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Clarice

Eat more cinnamon and eat whatever else you like.(Also eat tumeric but that's for cancer prevention, not fat fighting.)

Clarice

Well, what won't it do? Tumeric also fights fat, apparently: "
Turmeric encourages the release of digestive enzymes, which can help to break down fats and carbohydrates. Add to stir-fried vegetables or add a spoonful when cooking brown rice."


http://www.naturalnews.com/030088_fat_foods.html#ixzz1vWts7Cog

It's also in French's mustard and almost anything you eat that's yellow.

NK

We are all data points along the bell curve, so everyone has to determine 1. what they crave and eat, and 2. how their own metabolism works and doesn't work. I'm a simple carb freak and prone to insulin swings, so lots of protein (even fats, within reason), low-no simple carbs, lots of veggies, no fruit is the plan for for me. In 2009 I lost 72lbs of fat, I've kept 62lbs off, I'm back to work to lose the last 10. It's up to everyone to figure out their own body -- and NOT eat sheetcake for breakfast!

Rob Crawford

That bodes poorly for any sort of regulatory or public education approach.

Why even consider a "regulatory" approach?

Thomas Collins
"regulatory or public education approach"

Just what we need. More intrusion of the regulatory state into our affairs.

I am truly amazed at the extent to which the citizens in the bodily politic formed under the idea that government only provides a framework for securing unalienable rights meekly accept the state not only as defining rights, but also literally putting its nose in our dinner plates.

sbw

Regulatory approach? Who put you in charge of my fat?

GMAX

My take on the CH posting of the mewling of the Wisconsin Top Democrats, is that they are maneuvering to play pin the jackass on Trumpka. Somebody has to take the blame, and he is as dumb as they come and about as unlikeable too, so he is going to be goose in the game of duck, duck goose.

This will be fun to watch.

cboldt

I'll go with the "more sugar" faction. Not that I've vetted the figures, but the per-person rate of refined sugar consumption went up, what, by a factor of 20 or 50 in the last 40 years?

Chubby

((Why even consider a "regulatory" approach?))

exactly, I do not approve the colonization of ever more more parasitic bureaucrats who get fatter and fatter feeding off taxpayers, and who left to propagate unchecked will kill off the host

Ignatz

Eat whatever you want, you're going to croak no matter what. Just don't eat too damn much of it.

Tom Maguire
Why even consider a "regulatory" approach?

Good question. On this topic my commitment to free markets and consumer sovereignty is fading in the face of the unrelenting expansion of the American public. And there are studies suggesting sugar is addictive (as a craver myself, I believe it).

It *might* be that a real public education campaign would be enough. Michelle's "Let's Move" emphasizes so much that it ends up emphasizing nothing.

But cigarettes were beaten back by a combination of taxes, no-smoking regs, advertising bans, and public education.

OTOH how is the War on Drugs working out? And alcohol related deaths are still something like 80,000 per year (I assume that includes traffic fatalities).

And since Medicare puts us all on the hook for each other's health care (even if ObamaCare is struck down), we all have a financial stake inn each other's health-related choices, including dietary ones.

Isn't it a great country? From "Live free or die" to "Live free but not fat". Troubling...

Thomas Collins

If there is going to be a public education campaign, it would be most helpful if structured along the lines of Ignatz's 2:49 PM. The only exception to Ignatz's approach would be for folks with food allergies (such as nut allergies).

Porchlight

As long as food prices remain relatively low and people can buy as much food as they choose to consume, we'll be fatter than we should be.

It is the price of prosperity.

I abhor the statist mindset that would want to use regulation a/k/a force to change this.

Thomas Collins
"And since Medicare puts us all on the hook for each other's health care (even if ObamaCare is struck down), we all have a financial stake inn each other's health-related choices, including dietary ones."

If I took this approach, which I don't, I would be hoping all Baby Boomer diabetics kept overdosing on the sugar, all Baby Boomers with drug issues kept shooting up and snorting, and all Baby Boomers with heart issues kept gorging junk food. That will reduce the expenditures on health programs for Baby Boomers. They will be dropping out for good before they could put too much of a drain on the fisc.

