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paladin

The defense hasn't showed me much up to this point. Surely they knew of the defense fund. They apparently did little preparing and protecting Zimmerman on this issue during the bond hearing.

rse

OT as I am off to hear the diva perform.

If someone is looking for another reason to be greatly annoyed with this Administration, rejecting individual thinking to embrace the socio-cultural perspective should do it.

http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/so-now-common-core-rejects-individual-thinking-to-embrace-soviet-psychology-ecology/

Socio-cultural theory goes back to Lev Vygotsky. Ayers must be so proud to now officially ground US ed in the theories designed to create the new Soviet mentality.

I don't think they were planning on anyone actually reading that whole report. It was the one all these charitable foundations like Carnegie supposedly petitioned to get students who would be ready for the 21st century economy.

I'll say.

Clarice

I imagine, like TM, the judge can't wait to get out of this case.

The FBI report might also explain why a neighborhood watch was necessary:The Sanford PD looks like an incompetent, nasty clown show.

GMax

Nice to see the defense playing a little bit of hardball.

Hear hear.

Danube of Thought

Minus 14 at Raz today.

Leads Romney by 1.

Danube of Thought

"Surely they knew of the defense fund."

Not so sure of that. As I recall, Mara was brand new to the case at the time of that hearing, and it wouldn't surprise me if GZ had kept him in the dark about it.

GMax

RANGERS win, Angels lose and if that is not fantastic on stupendous all by itself, today is the annual Parker County Peach Festival. Parker County peaches are nectar of the Gods, and I personally believe that he rested on the 7th day with his favorite creations the peach and watermelon!

I will report back on some of the creative things that can be made with a peach.

Weatherford Texas is the county seat and the place to be.

henry

The Racine DA will not file charges in the Racine election fraud. Plus the GAB is offended that anyone would question election processes there. I wish I was in Weatherford TX right now.

You need to scroll down to get the right story, crappy web page.

Frau Lehrerin a.D.

Go get 'em, rse. They won't see it coming.

MarkO

"it wouldn't surprise me if GZ had kept him in the dark about it."

Careful. I recall some bold suggestions here that clients, not unlike rape vicitims, don't lie.

That said, it did not appear to me that counsel did much inquiry into an issue that could have been easily verified.

narciso

Yes, let's reverse how everything was learned before, and see how that works


http://www.simplypsychology.org/vygotsky.html

narciso

Of course, taking her seriously was the first mistake;

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/07/it-was-romneys-star-trek-moment-they.html

Ignatz

--Careful. I recall some bold suggestions here that clients, not unlike rape vicitims, don't lie.--

I believe it was my bold suggestion that this client and his wife don't lie to their attorney.
I know other people involved in civil suits who have been forthcoming with their attorneys.
That may not be common with other civil litigants and what happens on the criminal side of the ledger I have no knowledge of.
I merely object to the blanket statement all clients lie to their attorneys because I personally know it to be false.

Threadkiller

"An announcement is expected sometime in the fall on whether the U.S. Supreme Court will decide just exactly who is a “natural born citizen” as required by the U.S. Constitution for all those who would be president. Officials with the Liberty Legal Foundation confirmed they have filed an appeal of the ruling from the state Supreme Court in Georgia, and a decision by the nation’s highest court on whether it will accept the case is expected over the coming months.

It raises two questions, including whether states can be forced to accept any candidate from a political party for presentation on state ballots even when the candidates do not meet the required qualifications. The other is the key, “Are all individuals born on U.S. soil Article II ‘natural born citizens,’ regardless of the citizenship of their parents?” According to a statement from Van Irion, chief of Liberty Legal, the case that stems from a Georgia dispute “is the first to present the U.S. Supreme Court with a substantive ruling on the definition of natural born citizen under the Constitution.”

“All other cases to reach the Supreme Court on this issue had been dismissed on purely procedural grounds. Liberty Legal Foundation’s case is an appeal from the Georgia courts’ substantive ruling,” he explained. “The Georgia courts refused to dismiss our case based upon procedural grounds. The Georgia courts reached the substantive issue, what is a natural born citizen. “They ruled incorrectly, but that ruling does allow us to ask the U.S. Supreme Court to address the definition of natural born citizen, instead of simply addressing a procedural issue,” the explanation said.

