Testing My Resolution

The Martin family attorneys take a different view from a few Congressman on the impact of Florida's Stand Your Ground law.

Politico:

Several Congressional Black Caucus members have introduced a resolution that memorializes 17-year-old Trayvon Martin and calls for the repeal of controversial gun laws that allow shooters to claim self-defense.

When they fix their link it will take you to H. Res. 612:

Honoring the life of 17-year-old, Trayvon Martin, urging the State of Florida and others to repeal the Stand Your Ground law, and admonishing involved parties to pursue full investigations into all homicides, regardless of defenses asserted by the offender.

They focus on the Stand Your Ground law (Chapter 776), even though Zimmerman was in a standard self-defense situation where retreat was impossible, to wit, on his back.

They also believe that SYG compromised the right of the police to investigate, which is absurd (and not the view of Ben Crump, the Martin family attorney - see COMPROMISED? below).  That said, the law does raise the bar for a probable-cause arrest and subsequent conviction, and I am sure some police force somewhere dropped an investigation because they could see no way to clear the self-defense hurdle.  From the statute (my emphasis):

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—

(1) A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s. 776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.

(2) A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used was unlawful.

Well - expecting Congressman to understand a bill before they pass it may be a bit much.  Probable cause for arrest is the legal norm, but was added by Florida lawmakers for emphasis here.

But wait!  This bill is presumably just a base-rallying, publicity-seeking attempt to force Evil Republicans to cast a vote favoring the random gunning down of black teenagers.  Or so it will be spun - the actual text is irrelevant.

KEEP IN MIND: Probable cause, or its absence, is the basic right protecting us at traffic stops.

BIASED:  The resolution asserts that Mr. Zimmerman was racially biased.

COMPROMISED?  Was the Sanford Police Department investigation compromised by the Stand Your Ground law?  Martin family attorney Ben Crump does not think so, as reported in the Times:

But Mr. Crump and Natalie Jackson, the lawyers for Trayvon’s family, said that the law does not preclude the police from properly investigating a homicide: collecting evidence, thoroughly interviewing the suspect and aggressively questioning witnesses — much of which, they maintained, did not occur in the death of Trayvon Martin.

For example, the lawyers said that as of late last week, no investigator had interviewed Trayvon’s girlfriend.

That is an unimpressive example since Ben Crump has previously said he would only let the young lady speak to Federal investigators (although I agree the Sanford investigators should have found her sooner). In any case, other leaks have indicated that the lead investigator, Chris Serino, never liked George Zimmerman's self-defense alibi and was determined to shake it. 

Jonathan Capehart, who writes for the WaPo, is betting on Serino:

Despite being overruled by superiors, Serino never gave up on trying to have Zimmerman arrested. He filed that affidavit hours before delivering the tragic news to Martin. As more information emerges, we all know with greater clarity why Serino felt he was on to something.

However!  The Orlando Sentinel had this on April 2:

Two weeks ago, during an exclusive interview with the Sentinel, [suspended police chief] Lee disclosed certain details of the investigation and during that session, attended by Serino and others, Serino said his investigation turned up no reliable evidence that cast doubt on Zimmerman's account – that he had acted in self-defense.

"The best evidence we have is the testimony of George Zimmerman, and he says the decedent was the primary aggressor in the whole event," Serino told the Sentinel March 16. "Everything I have is adding up to what he says."

Now, if Serino was complaining that because of his skepticism he was re-assigned to traffic duty, or all his warrant requests were denied, or his lab test results slow-walked, or he got no manpower support in looking for witnesses, that would be one thing.  But he's not reported as making those complaints.

Per the reporting, Serino was skeptical of Zimmerman from the outset, had a free hand in running his investigation, and came up empty.  Well, even though that never happens on Law & Order, I bet in real life police officers sometimes come up empty, regardless of their suspicions.

I imagine the current (or soon to be revised) theme from the "What Do We Want? An Investigation" crowd is that the cover-up conspiracists were so confident of their machinations that they left a skeptical lead investigator in charge with no impediments.  Because they knew they were That Good!

Well, let's hope the Feds and the state investigators are even better; my guess is that in a few weeks we will be informed that they, too, are part of the cover-up.  Can't quite see it?  Try these.

In any case, Congressional resolutons notwithstanding, the Martin family attorneys are not blaming the Stand Your Ground law and Martin supporters are not faulting the lead investigator.

