece of that"
http://pjmedia.com/blog/the-aipac-showdown-obama-vs-bibi-peres/
"Obama, meanwhile, will be double-teamed at AIPAC: Both Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Israeli President Shimon Peres are coming to speak.
On March 5, Obama and Netanyahu meet at the White House. National Security Adviser Tom Donilon just returned from Israel in an effort to pave the way for those talks.
Netanyahu also addressed AIPAC last year, the night before he addressed a joint session of Congress. That May 2011 meeting between Obama and Netanyahu was described as “frosty,” a day after Obama stated that a Palestinian state should be based on pre-1967 borders.
“Israel wants peace, I want peace,” Netanyahu said after the Oval Office meeting. “But the only peace that will endure is one based on reality.”
Posted by: Ben Franklin | February 23, 2012 at 02:10 PM
Obama's looking for his Lucky Charms
Posted by: matt | February 23, 2012 at 02:13 PM
Perhaps Obama intends to add himself to the Trinity, making it, what, a quadrinity?
Posted by: jimmyk | February 23, 2012 at 02:20 PM
I'm looking over a four-leaf clover
That I overlooked before
One leaf is sunshine, the second is rain
Third is the roses that grow in the lane
No need explaining, the
oneWon remainingIs somebody I adore
I'm looking over a four-leaf clover
That I overlooked before
Posted by: Sara | February 23, 2012 at 02:22 PM
Obama: ...the two Grogans was one, Mike Finn was two and meself was three ... I coulda sworn there was four of us ...
(old Irish joke)
Posted by: Chubby | February 23, 2012 at 02:27 PM
1- God
2- Jesus
3- Holy Spirit
4- Obama
Come on TM, he's not the ONE for nothing.
Posted by: Barry Dauphin | February 23, 2012 at 02:33 PM
But Mr. Hunt, an owner of Coogan’s in Washington Heights, noted something wrong with the message on the T-shirt itself: below the “O’Bama” was a large four-leaf clover. The shamrock, symbol of Ireland, is a three-leaf clover.
I simply cannot tell you how much this made me laugh. This administrations idiocy knows no bounds.
Posted by: Jane | February 23, 2012 at 02:37 PM
I know, I know, Jane. But, I am afraid that their idiocy will not prevent Obama's re-election.
Posted by: Not Sara | February 23, 2012 at 02:52 PM
At least they didn't use a cannabis leaf, with which we know that Zero Apostrophe Bama (but not B(l)arney) has more than a passing familiarity.
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | February 23, 2012 at 02:56 PM
making it, what, a quadrinity?
An Obamanation.
Posted by: Captain Hate | February 23, 2012 at 03:00 PM
Art Mooney Sings his #1 Hit from 1946
O'Bama, sur-en-beejesus!
Posted by: Jack is Back! | February 23, 2012 at 03:01 PM
Let us not forget that the same people who proclaim that unemployed Americans stimulate the economy made this decision to replace the symbol of Ireland with their own.
Posted by: Jack is Back! | February 23, 2012 at 03:03 PM
I am afraid that their idiocy will not prevent Obama's re-election.
Oh yes it will.
On his big energy speech today Obama got one thing right. He said the republicans would say only thing about bring down gas prices: "Drill, drill, drill".
(He forgot the "baby" part)
Posted by: Jane | February 23, 2012 at 03:06 PM
In the "find the apostrophe" link it goes to a NY Times report of his visit to Moneygale and notes that he had a pint of stout and Michelle had a half-pint of stout. All my visits to Ireland for pleasure and business (considerable believe me) I have never heard the word half-pint used. You have a pint and then if you want something less than that you ask for a "glass". You would think the paper of record could get a simple libation correct. Geeez!
Posted by: Jack is Back! | February 23, 2012 at 03:09 PM
Gallup: Romney up by four on Obama
Sorry to bring you such bad news, but sometimes I just can't help myself.
Posted by: Sara | February 23, 2012 at 03:14 PM
Really Sara? Anytime Obama is not leading is good news around here. You must try harder to find bad news. Or help yourself. Either one.