“Now the U.S. Supreme Court has an opportunity to address the definition of natural born citizen, our substantive issue.”"

http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/supremes-asked-who-is-natural-born-citizen/

narciso

And no accusation is too ludicrous, I know that's never happened before;


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/07/14/2894780/lt-gov-jennifer-carroll-to-fight.html

Clarice

TK, The SCOTUS will not take certiorari.

Danube of Thought

the blanket statement all clients lie to their attorneys

I don't recall anyone's making that statement. I have had occasions where I strongly suspected a client was not entirely forthcoming with me, and it is extremely disconcerting and does the client no good.

Danube of Thought

They won't hear it, TK.

Threadkiller

It seems to be a fine line on certiorari, Clarice, but the defendant is filing a direct appeal of a mistake being made at trial. The objection to the mistake was made during the trial and the defendant can show harm directly related to this mistake.

Are they asking for certiorari or are they asking for a different kind of appeal? Is there a difference?

Clarence Thomas has made it clear that the high court wishes to avoid the topic(video at the WND link) so I don't hold out hope either way.

Threadkiller

How is the knee, DoT? Is it up for another lunch?

pagar

Narciso @11:55.

Explained-""I just read the email from Cindy Graves and I am sorry you had to experience such hardship and ugliness from a Obama supporter,’’ Sandler wrote.

xbradtc

I'm not going to look back at the tape of the very first bond hearing, but I seem to recall that the issue of the defense fund was raised, and O'Mara basically said it existed, he didn't know the specifics of it, and that he would get back to Lester on the substance of it. Lester seemed to take that at face value.

Of course, Zimmerman had his conversations with Shellie before this, and as a practical matter, O'Mara likely had no way of knowing the substance of their conversations in jail. He just hadn't been on the case long enough, and surely hadn't had much conversation with Zimmerman at that time.

Basically, the state had this information at hand at the very first bond hearing, and yet sandbagged Zimmerman and O'Mara to attack his credibility.

If I'm misremembering the timeline, please advise.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Repeating an OT comment on last night's thread, I thought this motion was the best work done so far by Z's defense team. It shows the team is finally beginning to catch up with cboldt's command of the facts. If the cited law is accurate, ISTM that Lester will either have to recuse or commit reversible error.

MarkO

Come on, Iggy. "I merely object to the blanket statement all clients lie to their attorneys because I personally know it to be false."

I never said that and you're going all Obama campaign on me. My thoughts were that an effective lawyer will question everything the client tells him and never assume the truth of any of it. A client can be wrong, misremember or simply dissemble.

I've had many clients who were wonderfully honest, some of whom I nudged into that condition.

Carol Herman

I'd bet that George Zimmerman was most surprised at the donations to PayPal.

Sometimes, up at REDDIT, a personal tragic story appears. And, then because the poster updates this. You find out how generous people can be. As they report the DONATIONS that have come in.

DONATIONS are not "earnings." Donations can disappear in a minute, too. (Do you know anyone who still gives to Jerry Sandusky's 2nd Mile charity?) Isn't it possible that those donations, at one time, had zero to do with child abuse? And, that money did get distributed to families in need?

Judge Lester has made it a crime to accept charitable donations! He even put Zimmerman's wife into jail!

While in most of America, when you hear "bail has been set at $100,000" most people think that the person in jail stays in jail because $100,000 is considered a HUGE BAIL!

When Zimmerman was arrested he no longer had a job.

When Zimmerman was arrested, Zimmerman was not savvy about charitable donations, either.

Lester PUT Zimmerman in a situation where his reputation was ruined. Even while Judge Lester KNEW the creepy DA did not even have a case. That's where the miscarriage of justice took place.

Ralph L

Wouldn't O'Mara have asked how he was going to be paid?

hit and run

The conversation in question...


A client lying to his lawyer? What? Just about every time, that's all.

Posted by: MarkO | June 01, 2012 at 05:52 PM

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That's about as fair as the generalizations about lawyers.

Posted by: Ignatz | June 01, 2012 at 06:15 PM

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Iggy, in my experience, it is the rare client, like the rare doctor's patient, who is fully forthcoming and honest about everything. Of course, results may vary.

Posted by: MarkO | June 01, 2012 at 06:25 PM

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You just need a better class of client, Mark. :)

Posted by: Ignatz | June 01, 2012 at 06:40 PM

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Carol Herman

You know, I remember Nifong.

