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Have Blue

Have they officially released the name of the person they claim was fired?

If no name then I do not buy that anyone was fired for this.

sylvia

They belong to the democrat socialist party and, clearly we remember what the german Socialist media did for their dear leader. Socialism is what it is, Germany or United States. Zero difference.Was it Heimler who felt a thrill up his leg?

cboldt

"They all do it." Not much of a defense, but there it is. AP creates events out of thin air; such as Bush's audience of thousands in West Allis, Wis., booed. Bush did nothing to stop them..

Plenty of gullible people out there think the press is operating in good faith.

Dublindave

We've(libs)squeezed this Zimmerman teabag enough and if we haven't we have to thread carefully in light of edit-gate.

cboldt

Speaking of libs, some of them took out their frustration on a 27-year-old man.

The victim told police that he was beaten for five minutes. He had injuries to his left eye, abrasions to his palms and a cut on his right knee cap. [Police spokesperson] Valuri said he would likely have permanent damage to the left side of his face.
Dublindave

"Speaking of libs, some of them took out their frustration on a 27-year-old man."


Maybe it was self defence on their part.

Extraneus

I think that if Zimmerman sued NBC - today, before the SP decision overtakes the story - it would raise the public's awareness of this.

I'd love to see the mistake v. intentional debate, too.

(Btw, does anyone believe they'd paste a quote with an ellipsis in it without checking the actual quote first?)

pagar

Have you read about this one yet?
Maybe not! No MSM seems to care.


"http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/black-male-guns-down-white-hispanic-with-mental-capacity-of-12-year-old-national-media-curiously-disinterested/

cboldt
A group of men got out and told him he was talking too slowly. The victim said they then proceeded to shout "trayvon", then beat him.

-- Maybe it was self defence on their part. --

You ought to be ashamed.

FWIW, the press account is incorrect. The 27 year old was the victim of aggravated assault for walking too slowly, not for talking too slowly.

Danube of Thought

"Maybe it was self defence on their part."

Tells you pretty much all you need to know about DooDa, doesn't it?

cboldt

Another blatant lie by NBC ...

The operator replied, "We don't need you to do that."

Zimmerman didn't listen.

Dublindave

"Maybe it was self defence on their part."

"Tells you pretty much all you need to know about DooDa, doesn't it?"

Spare me the selective moral outrage you've just spent the last two weeks defending a child killer,what does that say about you?

But seriously,how do we know this man didn't antagonize these young African American males????We only have his side of the story-maybe he's a liar.Maybe he's motivated politically and wants to make the Trayvon supporters look bad.How do we know his brother didn't beat him up as a favour?

fdcol63

Apparently, Winston Smith's job at the Ministry of Truth is secure.

Danube of Thought

@7:45 a.m.: Tells you pretty much all you need to know about DooDa, doesn't it?

cboldt

Like I said, agitprop, and poor quality agitprop at that. He just sucks at what he does, and he advocates and supports senseless violence. Typical lefty.

rse

LUN is a Guy Sorman article in Growing Out of Poverty and the great drop in destitution around the globe.

I note his mention of Sachs in light of his editing that UN World Happiness Report I mentioned last night. Reality is in the way of the bureaucrats and their grant seeking prof allies.

Back to the actual topic. We have a real disconnect between facts and reality as the Sorman article and these edits and the media's desired story show on GZ/TM. It is part of our job over the next 6 months to gradually get the juiciest, rawest realities piercing through the mindset of those 2008 voters who are frustrated, know the economy is weak, but think they are informed because they watch the nightly news and read the NYT.

It's the media's corruption that also needs to be an issue. Even Fox is straddling on how to take advantage of viewers who cannot follow a coherent argument with what some of its divisions are pushing.

As an example I have had several die hard bo voters who have asked me in the last week isn't the Supreme Court about to hear an aff action case. I said yes. They are upset by the sense that only athletes and minorities can get into ivies anymore no matter how spectacular their credentials. And the minorities have lower credentials and doctor or business exec or successful business owners parents and come from private schools and spectacular homes and the parents are responding with outrage. Anecdotally a significant core of bo's 2008 base wants a post racial, skin color is not an acceptable proxy, America. Fascinating.

