Some Zimmerman Maneuvering

Both sides have motions to seal some of the evidence (State, defense).

The Orlando Sentinel includes this amusing detail about the state's motion:

Also mentioned are "tests" performed by police on Zimmerman that de la Rionda argues may not be admissible...

From the filing, we are very probably reading about the voice stress test Zimmerman allegedly took and passed. It almost looks as if the prosecutor is worried about his ability to secure an unfair trial.

And new video of Zimmerman visiting the Sanford Police Dept. three days after the shooting shows him still bandaged on the back of his head. The usual noisemakers will insist that this simply shows Zimmerman acting on shrewd legal advice and that, lacking video of whatever was under the bandage, it tells us nothing other than Zimmerman is very crafty. Can't rebut that.

GUESS HIS WEIGHT: From that video and knowing his height to be around 5' 8", Zimmerman must be the lightest 200 pounder ever.

Comments

[matt]

Obama seems to be off the meds this morning, blaming the Republicans for the wild ass spending of the past 4 years. What next? A war on women?

[Melinda Romanoff]

matt-

That's pure Axelrod projection. It's how Illinois politicians run a normal campaign.

It's not even dialed up yet.

[Jack is Back]

We are more concerned with Beryl's maneuvering since it is going to rain out the Memorial Day weekend. 2nd TS to form just off the coast this year. Sort of weird in a way that they are forming close by instead down in the southeast Atlantic.

GZ complained about corruption in Sanford PD after the homeless black guy was beaten by son of a SPD police officer.

[MarkO]

Obama soon will run on the fact that he's white. A "White Kenyan."

[narciso]

Beryl, but we already had Bud?

[jwest]

OT - After reading the extensive posts from Aaron Walker and Patterico, it is clear that this Kimberlin business is as serious as a heart attack. This could happen to anyone and needs to be stopped.

[centralcal]

Totally agree, jwest.

[Jane]

If you are on twitter you can help get the word out: #BrettKimberlin

[Ignatz]

Haven't seen Old Lurker in some time.
Wonder what he's up to.

[Jane]

Happy Birthday Windy Daze!

[myiq2xu]

The voice stress analyzer and polygraph are not lie detectors. They are interrogation devices.

Their effectiveness depends on convincing the subjects being interrogated that they work.

[Jim Ryan]

Idiocy: Barack Obama is the most fiscally responsible president in American history.

I like CH's "banality of idiocy." I think idiocy is becoming more and more accepted as normal intelligence, just by idiotic things being said over and over again with a straight face by people in power. The fate of the nation rests in the hands of muddle who will have to decide whether the voice coming from deep inside saying "Lookout, you're becoming an idiot" is worth listening to or may be ignored in a stupor.

[Melinda Romanoff]

Ig-

Call lobbed.

[jimmyk]

The "video" link in TM's post doesn't go anywhere, but there is this:

http://baynews9.com/content/news/baynews9/news/article.html/content/news/articles/cfn/2012/5/25/zimmerman_new_video_.html

[Jack is Back]

narciso,

Bud is Pacific not Atlantic. Each Ocean gets their own set of names. Won't affect you down south mostly just us up North Floridians and possibly the Orlando and Ocala area.

[Jack is Back]

Or you can go to CF13 and see his head shot as he turns on the stairs

[Sue]

I wanted to mention what was happening to Patterico, et al, yesterday, but I didn't want to bring attention to Tom's blog unless Tom brought it up. This guy, and his followers, are seriously deranged. I don't think people should enter into this fray lightly. I know we need to fight it, but I think we should stay quiet, on JOM, until Tom decides he is ready for the potential nightmare.

[DebinNC]

Wise advice, Sue. And please let's not respond to any malicious troll who brings it up.

[matt]

Princess Fauxcahontas speak with forked tongue. LUN

[DebinNC]

The administrator responsible for Harvard Law School’s faculty diversity statistics from 1996 to 2004, the period in question, was Alan Ray, a citizen of the Cherokee Nation who, like Warren, has fair skin, blue eyes, and Oklahoma roots.

