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matt

Nothing at all about dead Mexicans. How convenient.

Frau Steingehirn

The Gray Slut will never bend her arc towards the truth.
Pfui!

NK

More and more this looks like Issa wants docs to corroborate his whistleblower witnesses to the coverup.

dublindave

More and more this looks like Issa wants docs to corroborate his whistleblower witnesses to the coverup.


ROFLMAO!!!!

Bruce

Love the attempt of moral equivalency. Bush did it too, just not quite as much or quite as badly. But, it was his idea, or that of his Administration, so, apparently, he is the one who should be held accountable.

Jack is Back

matt,

Nor Brian Terry. What's a dead American border patrol agent to the NY Times anyway? Especially, one that was killed by the weapons they let walk.

Of all the stories out there worthy of full, unabridged investigative reporting, the Terry case is the "brass ring" but no one wants to cover it. I believe the media have done some investigation and discovered that reporting what they know will significantly damage the WH as much as the ATF and DoJ and have decided to spike it.

There really can be no other reason why this is not a national front page, evening news lead then the effect it has on their "man".

NK

DD-- have another drink, that'll settle down the DTs.

This is an honest summary of Holder 'Bam's 'story': Bush's DOJ tried a kind of stupid gun walking plan to trace guns to Mexican gangs, and stopped it when they lost track of several guns; We come in, and completely unbeknownst to us some low level local federal officials start a REALLY REALLY REALLY stupid gun walking plan, ship 2000 guns to Mexican gangs, and when we find out, we stop it. Brian who?
If anyone believes that story, they are as drunk as DD.

Jack is Back

OT: How about a little "blue on blue" for a laugher.

The problem is this is a serious question Jared Polis (D-CO) is posing to the head of the DEA, who only shows again the jugheadedness of this regime. And it takes a Democratic congressman to point it out to the rest of the country.

How the hell can you head the DEA and not know if meth or herion is more dangerous than marijuana? Where do they find these people?

dublindave

DD-- have another drink, that'll settle down the DTs.


You're right,brother,I shouldn't laugh.People died and the Obama administration may have intentionally tried to cover up the details, which subsequently could implicate them in a criminal conspiracy.

It may transpire that Obama and Holder intentionally allowed these guns to walk for the sole purpose of creating a string of murders which they could then use to justify tighter gun restrictions.


It's either that or the Obama administration just walked you into a trap.


NK

CaptH-- thanks for that link. Cheryl Atkinsson comes through. It turns out that CBS news and Issa has had the goods proving that Holder's/Bam's ATF walked the guns to Mexican gangs to create crime and justify more gun laws. So Holder's testimony that no such plan existed is at worst outright perjury or at best false and misleading. So Cheryl Atkisson now explains all, Issa knew ATF's plan, he knew Holder gave false testimony, and Issa was using the subpeonaed Docs to prove it, so 'Bam had to decide whether to throw Holder under the bus just as the election was coming. So 'Bam invoked Exec Priv to buy time. It's as bad as we thought.... Holder really is lying scum.

bgates

NYT says 2000 guns lost under Obama, and "fewer" under Bush. How many is "fewer"? I found stories that say 450 guns went into Mexico during Wide Receiver, and "the vast majority of the guns were eventually lost". What's "vast"? What's "eventually"? No idea.

narciso

Robert McCain has called this species of Duke and Dukester, the FrumDreher, ironically his
'roman a clef' has an American quagmire in Mexico, analogous to Iraq.

Jane

YAY FRAU! Did you ever figure out how you got shut out?

NK

CaptH-- thanks for that Frum link. Hysterical-- Frum the Canadian voice of reason hoisted by the petard that CBS News and Issa has know all along that ATF was using F&F for new gun laws. Now-- as Michael Corleone said "who gave the order" to ATF. Holder? Jar Jar? Bam?

Ignatz

--NYT says 2000 guns lost under Obama, and "fewer" under Bush.--

My understanding, and it may be incomplete, is that these two programs were different in kind not just degree.
Under Bush there was no intention of allowing the guns to cross the border where they obviously would be lost. When some inadvertently made it across the program was shut down.
Under Barry, DOJ intentionally allowed thousands of guns across knowing they had no mechanism in place to track or later intercept them. It was only shut down when it became impossible to ignore Brian Terry's death; the hundreds of dead Mexicans apparently being of no concern at all to our first Hispanic President.