Rob Crawford

Meh, we knew Dave was a thug last week. OK, likely a wannabe thug, but still a thug at heart.

Janet

Breitbart reminds us of 2 other edits.

Cecil Turner

No, no . . . he asserted a theory, now you guys have to prove him wrong.

bunkerbuster

So what was suspicious about Martin?
I'm pretty sure Zimmerman's going to have a very difficult time answering that question, given his 911 transcript.
And if there was nothing suspicious about Martin, why the call?
Somehow, I think a jury isn't going to accept wholecloth that a citizen walking around and "looking at all the houses" is suspicious.
Maybe that's one reason Zimmerman's cheering section keeps hoping against a fair trial.

Janet

and I'm gonna repost a jwest post from the "All Our Yesterdays..." thread in case some lurkers have an idea -

"Looking for a little help…

Although I’m the only person in the world interested in this, I would like to ask some of the better researchers here how to get access to video that I believe was deliberately edited in a misleading manner by MSNBC.

The morning after ABC released the video of Zimmerman arriving at the police station with the narrative that he had no apparent injuries, all the other networks picked up on the story. ABC and everyone else ran the video in its entirety, which showed an officer looking at the back of Zimmerman’s head. Everyone, that is, except MSNBC.

Starting with Morning Joe and moving along through the subsequent shows until Jansen & Co., an edited version was shown that cut out the portion of the officer looking at his head. I’ve been trying to find the edited video, but to no avail. Naturally, I can find all the other videos, from CNN, ABC, CBS and even NBC and MSNBC, but not the one that is edited. When I do find an embedded video on one of the programs I believe showed the edited version, I get a message that the video is private.

http://ed.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/03/29/10924813-george-zimmermans-father-says-trayvon-martin-threatened-to-kill-his-son

Since all the other videos are available, why is this one private and how do I find a way to view it?

Posted by: jwest | April 09, 2012 at 10:49 AM "

Extraneus

still a thug at heart

And a political strategist, too.

Actually, the political capital progressives will garner from this, regardless of the outcome, will be priceless priceless.

1.We have a President and a party that have re-solidified their relationship with the African-American community after a turbulent couple of years.

2.The "Stand your ground" law is on it's way to being repealed in Florida..........what?I felt my life was threatened by that law.I had to act.

3.African-American anger is being re-fueled with all sorts of civil rights goodies coming down the line-good luck with repealing Afirmative action now,righties.

4.Tighter gun control laws(psssst.when we say "control" we really mean don't mean "control"....one step at a time).

Whatever the outcome, Democrats just got themselves a bunch of legislative rewards.

Posted by: DublinDave | April 04, 2012 at 01:39 PM

bunkerbuster

rse: if you really think media is a problem, why not make a better one? At least one certified wingnut here at JOM -- sbw -- owns and operates a newspaper.
If he's got a better grip on reality than the "liberal" media, it should be easy to overtake them in popularity, shouldn't it?
Or how about Rupert Murdoch's billions? Or Sinclair's? Or Sun Young Moon's? They're all right-wing media billionaires. And of course there's gazillionaire Rush Limbaugh.
With all that money, surely the American right can make a news media that suits their political agenda.
If they can't, what's their problem? Too stupid? Too lazy?

Christy

Wouldn't saying the the alleged firing of the producer be both more accurate and more professional? I hear the TV newsreaders say that all the time.

Jim Ryan

Shorter dublin dave: "Look at me! I'm angry and resentful! Please accept this as moral seriousness."

Everyone needs moral seriousness. Some accept its cheap simulacrum. Heroin and pot are to happiness as Dave's all-too-typical disorder is to moral seriousness.

Into the Narcisolator he goes. Goodbye forever, Dublindave.

Richard Blaine

Employment and privacy laws may complicate releasing this ex-employee's name.