But Ray, now president of Elmhurst College in Illinois, said in a statement that he “did not encourage the Law School to list any faculty member as one particular race or ethnicity, including Professor Warren.’’ He further said through a spokeswoman that he “never encouraged any faculty member to list himself or herself in a particular way.’’ Ray added that Harvard “always accepted whatever identification a faculty member wanted to provide,’’ a characterization another highly placed former Harvard administrator backed up.

I think Ray's tongue is forked too.

[matt]

This is just one more aspect of the debt time bomb that is ticking. Catalonia is one of Spain's richest regions with a very strong autonomy movement.

Now the government is finding itself hitting a hard wall on its ability to finance deficits and has delayed paying vendors such as trash collectors etc for months if not years.

In addition, Catalonia issued "patriot" bonds to the regions residents, who hold 25% of its debt. So they owe the money to their own people, who may or may not get paid. This is the fallacy of the entire Euro bailout.

Once investors within Europe lose hope in the various bonds being repaid at even close to face value, the entire facade collapses.

QE and buying in Greek, Portuguese, or Spanish or Italian debt is worthless if the underlying value of the bonds purchased by the ECB is in doubt.

[bunkerbuster]

Facts are facts: Federal spending's grown much slower under Obama than it did under Bush. Plus, Obama's cut the taxes of ALL working people, while Bush cuts offered virtually no relief to the roughly 40 percent of workers at the low-wage end who only pay payroll taxes.
Romney wants to go straight back to Bushonomics, ie higher spending and shifting tax cuts away from low-wage earners toward the wealthy. Will be interesting to see how he tries to sell that as a solution to our deficit woes...

[Clarice]

I've been worried about OL, too. I hope he's just busy with his new house on Cape Cod.
Unemployment in DC is now over 51% and one of the worst performing elementary schools is announcing a Trayvon Martin day with free skittles and iced tea to participants. My blood boils to watch ho the media lies and SP's mendacity spreads.

[Soylent Red]

Happy Travon Martin Day, JOMers! Yay for drug-addled wannabe grin-n-tat thugs!

Have one on me folks...

[Ignatz]

Let us pray together that Barry follows buub's advice and runs on his sterling economic record.

[Some guy]

shows Zimmerman acting on shrewd legal advice

From whom exactly?

I doubt that those two ambulance camera chasers who pretended to be his attorneys, yet never met Zimmerman, have ever dispensed shrew advice to anyone.

[GMAX]

John Strossel on the miracle of the private sector, this a righteous rant that 2/3 of the country at least will agree with:

You can go to a foreign country and hand that piece of plastic to a total stranger that does not even speak your language and he will rent you a car for a week. When you get home Visa or MasterCard will have the accounting correct to the penny. Government cannot even count votes accurately.”

[Ranger]

Bubu,

That "fact" you think you have, isn't actually a "fact."

The fact is that a Democrat congress passed the 2009 budget, and Obama signed it into law. Kind of hard to blame that on Bush, isn't it?

When you include the 2009 budget in Obama's numbers, as the facts indicate you should, Obama's presided over a nearly 25% increase in federal spending since he took office.

You might want to read through this:

How to make Obama’s spending look small

Bottom line:

Bush's 2009 budget proposal was $3.107 Trillion.

Obama's 2013 budget proposal was 3.8 Trillion.

So, if your keeping score at home, that's about $700 Billion more Obama wanted to spend. that's roughly a 22% increase Obama has tried to achieve.

[Some guy]

bold?

gone?

[NK]

Ig@11:53-- yes let's all hope and pray that those pasty skinned Obama '12 staffers in the Chi Town bunker that Halperin wrote about are in the same echo chamber as BuBu. If the Once runs as a fiscal conservative against big spending Mitt? It will be a landslide with 'Bam getting <46% and fewer than 200 EVs.

