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Danube of Thought

First. And would settle for last.

Neo

Romney must now know that if he loses Michigan, he will “die a death of a thousand forks.”

Neo

Sometimes you have to wonder if there are some associations that are forged in Hell.

I wonder if any money passes hands, at all !

bgates

In 2010 Barack and Michele reported a Gross Income of $1.795 million

-which does not include the value of the house they live in, the meals that are prepared for them, their ability to commandeer government property to fly off on a whim, the fact that they can summon virtually any celebrity in the world to entertain them at home at no personal cost....

$49,000 was due to a tax-deductible contribution to self-employed retirement plan

Where do these millionaire one percenters get off exploiting loopholes to avoid paying their fair share?

Pops

Of course Obamas income is actually 100 times what he reported, because the government does not require government functionaries to include all their perks as reportable income. If someone gives Romney a jet to use, he has to claim it.

If Obama uses a jet, its just past to the taxpayer to foot the bill and Obama doesn't have to claim it as income. Same with his housing, food, parties, vacations, loaned houses, etc. etc.

So their point is Obama will give to charity, but only when other people are paying all of his other life expenses.

bgates

What expenses do those horrible people have?

* Mortgage payments on the mansion in Chicago (lower than they would otherwise be thanks to the intervention of their close friend federal convict Tony Rezko)

* Tuition payments to make sure their own children are not victimized by the miserable public schools their party inflicts on poor children in the area

What else? What other expenses that normal people (and Romney, Santorum, and Gingrich) have to face are problems for the Obamas? Gas money? College fund? Those girls won't be charged a dime unless they went to Hillsdale. I can't believe they're such chiselers they put money into a retirement account, as if they're not guaranteed oceans of money for the rest of their lives far beyond the Presidential pension (which benefit I imagine doesn't figure in to the "second-lowest income" either).

The fact is their disposable income was $1,795,000, and they couldn't be bothered to give away more than 13.6% of that.

Gmax

TM are you claiming that Obama cynically increased his donations in the year prior to election as a reelection ploy? Perish the thought, next you are going to tell me he would offer free birth control and a fantasy budget to further his reelection. We have to draw the line on such cynicism.

hit and run

Gmax:
TM are you claiming that Obama cynically increased his donations in the year prior to election

I can't speak for TM. But I claimed as much . . . back in April of 2007.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2007/04/charitable_to_obama.html

Gmax

Yeah Jeff, but we are talking about the erudite and sophisticated TM here, not some country bumpkin living in the racist South, like you and I. WINK.

MarkO

Let me borrow from Bobby Vinton to explain this article.

Blow on blow.

hit and run

But but but I'm a s o p h i s t i c a t e d country bumpkin.

::he says while sitting in a beach chair in his driveway (In February? God bless global warming!) with a glass of tito's on the arm rest listening to classic rock blaring from his garage radio with laptop in his . . . well . . . lap::


sammy small

Interesting outlook from James Delingpole: The cure is far worse than the disease

Jane

I dunno sammy, I'm not sure we have that much time.

Gmax

BTW Geraghty quote Jeff Dobbs again just yesterday, not bad for a country bumpkin or should I say an erudite, sophisticated country bumpkin?

not_bubarooni

"he says while sitting in a beach chair in his driveway (In February? God bless global warming!) with a glass of tito's on the arm rest listening to classic rock blaring from his garage radio with laptop in his . . . well . . . lap::"

Ha!

I'm doing the exact same thing, though I'm drinking Drifter Pale Ale. Helps to burnish my country bumpkin persona.

I earned it though. I just mowed the yard on and I'm in Southern Indiana. Global warming is AWESOME!

mark

Well - twisting these numbers to come up with a win for Obama...

*obama did save us from 30% unemployment.
*obama did save us from the next great depression.
*he did create or save 3 million jobs.
*he did cut our federal deficit down to 8% of gdp.

amazing-with the exception that every president since fdr has accomplished better.

Lie back, and think of America.

Cameron's Administration is coming to its senses about windfarms and climate and energy, but slowly. Romney will have his spine stiffened by the VP.
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Jack is Back!

And I am back from our regional Pinewood Derbry worn to a nub sitting in my overstuffed leather club chair drinking a Tito's and Tonic with a huge lemon squeezed in for good measure. But I am watching the 3rd round of Riviera wherer Lefty once again is in the lead with a couple of other guys and a bunch sneaking up on him. No one will be shooting low 60's on that course but a 66 in the final round will probably be a winner.

sammy small

Jane, I agree...four more years of obama could put the country into a terminal dive. It could get ugly.

