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matt

wurst!

Jim Ryan

I bet Barry said something commie. This will cause the muddle to shrug and it will have no effect on the election.

Porchlight

Maybe, Jim Ryan. But it has Politico's panties in a nervous twist and that is always good.

Incidentally Breitbart's people have said that they also have tape of an Obama friend in 2008 talking about the need to hide the tape. And a lot more beyond that.

The question should be: why were we not allowed to see this in 2008? If it's no big deal, why the secrecy? PBS used a snippet of this tape in one of their 2008 documentaries - so we know it was out there.

Charlie (Colorado)

The question should be: why were we not allowed to see this in 2008?

That's a rhetorical question, right?

Charlie (Colorado)

wurst!

I never sausage a fuss.

matt

Shouldn't someone have done a good bio on Barry, warts and all?

After all, he was a tyro Senator coming in after a very brief period in the Illinois state legislature.

I think some of the mud may be sticking now, though. Breitbart's Dinner with Blandre', the health care bill, all of this stuff may start snowballing as we get closer to the election.

Remember, he's already negative with a part of the electorate who will never vote for him, and even his own supporters are flagging because he's not quite as loony left as they are.

It will be the 15% in the middle once again who determine the next president. ABO! Venceremos!

Ignatz

--I never sausage a fuss.--

Pretty sure that merits a groan, but an amused one.

Threadkiller

Oh snap! Did someone pick Ogletree?

Porchlight

That's a rhetorical question, right?

Sort of. I'm posing the question on behalf of American voters who got their news from the MSM and were lied to in 2008 and since. It may be old news to us that the media is ridiculously biased in Obama's favor, but those are the people we need to educate.

Ben Franklin

Is this what he was murdered for?

narciso

David Freddoso seems to have a fairly good job, on his actual record,unlike Corsi who went over there,

Remnick's hagiography, as bgates would
say, in contrast, would prompt Kim Jong Il,
why can't I get that level of press,Kurtz and Klein flesh outother areas,

Jack is Back!

Greta just noted she worked 30 years ago with Ogletree in DC defending.

Porchlight

Also, this video in itself is not going to be a bombshell. Remember the Breitbart method with ACORN. Release something minor, let the media spin. Release something new, let the media spin. Drip drip drip. Eventually they spin themselves out.

The vote to defund ACORN was IIRC the first (only?) unanimous Congressional vote in Obama's administration.

Ignatz

That Moe Lane mink is pretty funny JiB.

Ignatz

*L*ink

Threadkiller

Besides them flunking his budget, porch.

Danube of Thought

Narc, despite my best efforts I can't parse your 9:11.

I'm about to fire up the DVR, expecting a huge nothingburger.

narciso

The problem was Bell was trying to promote
critical legal studies' which fundamentally posits that law can't be objective, hence any actual statute based law is irrelevant
was what Obama would end up lecturing on, at Chicago, from the earlier link


Returning to Harvard in 1986, Bell staged a five-day sit-in in his office to protest the school's failure to grant tenure to two legal scholars on staff, both of whom adhered to a movement in legal philosophy that claims legal institutions play a role in the maintenance of the ruling class' position. The administration, not giving an inch, claimed substandard scholarship and teaching on the part of the professors as the reason for the denial of tenure, but Bell called it an unambiguous attack on ideology. Bell's sit-in galvanized student support but sharply divided the faculty.[2]

Bell reentered the debate over hiring practices at Harvard in 1990, when he vowed to take an unpaid leave of absence until the school appointed a female of color to its tenured faculty.[3] At the time, of the law school's 60 tenured professors, only three were black and five were women. The school had never had a black woman on the tenured staff.[2]

Students held vigils and protests in solidarity with Bell with the support of some faculty. One of these students was future U.S. president Barack Obama, who spoke at a protest at Harvard Law School on behalf of Bell.[4] Critics, including some faculty members, called Bell's methods counterproductive, and Harvard administration officials insisted they had already made enormous advances in hiring.[2] The story of his protest is detailed in his book Confronting Authority

Now this has a real life impact as one of his proteges, is now a high official ayt Justice, who follows this blinkered understanding of the law.

Gmax

Hannity just asked the two young guys from Breitbart's group, "Do you have more?"


