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Captain Hate

TK should be all over this thread

HarryW

Obama supporters have issues with birtherism and grammar.

http://twitter.com/JanCBS/status/239347083067420672/photo/1


Jan Crawford
‏@JanCBS
Well, that didn't take long: Plane flying banner over Romney/Ryan rally in Ohio: "AMERICA IS BETTER THEN BIRTHERISM."
Jan Crawford
‏@JanCBS
Yep, it seriously says "America Deserves Better THEN Birtherism." @emokidsloveme: @jaketapper It seriously says "then" instead of "than?"

narciso

Well you know how it works, when it's St. Paul and Yale, and/or St. Albans and Harvard, they're just savants, I would say tomatoe, but that's just me,

Threadkiller

This thread may drive Rob Crawford nuts.

derwill

Kinda OT, and long, but promising news for the good guys, I think.

Last night I ended up watching Hannity (not my usual cup of tea, but long story). Unfortunately, I missed the first 15 minutes, but the whole show was given over to covering this movie which will be shown in battleground state theaters, and they’re finalizing a deal to air it on TV. It’s called “The Hope and the Change,” and Pat Caddell and two other guys are the producers. They went out and interviewed a bunch of middle class, Independents and Democrats who voted for the One four years ago, asked them why, and then asked them how they feel about him today. Hannity showed a bunch of clips from the film and also interviewed some of the interviewees in the studio. Now, these people could be the only 2008 Obama voters in the country who feel this way, but if they’re not . . . Boy howdy.

These people are hurting. Some are really, really hurting—the do I feed my kids or pay the mortgage kind of hurting. And they are very, very scared of the future, because they don’t think they can make it through four more years of this. And while they’re most concerned about their own lives, of course, they’re also worried about the bigger picture: the money printing, the spending, the deficit, Medicare going broke, the fiscal cliff, etc.

They voted for Obama because they fell for the hype and the glitz, now they feel like they’ve been had. Their disappointment and the sense of betrayal they feel were almost palatable. I don’t think there is anything he can say or do between now and Nov. to get them back.

The negativity coming from the Obama camp and all this Look, Squirrel! nonsense is infuriating them. I know voters always say they want to hear about the issues, but I think these people really do in the sense that they want to be told, “This train wreck we’re living through now can be stopped, and this is how.”

They loathe Obamacare, especially the mandate. And here, too, they get the bigger picture. They don’t want the government being able to make them buy something they don’t want to buy.

All the golf outings and the lavish vacations have really pissed them off. They see him as out of touch. That he doesn’t know how bad it’s gotten for them, doesn’t want to know, and if he did know he wouldn’t care.

My takeaway? These guys and millions like them, who are worried about their future and the direction the country is heading in, are going to be watching the conventions. One convention is going to be about jobs, spending, energy, saving Medicare, etc. The other about abortion, gay marriage, Romney’s taxes, and Seamus the dog.

Not. Even. Close.

Captain Hate

Love smitten idiot Mark Sanford marries his Argentinian home wrecking girlfriend today after tossing away his political career and marriage to the hawt mother of his children. I hope they move to Argentina so I never have to be in the same hemisphere as that calf-eyed imbecile. Good riddance if so.

MarkO

Please never forget Sandra's contraceptives. And, I, for one, hope she never forgets them.

centralcal

Thanks for the Hannity report, derwill. I had babysitting duty last night and missed it.

Clarice

Gee, CH, And I figured you for such a passionate, devil may care lothario..(XOXOX)

As for the rescue story I suppose the Obama brain trust will attack Romney as a guy who left his post to help a big political donor or something. (It is a little hard for me to get inside their heads, I confess.)

Threadkiller

That was than...

derwill

One of the guys Hannity had in the studio was a black minister, looked to be in his 60s, who said he's voted Democrat his whole life, said he walked into the booth and pulled the D lever without putting a thought into it. But this time, he said, he is thinking about it--because of gay marriage.

I didn't necessarily get the sense he was going to vote Republican this time--a lifetime habit like that is hard to break. But more like he was seriously thinking of skipping the presidential race and just voting for the down ticket Ds.

narciso

That did signal the stupid was strong with him. Captain,as with Gavin Newsom dropping Kimberly, 'winning the future'? Of course what does it say that Ailes signed him up as an analyst,

MarkO

TK, his entire life is a fraud. It makes me think of this:

"Born in Arizona, moved to Babylonia, King Tut"

Captain Hate

All the Red Sox fans should be happy at all the salaries the Sawx were able to dump on the hapless Dodgers, whose new owners seem to be as clueless as the old ones. This puts Boston in a great position to remake the lineup in the next few seasons.