BB Key

Anybody here having trouble connecting to Twitter ?

NK

Since December 2011, 7 months ago, CBS new has been publishing stories that disproved Holder's testimony. 7 month ago, and 'Bam invokes EP now. I know Issa held back the contempt votes to make the biggest splash just as the elections start, but how has Holder remained AG for 7 months after CBS News published a story showing that he's a liar. How does david frum say idiotic things, seven months after Holder's story was blown. Unfortunately, by blacking out the story, the Legacy Media kept it a nonstory. They still have way too much influence. sad but true.

Jack is Back

CH,

Thanks for pointing out that the Slimes story mentioned Terry. I missed that when reading. At least they acknowledge the Terry killing and I wonder if this is the first time for them?

matt

actually, the number of guns is 2,700 in total. 2,000 somehow sounds better to the reporters. Since DOJ has virtually embargoed all information on the case it is hard to come up with the exact numbers.

2,700 is approximately the light weaponry of 2 Army or Marine regiments plus a battalion. That is a lot of firepower in addition to anything the cartels have purchased from the Venezuelans, Nicaraguans, or other narco enabling states.

The narcos also seem to have good access to grenades and even M-16 style firearms right out of the Mexican Army armories. Since the local police typically do not carry AK style weapons, they are seriously outgunned.

The majority seem to be AK-47 type, as this is the lowest cost, most widely available, and most popular gangster firearm globally. This is the firearm used to killed Terry from my reading.

It would to me be advisable to track some of the firearms used in the massacres occurring in Mexico. I faintly remember that US gun manufacturers used to test fire their product and retain a sample, which was available to the FBI forensics lab if necessary. It's been a very long time, so it may or may not be true.

Porchlight

Hi Frau! Glad you made it back in.

windansea

NYT says 2000 guns lost under Obama, and "fewer" under Bush. How many is "fewer"? I found stories that say 450 guns went into Mexico during Wide Receiver, and "the vast majority of the guns were eventually lost". What's "vast"? What's "eventually"? No idea.

Posted by: bgates | June 21, 2012 at 12:22 PM

The biggest difference I can see between Wide Receiver and F&F is that in wide receiver they actually tried to track the weapons sold.

Wide Receiver sought to track and interdict guns being smuggled south using a combination of RFID-tracking devices embedded in the shipments and overheard surveillance aircraft. Wide Receiver failed because of the limitations of the technology used, compounded by the ineptness of its installation and the unexpected resourcefulness of the cartel’s gun smugglers.

As a result of the mistakes made in Wide Receiver, guns were lost: approximately 450 made it into Mexico. As a result, the botched operation launched in 2006 — and in this instance, actually botched — was shut down in 2007.

Fast and Furious used neither tracking devices nor aircraft, ran interference for smugglers with local law enforcement on multiple occasions, and federal agents were not allowed to interdict weapons.

Wide Receiver shut down within a year after 450 weapons went missing in a botched law enforcement operation. Fast and Furious purposefully ran at least 2,020 weapons to the Sinaloa cartel without any intention of arresting the straw purchasers and smugglers. Other operations in other states — CBS News’ Attkisson cites allegations of “at least 10 cities in five states” — allow the possibility that (if the other operations were as prolific as Fast and Furious) Holder’s Department of Justice may have intentionally sent more than 12,000 guns into criminal hands in the U.S and Mexico, enough to arm three U.S. Army brigades.

Law enforcement operations sometimes go horribly wrong, and every indication is that Operation Wide Receiver executed by the ATF during the Bush administration while Alberto Gonzales was the attorney general was a “keystone cops” operation of the first magnitude. It was a horrible failure.

But Fast and Furious was no accident

http://pjmedia.com/blog/gunwalker-gunning-down-the-bush-did-it-too-lie/

What else can you conclude? F&F was Obamas's "under the radar" attempt for stricter gun controls.

Extraneus

That Sharyl Attkisson story linked by Weasel Zippers was from 2011.

Porchlight

I suppose it was just a mere coincidence that there was a flood of stories in the media etc. in early 2009 talking about gun violence across the border using weapons from US gun shops. And that Hillary highlighted it.