Jay

Spare me the selective moral outrage you've just spent the last two weeks defending a child killer,what does that say about you?

Hysterical.

Seriously, your hyperbole is some good comedy.

bunkerbuster

You can only read the NYT if you pay for it, so, obviously, its readers see value in it.
If you don't, well, why not just ignore it and read Murdoch's Post or the Wall Street Journal, or get your news from JOM, Townhall and Fox...lol...
The bottom line is that wingnuts know real news is the province of a worldview that is at odds with theirs. They won't admit it, but the reason it's at odds is because it's fact-based, not because there is some giant, perpetual conspiracy to prevent right-wing billionaires from starting newspapers, TV stations or radio networks.
Tom "watches" the New York Times because he recognizes it's the most prestigious newspaper and that the nation's best-educated, most politically and cultural engaged and wealthiest people read it and, indeed, rely on it. NYT sets the agenda, plain and simple. That's why Tom knows the newspaper matters. Note that he doesn't feel compelled to respond to all manner of left wingnut blogs or, lefty talkradio, even though the "outrages" there are surely much worse than what could be picked apart in the NYT...
It's about time conservatives grew up and stopped whining about their failure to produce a news media that suits their agenda. If Fox, talkradio and the Wall Street Journal editorials just aren't enough to soothe your paranoia that somewhere, somehow, liberals are persuading people, too bad. Live with it! Stop pretending that the world owes you a soapbox for your resentment-driven, fact-free fantasies.

narciso

Capus, he was the one who insisted on publishing the VT shooter's rant, which probably encouraged the Oakland shooting
last week, and Bryan Preston, had a segment
where he showed they not only edited the words on that 9/11 tape, but the background noise to match,

bunkerbuster

Narco, so it is true? Do really use a "Narcisolator" to read a bowdlerized version of JOM so that you might marinate exclusively in unthreatening opinions? Gawd that's funny....

Chubby

((If he's got a better grip on reality than the "liberal" media, it should be easy to overtake them in popularity, shouldn't it?))
))

the overtaking is happening under your nose bubu, one Rathergate at a time.

the liberal press walkbalks from their Z. reporting are excellent examples
of the alternative press "overtaking" the liberal media. And the liberal press is not doing too well financially, you know? And of course there's its inevitable self-destructive infighting like Olbermann vs. Gore.

drip drip drip

Lina Inverse

Another major "editorial choice" of every MSM account I've read and which turns into an explicit lie in your last screen grab is Zimmerman's reply to the dispatcher saying "We don't need you to do that" (follow Martin). His reply, which I've confirmed by listening to his 911 call, was "OK", and it sure sounds like he stopped moving a few seconds after saying that.

tom maguire

Jwest - thx for the clarification. That gives us two nbc videos to look for, because I bet "he looks black" first aird on nbc6.

NK

BuBu-- you raise a fair point at 8:36-- but you've got the facts wrong. Conservative mass journalism is flourishing and the Legacy Media continues its death spiral. 2 decades ago Limbaugh took advantage of the Left-Liberal radio monoply (CBS/ABC/NBC/NPR etc)by syndicating a Right-Wing show-- the rest is history he built an empire and numerous immitators have followed. Murdoch took advantage of a huge opportunity to tap the dissatisfied viewers sick of the Liberal CBS/NBC/ABC/PBS/CNN monopoly more than a decade ago by adopting a center-right editorial POV-- he's raking it in and killing the Legacy in ratings. Same with the WSJ on the dead tree side, flourishing while the NYT and WaPo are dying brands. And obviously the Right is well represented in the blogsphere. But the Legacy media is just that, a Legacy of 70 years of dominant liberal politics in "Journalism" since the beginning of the Cold War, and it is self sustaining as EVERY SINGLE J-School faculty and student is Left or Left-Center. But those J-Schools and their graduates are starving, and the Legacy Media are sucking wind from their aging readers/viewers. Soon, the Legacy will dry up, and we'll have a fairly contested Right v. Left media. the Right is neither stupid nor lazy, it is fighting 70 years of media history, and winning. Evidence?-- you're here trolling on JOM!