GMax

2nd Massachusetts poll has Scott Brown up big over Fauxcohontas. If progs cant drag lying OWS vocal supporter across the finish line in Massachusetts, that is a huge foreshadowing for the results come November 2 ( or is it the 7th I was listening to the First Lady ).

Think about places less infested with idiot progs.

Akin better not cost us the 60th Senate seat, I will personally fly up there to whip his sorry @ss.

Threadkiller

99.999999999% is a fraud, MarkO.

It is alleged that it has been proven that he was born here; on that we believe he is not fraudulent.

Jane - talk is cheap!

Derwill,

I saw the 1st 15 minutes than fell asleep. I'm not sure you missed anything except Sean endlessly crowing it was the most powerful video he's ever seen and he's seen a lot.

That may be true but Hannity is just too predictable.

MarkO

Steve Martin at Universal Studios.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgTPH5y1-ZI

GMax

How many times a day do you say the exact same thing TK? What exactly does that accomplish? I have taken to pretty much scrolling when I note its you, cuz I just dont wish to read the exact same stuff again and again and again and again and again and again...

Thomas Collins

CH, I could see LA trading a couple of prospects for Gonzalez. I wonder whether the Sox said to the Dodgers that if they wanted Gonzo, they also had to take Crawford and Beckett. If the Dodgers did this in the hopes that Gonzo would propel them to World Series contention this year, I think it is pretty short sighted on their part. As for the Red Sox, the Sox as constructed were going to continue to be flops, so it makes sense for the Sox to "blow it up" and rebuild.

Threadkiller

In his own words, Obama brings clarity to the birthplace controversy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pXa2pK6sg

Did I hear that right?

Threadkiller

Sue would direct you to keep it to yourself, Gmax.

Porchlight

That was than...

Nicely done, TK.

Porchlight

Wow, 2016: Obama's America is playing in four of the biggest theaters in town. I figured it wouldn't play in Austin it all. Gotta go; maybe I can convince Mr. Porch too.

Captain Hate

TC, I think it was a *very* smart move for the Sawx to be competitive in a couple years. The upcoming free agent crop isn't great but they're well placed to sign a few in the following year. Very well done imo.

Thomas Collins

See LUN for some background on the expected Sox-Dodgers megadeal.

Rick Ballard

"Not. Even. Close."

Derwill,

Depends. There is no question Obama has driven away 20% of those who voted for him but the repulsion towards Congress is even higher. The repulsion towards our pathetically failed oligarchy may be even higher than the antipathy towards Congress.

If there were a way for the electorate to shove the entire "top tier" off of a cliff, we would have heard a very large thud by now.

OTOH, the previous post by TM highlights the reason why you may be entirely correct. The antipathy towards Obama is highest among those over 50, the >50 group also happens to comprise 50% of the electorate and is currently 15% more likely to vote than the <50 contingent which may register its general disgust by not participating.

Given the general antipathy, I don't believe Obama can win the election but I do not discount the possibility Governor Romney may lose it. Fatigue and open mikes are the greatest dangers.

Porchlight

Correction: 2016 is playing in the seven biggest theaters in Austin. I didn't scroll far enough.

Threadkiller

Thanks Porch.

Off to do some chores.

Does anyone think Romney would have made the crack about Odufus if it weren't for people like me saying the same thing over and over?

Do you want climate "deniers" to shut up for your scrolling convenience?

derwill

Jane, Hannity makes my head hurt, which is why I rarely watch him. His quota of thoughts is one or two per day, and he beats those same one or two thoughts over and over like bongo drums.

But the film, at least from the clips I saw, was powerful.

DebinNC

This is a "Born in the USA" thread. Full speed ahead, TK. I hope newer threads this weekend leading up to the convention might be left birther-free, but that's jmo.

Thomas Collins

If this was Cherington driven, CH, I'd say it is a better exercise of GMsmanship than anything Theo has done so far.

narciso

The Congress has been frankly splunge, with more than a few 'just a flesh wound' moments,

centralcal

I found this interesting:

Kevin D. Williamson ‏@KevinNR

People with postgrad education and people who attended only grade school have the same partisan split. I'm not actually surprised.

GMax

Well you did convince Romney to not pick Rubio so maybe you did have something to do with his comment! I dont see you changing anyone mind here after all this time but hey knock yourself out if you can convince yourself you are doing something that is one of the crowd.

narciso

No, that was more likely that Saul and a whole host of other staffers worked for Rubio's opponent,

Now this is unhelpful;


http://money.cnn.com/2012/08/22/news/economy/romney-bernanke/index.html?section=money_news_economy

Ignatz

--Do you want climate "deniers" to shut up for your scrolling convenience?