I remember how Nifong disregarded the truth to claim Duke LaCrosse players committed a rape. And, the ONLY THING that blew these charges out of the water ... was that one of the players stopped at an ATM machine, where he took out some of his own money from the bank. And, got a timed machine receipt.

Nifong's been disbarred.

And, yet? Prosecutors seem to be doing "Nifong's" the live long day ... Because it's politically feasible.

Lester's "reversible error" ... is that he jailed a man and his wife ... knowing the "second degree murder" was no such thing at all.

Don't we have law schools and Bar examinations to eliminate the truly incompetent from the so-called "legal profession?"

When a person goes to vote for a judge, exactly how much information do they get on their ballots, which might help them make better choices?

Most of the terrible stories that occur daily unfortunately stay stuck within the courthouse.

Lester, at least, has exposed the cockroaches to daylight.

Chubby

obviously, Dershowitz is interested in the case, and I wonder if his interest has gone so far as conversing with O'Mara about it, offering advice, etc.

Ignatz

--Come on, Iggy. "I merely object to the blanket statement all clients lie to their attorneys because I personally know it to be false."

I never said that and you're going all Obama campaign on me.--

I believe you did say something very similar to that which prompted my initial reaction at the time. You may have later walked it back as hyperbole, which is fine if so, but you said it.
If you hadn't or had merely suggested attorney's question what their clients tell them I would have had zero reason to object.

Ignatz

How do you do that Hit?

Chubby

((How do you do that Hit?))

that's what I'm thinking. that was an amazing bit of research, both for the accuracy of the results and turnaround time

hit and run

Ignatz:
How do you do that Hit?

I can't answer that.

narciso

There were four hundred calls, to police, from that complex, only a half dozen or so, from Zimmerman, what does that tell you.

Frau Lehrerin a.D.

I suggest leaving bottles of Titos in hit's driveway and waiting for the right moment to ask him how he did it, Iggy.
BTW, hit's being alone at home leaves much to expect fear.

Frau Lehrerin a.D.

Sara, I must protest the age-defamation in that link.

Frau Lehrerin a.D.

Sobering info, narciso. I love the use of "former" and "volunteer" neighborhood watch that is being used now in reporting. With George Zimmerman gone, has anyone stepped up to replace him?

Ignatz

--I suggest leaving bottles of Titos in hit's driveway and waiting for the right moment to ask him how he did it, Iggy.--

I'll put the Titos under a box propped up by a stick with a string tied to it. Then he'll have to talk or explain to Mrs. H&R why he's been sleeping in the driveway under a box while she was gone. :)

Ignatz

BTW I will concede to MarkO that "just about every time" is not as absolute as my memory of his comment was, if he'll admit it's pretty darn close.
Close enough not to be compared to Barry anyway, who, and I believe I am remembering this correctly, is not only not very smart he is also a liar. :)

hit and run

I'm in Ignatz.

Only today I am in the garage -- we're getting a nice little rain shower right now. A badly needed one. Dropped the temp by at least 10 degrees. I'm hopeful this rain turns my yellow grass back to a lovely shade of brown.

Sara

Sara, I must protest the age-defamation in that link.

In complete agreement, Frau. In fact, the most electronic challenged people I know are a generation or two younger than I am and it drives me crazy. However, I have still to figure out what to use my iPad (sent to me as a gift) for, since I have a smart phone and a laptop already. When not using it to play simple games (simple since it doesn't have Flash), I use it as my mousepad when using the laptop.

Danube of Thought

Knee's doing great TK; thanks. Lunch would be good.

Sara

On Lester, from a client side and one whose own civil case not only required a new judge, but a whole new courthouse, the minute the Judge opined that the case was "strong" against Zimmerman, I would have been demanding my attorney DO SOMETHING!

MarkO

Iggy, I love that you defend your clients even against my hyperbole.

Chubby

((I have still to figure out what to use my iPad (sent to me as a gift) for...))


hmmmmmm, let's see ....

I know! you could use it as chopping board in the kitchen!

Ignatz

--Iggy, I love that you defend your clients even against my hyperbole.--

My clients?
I'm not a lawyer nor have I ever played one on TV.
I'm defending myself, my wife and the not small number of other innocent people I know who have been caught up in the craziness of the civil court system through no fault of their own and who know that lying to your lawyer is not only wrong it's a very good way to get your arse kicked in court when he inevitably gets blindsided.

