Memeorandum


Powered by TypePad

« A Government of Campaigns And Not of Laws | Main | Who Is Misinformed Now? »

June 16, 2012

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d83451b2aa69e20176158ad118970c

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference “Take Care That The Laws Be Faithfully Executed” :

Comments

Tom  Maguire

Pre-correction - I quote the Constitution in the title but the Constitution doesn't *really* capitalize each word. Sorry if that creates any confusion, LB.

MarkO

Purfuit of happineff?

Extraneus

Good comment, TM, but he wasn't able to distinguish between an executive order and an Executive Order, so I'm sure he won't mind.

hit and run

I'm scouring the post now for typos and grammar errors.

I eagerly await you having to be held account for them.

Thomas Collins

I agree with Yoo. However, I don't think it is appropriate for a federal court to intervene. Impeachment in the House and removal from office in the Senate would be quite appropriate (although I realize this is not going to happen in this situation). Congress should at least use the power of the purse (for example, by cutting off funding to implement this policy). I think the House should cut off funding and let Harry Reid explain why he won't let the Senate vote on the House bill.

hit and run

"rulle"

GOTCHA!

MarkO

"rulle"

A hidden reference to the lawlessness of John Edwards?

bgates

I think the House should cut off funding

They should defund the nonenforcement?

sailor

Well, I am glad that John Yoo has spoken up. Am a little disappointed in Mitt's acting a "little cautious," shall we say.

AliceH

Funds would be required to staff and equip the administrators handing out those 800,000 "temporary" work permits and for managing the every-2-year extensions, so yeah- defunding that be in order.

AliceH

*would* be

Captain Hate

(NO, i have no idea why I am not Googling this, but I think the smell of breakfast is part of the explanation...)

It's Fathers Day weekend; you should be able to do things on your schedule. At least theoretically...

Captain Hate

Am a little disappointed in Mitt's acting a "little cautious," shall we say.

Meh, this is all distraction and trying to keep attention away from the rotten economy and the JEF's pathetic speech on it.

Thomas Collins

Sailor, I think Mittster leaving Rubio to respond is a smart move. It is tough for Axelmessplouffe to demagogue Rubio's criticism of Obama's action. I think Mittster has to respond, but I see no rush.

narciso

This is what you're looking for TM;


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_v._City_of_New_York

Also, the Congressional Budget and Impoundment Act of 1974.

Thomas Collins

Bgates, in addition to AliceH's example of what type of funding might be cut off, I think the House could actually cut off funding for nonenforcement. It would be in effect impeachment light. The House bill would contain a finding that Obama's action is a violation of the oath of office of the POTUS. It could then cut off funding for any official acting pursuant to the order, and for any administrative expenses implementing the order. Congress could also cut funding in other areas and hold up Obama appointments as a means of expressing its disapproval.

narciso

Btw, this took away whatever breaks there might have been for Congress to reign in in spending;


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_of_1974

centralcal

sailor, I think Obama and Axelplouffe were hoping to back Romney into a corner. I personally hope he is cautious and lets congresscritters take up the outcry.

narciso

They were perfectly willing to cut off military funds to the ARVN, other issues less so,

hit and run

TM:
“Take Care That The Laws Be Faithfully Executed”

Circus life
Under the big top world
We all need the clowns
To make us smile
Through space and time
Always another show

Chubby

((John Yoo, who knows a bit about the assertion of Executive Branch authority, says Obama has gone way beyond the normal lines with his unilateral immigration reform))

Exactly. It all boils down to the left having absolutely no respect for normal boundaries, in any department of life. We see that in the JOM trolls and we see it in the president.

Rick Ballard

There is absolutely no reason for Governor Romney to personally respond to every "look, squirrel" move by the Pinhead Troika. We're either two or nine days away from the Supreme smack down of the JEF's administration centerpiece and the campaign focus should be on the JEF's administration playing the Obamacare fiddle while the economy sank.

Neo

The Hispanic population ought to be a little wary of the President’s claims.

Since a Presidential Order doesn’t carry the same weight as a law .. and there is a law that says differently than the President, it’s quite possible that that this pandering to the illegal Hispanic community (who shouldn’t be voting because that is illegal no matter) could turn into the biggest group of patsies to turn themselves into ICE under the mistaken belief that the President can just ignore the laws that strike him unfavorably.

Ignatz

--We're either two or nine days away from the Supreme smack down of the JEF's administration centerpiece--

I take it Rick considers our lecherous leprechaun less than reliable.

Ignatz

Wouldn't that be hilarious Neo?
Unlikely, but hilarious.