Richard Aubrey

Said it before: My father was supposedly the fastest end in whatever conference UConn was in before the war. 6'1"1/12 185. When I got out of OCS, I was 6'2", 205. Underfed, overworked. I could have whipped a tiger except if a tiger had looked me in the eye, he'd have slunk away. I was in such good shape that a three week leave over Christmas (Eat, Drink) still left me able to consider the physical requirements of the fearsome Airborne School...a joke.
Both my father and I would have qualified as overweight at current standards.
Bullshit. They're ratcheting down the weight issue to gin up another crisis.

AliceH

This sounds like a perfect subject for my proposal that any/all new legislation (whether taxes, regulations, or funding) must be piloted in the Congress either for a specified number of years, or until the pilot can be demonstrated to be a measurable success.

Clarice

I like TM's idea for regulating the food we eat..It's bound to be great for my sharpened pike business.

Chubby

((As long as food prices remain relatively low and people can buy as much food as they choose to consume, we'll be fatter than we should be.))

One of the real tragedies of our society is that many people who are pefectly normal in weight think that they are fatter than they should be. I think a campaign against obesity directed at young children will escalate that problem. The skeletal look is a fashion that developed only in last 150 years or so. Have you read "Seeing Through Clothes"?

daddy

Why Not?

They've been leaving it on our TV Screens for years.

Rex

One problem is that people's genetics are different. There's a company who will test your DNA to see if you lose weight better under a low fat diet or a low carb diet. My genetics came back saying I'll lose weight better under a low carb diet. I suspect my wife is the other way.

Rex

Clarice, how do you sharpen a fish?

Thomas Collins

See LUN for a report on what may be the most un-PC research study in recent memory. The conclusion of the study is that the Czech Republic's public fisc is benefitted by smoking.

Of course, this study is not a justification for a campaign to increase butt use (nor would a study concluding that consumption of sugar, carbs and beef fats benefits the fisc justify a campaign to have more fries, hot dogs, sugary soda and burgers consumed). The point is that we must be careful to examine closely the argument that our food intake can be regulated by NannyGuv becasue it increases the burden on the fisc. There may be those who believe this in good faith. However, I think this argument is largely a smokescreen (or transfat screen) to justify the regulation of individual behavior.

bgates

It's also in French's mustard and almost anything you eat that's yellow.

NB for the President: Golden retrievers are not a good source of turmeric.

matt

once again the Left is redefining the language. "The Body Politic" now has a whole new meaning.

Porchlight

Have you read "Seeing Through Clothes"?

I haven't, Chubby, but I agree with you that what is considered overweight often really isn't. BMI is a crock.

NK

Rex and Ig are spot on. Find out how your body works, then don't eat too much of it. When I lost the 70+ lbs, people naturally asked 'what program' did I use? I told them it is a new thing- eat much less and exercise more. That's the bottom line.

Gus

Liberals running goverment makes me sick.
Food makes me less hungry.
Butt out LIBS.

Thomas Collins

Becasue this is the most recent food thread, we would all be remiss not to pay homage to ancient Native American recipes that provide long life, oneness with The Great Spirit and the perfect example of paleface hustle. See LUN.

pagar

Outside a nation!

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/global-diabetes-tsunami-and-why-america-actually-has-it-good

"Because when compared to countries without a social safety net, such as China and India, the US diabetes problem is child's play"

Thomas Collins

More from Cackling Crab Lizzie's recipe book at LUN.

Tom Maguire
I abhor the statist mindset that would want to use regulation a/k/a force to change this.

I abhor the statist mindset that forces me to pay for everybody elses's healthcare.

I like TM's idea for regulating the food we eat...

Food production has been regulated and subsidized for decades.

Czech Republic's public fisc is benefitted by smoking.

I believe a similar study showed a similar result in the US. The perfect citizen, fiscally speaking, pays Social Security until 65 and then, at his/her retirement party, drops dead of an instant and inexpensive heart attack. Preferably painless as well.

Plenty of citizens are less cooperative but smokers came closest to that profile. Of course, some get lingering, expensive lung cancer, but heart disease gets a lot of 'em.