Frau Lehrerin a.D.

Lester and Ito were separated at birth?

OT - for Janet and narciso (and any other Firefly Browncoats: rumor about a reboot.
LUN

narciso

I don't even remember where I read that fact, but you would think it would be significant,
yet the Twin Lakes complex, is portrayed as some idylic retreat, that Zimmerman on his own marred,

narciso

I don't know how that would work, Frau, the film not only killed off Wash and Book, Whedon
is a rather ruthless fellow, he did the same
with Agent Coulson, in Avengers, but he revealed the mystery at the heart of the film.

Sara

I know! you could use it as chopping board in the kitchen!

Nah, it makes a terrific hardbody mousepad that balances on me knee perfectly.

My husband's hobby was woodworking and over the years he designed and made me several beautiful cutting boards inlaid with everything from my monogram to silhouettes of various homes we lived in over 32 years. I consider most of them art pieces rather than kitchen utensils and have them as kitchen wall art.

GMax

OK dove into the crowd and made our way to booth for peach julips which were tasty and at end a slice of peach to boot( at the bottom of the glass). Next it was peach ice cream. Yum. Did not try the peach cobbler, the peach funnel cakes nor the peach ice tea. Saw but did not buy peach preserves either. Did head to the farmers market and pick up a bushel of Parker Co peaches and am awaiting them to ripen for a day or so.

Parker County is one of those places where you are most definitely not out of place in a straw cowboy hat and there was a band with a steel pedal guitar player who was fun to listen too. Lots of Waylon tunes while I was there. (The other stage has some young guys playing Give me Two Steps, the Lynard Skynard classic.

Great time but the festival has grown over the years and it was quite crowded.

The Parker County Republicans booth was buzzing and they were registering voters. Tea Party had a booth as well. I was rude enough to remark outloud as I passed the Democrats booth about how lonely they were. NO ONE would even converse with them. The Maytag repairmen of Parker County. To their credit, they let my smart @ss comment pass.

Got my daughter a T shirt, "All we are saying is: Give PEACH a chance."

Frau Lehrerin a.D.

Come on, narciso. It's Hollywood! Didn't you ever see "Miracle on 34nd St."?

Sara

Obama Attacks Whitey: “Don’t Listen to Your ‘Uncle Jim’ That Watches Fox News” (Video)

Uncle Jim responds:

He has a lot of nerve complaining that FOX News is actually informing people like me. He ought to be happy that he has the rest of the press as de facto members of his campaign and quit whining that the truth is being told somewhere. And I am going to suggest that talking smack about me personally has never really gone well for anyone.
narciso

Well they can always retcon, like they did with the latest Star Trek, but that only goes so far.

Ignatz

--The other stage has some young guys playing Give me Two Steps, the Lynard Skynard classic.--

Sounds like a good way to get shot. Wasn't it give me three steps?

Minimalist Poster

Two Steps, Three Steps, maybe they're just faster

Minimalist Poster

or One Step ahead

OldTimer

My gawd, Sara, Obama is probably well over his his billion dollar goal by now. Romney should frame that China donor request in an ad.

I've got two more letters from Romney just today. Thanks, Doug Ross! I'm going to send a check to the Romney campaign in each letter.

Beasts of England

What a fine way to start. It's 'nooner' somewhere...

GMax

Well I did butcher that. It was Lynyrd Skynyrd too. I bet MarkO appreciates the reprieve I gave him!

hit and run

Just got off the phone with the interminably missed mrs hit and run.

They're headed for Lockhart, TX for barbecue.

::wipes drool from mouth::

GMax

Listen to me mister, I didn't even kiss her, dont want no trouble with you, and I know you dont owe me but I wish you would let ask one favor of you...

Beasts of England

I really love for them to be fit, too. Thank you, Michelle O. Hugs and kisses, ma'am.

Ignatz

--Listen to me mister, I didn't even kiss her, dont want no trouble with you, and I know you dont owe me but I wish you would let ask one favor of you...--

"I said excuse me....." still chuckle when he adds that high pitched little footnote to the end of the first lyric.

Threadkiller

GMax, Texas(Schulenburg area to be more exact) still tops my "best ever" list in the categories of "steak" and "peach cobbler."

Oh my!

Ignatz

--I bet MarkO appreciates the reprieve I gave him!--

Yeah, I'm feelin' a little grumpy today. Sorry.