Posted by: Sue | February 23, 2012 at 03:16 PM
Man charged after cooking own meal at Denny's
Posted by: Extraneus | February 23, 2012 at 03:20 PM
Maybe St. Patrick could come back and rid the White House of snakes.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | February 23, 2012 at 03:20 PM
C'mon, eager Obama staffers - "Trinity" is not just a Matrix reference.
Yes, but I don't think they're allowed to say the word in a religious context.
Posted by: bgates | February 23, 2012 at 03:22 PM
You must try harder to find bad news.
Or you should try harder to lighten up. LOL.
Posted by: Sara | February 23, 2012 at 03:24 PM
Ext, did he sign a recall petition first? I think that is a get out of jail free card in Madison.
Posted by: heny | February 23, 2012 at 03:26 PM
Sara, check my 1:32 p.m. post on the Shovel Ready thread.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | February 23, 2012 at 03:27 PM
in news from the world of science, it seems there was a loose connection in the Large Hadron Collider. LUN.
Square root, tangent, hyperbolic sine!
Three point one four one five nine!
e to the x, dy, dx!
Sliderule, slipstick, Tech, Tech, Tech!
Posted by: matt | February 23, 2012 at 03:28 PM
Sue, you remain a treasure.
Sara, you haven't been reading JOM lately, and it shows.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | February 23, 2012 at 03:29 PM
And the Shamrock Shake is back at McDonald's!
Posted by: pwt | February 23, 2012 at 03:29 PM
Alinsky-tied group awarded $56 million federal loan for health insurance project
Posted by: Extraneus | February 23, 2012 at 03:32 PM
"Sara, you haven't been reading JOM lately, and it shows."
So said the Chief Scarecrow.
Posted by: Ben Franklin | February 23, 2012 at 03:35 PM
Or you should try harder to lighten up. LOL.
Oh yeah. I forgot which one of us is always so pissed off around here. Forgive me. I will definitely try harder to lighten up.
Posted by: Sue | February 23, 2012 at 03:38 PM
I'm willing to cut them some slack on this. The "O'Bama is an auld Irish name" schtick is obviously whimsical, and the 4-leaf clover goes right along with it.
And considering Obama's actual abilities and accomplishments, the fact that he was elected president of the US does make him one lucky bastard.
Posted by: cathyf | February 23, 2012 at 03:38 PM
I'm looking over my dead dog Rover
That I overran with the mower.
One leg is missing, another is gone,
One leg is scattered all over the lawn.
No need explaining, the one remaining, Is stuck in the kitchen door.
I'm looking over my dead dog Rover
That I overran with the mower.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | February 23, 2012 at 03:39 PM
--But Mr. Hunt, an owner of Coogan’s in Washington Heights, noted something wrong with the message on the T-shirt itself: below the “O’Bama” was a large four-leaf clover.--
If you were a fake of the monumental proportions of Barry, who had skated your entire life, with a happy assist of a free ride by guilt ridden white lefties and had somehow improbably stumble-bummed your way into the White House on a pair of jug ears, a baritone and a flim flam man's audacity wouldn't you consider the four leaf clover the perfect symbol for your entire life?
Posted by: Ignatz | February 23, 2012 at 03:45 PM
From TVNewser:
For what will likely be the final debate of the GOP primary season, CNN drew 4.7 million Total Viewers and 1.4 million A25-54 viewers for last night’s Arizona face-off. This makes it the least watched debate since CNN’s Nov. 22 contest which drew 3.6 million Total Viewers.
Posted by: centralcal | February 23, 2012 at 03:46 PM
Absolutely Iggy; and worry about a proctologist removing the horseshoe.
Posted by: Captain Hate | February 23, 2012 at 04:02 PM
I take that as good news, Ccal.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | February 23, 2012 at 04:05 PM
Yeah, DoT, the debates have done all the good they can do and all the damage they can do, and now they just disgust the voters.
I wonder too, how many started watching last night and changed channels after the first 20 minutes or so. It was so bad, I muted it and went outside on my patio for awhile.