Re 205 and technically overweight - yes, BMI doesn't work for athletes. My survey of the NJ Turnpike rest stops convinces me that the US is not over-run by hyper-athletic middle-aged men.

And be careful with that cinnamon - some people (including yours truly) actually get weird blood pressure effects and arrythmic heart beats as a result.

daddy

Dennis Miller has on a Breitbart Editor. They are now doing the Obama was a Cherokee story. Big laughs from Dennis.

Very fun and rapid brain spurts from the both of them---tongues a flappin' at Warp speed.

Screw Rush's Tea---I have no idea what kind of caffeine they have over there on Dennis's show, but I want some. I think they must be injecting it intravenous.

Thomas Collins
"My survey of the NJ Turnpike rest stops convinces me that the US is not over-run by hyper-athletic middle-aged men."

Forgive the off topic, but this reminds me of a road trip I took a few years back. I stopped at the Newark rest stop on the Garden State Parkway North, and there was a full fledged party going on in the parking lot with boom boxes, dancing and plenty of flirting among the young studs and studesses. Police were on the scene in parked cars. However, it didn't look as if the police were called because things were out of control. Apparently, the police knew partying was going on and they were there simply as a reminder to the partiers to keep things under control. I thought it was a great idea to save door fees at the nightclubs. Bring the nightclub to the parking lot!

RichatUF

test

RichatUF

cinnamon - some people (including yours truly) actually get weird blood pressure effects and arrythmic heart beats as a result

Thats odd-thanks. Another bit of news you can use. I tried the cream of tartar and oj concotion to help in quitting smoking. Word to the wise-1 tsp of cream of tartar 600mg of potassium-strangely cramoed up in my legs for a couple of days after.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

One problem is that people's genetics are different.

I wish they would have had that DNA test thirty years ago after I had my first by pass surgery. The docs then put me on the conventionally wise lo-fat, lo-cholesterol diet along with a beta blocker to slow down my heart rate. The result: Type 2 diabetes 11 years later.

In the early 2000's, I had a sophisticated blood test from Berkley Labs which showed my chronic high triglycerides and high cholesterol was genetic, and not diet related. Since then, I have been on a modified Atkins diet and my blood chemistry is normal. I am still insulin dependent, but take far less insulin than before.

Richard Aubrey

""Re 205 and technically overweight - yes, BMI doesn't work for athletes. My survey of the NJ Turnpike rest stops convinces me that the US is not over-run by hyper-athletic middle-aged men.""

Strictly speaking, I wasn't an athlete. I was a newly-commissioned Infantry second lieutenant. The point is that, even sloppy guys at 6'2", 205 aren't "overweight". My dad, half an inch shorter and thirty pounds lighter...overweight??? He actually gained a couple of pounds in OCS.

Soylent Red

Government keep your laws off my bodyfat!

NK and I are apparently in the same weight loss category, although he is obviously more successful at it than I (72 lbs! HFS!).

I have binging and bad decision week after PT tests, then I go back on my regularly scheduled food regimen.

No potatoes, no corn, no bread, no pasta. Minimal fruit, usually apples or bananas, early in the day. Nothing with sugar in it, other than a handful of dark chocolate morsels with nutmeal and coconut milk for breakfast. Carbs are de debil.

Just doing that, drinking lots of water, and eating small meals six times a day (mostly protein), I can lose 10 lbs in a week or ten days. Regular aerobic exercise and weights reduces that down to a firm week.

Also, BMI is crap if your are a weightlifter. Periodic weight training has phases where you can basically eat almost anything you want because you are burning 2000-2500 calories a day in the gym, and bulking up muscle mass.

Most bodybuilder physiques are low bodyfat only when and because they crash diet and dehydrate before shows, so what you see on the front of magazines is extremely unnatural. In fact six pack abs are very unnatural unless you are some kind of hard core endurance athlete.

Anyway, blahblahblah. Anytime you feel good, have lots of energy and can tolerate yourself in the mirror, you are eating right no matter what the experts or Michelle Obama tells you.


Clarice, how do you sharpen a fish?

If it's a sword fish, you could always use a stone crab.