For folks who want more on the Trayvon Martin shooting, law prof Bill Jacobson has a fascinating look at the difficulties of voice matching in 1997; getting the reported match of  scream to the spoken word into a 2012 courtroom looks very unlikely.

However, Tom Owen, who has been widely visible reporting his non-match of Zimmerman's voice to the screams heard in the background of a 911 call, is rolling out new voice matching software at $4,995 per, so we expect he will maintain his media profile.

Want still more?  We came back from a routine doctor visit and trounced PEOPLE magazine - close enough to the bottom of the barrel for ya?  How about some questions for the NY Times?

Comments

[MarkD]

They can't pass a budget, but have time to fix Florida's laws?

It's time for some people to find jobs they want to do.

[Frau Steingehirn]

What would Barack do? (WWBD?)
Vote "present."

[Chubby]

I wonder how many Republicans, if any, are on the the CBC?

[Threadkiller]

A resolution made McCain "natural born", maybe one for Trayvon will give him a new life too.

[Gmax]

This the House where majority rules and they are in the distinct minority. There will be no vote on such a stupid piece of business. They can have a faux hearing in the basement with John Conyers heading it though. Maybe a march down Pennsylvania avenue and see if they get a glimpse of a guy who apparently looks remarkably like St Trayvon. A family resemblance perhaps?

[Extraneus]

Maybe a march down Pennsylvania avenue

Better hope nobody spits on them and calls them hurtful names in their imagination.

[myiq2xu]

All the SYG statute does is shift the burden of proof necessary to arrest. Id does not affect the burden of proof at trial.

[Gmax]

45% APPROVE WHILE 54% DISAPPROVE in Ras today. Hey its news to me, I cant see it while at work, its behind the firewall. That is his worst showing in almost a month. Think the screeching at the Supremes had some effect? Well I do.

[Rick Ballard]

Gmax,

The CBC involvement indicates that the intensity level among blacks must have dropped into the danger zone. I'm not sure I want to guess what's next on the President's race agenda.

[centralcal]

CBC is all Dems, I think, except for Allen West who asked to be a part of it.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Anyone care to wager that this "bill" might have been pre-written for the CBC?

[cboldt]

SYG doesn't change the bar for investigation.

From 776.012, "...However, a person is justified in the use of deadly force and does not have a duty to retreat if: ..."

From 776.013, "...A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force ..."

776.031 includes a "no duty to retreat" phrase, but is about use of force in defense of others; and 776.05 "no duty to retreat" is in the context of a law enforcement officer's duties and rights.

Those are the SYG provisions. There are a bunch of other provisions that describe the contours of justified use of force, but those noted parts are ALL of the SYG provisions. None of them have play in this case. The investigation doesn't involve the question of "retreat."

[Gmax]

7 months Rick. First through 10th drinks will be on me. The road goes on forever and the party never ends once this bastard is thrown out on his ear.

[Ersatz]

" and meet force with force ..."

moral equivalence; Don't bring a fist to a gunfight.

[rse]

LUN is from an ed blog in the ATL newspaper. The reporter tends to put up story designed to communicate a desired meme. She is supposedly on vacation this week but felt the need to stir the pot with this juvenile picture and poor facts.

The comments are angry at the use of the picture but also show how much error is out there on this story and anger.

Even if bo loses, we will be a long time getting over the fires he stoked unless romney can start making it about his bad ideas.

[toobz]

Genesis 4:9

[cboldt]

I meant to say, SYG doesn't change the bar to justify the use of deadly force, in this case.

Zimmerman's actions must either be accompanied by "[reasonable belief] that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself" (776.012) or by "[reasonable belief] it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself ..." (776.013).

Those are not trivial hurdles, and do not admit attacking people who annoy or frighten you.

SYG is an issue here to 1) create smoke and confusion, and 2) empower the thug class by giving them a legal hook against people who resist unlawful attack.

[cboldt]

LUN. Lee posted a remark at the AJC article, positing the same event reported from an alternate universe where the media is not mendacious.

[Extraneus]

OT: Tony Robbins on Iowahawk's "How to live on $10B a day"

[Comanche Voter]

Truth to tell you'll never lose money betting that James Clybourn and the rest of the Congressional Black Caucus will produce something truly stupid. And if you believe that their latest dogs breakfast of a proposal is dumb--well, you ain't seen nothing yet. Give the guys some time--they won't disappoint.

[toobz]

"the thug class"

Little Bill- "you cowardly sonofabitch. You just shot an unarmed man"

Muny-"Well, he shoulda armed himself..."