[Rob Crawford]

Nope

[jimmyk]

boldiacto!

[NK]

Thank you JimmyK

[jimmyk]

You have to say the magic words...

[Rob Crawford]

Bubu,

That "fact" you think you have, isn't actually a "fact."

You may want to save this as a macro or template. It's a regularly occurring phenomena, and why it's better to just ignore the identity leftist child.

[Some guy]

Facts are facts:

Except when they're spun into steaming piles of hopeychangery. Then only stupid people believe them, and only desperately stupid people are foolish enough to quote them.

[NK]

Speaking of facts-- the Mullahs' 30 year march to the Shia Bomb continues. even Bloomberg News has to admit that now: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-25/iran-doubles-enriched-uranium-stockpile-goes-beyond-20-.html

[Danube of Thought]

while Bush cuts offered virtually no relief to the roughly 40 percent of workers at the low-wage end who only pay payroll taxes

Taxes under Clinton, followed by (under Bush):

Single making $30K--tax = $8,400 ($4,500)
Single making $50K--tax = $14,000 ($12,500)
Single making $75K--tax = $23,250 ($18,750)
Married making $60K--tax = $16,800 ($9,000)
Married making $75K--tax = $21,000 ($18,750)
Married making $125K--tax = $38,750 ($31,250)

Source: Snopes.com

[Ignatius J Donnelly]

What are there, two comments that even remotely relate to the subject of the thread?

[GMAX]

Fact of the matter is that it does not matter a whit what Romney wants, cuz when we get control of 51 or more Senate seats, the spending is gonna stop. Or there will be blood in the streets...

[DrJ]

DoT,

I recall when the "Bush" tax cuts were up for renewal, there was a quick article in the NY Times saying that the poor and middle class were going to be hit particularly hard. No mention of the rich (or women and minorities).

It was the only story like this they ran. The tide turned, and there was not another word about it.

[Danube of Thought]

Facts are facts: Federal spending's grown much slower under Obama than it did under Bush.

Fact: federal debt has grown more in three years under Obama than in eight years under Bush.

Fact: Obama as Senator voted for the FY 2009 spending that he now attributes to Bush.

[GMAX]

How desperate is Zero? Democrats shed him in droves on picking on capitalism as a foil so he thought it would be a great idea to claim to be a conservative spender? Who ya gonna believe, a lying incompetent or your own eyes?

[Jim Ryan]

The extra trillion (TARP) packed into Bush's last budget was a loan that got paid back, unless I'm mistaken. We covered that here about a year ago. If this is so, then we can put the Bush year deficits squarely in the "about $300B-400B" category.

Did the payback serve as revenue to the federal government during the Obama administration? If so, then that revenue it hides a trillion more of Obama overspending.

[Danube of Thought]

The buubmeister is avoiding the topic of this thread as Dracula avoids the crucifix.

[Rob Crawford]

Fact: Obama as Senator voted for the FY 2009 spending that he now attributes to Bush.

To be fair, Obama voted "present".

[Jim Ryan]

Can you financial wizards correct me if I'm wrong about that, please? Thanks in advance.

[NK]

DoT-- that's a very important chart you post. The 2003 tax cuts were well planned and executed-- both on the income tax side and the business investment side. What to do now? Bust the whole IRCode out. keep the 15% for low income workers; middle income (<$150K household) and corps pay 20%; and high income pay 25% -- all flat rates, no personal exemptions or credits (maybe 1st mortgages). That will bring in 18%-20% GDP in Fed revenue, but with low marginal rates, everyone will look to make the NEXT dollar and pay the fair tax. Economic growth will take off. Tax lawyers and lobbyists will have to get an honest job, but that's OK with me.

[Clarice]

For those of you wondering about OL, he's been busy in Nantucket on his new home, says he misses you all and will come back as soon as he can..And his daughter who had many options to choose from will be going to medical school at Columbia.

[DrJ]

I agree NK. I'd love to see the mortgage deduction go too, but that's not possible.

[Danube of Thought]

Obama could have changed the tax rates to anything he wanted in 2009-10. He chose to leave them unchanged.

[Danube of Thought]

Lately I've been thinking that if I were O'Mara I would waive a jury before the immunity hearing. That way Lester knows that he, and he alone, will decide the issues.

[narciso]

Since this seems to be the more active thread;

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/readymeet-soros-funded-domestic-terrorist-brett-kimberlin-whose-job-is-terrorizing-bloggers-into-silence/

[ADHD]

http://www.landsend.com/?cm_mmc=usnews-_-usnews_052512_mns-_-feature-_-feat_homepage&emid=usnews_052512_mns&RRID=12292047160&=&applyPromo=0

There's a sale at Land's End.

[Clarice]

I would, too, DoT. And if I were Lester I'd write a long, detailed finding of fact section that would leave no room for the media to lie about why the grant of immunity was made.

[ADHD]

I HEART Chipotle

[ADHD]

Nickleback RAWKS!

[Threadkiller]

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/05/busted-obama-headlined-a-democrat-socialist-of-america-event-in-1996-flier/

Bill O'reilly will not believe it.

[NK]

JimR-- there is a link below from TARP outining past FY and FY 2013 TARP expenditures. Bottom/Bottom Line TARP helps 'Bam's budget excesses look better than they were. In FY 2010 alot of TARP bank money was repaid-- In fact the taxpayers made a profit on Big Bank TARP-- the only Big Financial Institution losers for taxpayers were CIT and probably AIG. Overall? the taxpayers made a profit on TARP payments to banks and that was realized in FY 2010 and 2011,so 'Bam is taking credit for repayments on TARP payments Bush made to banks. BUT there were TARP losses. Those were the bailout of GM's UAW members and the mortgage write down nonsense. Those were ALL 'Bam's and they were losers for the taxpayers, 'Bam is stuck with those FY2010 and 2011 losses-- but that's fair, he paid off Dem tribes with that taxpayer money. If TARP stopped with Bush's payments to Banks and other financial institutions-- the taxpayers would have had a net gain from TARP. Instead 'Bam and Timmie Geithner treated TARP as a political slush fund, and the taxpayers lost. http://www.treasury.gov/about/budget-performance/Documents/5%20-%20FY%202013%20SIGTARP%20CJ.pdf

[narciso]

These weren't the droids, you're supposed to be looking for;

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/we-finally-have-a-document-from-obamas-college-years-sort-of/

[Rob Crawford]

I'd write a long, detailed finding of fact section that would leave no room for the media to lie about why the grant of immunity was made.

You underestimate their willingness and desire to lie about this case.

[NK]

DoT@12:40-- it's hard to say what tactics O'Mara should follow without knowing how Judge Lester rules on crim matters and what the jury pool is like. But logically, it makes no sense to waive jury trial BEFORE Judge Lester decides immunity. if Judge Lester grants immunity, case over. If he denies immunity, and draws factual inferences that are hostile to GZ why on earth would you want want Judge Lester to be the sole trier of fact at trial? My guess is that O'Mara will give Lester an 'audition' of sorts as trier of fact at the Immunity Hearing and then evaluate how Lester handles those issues, in deciding whether he wants a Bench or jury trial.

[GMAX]

I think Jan Schakowsky is a member today of the Democratic Socialist. Bernie Saunders is not the only socialist in the Congress, there may be as many as about 40 of them including some members of the Black Caucus.

[peter]

You know, Soylent, when I went to U.Va., decades ago, there was no craft beer brewery, but my roommate was a chem major and he would brew up some pretty good stuff. Never thought that there would be a beer called JOM0 though.

[Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet]

Great point by NK at 1:00. Even if O'Mara knows Lester's tendencies, a trial run with no downside sure makes sense to me.

[Ignatz]

Thanks for the OL update Clarice.

[ADHD]

I think you all should Google about and do battle with these Libtards.

Thank you NK for the interesting, informative and on topic post.

[daddy]

G'morning.

Happy Trayvon Martin Day!!!

[Charlie (Colorado)]

The guy at Political Math has a lovely infographic laying out the utter and completely epic FAIL of the Rex Nutter/Obama Campaign pose that Obama has not spent lots.

Short version: it requires claiming the FY 2009 budget with stimulus, written and passed by the Democrat Congress and signed by Obama in March 2009, was Bush's spending.

While, of course, claiming the stimulus and 2009 budget was Obama's plan that saved the known world.

[Clarice]

NK, I would venture that the bar is small in Sanford Fla and OMara knows the kind of judge Lester is. If he's honorable the election of a bench trial at or before the immunity hearing is a good trial tactic. If Lester isthe least bit political and thinks O'Mara is aiming for a jury trial he would be more inclined, rather than less to punt otherwise.

[jimmyk]

"But logically, it makes no sense to waive jury trial BEFORE Judge Lester decides immunity."

I've argued several times here that if they fear Lester may hand it off to a jury just to avoid the heat, waiving a jury trial removes that temptation and might raise the odds he gives immunity.

[ADHD]

Obama joined the New Party because he could be somebody there. He was a bit of a carpetbagger with no real past or connections in Chicago. Probably figured it would take too long to work his way up in the machine.

[Danube of Thought]

"it makes no sense to waive jury trial BEFORE Judge Lester decides immunity"

The idea would be that Lester would know that he couldn't punt the decision to a jury.

Obviously the decision whether to do so must be informed by local knowledge of Lester and the jury pool, about which I know nothing.

[Clarice]

Rob, I don't underestimate the media's propensity to lie. But they are lazy..They've been regurgitating Martin and Corey's fairytales because they were essentially free handouts and because it took the other side too much explaining to refute especially without equal access.

[ADHD]

Clarice,
Remember the McMartin Day care case?
How many defenders did THEY have at first?
Same thing........sort of. LOL

[Danube of Thought]

"a trial run with no downside sure makes sense to me."

As I understand the law, there is indeed a downside. If he is denied immunity but is acquitted at trial, he can still be sued civilly and held liable under a preponderance standard. See, e.g., O.J. Simpson.

[ADHD]

Nobody wanted to defend the Bogey Man Zimmie or the accused molesters, McMartins

[daddy]

“We feel sympathetic for Bill Clinton and I hope this doesn’t hurt his re-election or whatever he’s trying to run for,” said one of the Pron Stars.

“He kind of was looking over at us every once and a while. And we’re huge, psycho fans of Bill. We just think he’s really cute,” porn star Brooklyn Lee said. “So we end up wandering by. And we were going to approach him to take a picture and his Secret Service sort of brushed us away. And as we were walking away, Bill actually had the Secret Service guy call us back, to come hang out.”

Calling Clinton “really, really sweet,” Lee said, “I told him I loved him, that he was a great president and he just kind of winked and smiled and gave us hugs and stuff.”

"Tasha Reign, the porn star on Clinton’s other arm, added that he did not inquire about their professions."

And who can explain the Secret Service Agents not hitting on the babettes's foggy bottoms? Send him back to Foggy Bottom for retraining.

[Ignatz]

--The guy at Political Math has a lovely infographic laying out the utter and completely epic FAIL of the Rex Nutter/Obama Campaign pose that Obama has not spent lots.--

I posted that yesterday and I think somebody else did as well, Charlie, but it's well worth repeating every day that crazy meme stays out there.

[Jim Ryan]

Traditionally, on Trayvon Martin Day, we get stoned and then commit aggravated assault. Other families just serve Skittles and observe a moment of stupor.