Captain Hate

Probably less than sentient.

hit and run

But duda has sources.

Chubby

I think yesterday was a big day in the Romney campaign and Obama used one of his old tricks and timed his announcement to steal from any thunder that Romney might get. I thought Romney handled it well, in that he didn't bite which is always the best thing to do when dealing with trolls and trolllike behavior.

narciso

It's actually a 'nudge, nudge' as the DHS rule states.

Threadkiller

Is this the thread where we decode the Constitution?

From Yoo:

"Under Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution, the president has the duty to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” This provision was included to make sure that the president could not simply choose, as the British King had, to cancel legislation simply because he disagreed with it."

I am sorry but this is completely erroneous. Everybody knows the Founding Fathers left a loophole to ensure our Commander in Chief could be loyal to the British Crown.

Didn't they?

hit and run

Obama would never round up illegals to deport them.

He'd send in drones to take them out, watching live video feeds of the carnage.

Captain Hate

TK aren't you supposed to be in indentured servitude to DoT until he completely recovers? Or did I just dream that...

Danube of Thought

There is a great deal to like about Romney's campaign so far. I think he's been very cagey, but at the same time statesmanlike.

On the other hand, I took two Percocets an hour ago. Not only am I happy, I am invincible.

narciso

So, having Janet Incompetano, the one that was surprised by AQAP's move, this will work out well,

peter

Minus 16 in the Ras

Ignatz

--I thought Romney handled it well--

I thought he did too. I just reread what he said over at Hotair and while he didn't rise to Barry's transparent baiting neither did he say nothing. He made the principled argument that it should be handled correctly via a law not a power grab.
Nicely split the difference between offending Hispanics, as the pinheads designed, and offending everyone else which was the other alternative.

Captain Hate

From a fellow moron with one small edit:

I heard a story on the NPR Weekend Edition about Romney's campaign bus tour this week. Here's the amazing part:

It was written from a Republican point of view. It was about what Romney hopes to achieve, and featured actual sound bites of him speaking. It did not have a single "critics charge" or even a quote from a Democrat operative.

hit and run

I had no idea. I mean I had seen the special packaging, but I didn't realize that my favortiest hobby in the world could actually be used to help veterans.

Illustrating Miller High Life's steadfast commitment to our country's veterans, the brand announced today the renewed partnership with Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America (IAVA) and a new relationship with Operation Homefront to once again "Welcome Veterans Back to the High Life." For the third consecutive year, the iconic American brand is inviting legal-age beer drinkers to support veterans by helping provide them with thousands of memorable "High Life" experiences, such as tickets to professional sporting events and concerts, throughout the summer.

All I have to do is send tabs from my cans or caps from my bottles to retails or Miller itself, and each one puts ten cents toward the program.

At the pace I consume, I should be able to give at least 5 veterans some really nice experience. In fact, now I'm going to double my intake. For the cause.

I am troubled that I didn't realize this program had been going on for 3 years. How did I not know? How many tabs and caps have I simply put in the recycling bin or trash?

It's 11:17 am, and I am popping one open for the troops.

pagar

You or I or any decent American ignore laws we go to jail.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77486.html

"Obama’s policy strategy: Ignore laws"

Leftists just do whatever they please and nothing happens to them.

Captain Hate

All the patriotic ads in the world could not get me to drink Miller High Life.

Janet

Sorry to be a downer, but I believe Miller is also a sponsor of the Folsom St. "Fair" in San Francisco. High life indeed.

On the other hand, I took two Percocets an hour ago. Not only am I happy, I am invincible.

I've only had a fried egg & some tobacco so that might explain my sour disposition.

Janet

Leftists just do whatever they please and nothing happens to them.

I hear ya, pagar.

Chubby

video of Mitt's response LUN

(Real Clear Politics)

Captain Hate

I believe Miller is also a sponsor of the Folsom St. "Fair" in San Francisco.

Ugh; consult Zombietime for pictures of that little slice of Hell. Bring a barf bag.

Jane

Since a Presidential Order doesn’t carry the same weight as a law .. and there is a law that says differently than the President, it’s quite possible that that this pandering to the illegal Hispanic community (who shouldn’t be voting because that is illegal no matter) could turn into the biggest group of patsies to turn themselves into ICE under the mistaken belief that the President can just ignore the laws that strike him unfavorably.

We should all be spreading the rumor that this is precisely Obama's intent - because the black people are really upset about Latino's stealing their benefits.

First we need to turn it into a 40 character soundbite.