Stories like this one: http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/03/25/us-usa-mexico-idUSTRE52O5RF20090325

and press releases like this one: http://www.vpc.org/press/0903diaz.htm

and Brady Center publications like this one: http://www.bradycenter.org/xshare/pdf/reports/mexico-us-violence-background.pdf

and WH legislative initiatives like this one: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/apr/17/obama-blames-us-guns-in-mexico/

No coordination there. I'm certain of it.

NK

windansea-- again thanks for that link and summary. The CBS News report from last December (did Atkisson win an award for that?) quotes the gun dealers who provided guns and then were the subject of ATF demand letters, they knew what was going on and emails they had proved it. Issa has known all along, I'm sure he has whistleblowers whose testimony will be corroborated by the subpoenaed Docs. The only question left is who gave the F&F order to ATF-- Holder?, 'Bam?, Jar Jar? My guess is Holder-- he is the DC establishment Dem in the group, and this is an old time DC Dem establishment issue.

matt

The LA Times did a great interview with one of the store owners involved. ATF installed cameras and microphones in his store, and he would check with his contact at ATF on every sale. He expressed his serious misgivings numerous times but was told to sell the firearms regardless.

Later, he found that the cameras and microphones had never been turned on, and his contacts at ATF, a pair of agents, who confronted their supervisor on this fact, were suspended.

There are good reasons this case stinks to high heaven. It was not incompetence. It was not even malfeasance. It was willful and it got a lot of innocent people killed.

Extraneus
On March 30[, 2011], the 30th anniversary of the assassination attempt on President Ronald Reagan, Jim Brady, who sustained a debilitating head wound in the attack, and his wife, Sarah, came to Capitol Hill to push for a ban on the controversial “large magazines.” Brady, for whom the law requiring background checks on handgun purchasers is named, then met with White House press secretary Jay Carney. During the meeting, President Obama dropped in and, according to Sarah Brady, brought up the issue of gun control, “to fill us in that it was very much on his agenda,” she said.

“I just want you to know that we are working on it,” Brady recalled the president telling them. “We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar.”

Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA

I read sometime in the past that another difference was that "WideReceiver" notified the Mexican authorities what was going on, while F'n'F did not.

Does anyone know if this factoid is true or not?

NK

Ex- yes-- the fact that Holder lied has been out in the open since December 2011. The amazing part is that EP is invoked by 'Bam 7 months LATER. It shows how cynical the EP claim is; EP just tries to buy time before Holder is proven to be a perjurer by the DoJ's own docs. It's truly amazing.

derwill

In the Spring of 2009, Hillary, Obama, and Napolitano all gave major speeches about how 90% of the guns used in violent crimes in Mexico came from the US. Journolist ran stories and columns on how something must be done about this terrible thing. Obama assures Brady he is working under the radar for gun control. Then lo and behold, it turns out that those guns in question has been deliberately walked across the border by the ATF. Occam's razor. It was too coordinated effort, involving the Justice Department, the State Department, Homeland Security, the President himself, and his lap dog propagandists in the media, Journolist, not to have either originated in the White House in the first place, or at the very least had the Obama administration's blessing before it was implemented. It might have been Holder's idea, but I think it had to have had Obama's blessing. Unless Val Jar approves high level things like that on her own initiative, which is entirely possible. Obama doesn't seem to be very much involved in the day to day running of the country.

Richard Aubrey

The NYT didn't mention the hit piece Licthblau did on Issa, did they? The one whose allegations were painfully walked back one at a time?

Captain Hate

I'm sure he has whistleblowers whose testimony will be corroborated by the subpoenaed Docs.

Absolutely; there had to be at least 2 groups of people who were open to blowing this thing up: People who were against being part of something like that and people who knew and liked Brian Terry and Jaime Zapata (whose name wasn't mentioned until a couple days ago, making one wonder if there are even some move in-house victims) and were determined that their deaths wouldn't get covered up. In a large bureaucracy there are plenty of ways to get incriminating docs. There may even be some honest libs in the mix.

Captain Hate

move == more

narciso

I noted in last night's thread, that many of the details that Berger had tried to 'personally incorporate' were in the NSA Archive, some of which were released the other days.