Posted by: centralcal | February 23, 2012 at 04:10 PM
I forgot which one of us is always so pissed off around here.
Pissed off? LOL. Not worth that kind of energy, Sue. You guys live to get pissed off about every little thing. And if you can't find a legitimate reason, then you set up strawmen and go after them.
Posted by: Sara | February 23, 2012 at 04:15 PM
LOL. Not worth that kind of energy, Sue.
Well, that is progress. See how easy it was to help yourself?
Posted by: Sue | February 23, 2012 at 04:18 PM
My God, "not worth the energy"? This from the woman who was posting within hours of having her arm broken after making her son post in the hours she was under anesthetic?
Yeah right.
Posted by: Jane | February 23, 2012 at 04:22 PM
LOL
Posted by: Clarice | February 23, 2012 at 04:23 PM
And if you can't find a legitimate reason, then you set up strawmen and go after them.
snort
Posted by: Porchlight | February 23, 2012 at 04:28 PM
Eddie Haskell can be such a noob;
http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/02/23/carney-severe-apology-to-karzai-not-appropriate-for-reporters-to-see/#comments
Posted by: narciso | February 23, 2012 at 04:30 PM
Sara, you haven't been reading JOM lately, and it shows.
Not true, DOT. I read all the posts. I just decided I would no longer comment to things that make me gag, such as Ann's praise of GMAX for being so "positive." The nastiest person who comes here, who goes out of his way to start trouble and gin up controversy, is so positive? All one can do is roll the eyes and move on.
It is a stunning day, 84 degrees, bright and sunny, perfectly clear skies. Tricky Ricky had his clock cleaned last night, my guy held his own, and life is good. There is a world outside JOM, a delightful world of happy, productive people who enjoy life too. So have a good day! I am.
Posted by: Sara | February 23, 2012 at 04:32 PM
My God, "not worth the energy"? This from the woman who was posting within hours of having her arm broken after making her son post in the hours she was under anesthetic?
Pathetic! We were having fun and having a rare moment of bonding, but, of course, that is grounds for mocking. Pathetic! Pathetic! Pathetic!
And very silly too.
Posted by: Sara | February 23, 2012 at 04:36 PM
Narc, From your link Obama apologizes and Carney blames Bush
Posted by: 43 | February 23, 2012 at 04:39 PM
Not true, DOT. I read all the posts.
Yet you said you were bringing us the news of that poll upthread. Only it wasn't news at all, was it? Because, as you must have already known because you read all the posts, DoT had already posted the poll earlier today, on an earlier thread.
Posted by: Porchlight | February 23, 2012 at 04:42 PM
The debate did serve to stall Santorum's momentum, which was the purpose of the exercise, despite Newt's rather spirited
performance,
Posted by: narciso | February 23, 2012 at 04:44 PM
Oh how fun, I see our
snarlingcharming commenter is spreading rays of sunshine per her usual.Posted by: centralcal | February 23, 2012 at 04:46 PM
"Oh how fun, I see our snarling charming commenter is spreading rays of sunshine per her usual."
Welcome to the World of Conservative Tolerance !
The new Donner/Danyoob Party.
We have the Biggest Tent. Really !
Posted by: Ben Franklin | February 23, 2012 at 04:50 PM
That I overran with the mower.
One leg is
missingshattered, another is gone,One leg is scattered all over the lawn.
I know DoT's is the traditional version, but I like my internal rhyme. Cole Porter, eat your heart out!
Posted by: MJW | February 23, 2012 at 04:55 PM
Oh no I am absolutely crushed. How will I ever deal with the rejection of the excitable melodramatic one?
Posted by: GMAX | February 23, 2012 at 04:57 PM
--I just decided I would no longer comment to things that make me gag, such as Ann's praise of GMAX for being so "positive."--
I have no doubt Ann may very well think Gmax is the bees knees in sundry ways, but just to be accurate she was referring to his continued belief and posting of info indicating that Barry will lose in November.