Posted by: Threadkiller | August 25, 2012 at 11:06 AM --

False analogy, TK.
The climate "deniers" are faced with a mendacious group of people who have demonstrated a history of dishonest, corrupt and secretive behavior and who have vested financial and political interests in perpetuating a false narrative.
Wait a minute...

Jane - talk is cheap!

Art Laffer just predicted a Romney Ryan landslide.

I'm in.

derwill

Yeah, Rick B., they're disillusioned and they're bitter. But they also know that sitting it out isn't an option, that if someone from the political class doesn't grab the wheel and start steering pretty soon, we're going over the cliff. The sense I got from this film is that what people are desperate for is leadership, and they want to hear about solutions. They're hurting and they're afraid, and they want someone to say, "Yes, the situation is dire, but it's not too late to turn things around. We can make this country and your own lives prosperous again, and this is how we're going to do it."

Another thing that struck me was that while these people labeled themselves as Independents and Democrats, the words coming out of their mouths would've fit right in here on JOM, at least when it comes to the fiscal issues. In the studio, Hannity asked them how many opposed Obama's plans to spread the wealth, and all but one (the black minister) raised their hands.

Danube of Thought

Minus 15 at Raz today.

Leads Romney by 1.

narciso
Danube of Thought

Allahpundit:

"And so that’s how they’ll treat this morning’s joke, not as evidence that Romney’s 'gone Birther' but as him winking at Birthers because he needs their votes in November. How that makes sense, I’m not quite sure: The inevitable result of telling that joke was that he’ll be asked in his next dozen interviews to affirm his belief that Obama was born in Hawaii, which he’ll dutifully do, which in turn will be a thorn in the side of birth-certificate true believers. He’s better off avoiding this topic entirely and letting their antipathy to Obama push them into his column rather than engage the subject and put himself in a position where he’s forced to repudiate their big theory. But oh well."

Clarice

I have it on good authority he's after BO's ears now. Romney's moved on.

Danube of Thought

Raz:

Libertarian Party presidential candidate Gary Johnson is on the ballot in all 50 states but is largely unknown to the nation’s voters.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 16% of Likely U.S. Voters have a favorable opinion of Johnson, while 20% offer an unfavorable view. Only one-out-of-10 have a strong opinion of him: Two percent (2%) have a Very Favorable view of Johnson, while eight percent have a Very Unfavorable one.

Clarice

"Republican woman" in ad is actually a registered Democrat.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/zekejmiller/republican-in-obama-ad-is-a-democrat

MarkO

Indeed. The ears have it.

Danube of Thought

Raz again:

Three-Way Race: Romney 44%, Obama 39%, Ron Paul 13%

Go figure. Run, Ron, run.

centralcal

Clarice: about that ad - I bet it is true of all of them. Probably none are or ever have been Republican.

GMax

The DNC told us they were deliberately holding down attendance at rally after political rally. Now even Susan Sarrandon finds her schedule conflicts with the DNC convention. So can we hear from Baghdad Bob again? Yup:

Yet one source closely connected to the party assured us that the lack of Hollywood types this year is very deliberate, as the "Democrats try to keep celebrities away as they think it hurts their image." While Barack Obama's barrage of Hollywood fundraisers earlier this year did give his campaign fund a significant monetary boost, it proved to be a dangerous double-edged sword as many expressed concern that he was relying too much on celebrities, and that the tactic could backfire with swing voters.

Sure sure sure I believe you...

narciso

Well Sarandon is probably OWS leaning, but otherwise it's Obama with puppet show territory.

Anne

Gmax - I have taken to pretty much scrolling when I note its you, cuz I just dont wish to read the exact same stuff again and again and again and again and again and again...

Do you think your posts are so insightful and fascinating? I pretty much know what you are going to say every time you post. When I've read it the first time I can just scroll through the rest. Unless I've already read it somewhere else first...

GMax

Fran Dresher is a little too busy too! hahahaha what has she done in like 30 years? Too busy, hahahahaha

Threadkiller

Allahpussy forgets his own advice:

"But now that the door is opened on guilt by association, Team McCain barges through. Quote:

“Barack Obama’s ad is ridiculous. Because of John McCain, corruption was exposed and people like Jack Abramoff went to jail.

“However, if Barack Obama wants to have a discussion about truly questionable associations, let’s start with his relationship with the unrepentant terrorist William Ayers, at whose home Obama’s political career was reportedly launched. Mr. Ayers was a leader of the Weather Underground, a terrorist group responsible for countless bombings against targets including the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon and numerous police stations, courthouses and banks. In recent years, Mr. Ayers has stated, ‘I don’t regret setting bombs … I feel we didn’t do enough.’