Porchlight

I abhor the statist mindset that forces me to pay for everybody elses's healthcare.

Me too. So the answer is to make everyone else eat the way we think they should? What other expensive outcomes should we try to force them to avoid?

Porchlight

Food production has been regulated and subsidized for decades.

There is a substantial difference between regulating production and regulating individual intake.

Rob Crawford

On this topic my commitment to free markets and consumer sovereignty is fading in the face of the unrelenting expansion of the American public.

That's nice.

Who made you king?

Do the rest of us get to declare our own sumptuary laws as well?

Rob Crawford

I abhor the statist mindset that forces me to pay for everybody elses's healthcare.

So the solution is to INCREASE the intrusions into liberty?

Er...

too smart

How boring. No Moochelle food nazi blowback?

Good nutrition is a scam.

Clarice

Neer heard of anyone having trouble with cinnamon. It helps me but then I have very low blood pressure. (It's genetic. My 93 y.o. other has it , too. And we both share a tendency toward high triglyceride counts but it doesn't seem to have created a problem for her.)Frankly, the longer I live the more I think the "experts" know very little about proper nutrition --and yes-- different strokes for different folks.

Tom Maguire
Who made you king?

Nobody, which is probably just as well.

Do the rest of us get to declare our own sumptuary laws as well?

You certainly are free to advocate for any laws you see fit, and good luck. So far I am having zero impact, but the decade is young and the No Sugar crowd is on the march.

Ignatz

--Of course, this study is not a justification for a campaign to increase butt use...--

This sounds like a policy I could certainly get behind, but I'd like it a defined a little better.

Jack is Back

TM,

Whatever you do don't make any of Ree Drummond's (Pioneer Woman) recipes. Her Cinnamon buns call for 2 pounds of powdered sugar just for the icing. Pounds, not cups or TSP's but pounds:)

Soylent Red

If there's one things BF knows about, it's radicals.

Melinda Romanoff

JiB-

I'm sure "Plenty of Melted Butter" in that recipe is some where between "one" and "two".

Where do I sign up?

Joan

Usually I read all comments before deciding to comment, but I've decided just to add my piece of wisdom :) ... our nation suffers from obesity because people eat enormous portions and do not exercise. It's simple as that.

This epidemic of obesity makes me sad, especially when I see overweight grade school and high school students. Hopefully something will happen to halt this binge we're on. I sometimes wish all students graduating from high school had to put in two years of national service; and, during this time be exposed to good nutrition, exercise, as well as giving everyone a chance to mature before enrolling in college without an idea of what they really want to do with their lives.

Joan

Ree Drummond is cooking for men who do hard physical labor every day. Ranch life is not easy. Her children probably play and work outside every day. A couple of those cinnamon rolls won't hurt people who are burning up those calories.

narciso

That's the logical response, Joan, that's why
they won't do it.

GoneWithTheWind

Most diabetes is genetic, you get it from your parents and grandparents not your food. If you have diabetes you may not know it, about half the peoplew in the U.S. with diabetes do not know it. The symptoms usually begin to show in your 30's and even 40's. IF you have diabetes then your diet is critical to your illness. For this reason it is a common misconception that since a proper diet helps control the symptoms of diabetes that therefore a proper diet prevents diabetes. Again you get diabetes from your genes not from your food. If you are not genetically diabetic then you can eat sugar until it comes out of your ears and you won't "catch" diabetee from it.

Regarding the often stated "fact" that the rate of diabetes is increasing; It isn't what is increasing is: 1)Diagnosing diabetes which merely increases the number of people known to have diabetes while decreasing the number of people who do not know they have diabetes.
2)the percent of people in the U.S. with a genetic predisposition to have diabetes, i.e. African Americans, hispanics and native Americans. These groups have a much higher rate of diabetes then people with a European heritage.

Cinnamon and tumeric don't cure anything and don't prevent anything. This is pure Bullshit, voodoo, superstition, and old wives tales.

glasater

Smokers have to pay more for health insurance. I don't know why a higher insurance premium shouldn't apply to the morbidly obese.

