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Pofarmer

The main thing that's "unclear" seems to be how many wrong versions of the story are in the MSM.

Janet

We need at least one magazine at the supermarket checkout with the smiling picture of Zimmerman asking:
"Why does the MFM hate this guy so much?"
"Does this American deserve a fair trial?"
"Are white-hispanics presumed innocent like every other American?"
"Where's la Raza when you need them?"

Threadkiller

Maybe Big Z fired a round and the semiautomatic handgun fired a matching round. That is how guns work, right?

myiq2xu

What's really annoying is the guys who write for People and the NYT make good money being wrong while bloggers make bupkis.

Janet

Maybe George Lopez or Edward James Olmos could say, "If I had a son, he would look like George Zimmerman".

Carlos Santana could wear a t-shirt with George's picture on it & the word JUSTICE printed large!

Cheech Marin could go on Letterman & demand justice for George Zimmerman between his comedic banter.

Janet

The magazine headline for Zimmerman could be - An American Lynching.

jimmyk

We need at least one magazine at the supermarket checkout with the smiling picture of Zimmerman

National Inquirer would be the best bet, as it is usually more reliable than the NYT, Time, and Newsweek, never mind People.

Janet

More ideas -
Freddie Prinze, Jr. - George could have been my brother!
Ricky Martin - George could have been my lover!

Cecil Turner
Police found a single shell casing at the scene, and when they seized George Zimmerman’s handgun, a Kel Tel [sic] 9 mm, its magazine was full, according to a source close to the investigation. The only bullet missing was the one in the chamber, the source said.
Not to be too pedantic about this, but unless the weapon malfunctioned, that's obviously wrong. If he had a full magazine and one in the chamber, when the weapon was fired the next round would chamber leaving the magazine at capacity minus one.

I have little doubt there was only one round fired, based on the witness statements and what this unnamed source probably meant. But the report is obviously garbled, and that makes me give it less weight than I otherwise would (like the audio expert who used "manor" when he meant "manner"--it may be unfair, but there you have it).

Threadkiller

"What I have learned after discussions over the last several days with several journalists who either have regular access to the White House or are part of the White House press corps is that there is a growing sense that access is traded for positive stories -- or perhaps worse, an agreement that things learned will not be reported in the near term.

The White House is working hard to secure deals that yield fluffy, feel good commentary about the Obama White House. One American White House reporter used colorful terms to describe the arrangement. The reporter said, "They want 'blow jobs' first [in the press sense]. Then you have to be on good behavior for a bit or be willing to deal, and then you get access.""

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/04/fellating-the-white-house.html

I'll bet People gets the grand tour, BJs and all.

Extraneus

Not to be too pedantic about this, but unless the weapon malfunctioned, that's obviously wrong.

I'm pretty sure I saw that the weapon did malfunction, and the shot casing jammed in the slide.

Threadkiller

Cecil, I hate to correct you, but you are so wrong. Semiautomatic handguns self generate their ammunition. That is why they are so lethal.

Threadkiller

If they truly were wrestling over the pistol, Ext, that scenario would make sense.

Ersatz

"is that there is a growing sense that access is traded for positive stories -- or perhaps worse, an agreement that things learned will not be reported in the near term."

You're quoting Pam, now?

Jeebus. You youngsters need to get some oldsters to 'splain it to you. Press bias is as old as the hills on granny.
Human Beans are what they are. Get over it.

Cecil Turner

I'm pretty sure I saw that the weapon did malfunction, and the shot casing jammed in the slide.

I saw somebody in a comment section concluding (from the quoted text IIRC) that it must have, but no others. Do you have a link to any actual reports or anything based on something other than speculation?

(And an extraction failure or stovepipe would mean no casing at the scene, so either way, it's hard to credit.)

fdcol63

Cecil,

I seem to remember hearing that there was a jam. If this is correct, the round in the chamber may have fired, the gun jammed, and then after the shooting Zimmerman may have cleared the weapon, put the jammed round back in the mag, and re-holstered while waiting for the cops to arrive.