Dublindave

"No, no . . . he asserted a theory, now you guys have to prove him wrong."

Lol.Are we still stuck on this?

All I did was suggest that the partial birth abortion BAN act that curbs women's reproductive rights, curbs womens reproductive rights.

I can prove it to you,but the title of the act is in and of itself a dead giveaway.

(maybe it's time to leave this group)


narciso

We aren't still dealing with 'Darryl and his other brother Darryl' are we, NK, On the news side, the Journal still has very credulous folk like Seib who will always Obama and even break, and Yadron and Dreazen who will never do so for our side or our troops, note the way he elided Petraeus's interviews,

cboldt

-- maybe it's time to leave this group --


You were never really here.

TerryP

Maybe it is, DublinD.

NK

Narc-- of course the WSJ has the same Legacy J-School grads as the NYT/WaPo, and several Center-Left columnists, but the editors are not allowed to relentlessly push the Left agenda as they do at NYT/WaPo. Big difference, and of course the editorial pages are Center-Right.

henry

Not a surprise, the Milwaukee DA's office is filled with recall petition signers. These guys are running the "John Doe" investigation (actually a failed witch hunt) of Walker's time as Milwaukee County Exec. Everyone caught signing in the MSM claims they aren't political reporters, so the DA claims these people aren't involved in the investigation. A bunch of little Holders.

jwest

Just for laughs, here’s an interview with Ed Primeau, the “audio expert” who would swear in court that the voice screaming on the 911 tape isn’t George Zimmerman.

For additional gravitas, there is a guest appearance by Roseann Barr.

http://www.thepeoplespeakradio.net/?s=ed+primeau

NK

henry-- the comments to that link are great. The Lefties say that signing a petition isn't political activism, and besides, pointing out that political activism is sinister tyranny by Walker. Your Badger State Lefties are fully deluded.

Cannon Asesrb

"Spare me the selective moral outrage you've just spent the last two weeks defending a child killer,what does that say about you?"

I like the way you think! I mean, we are cowards when it comes to race when an african American child can't attempt to bash in the skull of a (whitey) Hispanic. Next think you know it will be racist if people object to members of the same racial group in the same "uniform" standing outside a polling station armed with clubs talking about how the crackers are going to have to show "respect".

Buck O'Fama

We're at the point where the post-midnight informercials are now the most believable thing on NBC.

Janet

Wouldn't saying the the alleged firing of the producer be both more accurate...

Great point, Christy.

Jazz

This follows the firing of a producer for the use of the same bad edit on the March 27 Today Show.

NBC has yet to confirm that anyone was fired over the editing debacle:

Two sources at the network told Reuters the Miami-based producer of the segment had been fired on Thursday.

Capus said "several people" involved were disciplined, though he declined to specify the nature of the disciplinary actions, saying they were internal personnel matters.

(emphasis added)

NK

Mike Schneider-- he is an exemplar of the Lefty Legacy Media. But I do acknowledge he "came out" running as Dem politician so he's not a liar like most of the rest of the Legacies.

NK

Narc-- different Mike Schneider -- same Lefty politics -- a clone?

narciso

We've known of the first one, for quite some time, nice to know he works at Bloomberg now,
the other one, well he has a particular skill set that should have told him this was bogus, sarc;

henry

NK, that signing a recall petition isn't political is the same line the Judges who signed it use. Its just like Holder saying "his people" can't be racists and thus can't commit hate crimes.

narciso

This raises a question, that Treacher brought up;

https://twitter.com/#!/ChristinaTVNews

narciso

Did they receive the audiofile or the transcript, and from whom.

Jay

The bottom line is that wingnuts know real news is the province of a worldview that is at odds with theirs. They won't admit it, but the reason it's at odds is because it's fact-based,

Really bubu?

Because you might look kind of dumb suggesting that when every available fact about the Martin shooting has caused the "narrative" (a month ago the narrative was that Martin was gunned down for looking suspicious) to basically fall apart.