Manuel Transmission

As I've mentioned in a couple of previous nutrition posts, the Chinese folks I've worked with have high diabetes incidences without being overweight. Note that in that ZH link they are claiming 90M having the problem over there. I would argue that that number is divided by something closer to the 300M in the middle class -- not the whole 1.3B.

GoneWithTheWind

"our nation suffers from obesity because people eat enormous portions and do not exercise. It's simple as that."

It probably seems logical but then wouldn't we have 100% obesity? The fact is that obesity is mostly genetic. If your mother and/or father were obese then you will most likely be obese too. The normal result of living in the 1st world where food is plentiful and labor saving devices are everywhere is that people gain a few pounds especially as they get older. But if you are genetically predisposed to be obese you gain 50, 100, 150 pounds and your weight gain begins early. You can't help it, the more you diet the more your body fights you and stores fat. If on the other hand you are NOT genetically predisposed to be obese then you can pretty much eat whatever you want and your weight stays within normal bounds. It isn't the portions, it isn't the excercise it is your genes.

Clarice

From Mayo Clinic.com
from Maria Collazo-Clavell, M.D.

Whether cinnamon can lower blood sugar is a topic of debate — but recent research suggests that cinnamon may be helpful as a supplement to regular diabetes treatment in people with type 2 diabetes.

One study published in 2009 found that cinnamon taken twice a day for 90 days improved hemoglobin A1C levels — a reflection of average blood sugar level for the past two to three months — in people with poorly controlled type 2 diabetes (hemoglobin A1C levels greater than 7 percent).

More research is needed to confirm these findings and determine how cinnamon supplementation leads to these benefits. One theory is that cinnamon increases insulin action.

GoneWithTheWind

Studies! "research suggests"! "cinnamon may be helpful"!! What, exactly, does it all mean? Most "studies" are not studies at all. Most of these headlines come from special interest groups who have already decided what they believe and search for anything that "suggests" what they want to suggest. The MSM doesn't know any better and they just report what they were given. Some studies are the result of college students writing a thesis and in general the results lead no where and are never replicated or taken serious. No matter the MSM reports it as though it was meaningful.

But lets say it's real!! OK! So why not have everyone who has diabetes take cinnamon twice a day and diabetes is cured!! No more diabetes, right? Well of course it won't happen because the real scientists know these so-called studies are meaningless pablum for the masses and aren't real.

It would be easy to say that these studies are well intentioned and any mistakes or incorrect press releases are unintentional. But the people putting out these studies know they are inaccurate, misleading and often times pure bullshit. But if you are a college professor or undergraduate student you must publish or perish. That's why they use dodgy words like "suggest", "may", etc.

Ralph L

It's bound to be great for my sharpened pike business.
Posted by: Clarice
I thought you were selling piles of carp.

The french fry is the number one culprit.
No. 2 is eating out.

chaussures jordan

Eine Studie im Jahr 2009 veröffentlicht herausgefunden, dass Zimt zweimal täglich für 90 Tage verbesserte Hämoglobin A1C Ebenen getroffen - ein Spiegelbild der durchschnittliche Blutzuckerspiegel der letzten zwei bis drei Monate - bei Patienten mit schlecht eingestellten Typ-2-Diabetes (Hämoglobin A1C-Spiegel größer als 7 Prozent).

Kevin B

I wonder what the various dietary factions will say when it turns out that the epidemic of obesity/diabetes 2 really is an epidemic.

That is, it is caused by a mutation in one or more of our symbiotic partners, or perhaps some other bacteria or virus, and the cure is a selective antibiotic.

Even after the great ulcer kerfuffle, medics still tend to forget how much work, particularly digestive work, is done by our symbiotes.

Oh, and life expectancy world wide keeps going up and up. How can this be?

AliceH

Don't disregard the impact of air conditioning on rates of obesity. Cool indoor temperatures not only decrease outdoor activity (aka exercise), but also increase the amount of time spent in passive behavior such as sitting around surfing the net, watching TV.

A/C also makes it more comfortable to linger at the table, and eat those larger portions and extra courses.