Just speculation on my part, but it's probably what I would have done.

Threadkiller

I just need you old guys to read the links. She was quoting this story:

http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2010/04/communications/

Is Steve Clemons someone I should stay clear of?

Threadkiller

This has a bias sound to it:

"In what is being called 'the biggest hustle in human history,' a special investigation has discovered numerous bogus claims on Barack Obama's resume, including the outright lie that he was a 'Constitutional scholar and professor.'

The claim turns out to be false.

As investigators delve further into the background of Barack Obama, a disturbing picture is emerging of a man who is not who he claims to be. The information the public has been told concerning Obama is turning out to be false--fabrications and inventions of a man and an unseen force behind him that had clear ulterior motives for seeking the highest office in the land.

According to a special report issued by 'the Blogging Professor,' the Chicago Law School faculty hated Obama. The report states that Obama was unqualified, that he was never a 'constitutional professor and scholar,' and that he never served as editor of the Harvard Law Review while a student at the school."

http://m.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/investigation-reveals-numerous-bogus-claims-on-obama-resume


Threadkiller

...biased...

Ersatz

"...biased..."

Shocking, young man! To think gambling, and commerce is going on here.

What were you, 9, at the fun-up to the war in Iraq?

Extraneus

Google's top link of "zimmerman gun jammed" is to this thread.

narciso

That happened to Speedle on CSI Miami, and he got killed for it, he hadn't cleaned his weapon,

narciso

Yes, TK, run away from Clemons,

Jane

OT: The town next to me, Brimfield, which also got hit hard by the tornado, is on fire. Brush fires are burning the entire path of the tornado. Here's a pix.

centralcal

The Clemons dude rings a bell faintly with me, in a negative way. Isn't he a liberal blogger?

centralcal

My goodness, Jane. What a hell of a way to clean up the tornado debris!

Jane

Yeah CC - and we are due to repopulate the trees on 4/28. I guess that won't be happening.

Porchlight

and that he never served as editor of the Harvard Law Review while a student at the school."

Correct. He served as president.

clarice feldman

Daily Caller:

"

In this image taken from video at the Sanford, Fla., Police Department, George Zimmerman, in red jacket, is escorted into the Sanford police station in handcuffs on Feb. 26, 2012, the night he fatally shot Trayvon Martin. (AP Photo/Sanford Police Department)


In late 2010 and early 2011 George Zimmerman, the Hispanic Sanford, Fla., man who shot and killed 17-year-old black teen Trayvon Martin, publicly demanded discipline in a race-related beating case for at least two of the police officers who cleared him after the Feb. 26 altercation, according to records obtained by The Daily Caller.

In a letter to Seminole County NAACP president Turner Clayton, a member of the Zimmerman family wrote that George was one of “very few” in Sanford who publicly condemned the “beating of the black homeless man Sherman Ware on Dec. 4, 2010, by the son of a Sanford police officer,” who is white.

TheDC has confirmed the identity of the Zimmerman family member who wrote the letter but is withholding that person’s specific identity out of concern for the family’s welfare."http://dailycaller.com/2012/04/04/zimmerman-demanded-discipline-in-2010-race-related-beating-for-officers-who-investigated-martin-shooting/#ixzz1r7KuGRkI

Ignatz

--Yeah CC - and we are due to repopulate the trees on 4/28. I guess that won't be happening.--

Ashes are one of the best tree foods around, Jane.