The "reality" of NBC news is that people are editing tapes and (allegedly) being fired.

In other words, your silly observation is basically backwards.

narciso

So, from the twitter dialogue, with Tammy, it would appear no one was fired, since she was even denying that the Miami office was at fault, which was probably Stelter passinfg the buck,

Tom Maguire

Now I am steaming - the Google cache of the March 17 story was refreshed on April 10, i.e., this morning. NBC is one step ahead of the law (or, the mob) for now. The WayBack Machine came up empty for me, but I am a low-skill user.

Janet

Here is narciso's twitter link -

"'Jim' 'Treacher' ‏ @jtLOL

· Open

.@jeffburnside & @ChristinaTVNews: Why did you quote George Zimmerman as saying, "This guy looks like he's up to no good... He looks black"?
Christina Hernandez Christina Hernandez ‏ @ChristinaTVNews

Close

@jtLOL That's the way the 911 calls were given to us. It was an NBC issue, not NBC 6 issue, but we fixed it on our end after we found out."

Cecil Turner

Lol.Are we still stuck on this?

Lol, have you still not learned the lesson?

But seriously,how do we know this man didn't antagonize these young African American males????
Hey, how do we know a unicorn didn't do it to him? Or should we just make something else up?

(maybe it's time to leave this group)

Not the conclusion I would've drawn, but at least it's not a perfectly flat learning curve.

narciso

Cpl Ogilvy was never at the Malabar front, and
besides he is a unperson, so what are we talking about,

NK

Henry-- of course. It's just further evidence ofthe mental illness of modern liberalism that the Lefty DAs see no public trust problem with signing a petition to recall the Governor. It's a sickness.

Captain Hate

Narco, so it is true? Do really use a "Narcisolator" to read a bowdlerized version of JOM so that you might marinate exclusively in unthreatening opinions? Gawd that's funny....

Afghanistan is in which continent?

DebinNC

A Freeper linked to a Miami news/blog, which seems to have originated the "neo-nazis are patrolling the streets of Sanford" myth. Maybe other TM myths started at New Times, were echoed by NBC Miami, and then went viral.

Jim Ryan

but I am a low-skill user.

Me neither, TM. I know there's the TV part and the typewriter part.

Charlie? You around?

narciso

Jones who is more of a 'quick draw Mcraw' than I, cache'd it


http://www.lesjones.com/www/images/posts/nbc-miami-911-2.png

Captain Hate

Posted @ AoS:

"To Kill a Mockingbird" - NBC Edit Verison

Scout, a little girl living in the South, learns the true meaning of heroism when her father, Atticus Finch, a small town lawyer......shoots a rabid.....black man who is.......raping white women.

narciso

So, they actually went Nigel Tufnel, on that poll, +11,

RogerJ

Tom--a low tech guy here as well, but arent there enough screen caps out there including those on your site that would establish NBC in fact published these?

NK

TomM-- looks like NBC?Comcast is playing "Saloogie" with the "He looks black.." web report. I was the victim a schoolyard "Saloogie" with my wool cap once-- I ignored the cap picked one of the "saloogie" kids and beat the crap out of him; Saloogie problem ended. Is that an option for you?

RogerJ

Just guessing here (where is Clarice when we need her) but I think NBC is is close consultation with their lawyers to avoid a defamation lawsuit.

Janet

about the Zimmerman family letter to the DOJ...I think every person in jail for hiring a contract hit on someone should be petitioning for a release since it is no longer a crime to do that.

Melinda Romanoff

henry-

Those comments are a stitch. Da "car" guy is a hair's breadth away from falling into Godwin's territory.

Extraneus

Click here for full size.

Melinda Romanoff

I'm still in the camp that the edit was NOT done by NBC. It was delivered to them already edited.