But there will be pain either way. Why not let the dems be the first to be tainted with the ugliness. Then when a good candidate comes around in four years, it may be easier to begin a real recovery out of the desperation.

Jack is Back!

Maybe narciso posted this back in 09 but here is another Obamanation of Documented Historical Fact that he got wrong. Wonder if anyone of our esteemed Masters of the Universe republican candidates including the authoritative voice of US History will ever bring it up.

Jack is Back!

Forgot to note that Holland, the Dutch, or the Netherlands were the first nation to recognize the United States of America as a sovereign nation not that this is ever taught in Hawai'i, Occidental, Columbia or Harvard.

Jane

Why is everyone drinking at 2PM? Is this a holiday I'm unaware of?

Sammy,

It's tempting but scary.

hit and run

Heh not_bubarooni!

But I'm not mowing until at least mid March.

I'll earn my drink in other ways for now.

amenjohnson

I am no Obama fan but you are completely wrong here. Obama's 2010 return shows deductible charitable contributions of $245,075 which is properly itemized on his schedule A with about 30 or so recipients of contributions and none of them relate to anything like a tax payment or funding a retirement account. In fact, it's an impressive list of recipients. I think you need to correct your assertions as they are completely false. His return can be seen here with his schedule A on approximately page 37.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2011/04/18/president-obama-and-vice-president-biden-s-tax-returns-and-tax-receipts

hit and run

Jane:
Why is everyone drinking at 2PM?

It's not by choice. I have a particularly short yardarm.

narciso

So. Raisuli also recognized us in 1904, Lol.

AliceH

One of my New Year's resolutions was to drink more.

I'm embarrassed to say I'm not doing well on meeting my interim goals, especially given on the, um, inspiration.

Not Sara

Sammy, If you simply roll over and let Obama win this time, woe is us!!! We cannot survive as a nation with four more years of Obama.

Not Sara

Or is it woe are we?

hit and run

I am no Obama fan but

What part of TM's post specifically do you think he needs to correct? Something Charles Blow said,or something TM said?

I don't see anything that TM said that contradicts your amounts.

Your link to Obama's tax return is no different than TM's link to Obama's tax return.

Oh, please - do we really have to look at Obama's 2010 tax return?

What's your beef?

(Another) Barbara

Then when a good candidate comes around in four years, it may be easier to begin a real recovery out of the desperation

Sure, after Obamacare is well established, at least two new far-left Supremes have been named, our national debt has climbed to 500 billion trillion, and, looking toward my age then, I'll have a Friday at 3 p.m. appointment to appear before the Death Panel.

I'm a big fan of Delingpole who writes and talks regularly at Ricochet -- my fav place to spend an hour or two. He's very funny and a tongue-in-cheek fella, and I don't think we were meant to take his arguments as gospel. He's no Romney supporter, that's for sure, but like the rest of us he realizes what another four Obama years would do.

hit and run

AliceH:
I'm embarrassed to say I'm not doing well on meeting my interim goals, especially given on the, um, inspiration.

Don't be embarrassed and don't despair. I've been picking up the slack for you just in case.

I'm a giver like that.

Barry Dauphin

The report is biased because the Prez can't count the distribution of his goodness to us all as a charitable contribution ;>)

Wait till we get to the comparison of vice presidential candidate charitable contributions!

Jane

AB,

I'm sorry for the delay. I'm told my order will go in on Monday.

Sandy Daze

Sammy - There won't be a republic in four years if Voldemort is re-elected. Forget it. All over and done. I think this piece, More Than a Touch of Malice, pretty well sums up where we are at. I cannot encourage any strategy that says, vote for Voldemort so we can elect an even more conservative candidate in 2016. NO, if my preferred --Sarah Palin-- is not the nominee (as a result of a brokered convention), I will vote energeticly for Anyone But Voldemort, because Voldemort Must Go !

OMG~ABO,
Sandy

Ignatz

--with about 30 or so recipients of contributions and none of them relate to anything like a tax payment or funding a retirement account--

Knock, knock. Anybody home?
Who claimed that his charitable deductions included his SEP?
Now, go back to your desk and reread the assignment and when you think you've got it come back up to the chalkboard and see if you can fix your boner.

(Another) Barbara

I'm sorry for the delay. I'm told my order will go in on Monday.

Apology pas necessaire; I haven't mentioned it to Mister in case it didn't work out so there's no timeline at all.