bunkerbuster

If identity conservatives understood white-power racism for what it is, they probably wouldn't be identity conservatives. Anyone who doubts that can look at their response to Zimmerman's killing of an unarmed Afro-American teenager.
Wingnuts are convinced that racism is a specific state of mind involving hatred of a given ethnic group. So it is they are utterly incapable of understanding why the "I don't hate blacks" declaration is insufficient to disprove the charge, nor are the "I have black friends" or "I helped a black person" retorts.
White-power racism in America is driven primarily by fear of and disdain for Afro-American political and economic power, rather than personal distaste or (conventional) hatred.
The white-power racism that appears to be at work in the Zimmerman case has firstly to do with the assertion by the prosecutor that there was no probable cause for an arrest. There is a lot of history, fact and reason behind the belief that, had Martin killed Zimmerman, the probable cause would have been presumed, the Afro-American would have been arrested, and we'd be debating over a far more extensive array of physical evidence, witness statements and police reporting.
Secondly, white-power racism is apparent in the strident, compulsive response of blogs like this obsessively collecting any shred of potential evidence, no matter how seemingly irrelevant, that could in anyway support the white man's side of the story AND the collection and tolerance of obviously fabricated photos and fact-free speculation about the alleged criminality of the Afro-American victim.
If there were no baked-in bias against Afro-American political power, it would be obvious even to wingnuts that the investigation of this case was inadequate and that it is foolish to take strident, obsessive positions based on such flimsy evidence. And that it's even more absurd to demand that investigation into Zimmerman be halted, while investigation of the unarmed teenager he killed continue apace.

Some guy

Awesome parody bunkerbuster. Well done.

Threadkiller

Bunker, do white power racists protest the killing of homeless black persons?

DanubeofGus

ButtBuster, I'm really sorry old Chap, and I think I can speak for most of those who comment here, but......
Reading that long tedious LIBTARD missive, is just not in the cards. Don't be offended ButtBuster, but we've all seen your tripe before. You're a goof. You have the intellect of the average 9 year old, and I am being kind.
Have a nice day ButtBuster.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Don't confuse me with facts when I have an agenda to push.

Ignatz

--And that it's even more absurd to demand that investigation into Zimmerman be halted, while investigation of the unarmed teenager he killed continue apace.--

Strawman.
You'd see that, if you only had a brain.
Follow the goldbrick road dude. There's a shiny new one waiting for ya.

Jane

Ashes are one of the best tree foods around, Jane.

Good thing.

clarice feldman

Jane, I am sorry your area is being devastated again.

AMac78

"Careful speaking" is so taken-for-granted that a fairly blatant instance in the People text doesn't even get a mention:

"This much is indisputable: There were cries of 'Help,' then Zimmerman fired two bullets..."

Most commenters here recognize that mainstream reporters have agendas, so they spin. But People's uninformed or trusting readers will take this to mean that Zimmerman fired the two [sic] bullets after hearing the cries for help. Perhaps the cruel white-Hispanic rracist shot despite hearing those cries.

Strawman Cometh

I gotta getta new screen name

bunkerbuster

Thanks Danubeofgas!! I'd have thought it impossible to make your comment more jejune, but you succeed in that by admitting that it just wouldn't do to speak for yourself…

bunkerbuster

Treadfiller queries: ``do white power racists protest the killing of homeless black persons?''

Not generally. Unless of course they perceive that doing so offers an opportunity to make bigoted generalizations about Afro-Americans. and in that case, they do not pass up the opportunitity...

Strawman Cometh

bb has seen that adjective applied to his comments so many times and finally looked it up.

bunkerbuster

Thanks Strawman! Even though you have nothing to say about the subject at hand, you manage to at least acknowledge that you care what I write here. E for effort!

daddy

OT Ted Steven's Update:

Immediately after work today I dashed across the Anchorage Airport to the Pen Air Aviation Hangar for a rally in support of Senator Ted Stevens; called "Alaskans For Justice." The hangar was about the size of a High School gym without the bleachers. Arrived about 10 minutes before it started and quit counting heads at 150. I guestimate about 350 attended.