Posted by: Ignatz | February 23, 2012 at 05:05 PM
Obama on high energy costs "It's not my fault". LUN
I can't believe this guy.
Posted by: matt | February 23, 2012 at 05:15 PM
matt,
Here is how solar works in the right enviroment with a captive clientele who have skin in the game and its in Chile:)
Posted by: Jack is Back! | February 23, 2012 at 05:21 PM
Actually, it was just Obama's way of trying to con you into thinking he is just a regular kind of quy. Who the hell is he kidding pulling the wool over your eyes. He is one of the 1% wealthy ruling class that supports war. He rushed to get the troops out of Iraq by the end of 2011. He only did that because the Iraqi government gave him no choice. They refused to extend immunity for bloody war crimes to USA soldiers as of 2012. So Obama rushed to pull them out. War crimes still are allowed in Afghanistan as was seen not to long ago in front page news photos. You have to ask, if that was all it took to end the fighting, why did bloody Obama not do so sooner. He has been in office for three years! Think of those soldiers killed or disabled. The families have to deal with that now. It is no skin off Obama's nose. He is just raking in the money and happy to take vacations. What bloody war? Check out www.bush-it-usa.com. Art is powerful.
Posted by: scott Patrick | February 23, 2012 at 05:27 PM
President Oblarney.
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Posted by: Dave (in MA) | February 23, 2012 at 05:29 PM
Good post, matt.
In an election year, as gas prices rise according to his Energy Secretary's stated plan:
"Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe."
Let's see if the nuclear reactor ever gets built.
Posted by: Extraneus | February 23, 2012 at 05:31 PM
Hey, Dave, I lost my decoder, guy.
Posted by: Clarice | February 23, 2012 at 05:35 PM
huh?
I don't know what that means but it is late enough in the afternoon for a Pink Flamingo Feather to sound intriguing.
Does it come with an umbrella?
Frozen or on the rocks?
Posted by: rse | February 23, 2012 at 05:36 PM
scott;
You are misinformed. Obama's agenda all along was to remove the troops as fast as possible from Iraq. The internal squabbling of the Iraqi parliament simply gave him cover and the various factions opposing America another easy target.
As to war crimes, they were very few and far between. Try visiting Dachau or Auschwitz if you want to see real war crimes.
The United States spent a trillion dollars and got nothing for it. If you want to talk about the waste of lives and money in a foolish venture, go right ahead but please don't peddle that particular brand of BS around here.
Posted by: matt | February 23, 2012 at 05:43 PM
Sara, always good to see you. It is indeed a beautiful day in our CA neighborhood.
It is difficult, however, to understand why anyone who disdains the camaraderie of JOM would come here to be vulgar and cruel when *he* could be elsewhere. The Grove House is always pleasant, as is the Botanic Gardens, so why come here unless a heart is filled with hate?
Didn't Obama learn bout trinity from Rev. Wright or was he not paying attention on that Sunday either?
Posted by: Frau Nebenan | February 23, 2012 at 05:45 PM
one of the driest deserts in the world. limited infrastructure. huge energy demands. primarily daytime operations. It makes all the sense in the world.
Posted by: matt | February 23, 2012 at 05:45 PM
An interesting example of how the media manipulates debates from Big Journalism:
-----
During last night’s Republican presidential debate, a member of the audience stood up and asked the candidates a very simple question on Iran (my emphasis):
QUESTION: Hi, my name is Ken Taylor (ph) from Wickenberg, Arizona and my question to all the candidates is, how do you plan on dealing with the growing nuclear threat in Iran?
----
Pretty simple and straightforward question, yes? No, not after John King gets done reframing and rephrasing it and turns it into how are you going to deal with Israel.
Posted by: centralcal | February 23, 2012 at 05:49 PM
U.S. response to Koran burning could fan flames, analysts warn
I have an idea. How about "In response to the two Americans killed, two million Korans will be burned, even if we don't have enough of yours in the warehouse and have to print some of them ourselves"?