Send me the details via email. xoxoxoxo

Ignatz

--One of my New Year's resolutions was to drink more.

I'm embarrassed to say I'm not doing well on meeting my interim goals, especially given on the, um, inspiration.--

Have you tried an IV?

AliceH

No, Ignatz, I hadn't even thought of an IV. Is that delivery method going to be covered in some future women's health mandate?

Latest capital Bruxelles.

They were known as the 'United States' long before we were.
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jsmith

And we adjust the denominator of this fraction to AGI why, exactly, WaPo? Hey--let's move on to net taxable income! That would make the comparisons a lot more fun. And then let's deduct $500,000 from everyone's NTI just because...and divide it by their ages. Then let's see who wins!

In my very simple world, to determine the percentage of "income" given to charity, one would take charitable contributions and, you know, divide it by income. The fact that the government allows total income to be reduced for a variety of things when calculating one's taxes really has no relevance to anything. But then, as I said, I live in a pretty simple world.

AliceH

And thanks, h&r, for stepping up to cover me in my slackitude. It truly does take a village....

Jack is Back!

I have to drink a lot now because Lent is around the corner and then its a self-imposed fast, which I enjoy breaking from time to time:)

In my local fishwrap that was laying around the cafe near the Pinewood Derby I read that local hero Vince Carter is hosting a $30K a person dinner in Orlando for Obama during the NBA all-star game. They are expecting oodles of players, celebrities and hollywood people. This is his core group today since Suie Tompkins Buell and the Hedge Fund guys in New York.

Tell me about all those small donations.

squaredance

You think they are lying about this percentage, just wait until Nov.

It is amazing how the democrats can just sit out there and pick off GOP candidates one after another like this and get away with it. The lies just get loonier and loonier, yet enough of the public drinks them up.

Two election cycles in a row, no less.

I do not think I have ever seen the media so powerful as it has been the last 8 years. You can talk about the internet all you want, but the MSM has finally figured out that they can be as in your face as possible, as blatantly biased as possible and get away with it. There used to be enough of the ww2 generation around to temper them I imagine.

It is so bizarre with all the problems we have to see how this election is slipping through our hands on such silly and trivial issues, and with such pathetic candidates. If ever there was a time when the problems were more highlighted, when the culprits were so out in the open, when the solution was so clear, I cannot remember it.

It is like living in a nightmare--a sick joke.

Ignatz

--No, Ignatz, I hadn't even thought of an IV. Is that delivery method going to be covered in some future women's health mandate?--

It should only affect you if you're one of the 2% of conservative women who do not already drink heavily.
The NYT informs us 98% are already using cheap and reliable intoxicants regardless of their bishop's or pastor's imprecations.

AliceH

From http://www.despair.com/collaboration.html

"When a motivated group of people join together, they can turn problems into opportunities. Especially drinking problems."

So true.

Wisco

Mitt's required by his church to tithe 10%. This counts as charity on paper, but it's really basically membership dues. I don't see how you can count it as charitable giving, other than as a tax dodge.

That leaves Mitt paying 6% voluntary charity spending, after you peel off the cumpulsory 10% to the LDS Church

Captain Hate

I do not think I have ever seen the media so powerful as it has been the last 8 years.

So powerful that the Tea Party was the story of the 2010 midterms? Have you checked the size of a newspaper recently? It's barely equal in heft to a local shopping center flyer. How many rounds of layoffs have there been at the NYT and they're still losing millions.

It's never wise to underestimate the power of your enemy but the influence of the MFM has been waning and I don't expect November to be any different.

Rick Ballard

The WaPo is being entirely too rigid in defining the President's generosity. What about the $600 million to George Kaiser for Solyndra?

MarkO

"That leaves Mitt paying 6% voluntary charity spending, after you peel off the cumpulsory 10% to the LDS Church."

Of course. How silly of us to assume generosity on anyone's part. Whatever it takes to make the incompetent and mean Mr. Obama the winner.

sbw

Charity is an individual's contribution.

The Obamanation wants to limit the deductability of charitable contributions.

The Obamanation is slowly and surely making it very difficult for a charitable organization to survive, inundated as they are becoming with the not-for-profit Sarbanes-Oxley equivalent regulations.

The Obamanation wants to make your contributions for you. Does anyone wonder why.