The rally had a few goals;

---to protest Steven's Judicial treatment,
---to support Lisa Murkowski's Bill to try to mandate that in future Prosecutors have to turn over Exculpatory evidence to the suspects they are prosecuting,
---to demand that the DOJ fire the corrupt Steven's Prosecutors, seek to have them disbarred, and institute criminal prosecutions against them and against Bill Allen.
---that the complete report be turned over to the Public. (I thought it had but apparently not.)

Was an interesting event. A jazz quartet was playing upon my arrival, looking much like small band in the movie "Groundhog Day." An assortment of Hells Angels type motorcyclists were in one section with their roadhogs polished up to remember Ted. Free Hot dogs and hamburgers were set out on some large picnic tables in the rear.

Was fascinating to watch the attendants. Mainly middle aged folks, but a mixed population of whites, natives, blacks, asians, and hispanics. Was interesting to see Lisa Murkowsi, Congressman Don Young, and our newly re-elected Mayor Sullivan show up to work the crowd.

Event was kicked off by a Motorcycle buddy of Steven's who had the bikers rev up their machines for a minute to honor Ted. Then he introduced the Mayor, who won yesterday by 60% and got the biggest round of applause, followed by Young's and then lisa.

Mayor Sullivan took over the duty's as MC. Then he asked for an invocation from an Episcopal Priest who had known Stevens for 60 years. The invocation was fascinating, very old testament, in that it didn't mention the usual Sunday School stuff, but instead praying for these corrupt Prosecutors to be punished to the full extent of the Law dear Lord, Amen.

Next Sullivan gave an enthusiastic short speech demanding justice. This was followed by Lisa Murkowski who did an excellent fiery speech condemning the corrupt DOJ Prosecution and an enthusiastic attack on the DOJ for continuing to pay these prosecutors legal fees instead of firing them. Then Congressman Young got up and did the dame thing, especially damning the White House (tho not naming names), and hammering the Media for convicting trashing and convicting Stevens, and himself, prematurely and without facts. Lastly a friend of Steven's got up and went full bore after Bill Allen, wanting to know why the state was being prevented by the DOJ from actively prosecuting Allen. (I noticed this point got applause from Lisa Murkowski so I wonder if there is anything to this charge.)

Anyhow, at the finish our Mayor read letters in support of this protest movement from our Governor and from Dem Senator Mark Begich. Then the Mayor requested that we all sign a provided open letter to Holder at the DOJ, demanding many of the things mentioned above and support for Lisa Murkowski's Bill.

Glad I went, tho' I have no idea if it will amount to anything, but at least it's a start. Many angry, impassioned folks. Here's photo's of the event from tonight's ADN.

AJsDaddie

"that could in anyway support the white man's side of the story"

Love it. So now trying to get the truth is "the white man's story". The racial makeup of the parties doesn't even fit this inept attempt at race baiting, since George Zimmerman is no more Caucasian than Barack Obama. He's also a Democrat, which defeats the "bitter, bible-clinging, gun-toting Republican" meme. How sad for you that your attempt at incitement fails so epically.

But you go ahead and try and make this about race. Feel free. It simply continues to dilute the whole racialist mantra of the Left. And one day after all you race hustlers are finally relegated to the trash bin of history along with the eugenicists and the flat earthers and the global warmists, maybe then our kids can finally play together without regard to the color of their skin.

Begone, racialist!

I think I've never heard so loud, the quiet message in a cloud.

It isn't the color of the clouds, it's the content of their water vapor.
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Rob Crawford

Do we really need hate speech like bubu's tripe around here?

BR

I've always that's such a beautiful line, Kim. And look, the Swedes think so, too! LUN

Söndagsdikt 11/9 2011 från The Climate Scam Övrig 2011-09-11, 16:41... Jag kunde inte låta bli att plocka upp den fina dikten som signaturen Kim skrev på bloggen Bishop Hill (tack för tipset Ann L-H). I think I’ve never heard so loud The quiet message in a cloud Vill du bidra med ett eg ...

BR

Hee, action faster than thought - missing 3rd word is "thought"...

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