Oh yeah, we got more. Lots more. Releasing more next week.


Breitbart is getting the last laugh.

Threadkiller

Video of known radical smacktalking vs videos of forged documents from a 50 year law enforcement veteran.

I await NRO's trashing of Breitbart and Hannity.

centralcal

The funniest part was when Shapiro and Pollock said how the MFM was running around all over the place trying to find the "tape" - or the version Breitbart had.

Here is Tapper an hour ago on Twitter:

Jake Tapper ‏ @jaketapper
PBS posts all of what WGBH has of the 1990 Harvard Law Skl video.... to.pbs.org/A8bH2O ...Does more than this exist?

Threadkiller

I am glad Malkin took my advice to quit saluting Hannity. She is much more effective that way.

matt

The only thing to do with cockroaches when they scurry out from under the refrigerator is to have a can of Raid in hand.

narciso

This is a more frank cross section of Bell's record;

http://discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=2175

matt

If the article linked below is true. Our government is batshit crazy.

Dave (in MA)

For some reason I thought Hannity had a whole hour on the Bammy tapes, but they've moved on to a segment about that talking bowel movement on HBO.

MarkO

So Obama's not radical but Santorum is?

This is some country we're passing on.

Dave (in MA)

If the article linked below is true.Our government is batshit crazy.

Threadkiller

We were suckered, Dave. Don't worry though. They may talk about the economy to stave off criticism from the esteemed editors of NRO.

MarkO

We finally learned that before he ran for President Bill Clinton went to all of his serious girlfriends and had them sign affidavits that they had never known him Biblically. What did Barry do? This could be fun.

Clarice

Doesn't the Senate have to approve that agreement?

narciso

Well remember he was joking with Putin almost three years, what a great deal, we had gotten from the good czar, Alexander 11.

AliceH

ACO is talking to himself 2 threads back. Is that normal?

Ignatz

Didn't the ship sail a long time ago on the US keeping Wrangell Island?

Ignatz

--ACO is talking to himself 2 threads back. Is that normal?--

Normal for her/him or normal for anyone else?

Danube of Thought

Just watched the opening of Hannity. Yawn.

"videos of forged documents from a 50 year law enforcement veteran."

No one has established that anything was forged. Wake me when that happens.

In the meantime, let me offer a suggestion: go hunting where the ducks are. The ducks are in EPA rulings, unemployment, gas prices, inflation, Obamacare, religious liberty's infringement, and etc.

There are no ducks in birth certificate forgeries, dual allegiance, natural born citizen, or Social Security numbers. Pursue that stuff in the courts, if you must. (Hint: don't let Orly Taitz appear as counsel.) Don't complain about the MSM not covering the court proceedings; instead, be thankful for it, inasmuch as you have thus far amassed an unblemished string of adverse rulings. If and when you get a court--any court, anywhere in the country--to side with you, then let fly. For now, work quietly. Don't willingly don the clown mantle.

Threadkiller

That's chatter, Alice.

Threadkiller

I like clowns.

Clarice

Ig, I don't see any evidence of that.

Jack is Back!

Before leaving for bed, I wonder if the MSM have ever given serious consideration to the ducks that DoT is hunting. Perhaps that lack of interest on our so-called "free press" is one of the reasons people are interested in the cockroaches of lies, forgeries, empty lives and invisible backgrounds.

You can hunt all day for ducks and you will get cold as hell doing it. But if they decide to avoid your section of the river or pond you are SOL.

Threadkiller

Crying fowl:


"Lead investigator Mike Zullo told WND that as he was preparing information to be presented to the public “it was clear that the mainstream media was not going to be in attendance” at the sheriff’s scheduled new conference, where he revealed facts suggesting both fraud and forgery in the image of a Hawaiian birth certificate that the White House released as “proof positive” of Obama’s eligibility for office last year.

“During our investigation, we actually were told [that media] had been threatened with FTC investigations. Commentators [had been] threatened with their jobs,” Zullo said. The threats were so intimidating that some individuals quit their positions over safety concerns for their families, he said."

http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/did-threats-silence-media-on-obama-probe/

Clarice

DoT's right, if you are talking about issues. But we have the advantage on the issues, so this campaign will be largely about media manipulation and to that extent the more Breitbart and others expose about the 2008 manipulation of Obama's background the better.

Threadkiller

The less we expose of document manipulation the better.

Clarice

Niters.

P.S. TK. the left and media love to paint the right as wacked out nutters. Don't play into their hand with this birther crap which is unprovable and which is unlikely to ever be resolved in court.If you can prove forgery and mail fraud etc in the creation and publication of false id documents go to it.

Threadkiller

The less we expose of SCOTUS case manipulation the better.

Threadkiller

Should I put in a request to the Sheriffs of the three counties larger than that nutcase Arpaio's. That may give it some credibility. Fourth largest ain't what it used to be.

Mad Jack

Oh please, Threadkiller. DOT is spot on. Focus on the low hanging fruit.

"Facts suggesting..." Say no more or all of our lives here at JOM will be in peril!!

Frau Alles Umsonst!

The film and background give more evidence of Breitbart's main thesis that it is the *media* which is screwing our country, probably the only one to grant special privileges to the press. The Founders did not envision a JournoList. Now we see the Boston media and a prominent professor in tandem to withhold what should be public information. As Obama's lawyers said in the Ryan case, "The public has the right to know."

Danube of Thought

"The less we expose of document manipulation the better."

If crackerjack law enforcement ace Arpaio--4th largest county, etc.--has evidence that crimes were committed, presumably he knows of more useful things to do with that evidence than hold a press conference about it. Why do we suppose he has not done so? Or is he going to surprise us by actually filing charges, or seeking grand jury indictments, for crimes committed within his jurisdiction?

Threadkiller

Sorry. I will stick to the "facts suggesting" Obama is a radical. It is very similar to the "facts suggesting" their is media bias to cover his radical connections.

In order to be more like Brietbart, I will do my best to forget the last person Brietbart interviewed, the night he died, was Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

They probably talked about gas prices.

Clarice

Niters.

Threadkiller

...there is....

Frau Alles Umsonst!

matt says that Obama is brilliant and Clarice says Obama is not smart.

I know that Larry Tribe called Obama more of a colleague than a student and treated him as such. Obama probably had a similar position in Bell's world as well.
Were all his close friends and family radicals?

narciso

Remind me again, who was the US Attorney in Arizona, and what was his previous role, maybe
one might get a local DA to investigate it, but recall that Justice's wolves have been sicced on him, as with every major police department in the country,

Danube of Thought

" I will do my best to forget the last person Brietbart interviewed, the night he died, was Sheriff Joe Arpaio."

Actually, it was a guy in a bar in Brentwood. And they probably talked about gas prices.

But if it in fact it was Arpaio, and they didn't talk about gas prices, then by golly they must have talked about crimes of which Joe is aware but which he is unwilling to refer for prosecution. Not, at least, until some face time can be had.

If you're a sheriff, enforce the goddam law.

Mad Jack

And Sheriff Joe has the jurisdiction to look into this, why?

Threadkiller

The press conference was for Arpaio's "cold case posse" to share with the media information of a crime. At the conference it was explained that the information was just turned over to the Sheriff's office for possible criminal investigation.

This is no different than any criminal complaint. A person of interest was identified. A crime was alleged. The detectives go to work.

Yet the media we need to check, per Breitbart, does not need to be checked on this one topic.

NRO claims a book deal is the motivation for the investigation into the "layers" on the BC.

The fact that NRO claimed that they debunked the "layers", last April, is not motivation?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/265767/pdf-layers-obamas-birth-certificate-nathan-goulding

I would keep an eye on all media.

Threadkiller

Do I answer because you really want to know, Mad Jack?

" Citizens Petitioned Sheriff to Commence Obama Probe

In August 2011, 250 residents of Maricopa County requested through a signed petition that Sheriff Arpaio undertake an investigation into Barack Obama's birth records and the legality of his holding the office of the President of the United States.

The citizens -- many of whom were also Tea Party members -- stated in their petition that if a forged birth certificate was utilized to obtain a position for Barack Obama on the 2012 Arizona presidential ballot, their rights as Maricopa County voters could have been compromised.

According to Sheriff Arpaio's statement, he agreed to accept the petition and he assigned the Obama investigation to his “Cold Case Posse” at no expense to the tax payers."

http://m.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/counterfeit-president-obama-birth-record-a-forgery-arpaio-report

I hope so.

Mad Jack

Sounds like they are off to a great start! Next press conference to tell us Sheriff Joe had a taco for lunch?

Sara

What did Barry do?

Went to all his old boyfriends?

Gmax

Article at American Thinker has this conclusion. Another hopeless optimist MarkO? Probably not a Duke grad!

It is easy to focus only on the presidential race, but there are a number of indicators that Democrats in every elective office may take a beating because of Obama. The year 2012 could set the backdrop for the biggest electoral victory for Republicans in the last hundred years.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/will_2012_be_a_republican_year.html#ixzz1oUhe4G8u

Danube of Thought

"This is no different than any criminal complaint. A person of interest was identified. A crime was alleged. The detectives go to work."

Except that, while a press conference has been held, no criminal complaint has been filed.

Threadkiller

We should have press conferences for missing persons only after a criminal complaint is filed. Strange order, but I am sure worried parents will see the logic.

Mad Jack

Well I assumed it had to do with ballot access. So he assigned this to some unpaid folks who make up the "Cold Case Posse" who then report to him in his official capacity ? Does this "Posse" operate under the color of law? I'm sorry but this just sounds very odd to me.

Danube of Thought

Who is alleged to have committed what crime? What missing person are we seeking?

Threadkiller

Speaking of odd:

“To quell the popular idea that Obama was actually born outside the United States, we examined the records of Immigration and Naturalization Service cards routinely filled out by airplane passengers arriving on international flights that originated outside the United States in the month of August 1961 [Obama's birth month]. Those records are housed at the National Archives in Washington, D.C. Interestingly, records from the days surrounding Obama’s birth, August 1, 1961 to August 7, 1961 are missing. This is the only week in 1961 were these immigration cards cannot be found.”

We better do more research on the investigators instead of what they discovered. After that we will look go "obama is a radical" coverups.

Threadkiller

...go look for...

Danube of Thought

"Does this 'Posse' operate under the color of law?"

Does it have subpoena power? Does it have the power to make arrests? Whom has it arrested thus far?

Threadkiller

They said, at the conference, they have a person of interest identified in the forgery. That identity was turned over to the Sheriff's office. The name has not been disclosed.

Mad Jack

TK: You're kidding, right?

Threadkiller

Founded in 2006

Cold Case Posse

The mission of this organization shall be as follows: To assist and cooperate with the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office in the maintenance of peace, law and order within the County of Maricopa, State of Arizona, at any times and in any manner when requested to do so; to be public spirited; to promote good fellowship and to do so within the laws of the United States and the State of Arizona. Our primary mission will be to assist the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office at the request of the Sheriff with any investigation including unsolved Homicides and to assist The General Investigation Division (GID) of the Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office and the Enforcement Support Division in any manner as and when requested to do so.

Threadkiller

I might be, Mad Jack. Which part?

narciso

One finds a paradox, because of the heart of the thread, they don't believe in the institutional limits of this country, because
of injustice, economic equality, whatever, hence they use all the tools to remedy that oversight and thwart any challenge to that framework, Hence Friedman's injunction against
the moratorium was ignored, war was waged against Libya, despite even a constitutional fig leaf.

Mad Jack

TK: The INS card thing.

Threadkiller

That was part of the press conference, MJ. Very Sandy Bergeresque, IMO. It at least deserved some questions.

Danube of Thought

Give what you have to a grand jury. Charge whom you believe in good faith you can convict. Don't do any grandstanding. Shit or get off the pot.

This guy is looking like a warmed-over Jim Garrison. Just what we need.

Mad Jack

TK: I'd love it if evidence were found that proves that Obama out and out fabricated his entire background but wild goose chases by "Cold Case Posse" types with their attendant pathetic efforts to garner publicity are most unhelpful to the cause of beating this guy in November, in my humble opinion.

Ignatz

--Ig, I don't see any evidence of that.--

I can remember reading about the giveaway of Wrangel Island 25 or 30 years ago.
Wiki confirms the State Dept has said the US has no claim on the islands since at least 1990 and I believe it was considerably longer than that.