Neo

Documents obtained by CBS News show that the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) discussed using their covert operation "Fast and Furious" to argue for controversial new rules about gun sales.

In Fast and Furious, ATF secretly encouraged gun dealers to sell to suspected traffickers for Mexican drug cartels to go after the "big fish." But ATF whistleblowers told CBS News and Congress it was a dangerous practice called "gunwalking," and it put thousands of weapons on the street. Many were used in violent crimes in Mexico. Two were found at the murder scene of a U.S. Border Patrol agent.

ATF officials didn't intend to publicly disclose their own role in letting Mexican cartels obtain the weapons, but emails show they discussed using the sales, including sales encouraged by ATF, to justify a new gun regulation called "Demand Letter 3". That would require some U.S. gun shops to report the sale of multiple rifles or "long guns." Demand Letter 3 was so named because it would be the third ATF program demanding gun dealers report tracing information.

NK

CaptH-- one more reason Whistleblowers are coming out-- the End of 'Bam. In 2009-2010, the ATF-DOJ people saw a long 'Bam future and a TOTAL DEM Congress-- where could they go? no way they'd blow the Whistle under those circumstances. In the last 6 months, they are waking up to the fact that 'Bam will lose and there will be a new AG, plus Issa has kept on F&F, and seems trustworthy not to burn Whistleblowers. The hearings and subpoenae were a perjury trap-- Holder has fallen straight in.

Extraneus

That NYT excerpt from TM is a masterpiece of biased reporting.

Every paragraph can be fisked, but this passage must be savored for its exquisite blend of snide and condescending side-taking and oblique acknowledgement that NYT readers have purposely been kept in the dark:

Mr. Issa’s inquiry has drawn extensive attention from conservative news outlets, including Fox News, and set off a drumbeat of enthusiasm among conservative bloggers and on social media over the prospect of bringing down Mr. Holder over it.
Whoever wrote that must be a Journolism professor.

I don't usually make it a habit to click NYT links, but here he is.

CHARLIE SAVAGE:


He received a Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting in 2007 for his coverage of presidential signing statements for the [Boston] Globe.

Captain Hate

narc, I figured that's what you were illustrating but there was so much redacted in them that it made reading them irritating.

Beasts of England

'...in the NSA Archive...'

Posted by: narciso | June 21, 2012 at 01:15 PM

National Archives, I believe. NSA has a few meanings. And the one I used to deal with has much better security, i.e., he'd be the former Sandy Berger.

Rick Ballard

NK,

I don't see any trap at all. Attorney General Holder committed perjury with his Sgt. Schultz memo. He attempted to weasel and worm his way out by revising and extending his lies. He failed.

Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA

"He received a Pulitzer Prize for National Reporting in 2007 for his coverage of presidential signing statements"
2007: Pres signing statements: bad
2012: Pres signing statements: good

Buford Gooch

Another difference between the Bush program and the Holder/Obama program was that Mexico signed off on the Bush program. F&F was done without bothering to even inform Mexico.

narciso

Well even in the 2003-04 report, there's a lot of congratulation, about the resources deployed, but little about the only resource
of AQ operational plans and personnel, namely
detainees like Zubeydah, KSM, Nashiri.

Charlie (Colorado)

ROFLMAO!!!!

Laugh now, monkey boy.

narciso

Ironic, how he is critical of methods that derived said information:


http://blogs.theprovince.com/2012/06/19/terry-mcdermott-the-problem-that-unmanned-drones-wont-solve/

Charlie (Colorado)

The problem is this is a serious question Jared Polis (D-CO) is posing to the head of the DEA, who only shows again the jugheadedness of this regime.

jared and I don't agree on much -- some things -- but he's smart and a good kid. He's also called me on a couple of occasions when I sent something to his office.

GMAX

Dont look now but Zero rings up a healthy 43% APPROVAL rating among ADULTS in the latest Gallup polling. That is 43% approve and 49% disapprove and its ADULTS not Registered Voters and certainly not Likely Voters.