Ignatz

--Mitt's required by his church to tithe 10%. This counts as charity on paper, but it's really basically membership dues.--

Dude, what are the dues to the moron club?
Dumbest comment of the week.

bgates

it's really basically membership dues

What does he get for his $2.1 million in "membership dues", a tote bag?

I don't see how you can count it as charitable giving

Well, it's money he gives (that's the "giving" part) to benefit other people who are less fortunate (thus "charitable").

MarkO

Obama won't even help his own flesh and blood (assuming--TK, weigh in). With him, charity always faileth. Keeping with the tome, he is the one to sound a trumpet.

In him there is no virtue.

Clarice

facepalm, Rick. Of course.

bgates

First Harry Reid tells me paying taxes is voluntary because I can always choose to go to prison, and now this Wisco jackass tells me tithing is "cumpulsory"[sic] because it's something church members are supposed to do.

Hey, wasn't Barry a member of a church at one time? Does he still tithe to Trinity? Those white people aren't going to just hate themselves, you know.

Jack is Back!

Hey, Wisco, did you know that if you give to your own church every Sunday when they pass the basket around that it is tax deductible or are you a member of the Church of Obama where when they pass the basket you take from it instead of putting something in it?

Ignatz

Hey Janet,
You had a quote from the Anchoress a while back which was something about how we should be charitable to people because they are probably going through some storm or other.
If you remember that and could possibly direct me to it, I'd appreciate it. I meant to bookmark it and forgot.

Clarice

Well, he could give to the leftist money laundering machine Tides like Tereza and get a deduction for millions or even to Media Matters (until their tax exempt status finally gets yanked) or even to CREW--but he chose the church.

MarkO

bgates, this is All-Time:

"Those white people aren't going to just hate themselves, you know."

narciso

I wish I could say that were true, Captain, then this sort of trash, purveyed by one of MM's most gullible, would have no traction;

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/tv/la-et-gamechange-20120218,0,1100388.story

Ignatz

--The WaPo is being entirely too rigid in defining the President's generosity. What about the $600 million to George Kaiser for Solyndra?--

Or the $800 billion to public employee unions and assorted Dem apparatchiks in 2009. If he could deduct the taxpayer money he 'donates' for us he'd be tax free for eternity.

Clarice

Everything bgates says is memorable. I regret I haven't been saving them all -

MarkO

I have just added a codicil to my will prohibiting Kevin Costner from speaking at my funeral or memorial service.

Jane

Oh I'm sure he will be tax free for eternity Iggy. It's in the health care bill.

narciso

Costner's career has been checkered, to say the least, after Waterworld, and Stone's grand
guignol phantasmagoria,

Rick Ballard

We really do need to look at the President's generosity with fresh eyes. If he hadn't put a word in with ICE his Auntie Zeituni and Uncle Stinky would be crowded into that tar paper hovel in Kenya with his brother George. Charity really starts at home with this President.

hit and run

bgates:
Hey, wasn't Barry a member of a church at one time? Does he still tithe to Trinity?

Of course not. Obama declared in his Major Speech on Race in America ™ that he could no more disown Reverend Wright than he could the entire black community or his typical white grandmother . . . and 42 days later he disowned Reverend Wright.

Charlie (Colorado)

not some country bumpkin ... like you and I

"me".

Charlie (Colorado)

I have a particularly short yardarm.

Most men have that fear.

narciso

That was a Hans Christian Andersen moment, wasn't it hit, or as JR would say in one of his bits; 'god help me, god help me'

AliceH

Obama's charitable giving is Keynesian, whereas Romney's is Hayekian. That gives Obama the edge because he gets a multiplier of between 1.5 and 2.5 applied to each charitable dollar he reports.

Charlie (Colorado)

I don't see how you can count it as charitable giving

Try harder.

hit and run

Chaco!:
Most men have that fear.

I'll drink to that!

Jack is Back!

Back in the day, during Bush 41 inaguaration week I had the pleasure of enjoying a table at a Bushie lunch with Joan Rivers and Kevin Costner. He was back then a very conservative guy - actually a liberterian in the less government, strong defense sense. And Joan was as conservative a person you could find. Talk about homo jokes - oy vey. She is more right than Palin.

Now that was 89 and not now. So things can change and most likely they have.

Extraneus

Flogging a point already made, here's from hit's American Thinker piece:

"In 2002 ... the Obamas reported income of $259,394 [and] claimed $1,050 in deductions for gifts to charity."
That's 0.4%.

In 2004, Obama got the feedback from Dems that he could plan to run for President. And what do you know? His donations increased after that.