NK

Joan, AliceH and RalphL -- highlight the reality. This is mostly about lifestyle choices. Sedentary office work, climate control, eating out (if it tastes good it's full of fat and sugar/salt, if it's cheap it's full of simple carbs-- I'm looking at you Taco Bell), and snacking on processed food empty calories all combined have led to the fattening of America. I was fat for almost 20 years before I said enough-- 20 prime years wasted. It's never too late-- exercise, drink water, spend as many hours as possible UNairconditioned in summer months, eat right, you'll be amazed at what it does.

Ignatz

--"our nation suffers from obesity because people eat enormous portions and do not exercise. It's simple as that."--

--It probably seems logical but then wouldn't we have 100% obesity?--

Not sure a person who writes a sentence like that second one in response to the first should be employing the word 'logic'.
Obviously she is not claiming that all people eat enormous portions and don't exercise, only those who are obese, so why would anyone infer that she was?

--But if you are genetically predisposed to be obese you gain 50, 100, 150 pounds and your weight gain begins early. You can't help it, the more you diet the more your body fights you and stores fat.--

So even if you eat fewer calories than you burn for an extended period you can't help it and still become obese? What other laws of physics do our bodies defy?

Thomas Collins

Ignatz, I acknowledge that I might be better off limiting my use of "butts" to booties and not use the term in reference to cigarettes. But butts is the term I grew up with, and "fannies" was the term we used for booties. Hopefully no JOMer decides to post a picture that combines the two objects referred to as "butts"! :-))

Chubby

((So even if you eat fewer calories than you burn for an extended period you can't help it and still become obese? What other laws of physics do our bodies defy))

excellent question, Ignatz.

Chubby

((Cool indoor temperatures not only decrease outdoor activity (aka exercise)))

I don't think so. AC or no AC, only mad dogs and Englishmen go out in the noon day sun

AliceH

NK: I'm glad for you. Not sure how to explain why I've never had a weight problem, though. I have a sedentary job, I don't exercise, my favorite foods are french fries and pizza. I also happen to love yogurt, cottage cheese and fresh veggies.

I think appetite is the key. I rarely feel hungry, so I rarely snack or eat more than a reasonable portion of anything. That's either luck or genetics (or luck of genetics), not lifestyle choice right there.

Dave (in MA)

chaussures jordan | May 22, 2012 at 02:21 AM, Ich bin ein jelly doughnut.

Ignatz

--I think appetite is the key. I rarely feel hungry, so I rarely snack or eat more than a reasonable portion of anything. That's either luck or genetics (or luck of genetics), not lifestyle choice right there.

Posted by: AliceH | May 22, 2012 at 10:46 AM--

I'm hungry all the time. Now I happen to be blessed with a metabolism which allows me to eat a lot and not put on much weight but when I want to lose weight I just don't eat when I'm hungry.
It's not that hard. Feeling hungry once in awhile is OK. It's not like the urge to take a drink as you're crossing Death Valley or to take a breath after you've been under water for a couple of minutes. Many people seem to treat a growling tummy as a lawful order from the CIC [their stomach] to fill it promptly and to the brim.

Chubby

((That's either luck or genetics (or luck of genetics), not lifestyle choice right there. ))

What about the way your parents raised you? Is it possible that they instilled eating patterns in you that have had even more of an effect than genetics?

I have often thought that people who compulsively overeat need role models to emulate nore than they need books about diets, calories, portions, diet recipes, etc. and I have for a long time thought that a book called, "what do normal people eat?" could do overeaters a world of good. The research would consist of intereviewing people who have never had a problem with overweight and would discuss nothing about food/bodily chemistry but focus strictly on behavior patterns and normal people's thoughts about food ane eating.

It's probably not acceptably pc to call an overweight person not normal, but that is just a working title.

AliceH

Heh, Chubby. I had a similar idea when I was in High School - "rent a skinny person". Some one wanting to lose weight would 'hire' someone of similar height/build but target weight to be their food-buddy. You eat exactly what, when, and how much the hired skinny-buddy eats. No thought involved at all - just strict application of someone else's eating habits for a fixed period of time.

Chubby

a winning idea Alice :)

I'm seeing a new title: "learning how to eat normally from a 100 skinny people"

you will of course get the royalties owed to you.

what is your answer to my question about your parents' effect on your eating habits versus genetics?