Landslide coming, and Double Douche is waiting for a Supreme Court release on Friday. LOL

NK

RickB@1:28-- the original memo was a lie-- absolutely. Indeed, Issa knew that based on the reports he had from US gun dealers who provided the guns the ATF walked into Mexico. Issa then made Holder testify and forced Holder to try to weasel out of the originl memo, while subpoenaing the Docs that showed DOJ developing its coverup. Is that a 'trap'? not in the strict sense because at any time Holder could have admitted the facts (BTW nothing illegal about F&F, just really stupid). But it was pretty clear that Holder was going to try to stall and wait out Issa. In the end, to avoid disclosing the docs that prove Holder lied from the beginning, 'Bam had to invoke EP. Call it what you want, but Holder put himself on the hook to cover up something that wasn't criminal-- just stupid.

Jane

Does anyone know if this factoid is true or not?

My understanding is that Wide receiver was done in conjunction with the Mexican gvt. They were not made aware of F&F.

Porchlight

Dont look now but Zero rings up a healthy 43% APPROVAL rating among ADULTS in the latest Gallup polling.

Carter territory. IIRC Carter got down to 39% at one point in spring of '80, and O may never drop that far. But others who have lost (Ford, GHWB) were closer to 50% throughout the election year and still got the boot.

rse

CH-I was thinking about gore this morning after henry's link to maurice strong. What kind of a person uses strong AND armand hammer as advisors?

I want to know who will be attending the White Privilege conference for some JOM reporting.

If you click all the way through, there's a picture of a jigsaw puzzle. THe radicals sure do love pictures of either gears or jigsaws these days.

Like we are not going to notice that it all fits and how.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2012/06/university-of-colorado-hosts-14th-annual-white-privilege-conference.html

NK

Jane-- can somebody link to a DOJ official publicly confirming Wide Receiver was done on notice to the Mexican gov't? I know the House Committee Dems disputed that to some degree. Holder has always admitted F&F was never disclosed to the mexican Gov't-- that's one reason that 'Bam's EP clsim is ridiculous. There is no foreign relations issue, because Bam never communicated with a foreign power about F&F.

Neo

IRONY ALERT

Democrat African-American Jew-hater, Charles Barron is endorsed by white supremacist David Duke.

A marriage that only "hate" can bring together.

Captain Hate

What kind of a person uses strong AND armand hammer as advisors?

The same type of person who delivers maudlin family weepers that are so full of crap they draw swarms of flies at national conventions.

Speaking of conventions, doesn't the University of Minnesota have some "white privilege" gathering of the brainless going on too? Self hate we much!!

NK

rse/CaptH-- do you have an address where I can go to get some of that 'white privilege.' I never got that memo.

Captain Hate

Iowahawk is calling F&F Watergate with toe tags.

Buford Gooch

I know it's Wikipedia, but;

Another, smaller probe occurred in 2007 under the same ATF Phoenix field division. It began when the ATF identified Mexican suspects who bought weapons from a Phoenix gun shop over a span of several months. The probe ultimately involved over 200 guns, a dozen of which were lost in Mexico. On September 27, 2007, ATF agents saw the original suspects buying weapons at the same store and followed them toward the Mexican border. The ATF informed the Mexican government when the suspects successfully crossed the border, but Mexican law enforcement were unable to track them.[4][10

NK

I love Iowahawk-- uh-- but in a different way from how I love JOM!!

NK

BG-- yeah that Wiki page is probbaly based on the Dem Minority Committee Report; the Dems claim the ATF only notified the Mexicans AFTER the ATF lost track of guns in Wide Receiver. Is that true?

Porchlight

More Dems skipping DNC:

http://www.thedaily.com/page/2012/06/20/web-news-dems-distancing-from-obama/

Gee, those internal polls must be looking good.

Ranger

(BTW nothing illegal about F&F, just really stupid).

I'm not so sure about that.

By designing a plan that expressly called for enabling the trafficing of arms to a criminal organization across international borders, without informing the other government, they are committing a crime (unless they have a Finding to legally justify that activity).

And not informing the Mexican government was a key part of the broader plan. They wanted the Mexican government outraged and demanding action from the US to cut down on the flow of arms.

Buford Gooch

Better source

http://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/Article.cfm?customel_dataPageID_1502=41374

This is the second time in nearly seven months that the Department has gotten its facts wrong about gunwalking. Attorney General Holder accused Attorney General Mukasey, without producing any evidence, of having been briefed on gunwalking in Wide Receiver. The case Attorney General Mukasey was briefed on, Hernandez, is fundamentally different from both Wide Receiver and Fast and Furious since it involved cooperation with the Mexican government. Attorney General Holder’s retraction should have included an apology to the former Attorney General.