“The question now is, will Barack Obama immediately call on the University of Illinois to release all of the records they are currently withholding to shed further light on Senator Obama’s relationship with this unrepentant terrorist?” –McCain spokesman Brian Rogers"

McCain has brought up Ayers before but I don’t think he’s run any ads about him. Look for that to change. Exit quotation: Aren’t they supposed to be against “smear politics” and “divisive tactics”?

Update: Given the relative sharpness of these two attacks, Barry O’s warning that McCain doesn’t know what he’s up against seems even more pathetically funny now than it did yesterday."

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/20/sweet-obama-links-mccain-to-abramoff-mccain-links-obama-to-ayers/

Sweet indeed. Push the terrorist angle, McCain. There is a massive group of voters that know or care about it.

Romney, quit catering to the teeny tiny group of zanies.

GMax

U VA Charlottesville not that interested in a Zero visit. Oops! Not even selling that well on liberal college campuses? Well there is always union halls and black churchs so it no big deal really...

Ignatz

I don't find TK's obsession any more, in fact considerably less tiresome than suggestions he's a moron or insane or the repeated sarcastic references to 50 year old conspiracies.
He is quite often wrong on particular legal questions of subsequent cases, but none of those answer the larger questions he asks which are what was the original intent and what should the law be. The answers to those questions are only partially informed by the many tangential cases discussed. On the subject of the roots and original meaning of 'natural born citizen' his opposition is considerably less convincing.
I wish he would concentrate on those issues. The Second Amendment wasn't saved by endless squabbling over Miller or minor Civil War cases but by a small group of people digging into the roots and purpose of the words the founders, who made it part of the Constitution, used.

Threadkiller

For the record, I read Gmax's posts.

I find enjoy them.

Plus, how.else.would I know I was getting kidney punched?

:-)

Threadkiller

How about "I enjoy them"

GMax

You know how to tell 2016 is having an impact, they have gone from ignoring it hoping it just goes away, to attacking it. Its the the same path Kerry took with the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

GMax

TK I certainly did not mean to insult you, and you are free to post every bit as much as I am. I was trying in my own apparently unpersuasive way to make the point that it seems stale. Carry on.

Threadkiller

Quite often wrong?

I would object if my wife didn't say the same thing.

centralcal

Hey, guys it's Evil Anne commenting.

centralcal

HAPPY BIRTHDAY SUE!

Threadkiller

Ig, what is your opinion of this?


410 SHOTSHELL & .45 COLT

http://www.taurususa.com/gun-selector-results.cfm?series=41

I live next to an open space preserve and the rattler count has gone way up recently.

Anne

Do you ever wonder why new posters stop commenting?
I have posted maybe four times in my life on this site. And that makes me evil? Why?

Threadkiller

GMax, it is like Thankgiving dinner around here sometimes.

No offence taken. I hope the feeling is mutual when I fire back.

Ignatz

Anne,
There used to be a real nutjob who posted here using "Anne" and occasionally other nom de crazies.
I asked if you might be that Anne the other day but when you didn't respond with a thermonuclear crazytrain rant figured you weren't the previous Anne.
If you're not, welcome aboard.

gus

Obama has paid MILLIONS to keep his past hidden. From his Birth certificate to his SS NUMBER, to his passport applications, to his grades and college writings.


WHY?

TK is merely shining a bright light on a pathetic Cock Roach. B.H.OBAMA.

Threadkiller

I don't think it is the same Anne, Ccal.

Anne, someone of the same name caused quite a stir around here awhile ago.

Threadkiller

Happy Birtherday Sue!!

Sue

Odd that a newborn would jump into the fray between 2 posters.

Sue

Kindle! Newborn = newbie.

Threadkiller

Probably a natural newborn, Sue.

Ignatz

TK,
I'm a big fan of the .45 Long Colt and consider the .410 the perfect snake charm.
It can be amazingly tough to hit a rattler with a handgun round. I speak from experience.

Anne

Sue - Odd that a newborn would jump into the fray between 2 posters.
I just don't post a lot. Thanks for the welcome.
Ignatz and Threadkiller - thanks for the information. No, I am not that Anne.

narciso

Happy birthday Sue, who has the list again?

Ignatz

HB Sue.
Hey if it really is Sue's b-day that means she's officially older than me for a few months. Heh.

Clarice

Swallow before reading--the best product review evah!
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2QP56S5P2DEGA/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm

