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fdcol63

Zimmerman's mother's testimony is devastating to the notion that GZ was a hateful racists .... and her Hispanic accent highlights his mixed heritage.

JeffC

"It's a bit odd - the photo seems posed, which makes one wonder whether Zimmerman was planning ahead to document his situation."

are you really suggesting he was planning on shooting someone that night ? reall ?

wow, just wow ...

gee, maybe he realized he wanted proof of his injuries ... ask a guy with a camera to take a picture ...

Clarice

Jeff, I am pretty sure TM is being sarcastic.

fdcol63

" Profiling" - clearly, O'Mara is trying to get the investigator to admit that "racial" profiling was intended.

Threadkiller

That might be dawg blood. Maybe the titular father of the deceased will perform a taste test.

faketony

If it bleeds, we must concede...
Blood on noggin, plan to deceive?

Steny C

"She says her son was a mentor to a child in Orlando. She says he committed to the program for two years. THe program closed after 9 months. But George kept going to Orlando to take care of the two kids he was committed to.

Gladys ZImmerman is describing her son George's work with youth. They are teens. SHe said she told her son not to go because "it's too dangerous." "It's a very dangerous place, where he goes to," in Orlando, she says.

The two kids George mentored were "African-American," Gladys says."

Guardian UK lun

Chubby

More upside down: the accompanying ABC story added some sympathy points for Zimmerman, like his having been an altar boy, reading the Bible while in jail, etc. I hope they aren't trying to make out his "depraved mind" to be his Christian faith? Kind of hard to do, when the prosecutor "prayed" with the Martins and Mrs. Martin publically wept, thanking Jesus, for getting Zimmerman charged.

It appears O'Mara is doing an excellent job of advocating for Z as well.

GMAX

I am going save bubu some time, here is a shorter and concise bubu. That does not look like blood to me, it looks like that fake blood that you see in those vampire movies. Somebody at the PD...

Jack is Back!

O'Mara is "fisking" the affadavit and Dershowitz must be smilng like a Cheshire Cat:)

Neo

I thought is interesting that the photo, taken some 3 minutes after the shooting, comes with a story of somebody who saw the fight and can kill those claims that Zimmerman self-inflicted those injuries on himself.

Jack is Back!

Its ironic that the GZ/TM case will be decided on the literacy of English language used by the guys who wrote the affadavit.

Threadkiller

GMAX, if nothing else bubu may learn how to properly use an ellipsis.

Then again, maybe not...

jwest

OMG, are you listening to this “investigator”?

Threadkiller

Neo, the witness heard but did not see the fight.

cboldt

NEW photo? I say ABC has had this for weeks, and had it at the same time it ran the "no injury" video.

cboldt

UK Guardian liveblogging is pretty good. A few zingers in there.


Looking forward to the complete transcript.

Pofarmer

"NEW photo? I say ABC has had this for weeks, and had it at the same time it ran the "no injury" video."

IF that is true, and IF it can be proven, the ABC needs it's FCC license revoked. Although, that obviously ain't gonna happen because, well, ya know, they were just advancing the narrative. Gotta wonder how much the DOJ racist squad was involved in all of this.

Chubby

does anyone know the name(s) of the person or persons Z specifically at targeted in his SPD protests?

AliceH

makes one wonder whether Zimmerman was planning ahead to document his situation

My goodness, isn't it obvious? He asked for the pic to be taken because he wanted to check his wound but he can't see the back of his own head.

Danube of Thought

I suppose that if they present this altar-boy, mentor evidence at trial that opens the door for the state tp put in some of the bad stuff from his past.

Jack is Back!

GZ is on the stand testifying.

cboldt 1, theo 0

Enlightened

Ok - So he photo taker didn't see fit to take one of GZ's face? How about taking a pic of TM on he ground?

Hmmm.

Danube of Thought

"So he photo taker didn't see fit to take one of GZ's face? How about taking a pic of TM on he ground?"

We don't know that he didn't, do we?

Cecil Turner

Broken nose (medical records)

cboldt +1

Theo

Jack --

You could be right about that. O'Mara knows his case better than the rest of us, me included. Maybe GZ has a better story to tell than William Kennedy Smith.

Steny C

de la Rionda doesn't like GZ apology but apparently has no problem with his boss praying with the Martins.

jwest

Can a judge throw a case out during a bond hearing?

Cecil Turner

Questions by O'mara, Det Gilbert answers in parens:

Do you know who started the fight ("no")

Do you have any evidence as to who started the fight ("no")

Do you have any evidence to date, that contradicts either of his statements given before he knew any other evidence that he turned away ("no")

Enlightened

Hi DOT - I was being rhetorical - I'm positive there are more pictures.

jwest

Loved the questioning about the broken nose.