How about making those people be Muslims?Posted by: Extraneus | February 23, 2012 at 05:58 PM
Thanks for linking to your blog, matt. I don't believe I will live to see the completion of a new nuclear power plant. Before the 2006 elections, Pelosi promised that the Dems had a plan to bring down the price of gasoline. I guess they are still hiding it from us.
Posted by: Frau Nebenan | February 23, 2012 at 05:59 PM
I'm really looking forward to see this tomorrow;
http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/cftoto/2012/02/23/act-of-valor-review-a-fist-pumping-antidote-to-hollywoods-anti-military-propaganda/
Posted by: narciso | February 23, 2012 at 06:07 PM
Well yes, but Newt saw through that folderall fairly quickly, but one can be expected with
a network one of whose reporters, Octavia Nasr
cried over the passing of Hezbollah's Fadlallah.
Posted by: narciso | February 23, 2012 at 06:09 PM
Yeah, and didn't they "can" Octavia right afterward? Crying women on CNN is nothing new. The very last time I watched (on a regular basis) it was Judy Woodruff crying because John Kerry had lost to Bush. Which reminds me, she was gone not too long after that too. Guess you can be as biased as you want, just don't cry on air.
Posted by: centralcal | February 23, 2012 at 06:14 PM
I'm making more of a point, about their mindset, first typified by Turner insisting
on international, instead of foreign, their
analyst shows that always put Israel in the
crossfire,
Posted by: narciso | February 23, 2012 at 06:18 PM
Yes, narciso.
Do we have a candidate with the guts?Posted by: Extraneus | February 23, 2012 at 06:19 PM
I have an idea. How about "In response to the two Americans killed, two million Korans will be burned, even if we don't have enough of yours in the warehouse and have to print some of them ourselves"?
Not bad. Mine would be: "In response to the two Americans killed we're turning half of your country into a sheet of glass. One more killed and we start on the other half."
But then I'm a bloodthirsty, warmongering, slack-jawed, ignorant, Jesus-luving, snake-handling white male wingnut.
Posted by: lyle | February 23, 2012 at 06:20 PM
Great link at 5:49 centralcal. Really interesting how "the show" is so manipulated.
Posted by: Janet | February 23, 2012 at 06:22 PM
I am constantly amazed by the positive charge. I dont really consider myself as being "positive" as much as I have drilled down inside of so many polls over so many months, that I really dont see a path for Zero to gain reelection. I am just reporting what I am seeing. Well that and countering the often offered opinion a couple of weeks ago that the Bishops were going to fold like a beach chair, which I think I have been proven to be dead solid perfect upon their response.
Now positive, I am positive about my wife and family. And the Spartans under Izzo! That is more faith based however, LOL.
Posted by: Gmax | February 23, 2012 at 06:23 PM
Judy Woodruff crying because John Kerry had lost to Bush.
GWB frustrated the hell out of me over many things. Keeping that POS and the other, Al Gore, out of the WH was not one of them.
Posted by: lyle | February 23, 2012 at 06:25 PM
That would be the Jacksonian impulse, Lyle, of course for the likes of Powell or Casey,
that's all too crude,
Posted by: narciso | February 23, 2012 at 06:26 PM
Ok guys; is this as bad as it gets? http://weaselzippers.us/2012/02/23/pennsylvania-muslim-admits-to-attacking-atheist-muslim-judge-dismisses-case-lectures-atheist-on-joys-of-islam/
Posted by: Captain Hate | February 23, 2012 at 06:28 PM
Jackson was a wingnut like me, narc? YES!!
Posted by: lyle | February 23, 2012 at 06:29 PM
"But then I'm a bloodthirsty, warmongering, slack-jawed, ignorant, Jesus-luving, snake-handling white male wingnut."
Add; who hates our troops, and only cares about Republican supervised wars with no justification, other than the aforementioned.
Posted by: Ben Franklin | February 23, 2012 at 06:29 PM
I could be talked into that, lyle, after a proper ratcheting up.
Posted by: Extraneus | February 23, 2012 at 06:29 PM
Facetiousness awareness isn't your strong point is it, feather boy?