It's irrelevant and kind of dumb, if not dishonest, to look at charitable contributions for years when these people knew they'd be releasing their tax returns to the scrutiny of the public. It would be relevant to know what they gave when they thought nobody was looking. In Obama's case, that was 0.4%

Jack is Back!

Hey, what's with all that religiosity breaking out in Newark's New Hope Baptist Church?

Have they checked with the Obama Regime?

Extraneus

As for the brokered convention subject, I agree that Palin wouldn't have a chance, and probably didn't intend to give the impression that she was talking about herself when she offered any help that she could provide. The last chance she had was to jump in after Perry faded, and she decided against it. Although, not knowing how the rules would work in such a case, I still wonder if someone couldn't get in even now, as long as they could get on the Super Tuesday ballots. Anyone know if it's too late for that?

MarkO

Here's is the quote attributed to Palin. Like the Mona Lisa it will mean something different to all who gaze at it.

"I cannot predict what will happen in the future, she said. "But I know that I have got the fire in my belly to try to help, to try to make a difference and if that involves running for public office at some point in the future, I'm game for that."
. . . .

“We could be looking at a brokered convention. … If months from now, if that’s the case, then all bets are off, as to who it will be, willing to offer themselves up in the name of service to their country. I, uh, I would do whatever I could to help.”

http://dailycaller.com/2012/02/16/sarah-palin-tips-her-hand/#ixzz1mmN8AeiA

A Casual Observation

@ 6:00/6:17 - Nobody can raise and belabor moot issues like you can. One might ask, who do you come here?

A Casual Observation

* why *

Barbara
The WaPo is being entirely too rigid in defining the President's generosity. What about the $600 million to George Kaiser for Solyndra?

Rick,

I believe that money is taking a circular route back into Obama's campaign war chest.

Jane

Oh look, ACO had her first abusive comment before anyone said a word to her. That might be a record. I predict the next explosion in 5...

Janet

Hey Janet,
You had a quote from the Anchoress a while back which was something about how we should be charitable to people because they are probably going through some storm or other.

"Be kind - for everyone you meet is engaged in a mighty struggle."

It was a comment at The Anchoress. I don't have a link....just had written it in my quote book.

Extraneus

Still sore about that, Anne?

hit and run

Genius walking among us.

A Casual Observation

I reiterate; Nobody can raise dull, boring and moot issues like you can. One might ask why you come here? BTW, You certainly chose the appropriate name for yourself. Betchu had to decide between extraneous or lame or irrelevant.

Ignatz

--"Be kind - for everyone you meet is engaged in a mighty struggle."

It was a comment at The Anchoress. I don't have a link....just had written it in my quote book.--

Thanks Janet. I love that.

Ignatz

Since it's a slow news day and since I am assured scantily clad chicks are not offensive and especially since some of our most illustrious chaps seem to be going down that sorry DOOM! road today, thought I'd link this most excellent video of the delightful Kate Upton doing a little dance or two in a little bikini or two.

Gmax

So what ACO? You had to choose between that and "abusive jackass" and you went for the nondescriptor...

Jack is Back!

Geebegus, how the hell you do that, Iggy?

I mean the vid not the moves.

A Casual Observation

Y'know your sock puppets don't strengthen your argument.
They just make you look more desperate, you big dummy.

hit and run

They're not so much sockpuppets as they are trollatron bots.

You probably don't understand. It's ok. Only a few get it.

Ignatz

JiB,
Go to this link unofficially called Kate Upton making guys crazy, right click the video, click on 'copy image location' then do the usual < img src thing and presto; dancing chicky.

scott

Thank you Lord, Thank you Jeebus. That girl got rythym!

Extraneus

Excellent dancer, Ig.

Thomas Edison’s Eccentric Job Interview Questions — A Cheat Sheet

Of the well over 500 young men who took Edison’s test, only about 35 passed to his satisfaction (a score of 90% or higher).
Gmax

Dance? She was dancing? May have go back and look...

Gmax

Bobbie Brown kicked out of his own wife's funeral. Now its not easy to upstage ACO, but there you go. Stay classy Anne.

jimmyk

Linking today's themes together, is it possible that a brokered convention would lead to the nomination of Fred Upton, so that we might see his niece more often?

Ignatz

--is it possible that a brokered convention would lead to the nomination of Fred Upton, so that we might see his niece more often--

Why not just draft Kate?
Sure she's not 35 but I hope we can all agree it's imperative to stick to ones principles, even if it means losing.

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