[Danube of Thought]

"A resolution made McCain 'natural born'"

No it didn't, nor did it purport to do so. (I believe TK knows this very well, but for some reason he says otherwise.)

A statute made him, retroactively, a citizen at birth. That means he's natural born.

[Threadkiller]

No statute mentioned:

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/sres511/text

I am not sure about the ex post facto action you are talking about. Is that allowed in the U.S.?

I believe DoT knows there is nothing in law that states citizen at birth and natural born citizens are synonyms.

[Gmax]

Oh for heavens sake, not another round of Natural Born Killer ( killer for me anyway).

[xbradtc]

Man, I had to bring that up yesterday.

Sorry.

[Threadkiller]

This isn't that bad.

[clarice feldman]

Hsve you landed already, DoT?

[DanubeofGus]

No he is still in the air.

[clarice feldman]

Some of the flights now have wifi. I just wondered if his flight did and how well it works.

[Jack is Back!]

Back after dinner at Cellar on Greene in Columbia, SC. Long drive this afternoon. Dead tired. Food and wine superb, soft shell crab, trout mousse and breaded Wolf Fish. Great location in Five Points right by the Norfolk Southern tracks. Choo Choo and good night.

[clarice feldman]

Do we have this yet? I think wr do.
(CNN) -- An "outraged" Florida prosecutor fired back on Monday at the family of Trayvon Martin, describing as "outright lies" their account that he and a local police chief met and decided not to follow a detective's advice and arrest the teenager's killer.

[Ignatz]

--trout mousse--

Is that like a jackalope?

[stoolmuffin]

"Some of the flights now have wifi. I just wondered if his flight did and how well it works."

How sweet. You miss him, already.

[narciso]

I was premature, yesterday;

http://hotair.com/archives/2012/04/04/palin-vs-couric-today-wins-tuesday-ratings-battle-with-gma/comment-page-1/#comments

[iqvoice]

I think our Congress Critters should have to taken an IQ test at the beginning of each term, with the results available to the public.

It would be most amusing.

[Janet]

Same Tired Rhetoric.

The teleprompter is on a continuous loop.

[iqvoice]

Obviously I would fail the grammar portion.

[Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet]

That is the best campaign ad I have seen to date. More of the same please.

[narciso]

Between these folks and Sharpton, this is beginning to look like the Legion of Doom
over there;

http://news.yahoo.com/officials-egypts-brotherhood-white-house-225832039.html

[Pofarmer]

I'm lazy. Does someone have a link to the text of the resolution?

[Gmax]

Tester at 44% as an incumbent? Leave and take Harry Reid with you.

The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of Likely Montana Voters shows Rehberg with 47% support to Tester’s 44%. Six percent (6%) like some other candidate in the race, and three percent are undecided. (To see survey question wording, click here.

[Pofarmer]

Never mind.

[Ignatz]

Excellent destruction of the twit Bader-Ginsburg's suggestion to the hapless Egyptians that they look to the wonderful Eden of South Africa for their constitutional template.

[maryrose]

This Trayvon Martin case is like beating a dead horse. Isn't Congress supposed to be on an Easter spring break? The CBC is determined to resurect racial tensions and unrest.It's 1968 all over again. There is no prejudice or racism except that which is manufactured by the media to help Obama.
I agree that Obama's background and intellectual prowess are questionable. How could he miss Marbury vs. Madison?
Holder will testify once again about Fast and Furious and continue to lie his way out of it.I love that he has a homework assignment tonight.
Whoever is advising Obama really has their head up their a--.

[xbradtc]

One Tree Hill series finale tonight. NO SPOILERS.

[Janet]

The CBC resolution.

[Fredo]

Justice takes time............

"Four former New Orleans policemen convicted of shootings in 2005 that killed two unarmed people and wounded four others following Hurricane Katrina were given sentences on Wednesday ranging from 38 to 65 years in prison.
A fifth former police officer who did not participate in the shootings but engineered a four-year cover-up of the crimes was sentenced the six years."

The sentencing of the five men in federal court completed one of the last cases of police misconduct in New Orleans more than six years after the devastating hurricane flooded the city and triggered a chaotic aftermath.

Last August, a jury found former policemen Kenneth Bowen, Robert Faulcon, Robert Gisevius and Anthony Villavaso guilty on multiple charges including federal civil rights violations stemming from the September 4, 2005, incident."