NK

Thanks BG-- Grassley seems to confirm that Wide Receiver did not involve PRIOR notice to the Mexican Gov't. That's not surprising, as the guns in Wide receiver were not supposed to make it into Mexico. Once ATF lost track of Wide Receiver guns, they did advise Mexican officials. "Bam NEVER advised the Mexicans, even after thousnds of F&F guns walked into Mexico.

Captain Hate

(BTW nothing illegal about F&F, just really stupid).

I'm not so sure about that.

I'm not either; what was the point of appointing a special prosecutor for Iran Contra?

Jane

can somebody link to a DOJ official publicly confirming Wide Receiver was done on notice to the Mexican gov't?

Look for ATF not DOJ. My understanding is it was a program with the AZ ATF and the Mexican govt. I assume the DOJ was given notice but you will have better luck searching under ATF.

matt

I just put together a lot of the facts, with citations. You decide how serious the case is> LUN

Ranger

Typad ate my comment, but, I was trying to say that Wide Receiver didn't require notifying the Mexican government because the plan was to interdict and recover the guns before then entered Mexico.

MoodyBlu

Maybe it's just me but anyone else like to pop Jay Carney to knock some of the smarm out of him? Which MFM outlet is going to hire his butt after November?

windansea

(BTW nothing illegal about F&F, just really stupid).

I'm not so sure about that.

By designing a plan that expressly called for enabling the trafficing of arms to a criminal organization across international borders, without informing the other government, they are committing a crime (unless they have a Finding to legally justify that activity).

And not informing the Mexican government was a key part of the broader plan. They wanted the Mexican government outraged and demanding action from the US to cut down on the flow of arms.not track th

Posted by: Ranger | June 21, 2012 at 02:30 PM

I was just about to say the same thing. The business plan for F&F seems to be "let's help the cartels buy and smuggle guns into Mexico, avoid tracking them and protect them from other US agencies, and not notify the Mexican authorities"

What is the purpose of such a plan?

NK

CaptH-- the reason I don't think F&F was 'criminal' is because the DOJ has responded to Issa's pre Feb 2011 Document subpoena. That response covers F&F operations and the DO's first-- FALSE response, and Issa hasn't referred any criminal charges for the gun walking itself. That could change, but, the fight right now is the post Feb, 2011 DOJ docs which relate to the cover up of Holder lying about F&F. The facts about what F&F was have been out there for all of us to see since the Dec 2011 CBS report; the only questions left are who ordered F&F in the first place, and why did Holder lie about it to Issa's committee.

hit and run

On This Date In 2008 (actually, yesterday) Obama debuted his Vero Possumus seal.

Met with widespread derision at the audacious display of arrogance, even from his own side of the aisle, the seal was hushed away three days later, never to be seen again.

narciso

The crime was aiding the Contras,or putting it another way, challenging the Sandinistas.

Stephanie

God bless Texas.

The State National Bank of Big Spring, Texas, today filed a lawsuit asking the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to hear its case challenging the constitutionality of provisions of the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act. The Competitive Enterprise Institute and the 60 Plus Association are also joining this community bank as plaintiffs in the same action, requesting the Court to invalidate the law because of the unprecedented, unchecked power it gives the government.


LUN

Captain Hate

The crime was aiding the Contras,or putting it another way, challenging the Sandinistas.

Yep

Extraneus

What is the purpose of such a plan?

Obama: We're Working on Gun Control 'Under the Radar'

Hundreds killed, untold tragedy, but give them credit: it was quite a cunning plan.

What else would they do to advance their agenda? What wouldn't they do?

NK

WS's videos of Carney's briefing are revealing. He's pushed just a wee bit by friendly reporters, and he breaks out into a flop sweat. If he got the full Watergate/Contra/Yellowcake media question treatment he'd have stroke, right there at the podium.

NK

Bryson resigns-- 2 weeks after the fact and the cops have nothing to say about drug/alchohol tests? If he was on Coke or Bath Salts, how do the cops in Calif usually proceed?

James D.

NK, I'd pay cash money to see that.