Mad Jack

Jim Garrison came to my mind as well, DOT.

Sara

Was any reason given for the missing records? The National Archives is pretty good at preserving records. I would be suspicious if I was doing research and came across a chunk from a particular week missing. I've seen bigger spans of time, usually due to fires or floods in the past. But we aren't talking about records going back a couple centuries, these are recent. In fact, I'm surprised they aren't at least on microfiche.

narciso

Now you think they would complain to the AP and the likes of Ackerman, instead of Chief
Kelly, well you would think that, wouldn;t you.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/03/07/bloomberg-wont-criticize-christies-criticism-of-nypd-surveillance-of-muslims/

jimmyk

I believe Rosemary Woods was in charge of INS records at some point.

narciso

Like Slim Whitman they are going down in flames;


http;//legalinsurrection.com/2012/03/in-sec-filing-carbonite-lists-ed-schultz-rachel-maddow-and-randi-rhodes-as-trusted-spokespersons/

Threadkiller

We should have dismissed James O'keefe at his first press conference. No need to see if an investigation follows an accusation.

Ignatz

Had a pretty good show on Robert Heinlein on the Science Channel just now.
Presumably they'll repeat it.

Uncle BigBad

TK
My understanding is that the "person of interest" is a computer.

Steve J.

The question should be: why were we not allowed to see this in 2008?

We were allowed...
http://www.politico.com/politico44/2012/03/obama-video-first-aired-in-116745.html
By JOSEPH WILLIAMS |
3/7/12 4:23 PM EST
POLITICO

The “racially themed” video of President Barack Obama as a 29-year-old Harvard law student that’s gone viral on the Web was broadcast as part of a PBS documentary on the future president nearly four years ago.

On the eve of the groundbreaking 2008 presidential election, the Boston-based documentary program “Frontline” broadcast a program on Obama titled, “The Choice,” which featured a version of the same video: Obama introducing Derrick Bell, Harvard’s first African American tenured law professor, at a rally in solidarity with Bell and support of affirmative action in the law school’s admissions process. The video was part of an extended broadcast tracing Obama’s path from childhood in Hawaii and Indonesia to his election as the nation’s first black president.

Here's the link to the Frontline story:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/choice2008/view/

Threadkiller

You did not mention Ogletree, Steve. Is the portion he claims to have hidden in those links?

Mad Jack

TK: I believe Mr O'keefe actually had a person on video doing bad things. A minimum showing of evidence would help. A missing week of INS flight entry cards in 1961 now is evidence that O and his mom flew into the county from overseas? Did they check other years to see if cards were missing in those years. Hell 1961 could have been a banner year for record keeping at the INS and they only were missing one week! In 1960 they could have been missing 10 weeks.
"Tell me you have more than phone calls and foot lockers"

Sara

A missing week of INS flight entry cards in 1961 now is evidence that O and his mom flew into the county from overseas?

That isn't the way research works, Mad Jack.

You go to the Archives expecting to find in tact records and when you don't, you add that factoid to the list of new things needing to be researched, including the kinds of questions you pose. One thing leads to another.

The missing records are only evidence of missing records. Now you have to find out why they are missing and whether being missing is at all relevant to developing a factual picture.

Steve Diamond

This is news?

Threadkiller

Mad Jack, since you did not watch the conference, have formed an opinion anyway, and my piecemealing of the story leaves the taste of shotty professionalism in your mouth, I will drop it.

Danube of Thought

We would have dismissed O'Keefe had he not shown video whose authenticity he attested to, and which no one disputed.

Mad Jack

I understand how research works but they are the one's calling press conferences saying that "facts suggest..." and using that as the example of a fact. Pretty weak.

Gus

Danube is smart and I think there are much bigger FISH to FRY than, the current Arpaio thingy, BUT...I don't mind Arpaio flitting about like a honey bee, making the MSM and the LIBTARD LEFT, continue to post rants and raves.
Maybe NOTHING is there. Maybe something is. I'm not wasting any of my lifes' capital on it, but....WHAT ABOUT THE CT Social Security number.
Wouldn't you like to know?

Threadkiller

Ohh. Somebody has disputed the authenticity of the videos the posse attested too? News to me.

I thought they were still trashing the messengers.

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