[narciso]

Rush, had a rather disturbing scenario, that illuminates what Obama is really planning, he would attack the Court, try to delegitimize
it, including directing mobs to their homes,
push impeachment hearings, like two fools,
Dow and Begala, have already done,

[narciso]

All right this is probably the last straw;

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2125022/James-Bond-Skyfall-Daniel-Craig-ditches-martini-beer-new-movie.html

Are they trying to kill the franchise;

[Chubby]

and if that happened, then what narciso?

[narciso]

I suppose mobilize those who do want (rather need) the health plan, and count on Duke and
Duke not to challenge him.

[cboldt]

Clarice: -- Do we have this yet? I think we do. CNN) -- An "outraged" Florida prosecutor fired back on Monday ... --

Yeah, that's Wolfinger, denying an arm-twisting meeting with Lee and Serino on Feb 26/27, and appearing to deny that Serino objected to the decision to not arrest Zimmerman.

Free the Serino affidavit!

[Caro]

Just an anecdote.

I do not usually talk about politics with my son. He knows where I stand. And his mother-in-law's career was with the Dem party in Albany. Yesterday we were alone in the car listening to Rush (my car) and I asked what he thought of BOzo now. Answer: I would not vote for him again. Why? He has not done or said anything inspiring since he was elected.

He has a struggling small business and he is 39.

That wonderful teleprompter ad proves it.

[Eric in Boise]

Janet 8:24

Meet the new JEF, same as the old JEF.

And did you notice that he even stumbles at almost the exact same point near the end of the clip? There have been a lot of politicians I dislike, often intensely, but I've never had one make my skin crawl the way this guy does. Weird and sinister at the same time.

Had a feeling I might miss Bush. Never dreamed I'd miss Carter.

[Caro]

Sorry to interrupt cbolt's great posts.

[fdcol63]

" ...I've never had one make my skin crawl the way this guy does ..."

Ditto. He's not one of us.

[pagar]

"I think our Congress Critters should have to taken an IQ test at the beginning of each term,"

IMO, that would be too late. Why not have the test at the beginning of the primary season for each candidate?

[Ignatz]

--Had a feeling I might miss Bush. Never dreamed I'd miss Carter.--

Line of the day.

[clarice feldman]

Yeah, the affidavit. Thought so.

[cboldt]

-- Sorry to interrupt cbolt's great posts. --

Oh please. I'm the one who interjects at awkward points! If it weren't for those wacky CBC players, today would have been a Trayvon-free day.

[Janet]

Will that ad be on TV though. There are good ads on the internet...but will that be on CNN, ABC, NBC, Univision, CBS,...?? I hope so.

[cboldt]

CNN -Jeff Toobin says, based on new and improved audio analysis, Zimmerman says "Fscking Cold," not "Coon." Keep analyzing, and before long he'll be reported as singing the Star Spangled Banner.

[Janet]

This is something - Actual Bill Ayers Rant: Why Do ‘Uniformed Military’ Get to Board Planes First?

Another great ad in the making. Whiny ass rich geezer that helped start Obama's political career whining about uniformed military getting to board the plane first. What.A.Loser.

[Caro]

Janet , maybe that depends on how much mony we donate! Anyway, it is fun to have on the intertubes

[Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet]

Ayers rhetorically asked why passengers weren't asked to honor teachers and other public servants by allowing them to board early instead of military personnel.

I am sure it never occurred to him that "the military" volunteers to subject themselves to the risk of serious injury or bodily harm so that assholes like him can spout such nonsense.

[Eric in Boise]

Janet, I'd love to see that ad on CNN and the rest of the alphabet media too. Not sure if the RNC wants to unload this early in the game or not. I'm just pleased they put it together.

Here's the deal, though. I just got back from being amused over at AoS (yeah, I know) and one of the commenters was saying that she had showed it to her husband, and he was going to forward it to all the lefties in his family. What if we all committed to forward it to some of our, um, "less than committed" friends? I will, since I think it's a very effective in communicating what this guy's really about (or not about). To the extent this (or other segments like it) go viral, who needs CBS, ABC, etc.

Army of Davids, and all that. I really want it to make a difference in November. I hope it does. I hope we can.

[fdcol63]

Bill Ayers: "I get up every morning thinking ... today I'm gonna end capitalism"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/04/01/ayers-get-up-every-morning-thinking-today-im-gonna-end-capitalism/

And I get up every morning thinking ... today Bill Ayers may just drop dead.

[narciso]

Like Cohn Bendit, or Andreas Baader (had he lived), or Antonio Negri, Brigatte Rossi, theorist, they cannot imagine such a notion.

[Dave (in MA)]

Congressional Black Caucus

An organization that counts among its ranks multiple tax cheats, someone who thinks that Guaum is a big raft of dirt that'll tip over if too many people stand on it and another who thinks we landed astronauts on Mars.

[Dave (in MA)]

Guaum

[fdcol63]

Dave, don't forget Alcee Hastings, an impeached and convicted and removed former Federal judge.

[narciso]

And you wonder why I'm cynical,

[centralcal]

Thanks for sharing that, Caro. One Obama voter at a time - becoming an ABO in the future, I hope.

Janet, I agree that Ad is pretty devastating - great orator, indeed.

[narciso]

Not so secretly I think;

http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2012/04/04/why-the-u-s-may-be-secretly-cheering-a-muslim-brotherhood-run-for-egypts-presidency/

[pagar]

"Ayers rhetorically asked why passengers weren't asked to honor teachers "

After what teachers, who have fallen under Ayer's guidance have done to America's students, I don't think that group should be honored. I'm sure there are some good teachers left but I'm not sure how we would find them.

[narciso]

You know he's been a standup guy as far as I can recall;

http://twitchy.com/2012/04/04/don-cheadle-slams-nbc-for-misleading-edit-of-zimmerman-911-tape/

[Melinda Romanoff]

Regarding the trashing (aka "delegitimizing") of the SCOTUS, this has a Chicago tradition to it.

If the court (pick one) rules against you, rename the program, hide the methodology, and dare someone to enforce the ruling. They're betting this same business model will work.

Who's going to enforce a ruling by the Supreme Court if they go ahead with everything anyway? They will make you prove, every step of the way, that they are not in compliance with one iota of a ruling.

Obamacare must be fully defunded to kill it.

[pagar]

Narciso @10:06, IMO, the Obama regime is cheering whoever CAIR tells them to cheer anywhere in the world. IMO,They are certainly not cheering any pro American people.

[Neo]

"We are right back where we were two years ago. I would put money on 2012 being a bigger year for foreclosures than 2010," said Mark Seifert, executive director of Empowering & Strengthening Ohio's People (ESOP), a counseling group with 10 offices in Ohio.

"Last year was an anomaly, and not in a good way," he said.

In 2011, the "robo-signing" scandal, in which foreclosure documents were signed without properly reviewing individual cases, prompted banks to hold back on new foreclosures pending a settlement.

[Porchlight]

I think I see what Malkin is trying to do with that Twitchy site - follow Twitter threads in a way that's easy to read and digest - but that site needs help. It takes forever to load and has those big orange blocks of background that show up and then disappear. The logo looks pixelly too.

That's on Chrome on a laptop, btw. Maybe mobile interfaces (for which it's obviously designed) make it look better.

[Captain Hate]

You know he's been a standup guy as far as I can recall;

It's always a risk to try and figure out if it's an act or the real person; I'm glad he's a good guy.

[narciso]

Yes, he said that stupid 'gangsta' remark, but he's been pretty straightforward otherwise, some are simply unredeemable'

http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2012/04/04/gunter-grass-draws-fire-for-poem-criticizing-israel/

[Publius from Idaho]

I rhetorically ask why passengers don't honer teachers and other public servants by allowing them to deplane early, preferably on approach.

[Threadkiller]

Oh oh. It looks like Trayvon Westcoast has hit the shoals. What the Hell are we going to riot over now?!?

"EL CAJON — Search warrant records obtained Wednesday in the beating death of an Iraqi-American woman show a family in turmoil and cast doubt on the likelihood that her slaying was a hate crime.

Shaima Alawadi, a 32-year-old mother of five, was apparently planning to divorce her husband and move to Texas when she was killed, a family member told investigators, according to the court documents.

The records obtained at El Cajon Superior Court also reveal Alawadi’s 17-year-old daughter, Fatima Alhimidi, who called 911 to report the attack, was distraught over her pending arranged marriage to a cousin.

A search of Fatima’s cellphone records shows that while she was being interviewed by investigators hours after the attack, someone sent the teen a text message that read, “The detective will find out tell them (can’t) talk,” the affidavit states.

Fatima and her mother were the only ones at their El Cajon home on Skyview Street when the attack occurred about 11 a.m. on March 21.

Alawadi’s husband, Kassim Alhimidi, had reportedly left to take the couple’s other younger children to school, although police state in the March 27 affidavit that his whereabouts had not yet been confirmed.