I'd feel sorry for him, for having to constantly come up with new dodges and distortions and lies to try and defend or at least explain the indefensible, but then I remember that he volunteered for this job, and happily took his 30 pieces of silver, and my sympathy disappears.

Extraneus

Nancy Pelosi: “This Holder contempt vote is about voter suppression”

“They’re going after Eric Holder because he is supporting measures to overturn these voter suppression initiatives in the states… This is no accident, it is no coincidence. It is a plan on the part of Republicans.”

Pelosi denied that Operation Fast and Furious is the real cause of the investigation and contempt charge. “These very same people who are holding him in contempt are part of a nationwide scheme to suppress the vote,” she said of her congressional colleagues. “It is connected. It’s clear as can be. It’s not only to monopolize his time, it’s to undermine his name.”

“These folks want a plutocracy where instead of the choice of the many the checks of the very very few determine the outcomes of elections,” she said.

Extraneus

Damn...

Comanche Voter

Well I'm sitting back here and getting ready to put some popcorn in the popper.
My liberal friends tell me that Issa is the worst partisan Republican hack in Congress. I don't happen to believe them, but I'll concede that Issa versus Holder is a case of schmuck on schmuck.

Since there were some whistleblowers in the DOJ, I suspect that Issa already has copies of some of the documents that he's subpenaed from Holder. The Bamster was foolish to claim Executive Privilege for Holder because neither The Bamster nor Holder can be sure of just what documents Issa has.

If they've made a mistake--and if Issa has something bad--he's going to be on them like white on rice.

NK

Nancy@3:34-- Nancy knows; she knows she'll never run the House again, that 'Bam is a loser, and that Holder will have to be pardoned. She's back to being Moonbat Nancy railing against Iraq ca. 2002-2005. This time there won't be an unpopular war to bail out Nancy and the dems, she fades away to Moonbat retirement. Sweet.

Rocco

Rove was saying Obama might want F&F in the headlines for a while as a distraction from the economy. I'm not so sure I agree. And if the media won't report it, maybe they'll have to if Romney makes it an issue. There's a whole lot of democrats who believe in the right to bear arms.

The New York Times once called Maurice Strong, "The Custodian of the Planet."

hit and run

Here's a 2008 anniversary I inadvertently let slip by...

On June 17, 2008 - Michelle Obama attended a fundraiser and $10K per plate dinner co-hosted by Calvin Klein and . . . Anna Wintour to support Barack's campaign.

It was the first of two fundraisers co-hosted by Wintour in the 2008 election - the second coupled the fundraiser with a fashion show on September 9 in New York City. That affair was co-hosted with . . . Sarah Jessica Parker.

LouP

Another difference between Operation Wide Receiver and Fast & Furious: The Obama Administration and the news media knew all about Wide Receiver; nobody knew nutin' about Fast & Furious.

Adjoran

Any "journalist" quoting law professors or lawyers on this case without getting them on the record about Hindraker's Powerline take-down of the Holder letter is committing malpractice. Any opinion which does not address the issues raised by Hindraker is irrelevant.

Donald

Exactly dd.

Not bad dude. You're kinda sorta in the ball park.

narciso

From some of the accounts, the RFID on the WR guns, were poorly installed, hence they lost tract of them, when the Mexican Govt tried to track them, they made no such allowances with
F&F.

Another Bob

Extraneus | June 21, 2012 at 03:36 PM:

Margin liquidations for the banks about to be downgraded?

Thomas Collins

Has anyone oserved Issa closely over the years? He seems unusually chipper these days to me, but I haven't followed him closely enough to be certain. Issa seems to me now to be like Lieutenant Columbo when he was verbally torturing the one he concluded (correctly) was the murderer before delivering the coup de grace question.

Another Bob

Extraneus | June 21, 2012 at 03:36 PM:

Margin liquidations from the banks about to be downgraded?

Charlie (Colorado)

Bryson resigns-- 2 weeks after the fact and the cops have nothing to say about drug/alchohol tests?

NK, this is one of those times when Occam's Razor might be the best choice. It's actually extremely common for a person Bryson's age to have their first occurrance of noticeable seizures because of an accident.

It's also not uncommon for the actual root cause to be a previously undetected brain tumor, stroke, or a transient ischemic attack. His resignation may be post-diagnosis.

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