AliceH

I don't know how to answer the question about my parents' effect on my eating habits, so I didn't try. About the only thing I do recall on the subject was the admonition to chew thoroughly, keep elbows off the table, and the fact we had to wait for everyone to finish eating before we were allowed to ask to be excused from the table. (That sounds bleaker than it was.)

HeftyJo

Ah, I see that the conclusion is that we're all fat is because we lack willpower and don't understand the basic laws of thermodynamics. First of all, appetite stimulation is a powerful inbred trait that all animals share whether you are an amoeba or mouse. Yet we're to believe that humans with their vast intellects are capable of overpowering this most ancient of survival mechanisms. We've got people that say, "well I can handle my hunger pains," and then tut tut all those weaklings that can't contain their desires. Never mind that there are poor people who do back breaking levels of labor and live off meager rations of food ever day yet are statistically overweight as a population (especially among women). People get to focused on the energy in/energy out formula to dieting. They ignore the other side of the equation of what precisely makes fat go up and down. What kind of food you put into your body is just as important as how much. Particularly when you have factors like appetite and metabolism at play. Insulin plays a critically important factor in how your body packs on fat. It used to be that doctors would give underweight people insulin injections to fatten them up. Insulin has a direct action on your fat cells ability to metabolize fatty acids into triglycerides. Without insulin the fatty acids will continuously circulate around in your blood until it's eventually used up as energy by your bodies cells. And I think heart disease is more prevalent now days because of the switch to seed based light oils. We should go back to solid animal based fats for cooking and other solid fats like coconut oil and palm oil (excluding vegetable shortening). Not only are our circulatory systems better suited for these types of fats they also serve better to satiate our appetites and make us feel more full, thus reducing the amount of food consumed.

Ignatz

-Never mind that there are poor people who do back breaking levels of labor and live off meager rations of food ever day yet are statistically overweight as a population...--

So do their meager rations account for less energy than they expend? And if they do how do they suspend the laws of physics and gain weight?
If they consume more energy than they expend doing this back breaking labor then perhaps their rations aren't all that meager and perhaps they should be lower.
Certainly what types of food are consumed is important as are our metabolisms and the complex nature of our bodies as a whole, but at a basic level there is no getting around the energy balance.

GoneWithTheWind

Consuming more or less calories then you use to maintain body functions is an intuitive concept that makes sense. However our bodies act as they do because of genetic traits and demands. The simple fact is if your genetic predisposition is to be obese it will be nearly impossible for you to NOT eat more then you need, just as impossible as it is for a alcoholic to just have one drink or for a junkie to go cold turky by their own choice. While it is certainly true that any obese person will lose weight if they are forced to go on a starvation diet it is also true that without the force an obese person will NOT go on a starvation diet. Obesity is genetic. It isn't because we eat large meals or junk food or "the American diet". It is genetic.

Rex

Ignatz,

Yes, that's exactly what can happen, as Gary Taubes documents in his books, Good Calories, Bad Calories and Why We Get Fat and What To Do About It. Some folks (some estimates as high as 75,000,000 people in the U.S.) can eat 800-1400 calories a day in carbs and still get fat, even with moderate exercise. Eat that same 1400 calories in proteins and fats, and they will remain slim.

Exercise helps because it makes your cells more receptive to insulin, not because it burns off bunches of calories. Just look at the caloric benefit of different exercises and tell me with a straight face that it can make a difference based on burning calories alone.

And this doesn't violate any laws of physics; this is biology, not physics.

Ignatz

Guess they have better genes in Ethiopia.

JJ

"umpty-bumpth time"

My word for the year! Kind of a combination of umpty like humpty, umpty like humph as disgusted, and uuuf like a fat man walking up stairs. The "bumpth" is like bumping an old topic up again for the millionth time or too many slices of pizza and good belch...

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Sort of off-topic but not really... Has anyone heard recently from a sometime-back JOM poster named Larry? He had some serious health issues (started posting while recovering from a heart attack) and I was wondering if he was ok. I think he might have been a Facebook friend with some JOMers, too.

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