GMax

Luling or Lockhart Hit? Can Shiner be next stop?

Sara

I feel his pain. I, too, have been enormously disappointed in his hero Obama:

The mother of U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr. broke her silence about her son's illness, acknowledging the congressman has had trouble dealing [with] the "enormous disappointment'' over the past few years.
Beasts of England

Hang tough, Ig.

Barney, I blubber.

You don't get anything sent your way without a way to deal with it.
===================

hit and run

TK:
Texas(Schulenburg area to be more exact) still tops my "best ever" list in the categories of "steak" and "peach cobbler."

Much closer to mrs hit and run than GMAx.

GMax:
Luling or Lockhart Hit? Can Shiner be next stop?

Lockhart. They did Shiner last year. This is a trip with her parents. Shiner will be with her sister probably in the coming weeks.

GMax

TK if you got to Schulenburg and had some weiner scnitzel, I hope you got up to Brenham and toured the Blue Bell creamery, maybe the finest ice cream in the country and definitely not run by socialists either.

hit and run

GMax:
I hope you got up to Brenham and toured the Blue Bell creamery

I've given up ice cream for the most part (I've really no appetite at all for sweets any more, save lemon squares, really), but I can't say enough about Blue Bell.

Oh my.

Never been to Brenham for a tour, though.

maybe the finest ice cream in the country

I believe it's "the best tasting ice cream in the country."

GMax

Greg Gutfeld, seemed somewhat amused by the whole thing considering Obama is from Chicago. Chicago. You know, the city “where if every criminal wore an orange jumpsuit, the city would look like a giant bag of Cheetos.”

Now that is funny, I dont care what you say.

Danube of Thought

Sara, use it as you would a smaller laptop. Be sure to get a good cover for it. E-mail, blog, surf the news aggregators....

Jane

I'm up in Maine for my uncles memorial service. In my family we don't have funerals, we wait for the good weather and have parties. My cousin the chef is cooking the filet on the grill, the people are expected in a few minutes and we will all raise a budweiser to Uncle Bob.

A few people here knew me when I was a baby. One of them just told me how much they love watching Chris Mtthews.

I'm ovwerlooking Great East Lake about to indulge in my first Tito' s of the day. Just wanted to say "hi".

Threadkiller

For the Chris Matthews lovers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuBnlNjZq24

Sara

Stossel just did a segment on first jobs. It was fun to hear what some of our well known anchors and pundits did as their first job.

So, what was your first job?

Besides babysitting jobs all thru my high school years at 50 cents an hour, mine was as a camp counselor when I was 16. The following year, I was hired to come back as an assistant lifeguard and small craft instructor and the third year I was in charge of teaching and choreographing the synchronized swimming. I don't recall my pay for years one and two, but I know I was bringing home $22 a week the 3rd year and was quite proud the day I opened my first checking account. My first full time year round job was checking the math on specs for manufacturing huge industrial fans and blowers as the last stop between the engineer's desk and the production line. I got the job because my Dad had had the good sense to teach me to use a slide rule when I was eleven.

Frau Standesamtliche Hochzeit

A little out of the way, but Zentner's Daughter in San Angelo is mighty fine. Those German butchers were real artists in TX.

OT - any foolproof--who, me?--tricks for cutting and dicing jalapenos? Do I have to don gloves? I'm not the formal kind (although I did wear elbow length pink leather gloves at my civil marriage ceremony).

Frau Standesamtliche Hochzeit

Jane, here's to your uncle's memory. As for the person who loves Chrissy. My husband sez that every family has one.

Captain Hate

Terminal naivete, is the only explanation for this

Yet she badmouths Palin every chance she gets.

Porchlight

They're headed for Lockhart, TX for barbecue.

Kreuz, Smitty's or Black's?

One of our good buddy families lives around the corner from Black's. They're out of town or I'd probably be down there right now sitting on their front porch drinking cold beer.

I had the newly famous Franklin barbecue yesterday here in Austin. It's a hipster joint and you have to wait in line, usually at least 45 mins. We ordered 5 lbs for takeout and split it up. I had brisket and pulled pork and I have to say it was pretty darned good. Sauce was delicious, if not very authentic Central TX style. But it hardly needed sauce.