Ignatz

Bear in mind it's only mid June and Barry's already thrashing around like a bear with its foot in a trap.
Imagine what he'll get up to if by September the economy continues on its current tanking trajectory and he's trailing in the polls by ten instead of it being essentially a dead heat.
It ain't gonna be pretty.
Could be amusing though, in a Gawd-help-us-all sort of way.

GMax

Leftists just do whatever they please and nothing happens to them.

Au contraire, hide and watch, November is what happens to them and its going to be a holocaust but a well deserved and earned holocaust.

Now they will call my flight in a second so I am powering down. Keep your chins up, we got this one.

hit and run

Janet:
Sorry to be a downer, but I believe Miller is also a sponsor of the Folsom St. "Fair" in San Francisco.

I see a lot of stories from 2007, but nothing current. I see this from the Thomas More law center from Nov 2007 in which the Catholic League ended their boycott of Miller due to the Folsom participation.

So. Down is up!

CH:
All the patriotic ads in the world could not get me to drink Miller High Life.

Not to worry, I'll drink enough for the both of us. And Janet.

Janet:
I've only had a fried egg & some tobacco

Do you finely chop or coarsely crumble your tobacco when you put it on your egg? I prefer chopped.

Jane

The other issue that is nettling me is Obama's constant harping on "republican policies got us here" which is patently untrue. Fannie and Freddie a democrat policy thru and thru got us here. I wish ROmney would say so - and I wish he would link the decline to 6 years of democrat congressional rule.

Captain Hate

That's ok hit; I'll be getting together with my buds later with a growler full of Sierra Nevada Southern Hemisphere Harvest Fresh Hop Ale, assuming the local beverage store's tap hasn't run out.

Chubby

Jane,

YES! and I wish someone would loudly point out that Obama was into the affordable housing/ Fannie-Freddie scam up to his eyeballs

Janet

from the 2005 Folsom St. Fair -

"Veronica Kruschel, 2, drinks water while her twin sister Zola enjoys the Folsom Street Fair environment. Their parents Gary Beuschel and John Kruse (not photographed) watch nearby while having a lunch break."

Miller sponsored.

hit and run

I think I've mentioned before how I have the most non-discriminating palate in the history of the world. DrJ and I discussed this last year when I was out in SF (I should be a subject of a study somewhere!). It just doesn't make sense for me to drink anything but the cheapest beer, because I really don't taste a difference in terms of quality between piss water and the most finely crafted beer in the world.

I don't consider people who call what I drink bad to be beer snobs or anything -- I consider them to be normal, and myself abnormal.

I may wish it weren't so, but then I'd be spending a bunch more on beer, so . . . winning!

Chubby

but exposing young children to that is not child abuse, eh?

hit and run

Jane:
The other issue that is nettling me is Obama's constant harping on "republican policies got us here" which is patently untrue.

Here you go.

(just don't tell 'em it's highly . . . edited)

Chubby

my 11:45 was responding to the picture Janet posted

Captain Hate

That's fine, hit; far be it for me to tell anybody how to spend their money and life. That's what libs do.

henry

Hit, you have a future as a Florida prosecutor.

DrJ

I have the most non-discriminating palate in the history of the world.

Hit's right that we talked about this. We had a wonderful Italian dinner in North Beach (San Francisco). With dinner I ordered a very good Seghesio Zin (what else?) and that prompted the discussion.

I love these, and hit claimed that he was not able to gauge how good it was or wasn't. Yes, he claimed tell the difference between beverages, but for him he claimed he could tell no difference in perceived quality.

To say that I was surprised was an understatement. It's just contrary to my taste buds.

I should mention that hit, ever the gentleman, picked up the tab. I'm sure I appeared on his expense report as a high powered consultant or some such.

sailor

Well, TC, I hope Mitt will respond as to letting Congress decide about whether or not unconstitutional. And, also, cc, Do you think Congress will take up the outcry?

hit and run

DrJ:
I should mention that hit, ever the gentleman, picked up the tab. I'm sure I appeared on his expense report as a high powered consultant or some such.

Heh! I filed that expense report late. And once I did, my boss returned it to me saying I had to indicate with whom I had dinner. It wasn't a real inquiry, it was a box checking exercise. I think I put "team dinner" and no one said another word.

Captain Hate

While we're dishing out compliments, jimmyk treated me to some delicious tastes of Belgium from out of the tap around Christmas.

DrJ

"team dinner"

Yay! I'm part of the team! Doesn't a tee shirt or hat come with that? Or a pay check?