Neo
The blog’s editor, Logan Smith, never asked the governor’s office for comment before he posted his report. Later, in an e-mail, Mr. Smith said he could not be sure whether his sources were correct. “I reported that credible sources said they believed the governor would be indicted — not that I knew she would be indicted, or even whether or not I personally believed she would be indicted,” he said. (He did not respond to questions asking for further clarification.)
The new "norm" ... if the source believes it .. while you remain non-judgemental.
Tom Maguire
Tom--a low tech guy here as well, but arent there enough screen caps out there including those on your site that would establish NBC in fact published these?

We have caps of three different NBC 6 Miami stories that have been re-edited. I just want to roll up the score and figure out why they edited that March 17 AP story a few hours later on Apr 9 after they finished with the three we got.

Well - as if the media can ignore three disappearance but will be riveted by four? A cover-up is a cover-up, and ignoring is ignoring.

narciso

I'm getting that feeling from Christina's twitter,

Rob Crawford

One of the most despicable arguments I've heard lately -- and I think Taranto repeated it -- is that "Zimmerman doesn't have a suit against NBC because he's a public figure". Except that he's a "public figure" because of their libel; if they had not created/propagated the lies, he'd be at home, not a target for lynch mobs.

Rob Crawford

I'm still in the camp that the edit was NOT done by NBC. It was delivered to them already edited.

I asked whats-her-name that bluntly on my never-before-used twit account.

narciso

Now, the problem is there are two sources for that quote, the transcript or the audio file,
both were available from Sanford PD.

clarice feldman

I think Tom has created a wonderful brief for GZ vs. NBC.

DebinNC

GZ said "f***ing c**ns on 911 tape lie may have started with the New Times repeating on a columnist's tweet earlier that morning.

Melinda Romanoff

narciso-

Ya gotta live here to know how often they do that.

RogerJ

Keep up the good work tom--you are now in Johnson's coverage of the Duke Lacrosse case--It is indeed gratifying that bloggers are doing the job these days.

Melinda Romanoff

Even the local sports reporters are in on it. Even questioning "conventional wisdom" will get all the doors slammed on you, sports included.

cboldt

But will NBC throw the AP under the bus? It's much easier to allege firing one of your valued seasoned producers.

RogerJ

Should Zimmerman sue, discovery will be a wonderful process.

Janet

Yeah Mel! Why would we think they are producing their own info now?
Like the Walter Pincus/Jeffrey Smith story in the WaPo ...the info wasn't from the Pentagon's Inspector General...it was from Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.)!

Maybe NBC will try the "messy/sloppy" excuse. It worked for Pincus, Rangel, Berger, & Phil Jones.

Ignatz

--I think that if Zimmerman sued NBC - today, before the SP decision overtakes the story - it would raise the public's awareness of this.--

I imagine he's a bit pre occupied at the moment doing things like staying hidden (and alive) hoping he isn't lynched for political expediency and what not.

narciso

We're all Chicago, Melinda, recall they sent Michele Gillen, the last survivor of the SS
DAteline to our CBS affiliate, and how they
edited Elian's interview to make it look like
he wanted to go back. I think that was ABC.

jwest

I'm still in the camp that the edit was NOT done by NBC. It was delivered to them already edited.
Posted by: Melinda Romanoff | April 10, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Yes, but it would be pretty embarrassing to reveal they got the edit from Media Matters.

Melinda Romanoff

Now, in the chutzpah corner, the challenger. Weighing">http://t.co/y5l6n5mV?sid=12074202">Weighing in with a demand for reparations in Trayvon Martin case.

Can NOT make this stuff up.

Extraneus

You don't think he and his family are under federal protection by now?

cboldt
Six shots were fired into an empty police cruiser early today in the Florida neighborhood where black teenager Trayvon Martin was shot and killed as the mayor warned that the town has become a "kindling box."
Matt Gutman - ABC

Compare with Sanford police car shot near Trayvon Martin scene

Witnesses said they heard six shots; at least two bullets struck the patrol car.
narciso

Yes it was ABC, and it was Diane 'hundreds of countries' Sawyer involved.


http://articles.latimes.com/2000/mar/31/entertainment/ca-14402

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