Sara

Jane: To your Uncle, I raise my bottle of Diet Coke. My Dad's family are big on funerals as the best time for family reunions. I wouldn't say they are actually party-like, but there is definitely a mindset that food, food, and more food is the best way to soothe the mourners. They are like giant potlucks. When my Dad died, our dining table, kitchen table and every bit of kitchen counter space was covered with food brought to share after the actual funeral service. We had something like 22 canned hams. To this day, I can not eat ham.

hit and run

Sara:
So, what was your first job?

The first time I got paid was in high school -- helping our coach run a baseball camp for kids.

My goodness, that was surely illegal, or at least improper. Coach Higgins retired last year, a legend in Texas high school baseball history.

I got paid a small sum for a while when I was in college to be a youth director at a church. That was fun.

After that, I was a bank runner in college. In small Nacogdoches, Texas, Fredonia State Bank had three branches. The main one in town, and then two satellite locations on the north and south of town respectively. I took documents and whatnot from branch to branch. I sorted coins when the time was right. I did other things.

But every once in a while, I took the burlap sacks of cold hard cash from one branch to the other. In an old beat up pick up truck. The bags typically had a couple hundred thousand dollars in them.

I never attempted a run to Mexico. I don't know why.

hit and run

Porch:
Kreuz, Smitty's or Black's?

Hmmmm, I didn't ask...

woo woo

“where if every criminal wore an orange jumpsuit, the city [Chicago] would look like a giant bag of Cheetos.”

Speaking of Cheetos, I would bet the top 3 purchases in Chicago with the Illinois LINK card (food stamps) are:

1) Malt Liquor
2) Menthol Cigarettes (singles)
3) Fire Cheetos

The Arabs that own the shops in the hood ring up the first two items as "groceries".

Janet

Brenham is where my Father's family was from. Our little plot of family land in near Burton, TX. Brenham is where they went when they decided to move to the city. We went on the Blue Bell tour once....it really wasn't too much. All the safety rules & such keep you pretty far away from the action!

Porchlight

I prefer Black's for family visits. Red checked tablecloths, lots of vintage memorabilia, fantastic blackberry cobbler, friendly service. Kreuz and Smitty's aren't so friendly and Kreuz has no sauce. Smitty's is definitely the most picturesque, but it's so dark and smoky in there I think it freaks little kids out.

Danube of Thought

I encourage anyone who is interested to go to the WND link to which TK refers at 12:19. Decide for yourself whether that is a clear indication that the SCt is avoiding the issue. Then ask yourself: why would they want to avoid it? Why not just grant cert, and then rule however they want to?

Hint: maybe they don't think it's a serious question.

Janet

So, what was your first job?

Lifeguard at the city pool...it was out on the edge of town, so pretty rural. We had to fish out lots of toads & all kinds of rodents every morning.
My Dad was a wildlife biologist so I helped him sort through bags & bags of cut off quail wings from the hunting club. I could identify if it was young/old male/female from certain feathers. Ugh! That little specialty talent never translated to big bucks later in life. Hard to describe on a resume. :(

Porchlight

Brenham, home of Blue Bell! We have mint chocolate chip in the freezer right now. Homemade Vanilla is the best vanilla ever (and I say that as a former partisan of the ice cream in a certain dairy state up north). I don't care if it has artificial vanilla in it. Cooks Illustrated (the folks from America's Test Kitchen on PBS) have done two fully blind taste tests now with pastry chefs and they have overwhelmingly preferred artificial vanilla in both tests. So take that, food snobs. Vanillin FTW.

Porchlight

So, what was your first job?

Gopher at the local public library. Look at me now, almost 30 years later - a librarian.

Porchlight

The bags typically had a couple hundred thousand dollars in them.

Wow, hit. Were you ever scared someone would tumble to your cargo? I assume you weren't armed.

GMax

My first job was my own paper route at the age of 13. The Free Press was a morning paper, that meant getting pretty early to get folks the news before they awoke. Papers got delivered on holidays, and in all forms of weather including enough snow that the bicycle would not roll through it and it had to be mostly on foot.

DrJ

So, what was your first job?

The first thing I did for money was a paper route in junior high. IIRC I earned a dollar a day, and I thought that was great money.

The first "job" jobs were, in order: a maid at the Hilton (!), and three production jobs in plastics injection molding. That all was in the summer after freshman year. All were great at encouraging good performance at school.

You might be amazed at what turned up in people's rooms after they left (at the Hilton, not the injection molding places!).

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