:)

Extraneus

AP: Supreme Court's decision on Obama's health care law unlikely to be the last word

WASHINGTON – Some are already anticipating the Supreme Court's ruling on President Barack Obama's health care law as the "decision of the century." But the justices are unlikely to have the last word on America's tangled efforts to address health care woes. The problems of high medical costs, widespread waste, and tens of millions of people without insurance will require Congress and the president to keep looking for answers, whether or not the Affordable Care Act passes the test of constitutionality.
What? Even if it's upheld?
Captain Hate

The problems of high medical costs, widespread waste, and tens of millions of people without insurance will require Congress and the president to keep looking for answers, whether or not the Affordable Care Act passes the test of constitutionality.

The AP path to serfdom.

Porchlight

What? Even if it's upheld?

It's almost as if they know something we don't, Extraneus.

Jane

Hit, you have a future as a Florida prosecutor.

LOL Henry. SOrry I read your post wrong last night. Caro forced me to drink vodka - that's my excuse.

narciso

Actually, they haven't for the longest time,

henry

Ah, Caro did it. : ) I'm just keeping my gloat skills honed for whatever happens in the recount here -- at the least the local MSM has to cover voter fraud for the next two weeks!

Paula

Can anyone explain to me how this differs from when GH Bush stopped sending home Chinese nationals after the Tiananmen Square crackdown?

Or how it differs from when GWB signed an executive order allowing people in the country illegally to gain a legal right to be in the country?

Just trying to understand this...

matt

Hit;

I may be wrong, but I recall that IAVA was founded as a liberal alternative to the VFW and Legion. I don't pay attention to most of that stuff and it was several years ago, but it struck me as a Madison Avenue, politically correct association. Haven't heard much about them through the usual channels.

hit and run

Thanks, matt. I might should look at it more closely. I hope that by sending in my tabs and caps -- from beers I will drink either way -- will help in some small way. But if it's more harmful than helpful in the sense that it supports liberal causes as much or more than military ones, that would be a bother.

narciso

Yes, you can pop the tops, but take care;


http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=25795

BR

Narciso, your earlier link to the Sipsey Street Irregulars and Codrea's upcoming radio show on Sunday night is amazing about ICE agent Zapata killed while investigating Fast and Furious!

I actually thought that might have been the case with Brian Terry, since he was shot in the back.

Clarice

Cut off the fundng for AF1 and 2 unless they rescind this order.

Ignatz

--Can anyone explain to me how this differs from when GH Bush stopped sending home Chinese nationals after the Tiananmen Square crackdown?--

There are provisions for political oppression and as Barry helpfully pointed out the people covered by his latest action do not fall into that category.

As to your claim about W Bush do you have a citation?
Here's a list to help you. I'm not saying it isn't in there but you made the assertion so help me to understand. If he did do it, it is no different and should also be condemned. Let's see if he did first. Your turn.

narciso

Clarice, I was kind of surprised that the Pakula revelations, re Holland, haven't made a greater impact, it seems like the Libby case
all over again,

Paula

Thanks so much, Iggy! Someone else made the assertion about GWB's executive order. I couldn't imagine he doing that w/o a huge outcry against it.

Paula

What I meant to say was that someone made that assertion to me and I tried to look for it, but couldn't find it. I figured someone here would know whether he did or not. Thanks again.

Jane

Henry,

I very much look forward to the recall and your analysis. Caro and I were saying today how glad we are you emerged this year.

Ignatz

--Thanks so much, Iggy! Someone else made the assertion about GWB's executive order. I couldn't imagine he doing that w/o a huge outcry against it.--

Yeah, I wasn't going to look through all those EOs especially since about half of them didn't have a title.
Sorry if I misunderstood whose assertion it was. :)

Paula

Iggy, this is the EO they were looking at...July 3 2002 Expedited Naturalization Executive Order and Nov 15 2002 Executive Order Regarding Undocumented Aliens in the Caribbean Region.

daddy

Hit,

Thanks for the hard work digging up that clip of racist Bill Plante hollering at our Post Racial President. Fine, fine job Sir!

Ignatz

--Iggy, this is the EO they were looking at...July 3 2002 Expedited Naturalization Executive Order and Nov 15 2002 Executive Order Regarding Undocumented Aliens in the Caribbean Region.--

Thanks for digging through those,Paula.
The July 3rd one says nothing about illegal aliens and since it refers to expedited naturalization it's hard to see how it could have. In any event it is as a reward for voluntarily serving in the armed forces not for involuntarily being born here.
The Nov one was in relation to the political and humanitarian problems associated with the further disintegration of what seemed like an already thoroughly disintegrated Haiti and the boat people and refugees coming from that benighted hellhole.

Paula

Thanks so much, Iggy! XOX

So IOW, neither one can compare w/ what BO just did by declaring he wouldn't enforce the law of the land, right?