Posted by: lyle | February 23, 2012 at 06:34 PM
Lyle unless he lights a match, it very dark where his head is buried.
Posted by: Gmax | February 23, 2012 at 06:36 PM
"after a proper ratcheting up."
An unfortunate choice of words, ma'am.
Posted by: Ben Franklin | February 23, 2012 at 06:38 PM
It is a remarkable double standard, and he didn't even bother to use the figleaf of
Chaplinsky's fighting words;
http://www.opposingviews.com/i/society/crime/muslim-admits-attacking-atheist-muslim-judge-dismisses-case
Posted by: narciso | February 23, 2012 at 06:43 PM
I wonder if the Muslims would back off if someone put a gun up to a copy of the Koran and held it hostage?
Posted by: matt | February 23, 2012 at 06:46 PM
In all seriousness, even after a decade of war, we haven't seen the slightest indication that any real Muslim leaders are willing to crack down on the "extremists." That's because they can't. They know the extremists are actually following Allah's will. They're not extremists; they're fundamentalists, and they're doing what their book told them to do. Yet we profess to respect their book instead of shoving one up their asses before we bury them.
I guess I'm a slack-jawed warmongerer, too.
Posted by: Extraneus | February 23, 2012 at 06:46 PM
So here's a good example of how the MSM works in tandem with Obama.
Feb 16: Politico has a story with the lede: "Gasoline prices are on the rise, and Republicans are licking their chops."
Of course, nothing in the story supports the insinuation that Republicans are happy about higher gas prices, only that they are critical of administration policy.
Then today, Barry puts it in a speech:
It's the old "big lie" technique, straight out of "Der Sturmer." And of course no one will call him on it.
Posted by: jimmyk | February 23, 2012 at 06:49 PM
Alright, ext. lyle's making converts right and left. As a bonus, I'll exempt from the snake handling.
Posted by: lyle | February 23, 2012 at 06:50 PM
" They're not extremists; they're fundamentalists,"
A distinction without a difference. It doesn't make you a war-monger, just confused.
Posted by: Ben Franklin | February 23, 2012 at 06:52 PM
It's the old "big lie" technique, straight out of "Der Sturmer." And of course no one will call him on it.
Is there a white courtesy phone in hell? If so, Mr. Gramsci, please pick it up.
Posted by: lyle | February 23, 2012 at 06:52 PM
"All one can do is roll the eyes and move on."
Good plan.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | February 23, 2012 at 06:56 PM
"Add; who hates our troops..."
Odd statement, coming from a draft-dodger.
Posted by: Danube of Thought | February 23, 2012 at 06:59 PM
It is rare than there is a depiction of what
the most militant public form of Islam entails, the most recent example was the film
the Kingdom, which it turns out was based on real events, the bombings in the KSA in 2003 and 2004, showing the utter contempt they have for unbelievers, for lack of a better word, In the end, they retconned an equivalence with the FBI team.
Posted by: narciso | February 23, 2012 at 07:00 PM
I like GMAX's positive comments. JFTR
Posted by: Barbara | February 23, 2012 at 07:00 PM
Duke at FSU. I'm trying to gin up some of Gmax's irrational optimism. I'm not in Vegas, but I can see a handle.
Posted by: MarkO | February 23, 2012 at 07:03 PM
Muslim courts in the Kingdom rank Christians as a fraction of a Muslim, out ranking only Jews in the law...
Posted by: Gmax | February 23, 2012 at 07:04 PM
sex video of overweight, slick haired lawyer banging aging insecure new ager will never see the light of day. LUN. What a shame.....
Posted by: matt | February 23, 2012 at 07:05 PM
MarkO those are apostate choices. False choices, empty promises. Come over to the Izzone and see the light.
Posted by: Gmax | February 23, 2012 at 07:07 PM
"Odd statement, coming from a draft-dodger."
We only have your assurance on Navel service. What can you provide to support, trial lawyer?
Posted by: Ben Franklin | February 23, 2012 at 07:09 PM