Fatima told El Cajon police that she heard her mother squeal, and 10 seconds later heard the sound of glass breaking, the affidavit said. She told police she thought her mother had dropped a plate. Ten minutes later, the daughter discovered her mother lying unconscious on the ground, near a computer, and called 911.

A neighbor reported seeing a skinny dark-skinned male running west from the area of Alawadi’s house. He was described as being in his late teens to early 20s, 5 feet 7 inches tall, 150 pounds, wearing a dark blue or black hooded sweatshirt and carrying a brown doughnut-shaped cardboard box."

http://m.utsandiego.com/news/2012/apr/04/records-hint-iraqi-womans-death-not-a-hate-crime/?page=2

Hoodies again?? Say it ain't so.

[Janet]

don-cheadle-slams-nbc-for-misleading-edit-of-zimmerman-911-tape/

Speaking of Cheadle...I posted this at the end of Captain Hate's thread -
"If this is our off topic thread, I've just gotta post this from Weasel Zippers - Meet Captain Planet.

"The show Captain Planet was created in the early 1990′s by liberal media mogul Ted Turner and environmental activist Barbara Pyle to encourage kids to care about the earth.

Captain Planet teamed up with the “Planeteers” after Gaia, the spirit of the Earth, bestowed on them the power of the elements to defend her from harm."

"He" is gonna be at the White House Easter egg roll. "He" has a lot to do with Easter I guess. :(

Here is a Funny or Die parody of Captain Planet, starring Don Cheadle....but it seems pretty true!

[narciso]

Sure he did, I'm sure he feels like the teleprompter just about now;

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/04/04/laurence-tribe-obama-misspoke-on-supreme-court/

[Rob Crawford]

Has anyone asked the CBC why they think laws making it easier to defend yourself from criminals are discriminatory against blacks?

[Ignatz]

--Here is a Funny or Die parody of Captain Planet, starring Don Cheadle....but it seems pretty true!--

That was funny stuff Janet.
They're liable to run that fella out of town aren't they?

[matt]

American Soldier: Mr. Ayers, why I fulfilled my quota of killing Afghan babies, you m*t&er*uc*er! There's a special deal with the airlines.

Just put a friend of mine in the ground today. Never got over his old wounds.

People like Ayers deserve serious hard time and instead are a part of our elite.

[Captain Hate]

some are simply unredeemable'

I had a good time at a former blog when I told somebody who worshiped Grass that his hero had voluntarily been a Nazi and then lied about it after he allied himself with the commies. It was like watching a Macy's float slowly deflate.

[Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet]

Roger that Matt.

[narciso]

The walls of Jericho, I mean 'Duke and Duke' are starting to fall;

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2012/04/kevin_dewine_agrees_to_step_do.html

[narciso]

'Irony it's what's for breakfast;

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/05/world/middleeast/sheik-hazem-salah-abu-ismail-may-be-disqualified-from-egypt-pre

[Strawman Cometh]

Who's going to enforce a ruling by the Supreme Court...
Obamacare must be fully defunded to kill it.

And even if they defund it, Timmy can still sign checks. Who, in this environment, will call him on it?

[Strawman Cometh]

People like Ayers deserve serious hard time
No doubt. The next time you see Woodward, remind him that his career was made by the guy who put a bomber back on the streets.

[jimmyk]

Who, in this environment, will call him on it?

On the other hand, if an insurance company offers a policy that doesn't cover your 26-year-old, or they refuse to offer insurance to someone with serious medical problems, or if someone doesn't purchase medical insurance, who's going to penalize them? What judge would sanction any penalties?

[Threadkiller]

Looking forward to a DoT check-in. Hope you are having a great time!

Goodnight.

[Strawman Cometh]

who's going to penalize them?
The IRS.

We don't need no stinkin' judges.

[Frau Steingehirn]

I'm glad others have learned that Grass is a big fraud. Pfui!
From narciso's link:

"However, they also remind any reader familiar with Grass’ biography about his failing for decades to mention that he himself had served in the Waffen-SS. Only in 2006, seven years after receiving the Nobel Prize, did Grass confess that as a teenager he tried to enlist in a Nazi U-boat fleet, was conscripted into the Third Reich’s Labor Service, and fought in a tank at Marienbad at the end of the war."

[Gus]

He forgot Frau. My Grandad was crippled and imprisoned by the Nazi Third Reich.

He never forgot.