Clarice

Guardian live blog:

10.45am: Gilbreath says he has no evidence that conflicts with Zimmerman's suggestion that he turned away and went back to his car after talking with a 911 operator.

O'Mara is hammering on the paucity of evidence from the crime scene. He asks if there is any evidence that conflicts with the contention that "Mr. Martin assaulted first"?

Gilbreath mentions that one figure was chasing the other.

Now de la Rionda stands up.

"I'm sorry, I didn't know we were going to be trying the case today."

O'Mara highlighted moments from Zimmerman's statement that would seem to exculpate him.

De La Rionda is digging into the same statement to point out what he calls contradictions. These include the fact that Zimmerman's statement says he was scared, and yet he took off running after Martin.

10.43am: O'Mara: Do you know who started the fight?

Gilbreath: No.


(I see Cecil already posted this but the liveblog is slightly more detailed about the idiocy behind this affidavit.)

Jack is Back!

de la Rionda is bit of jerk and is very flippant at times. His argument is that it is for GZ's safety to keep him in jail plus where will he go and stay? Are you kidding me? The State has not made its case as far as I am concerned.

Free GZ! (Jane can you get bumperstickers printed?:)

Danube of Thought

O'Mara implied (while I was watching) that the medical records indicate a broken nose. Was there anything more definitive before that?

Cecil Turner

Prosecutor claims more evidence, but apparently doesn't feel the need to produce it.

$150,000 bond. Sounds about right.

No alcohol? If anybody ever needed a drink . . .

Jack is Back!

Bond at $150K. GPS tracker. Will not release today but needs to set up a safe approach to the release. No contact with Martins or their lawyer. No firearms etc. No alcohol. Curfew. Advice location every few days. etc. etc.

Clarice

Guardian-:
11.06am: O'Mara is now making the broad case for Zimmerman to be able to post bond in the case.

He says Zimmerman has family in the area, has shown himself not to be a flight risk, has employment in the area.

O'Mara is saying the second-degree murder charges are excessive. He asks that that be taken into account.

De la Rionda takes over: "In a way what occurred here was an attempt by the defense counsel to [argue the case].

"...You also have the fact that it is an unarmed 17-year-old boy, who was minding his own business, who wasn't committing a crime. Will [Zimmerman] be a threat to other people?

___So the state's defense to this savaging is we are unprepared to defend the affidavit but the media account of events should prevail over the evidence?

Cecil Turner

Was there anything more definitive before that?

No. I'm assuming lying about that would be prohibitively countrproductive, and thus it is as he implied.

Papa Whskey

Amendment Eight, US Constitution:

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.

Unless our official suzerains say so.

AliceH

If this was a Hollywood movie, we'd "know" Gilbreath was untrustworthy and Z was trustworthy because of the direction they looked up (left and right, respectively) whenever they tried to recall something just before answering. #microexpressionsalltherage

Danube of Thought

This judge talks so fast I wonder how the court reporter keeps up.

Pofarmer

""...You also have the fact that it is an unarmed 17-year-old boy, who was minding his own business, who wasn't committing a crime. Will [Zimmerman] be a threat to other people?"

It seems to me that the "not committing a crime" part, ends at the point where he struck Zimmerman and jumped on top of him. The rest is just Gratuitous schmuckery.

Sandy Daze

ISTM that, if found innocent--which I believe he will be--GZ will need to be placed into a WitSec program, and begin a new life somewhere in Idaho, Wyoming or Alaska. His life in FLA is over.

OS~OMG~ABO,
Sandy

fdcol63

It would be nice if Al Sharpton just ... disappeared. Into a WitSec program, a UFO, or whereever.

Danube of Thought

The buubmeister will now comment on the broken nose. We are standing by....

jwest

Overall impression was that O’Mara and Zimmerman came off as likeable, honest. De la Rionda seemed flustered and unsure.

To the layman, the testimony of the investigator was devastating to prosecution. That he couldn’t definitively point to any evidence and basically just adopted the press story of what happened made it seem like they don’t have a case. The topper was finding out the investigators never asked for Zimmerman’s medical records concerning the broken nose. Unfu@kinbelievable.

Pofarmer

It's a political case, jwest. Medical records are inconvenient to the narrative. Just like the "Poor Trayvon wasn't committing any crime bullocks." Well, he was when he punched somebody and jumped on top of them.

Cecil Turner

Impressions:

O'Mara was pretty impressive. Zimmerman's statement didn't hurt him, but it was still borderline stupid. (The only good thing from his viewpoint was that it emphasized how small he is.)

Zimmerman's previous run-ins with the law are non-events. De la Rionda overplayed it (and generally blustered throughout the hearing).

Don't - ever - talk - to - police.

State has absolutely nothing to counter defense claim that TM was aggressor. They're going to claim internal inconsistencies in Zimmerman's statements discredit them, but on the main points, so far, they've got nothing.

Judge is sensible and except for playing a bit to media at beginning, focused and businesslike.

Case should never have seen the inside of a courtroom, and may well be decided at the immunity hearing.

Caspar Weinburger

I just watched the streaming video.

O'Mara just bitch slapped the prosecution. He is a good lawyer.

I cannot believe how thin this case is. There best evidence of pursuit:

Gilbreath: "We have a witness statement who observed shadows or figures running by her residence." He says he can't identify who they were.

Unidentifiable shadows. Wow. Just wow.

Porchlight

jwest,

After Corey's presser and the release of the affidavit I became convinced that concocted their case from media accounts. Today doesn't change that a bit.

Theo

Porch --

Sadly, I think that you are right. If she brought this case solely on the basis of media accounts and Sharpton/Crump pressure, she should be fired. And overcharging on top of that -- well she should be beaten too.

Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

The "mocking" of Obama over dogs may have pried open flood gates? I'm getting emails from non-political people.
One has a list of jokes told by late night TV hosts. I don't watch and can't verify the quotes; the list is Leno-heavy but pretty long.

The liberals are asking us to give Obama time. We agree...and think 25 to life would be appropriate.
--Jay Leno

America needs ObamaCare like Nancy
Pelosi needs a Halloween mask.
--Jay Leno

Q: Have you heard about McDonalds' new Obama Value Meal?
A: Order anything you like and the guy behind you has to pay for it.
--Conan O'Brien

Q: What does Barack Obama call lunch with a convicted felon?
A: A fund raiser.
--Jay Leno

Q: What's the difference between
Obama's cabinet and a penitentiary?
A: One is filled with tax evaders, blackmailers, and threats to society. The other is for housing
Prisoners.
--David Letterman

Q: If Nancy Pelosi and Obama were on a boat in the middle of the ocean and it started to sink, who would be saved?
A: America !
--Jimmy Fallon

Q: What's the difference between
Obama and his dog, Bo?
A: Bo has papers.
--Jimmy Kimmel

Q: What was the most positive result of the "Cash for Clunkers" program?
A: It took 95% of the Obama bumper stickers off the road.
--David Letterman

Steve

"... The prosecutor asked Gilbreath whether there was any evidence indicating that Zimmerman's account that Martin bashed his head against a sidewalk wasn't true. Gilbreath said yes. ..."

What is the evidence the prosecution has that Martin did not bash Zimmerman's head against the sidewalk?

Danube of Thought

Everything will turn on what Z said to the various cops. Unless there are a bunch of crucial contradictions, I really like his chances.

Clarice

The investigators are now pinned down under oath as to what evidence the state has and it ain't much, is it?
What's the evidence they are holding close to the vest? DeeDee's account and Mrs. Martin's? Not dispositive or in Dee Dee's case even credible,

Clarice

Great stuff,Jim.

Enlightened

Well, I would sure like to know how GZ's head wounds happened if his head did not hit concrete or another hard surface.

I'm guessing Corey might not have had ABC's pic before she over-charged.

DebinNC

Gilbreath admitted that GZ had two lacerations on the back of his head, and opined they got there via his head hitting something "harder than his head"...O'Mara: "like concrete?" Gilbreath semi-nodding and answering something in the affirmative like "could be".."yeah".. Then I think O'Mara asked him if there was any evidence contradicting GZ's claim that TM bashed his head on the concrete and Gilbreath answered, "No." Incredible. Gilbreath also said there was no evidence GZ wasn't returning to his truck when he met TM last and no evidence re who instigated the fight...beyond GZ's account.

benquick

"O'Mara asked whether Gilbreath knows who started the fight between Zimmerman and Martin, or had any evidence as to who started the fight. Gilbreath said no."

The only reason this farce is continuing is Corey seems to want to give the Martins what they want - GZ in jail. With no bail, he would have spent a year in jail - probably given time served on a manslaughter conviction.

Thomas Collins

Gilbreath's testimony would be consistent with the prosecution arguing that, while M may have been on top of Z and Z's head may have hit the concrete during the struggle, M wasn't bashing Z's head into the concrete. In other words, Gilbreath's answer shouldn't be taken to mean that the prosecution has evidence contradicting the notion that M was on top until Z shot him.