Jane

It just occurred to me how desperate Obama is coming across. I find that fabulous!

Kathy Kattenburg

"John Yoo, who knows a bit about the assertion of Executive Branch authority, says Obama has gone way beyond the normal lines with his unilateral immigration reform."

John Yoo's knowledge about the assertion of Executive Authority certainly should not lead him to the conclusion that an Executive Order stating that the U.S. government will not deport individuals who have been in the U.S. since childhood and have no criminal record "goes way beyond the normal lines" of unilateral actions the POTUS can take based on his executive authority alone.

It may or may not be true that Obama has exceeded his executive authority, but John Yoo would certainly not be a logical person to assert that, if he is basing his assertion on what his knowledge of executive authority led him to state that the POTUS had the authority to do on his own, w/o congressional approval or oversight.

I'm surprised you would say otherwise, because this is really not factual, based on the nature of what Pres. Obama did with regard to immigration policy versus the nature of what John Yoo authorized Pres. Bush to do. That's really not open to reasonable dispute.

Ignatz

Kathy, in your short absence from JOM's placid shores have you completed an advanced course in incoherence?
You were quite adept previously but you would appear to be ready for a dissertation at this point.
We've been needing a true scholar in this area of expertise ever since Professor Erwin Corey went to his reward. Kudos, doc.

Sara

DOT: Be careful with that Percoset. The first time I was given it, Navy Hospital SD in '72, I had hallucinations of being wheeled down the hospital corridor while all the other patients stood in their room doorways and threw forks under the tires of my gurney to try and give it a flat tire.

hit and run

That's really not open to reasonable dispute.

I have to concede: you're the expert par excellence in unreasonable dispute.

Tom Roberts

Anyway, could Congress earmark funds for enforcement of these specific imigration laws? That is quite an intrusion on the Justice Dept, but Congress certainly does similar things with regard to, for example, closing military bases...

Appropriations and authorization bills are organized by line items, some of which are for general items like paying everybody in an agency and some of which are for particular activities like buying F35s or military construction at various bases.
Now what a PO'd congress can do is to specifically defund a line item, with 'prejudicial language' preventing any spare funding from being redirected to pay the bills in that area,
or
they can put in a line item to do something specific. Most of the DoD Procurement and R&D budgets are this type of thing, where Congress says the Exec is going to buy so many items next year.

Now this type of thing doesn't prevent the agencies from failing to carry out Congressional intent by bungling the procurements and activities (e.g. TSA harrassing old folks) or by creatively moving activities into other line items (e.g. MDA pushing various missile defense programs into various other line items), but doing that generally causes Congress staffers next year to cut or plus up the applicable line items vindictively.

Strawman Cometh

based on the nature of what Pres. Obama did with regard to immigration policy versus the nature of what John Yoo authorized Pres. Bush to do.
John Yoo didn't authorize Pres. Bush to do anything. But he did point out that the Constitution grants the CiC, once given Congressional authorization, a free hand to conduct the business of war. The Constitution grants no such authority to the President in matters of immigration.

Donald

I have obviously had the wrong percocets in the past!

Just sayin.

Did my first 50 mile bike ride today. Topped it off with catching 0 trout.

Not a bad day.

sbw

Gosh, Kathy, thanks for your unsubstantiated assertions. If it weren't for them, I wouldn't know who to follow blindly.

Jane

Holy cow Donald. That certainly deserves some applause. Nice job!

hit and run

I caught 0 trout today as well.

Kathy Kattenburg

"John Yoo didn't authorize Pres. Bush to do anything. But he did point out that the Constitution grants the CiC, once given Congressional authorization, a free hand to conduct the business of war. The Constitution grants no such authority to the President in matters of immigration."

He didn't "point it out" -- that suggests drawing someone's attention to an already existing reality. He asserted that the Constitution gives the President the authority to do anything he wanted if he decides it's related to war or national security. In fact, the AUMF does not constitute permanent authorization for any President to do anything he wants if he decides it's related to war or national security. And the Constitution does not say that Congress can authorize the chief executive to do anything he wants regarding war or national security from that point on, indefinitely. The Constitution does not say that, anywhere. John Yoo asserted that it did, but a lot of other people besides John Yoo have the ability to read, and the Constitution does not say anything like that.

I'm just pointing out that, in point of fact, John Yoo pointed out nothing; rather, he asserted something that was not true.

Kathy Kattenburg

"If it weren't for them, I wouldn't know who to follow blindly."

Well, you appear to have no problem following unsubstantiated assertions blindly when they come from someone whose politics you agree with.

The comments to this entry are closed.

Amazon





Traffic

Wilson/Plame