The Banality of Idiocy.

[Ignatz]

--"Tasha Reign, the porn star on Clinton’s other arm, added that he did not inquire about their professions."--

I'm sure BillyJeff has sampled more than enough candy to know a PayDay when he sees one....or three.

[GMAX]

apparently the price was more than $35 so the Secret Service passed?

[NK]

The local trial lawyers know their judges best, so obviously we are all spectators watching O'Mara's judgments based on that local knowledge. tactically though, I do think O'Mara wants a preview of the State's evidence and witnesses at the Immunity Hearing which will come in the form of the State's opposition to GZ's motion, and observe any weaknesses in his own client's self-defense testimony at that hearing and go from there. Doing that is not a freeby because GZ will have to testify, but the State already has inconsistent statements from him, so it's a reasonable risk to expose him to cross again. certainly O'mara did that at Bond hearing-- although a much narrower issue there.

[Rob Crawford]

From daddy's link:

Coleman said that every adult who attended the seminar would receive an Arizona Iced Tea and each student would get a bag of Skittles.

I guess they're expected to provide their own Robitussin.

[scott]

2 headlines on Drudge:

"DRUNK CANADIAN RUSHES COCKPIT, IS SUBDUED BY PASSENGERS, REMOVED FROM PLANE..."

"Plane door lands on 16th fairway of upscale golf course..."

Too bad they weren't related

[Strawman Cometh]

As a public service for those with a low threshold for nausea and otherwise disinclined to click through, I note the name of the institution celebrating Trayvon Martin day: "Malcolm X Elementary School".

[MarkO]

There is no court proceeding without a downside.

[MarkO]

I think the most politically safe of all paths is that Judge Lester denies immunity and it is reversed on an appeal before trial.

[cboldt]

An early jury trial waiver can be later withdrawn. Zimmerman can waive jury trial, and if he doesn't like Lester's handling of the immunity motion, simply withdraw the waiver.

It's an interesting possibility though, the waiver in the first place. It also removes the primary rationale used by the state and by O'Mara to not make the evidence public, pre-trial - tainting of the jury pool.

[Ignatz]

Barry calls Romney speech "a cow pie of distortion."

What a weirdo. Who talks like that?

[Strawman Cometh]

Henry,
Have you seen this War on Women, indeed. Parody is lost.

[MarkO]

"Who talks like that?" A fool, standing near a field in Iowa. He thinks that how farm people talk.

[Danube of Thought]

Reminds me of Kerry: "Can I get me a huntin' license here?"

[matt]

Debbie Wasserman Schultz is in Obama's dog house according to Drudge. He has a way with words.

[henry]

Strawman, somehow that was not covered on the news... it is completely consistent with every campaign move by Barrett landing his big foot on his own anatomy (I don't think SCAM ships exploding cigars to WI, but Clarice may want to consider it).

[Sue]

Ig,

I was born and raised on a dairy. I've heard of cow paddy but never cow pie. I looked it up and apparently I'm out of the loop. It still sounded stupid.

[jimmyk]

I note the name of the institution celebrating Trayvon Martin day: "Malcolm X Elementary School".

Drat, I had my money on "Angela Davis."

[Sue]

I think it is spelled cow "patty". I made my cow Irish, I guess.

[Porchlight]

I cannot believe people are having to set the record straight about Obama being a big spender.

Don't the people who support him LIKE that he is a big spender? Don't they want him to spend more?

It is truly through the looking glass.

[NK]

MarkO@209-- procedurely the case could play out many ways and it's impossible to know which it will go, but it won't play out that way.

cboldt@2:12-- it may be an 'interesting possibility' but boy, waiving jury trial and then withdrawing the waiver if you don't like the Immunity ruling? that could really piss off even a fair minded judge. Granted I'm risk averse, but I wouldn't do that to Lester, too risky. Again, local knowledge will drive he defense's procedural tactics and timing.