DebinNC

Gilbreath also said there one shot, close range, leaving gun powder residue and stippling (sp) on TM. There goes the "GZ fired from a distance" scenario.

fdcol63

We also now know there was only 1 shot, and it was at very close range. Powder burns and stipling.

dublindave

Are we sure that's Zimmerman's blood?

fdcol63

Deb ... was posting that at the same time you were, apparently.

benquick
Zimmerman attorney O'Mara said he doubts the prosecutor will reveal its case before the trial.

If the State doesn't come up with some kind of case to answer self-defense motion to dismiss, won't an ethical judge have to grant?

DebinNC

Great minds think alike :)

Ignatz

Countdown to Zimmerman and Martin are both the victims of the white patriarchy in 5...4...3..2...1...

PDinDetroit

Today's Proceedings are EXACTLY WHY I was so bothered by the Special Prosecutor's Giddiness at announcing the charges - Convict by the Court of Public Opinion.

Angela Corey should be excoriated.

Jane (where is Jon Corzine?)

the gunpowder burns on Martin's gray hoodie

So what do "gunpowder burns" look like?

Danube of Thought

Are we sure that's Zimmerman's blood?

No, DooDah. The photographer applied blood from a cat before snapping the picture. The state will kill him on cross.

jwest

I was disappointed in the judge. He should have prepared the public for the eventual dismissal by saying to the prosecutor “The State has a high burden in regards to presenting evidence and you failed to meet that standards, therefore I am releasing Mr. Zimmerman on his own recognizance”.

Cecil Turner

Are we sure that's Zimmerman's blood?

Yeah, or . . . what if it didn't come from those obvious gashes, but he smeared it from his broken nose? It's a setup!

Okay, fess up DD. You're actually a right-winger impersonating a crazy moonbat to make the brand look bad, right?

PDinDetroit

Jane - See picture at LUN.

derwill

"Are we sure that's Zimmerman's blood"

Hey, guys, DuDa has a point here. It could be blood splatter from M's fatal wound. See, Z could have been lying face forward on the ground, and he could have pulled the gun out and reached back over his shoulder and fired the shot backwards using the eyes he's got in the back of his head. Which you can't see in the photo because they're covered up by St. Trayvon's blood.

cboldt

-- After Corey's presser and the release of the affidavit I became convinced that concocted their case from media accounts. --


Which are basically Crump talking. The investigation consisted of interviewing the Martins, DeeDee, Cutcher, maybe other eyewitnesses, and that's all. They never interviewed Zimmerman to try to get him to trip up; or to hear his side.


Absolute, total and complete bias - against the public interest.

cboldt

-- I'm guessing Corey might not have had ABC's pic before she over-charged. --


She had the SPD photos, if she wants reliable evidence.

dublindave

"No, DooDah. The photographer applied blood from a cat before snapping the picture. The state will kill him on cross."

Remember,Zimmerman found not guilty=proof of widespread institutional and societal racism=widespread anger=political pressure to to introduce gun control laws and maintain affirmative action etc etc etc.

Zimm found guilly=same result.

It's still a win win.

benquick
Gilbreath: "We have a witness statement who observed shadows or figures running by her residence." He says he can't identify who they were.

So there is evidence that Trayvon chased down Zimmerman! Seriously, the shadows could have been either one so it just as likely supports Z's story. I also like the assertion that TM was acting perfectly legal (up to the beat down) so Z must have been the attacker. Using the same logic proves TM was the attacker because GZ was perfectly legal as well.

Prosecution keeps bringing up popular media memes that are completely irrelevant to the legal matter - skittles, profiling (perfectly legal for civilians) etc

cboldt

Telling to me is that the state did not expect to have to produce or claim any evidence. That's complete BS. They state knows Arthur hearings are in part substantive. The state has to produce evidence that establishes the charge. It gets the benefit of doing this without cross examination of witnesses.


I wonder how the press will play the hearing.

DebinNC

I was disappointed in the judge

The judge demolished the "GZ has a violent past" meme. He strikes me as that "reasonable person" the FL statutes keep mentioning.

Rick Ballard

cboldt,

Slam dunk for the prosecution - The Shadows Know!.

What a BOzo's breakfast of a case. The prosecution is going to use minute discrepancies between Zimmerman's statement and the "eyeshadow witnesses" accounts. I wonder if Zimmerman gave one of his too many statements to Agent Bond?

Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

I'm with CT. DuDa is clearly a false flag operation.
We righties should be ashamed and embarrassed that our allies are putting forth such a shoddy imitation of Prog thinking.
I know I am.

dublindave

But to me,knowing how head wound bleed profusley,this looks like a scratch.

Which would be in line with the EMT's decision that Z needed no follow up treatment and no bandages which is still at odds with Zimmermans account of having his head bashed in so hard against the pavement he began to loose conciousness.

I guess a Jury will sort through that.

Danube of Thought

political pressure to to introduce gun control laws and maintain affirmative action etc etc etc.

Let us know when that happens.

cboldt
De la Rionda to Gilbreath: "Prior to that confrontation, Mr. Martin was minding his own business, correct?"

O'Mara: Objection your honor -- this is not in evidence.

The objection is sustained.

Just to highlight the state's burden to actually produce evidence. The state is not allowed to charge based on conjecture.

Jane (Better a crate than a plate)

Thanks PD, I wonder why "burns" was plural.

Dudu sees success as a handout and the furtherance of the "racist" meme. I predict Dudu, that Americans are sick of a president whose only card is the race card and this case will lead to his losing the election and all the bullshit he's pulled being overturned.

So the win/win will be that your side will see no "progress" in your lifetime.


henry

Well ploitical pressure works both ways. The state Department of Justice will print the 100,000th concealed carry license today, just less than six months after the law took effect. CCW classes are still booked solid.

Clarice

benquick, The only reason this is continuing is Corey is corrupt and fighting for re-election or a total idiot.

AliceH

O'Mara had a very good day.
1) Client granted bail
2) State Investigator on record saying they had no evidence to contradict several key points
3) State Investigator on record saying both Z's wounds not conclusive of sidewalk smashing AND no, didn't ask for or look at actual medical records
4) Public image of Z radically improved - at worst, will dampen the more egregious emotional assaults on any rational assessment of the evidence.

The state, on the other hand.... they'd have been better off not objecting to bail and skipping the hearing (if that was indeed an option they have).

benquick

This whole farce boils down to:
The process is the punishment

The legal system is set up to process the 97% of cases that plea out. The prosecution and defense pretty much agree on guilt at the start and are just working out the details. The system chokes when it actually needs to process a real case. The innocent end up suffering almost as much as the guilty.

Given the choice, if I was innocent, i'd choose the medieval trial by ordeal. Faster that a court room trial and about as fair.

Tom Maguire
are you really suggesting he was planning on shooting someone that night ? reall ?

wow, just wow ...

Work with me on the timeline here - Zimmerman shots Martin; cops detain Zimmerman at gunpoint; friend photographs Zimmerman wounds.

See, that seems to me that Zimmerman might have been planning his defense, not planning the shooting.

Maybe he was worried the cops would railroad him. Eerily prescient, after the fact.

cboldt

-- But to me,knowing how head wound bleed profusley,this looks like a scratch. --


Shorter DumplinDave, "Everything I know is made up."

Jane (Better a crate than a plate)

He strikes me as that "reasonable person" the FL statutes keep mentioning

I agree, and I like that he didn't play to the press.

dublindave

"I'm with CT. DuDa is clearly a false flag operation.
We righties should be ashamed and embarrassed that our allies are putting forth such a shoddy imitation of Prog thinking.
I know I am."

Guy,you supported a war that slaughtered 3000 of our finest men and women I would say that your days of potential shame and embarrasement have long passed.

And lo and behold you're now mounting a defence for a child murderer-Why you're just the cream of humanity aren't you?

What i've stated about the political fallout from this is true.ALEC just dumped future NRA involvement and we're now examining new gun control laws.

I have it right,you may not like it but I have it right.

Some guy

Why does the photo look posed?

GMAX

That political pressure that will come from at most 15 Governors and 180 Representative and maybe as low as 40-44 Senators and no control of the WH? OKAAAAY now.

I guess I did leave out the mayors of a bunch of blue hells.

Kelm

"-- But to me,knowing how head wound bleed profusley,this looks like a scratch. --


Shorter DumplinDave, "Everything I know is made up.""

Either that or he/she has been forcefully hit on the head multiple times.

cboldt

-- The state, on the other hand.... they'd have been better off not objecting to bail and skipping the hearing (if that was indeed an option they have). --


It's not an option. The state has the power of arrest and detention. The defendant has the right to require the state to show the court that the state has sufficient evidence to convict him in a trial.

GMAX

OK so why isnt Corey, Mike Nifong in a dress?

cboldt

-- Maybe he was worried the cops would railroad him. Eerily prescient, after the fact. --


I don;t think he expected a political persecution. The SPD seems to have done its job of seeking evidence that Zimmerman wasn't justified, and concluded in Zimmerman's favor - it was self defense.


Corey and her cohorts are the ones in violation of Florida law.

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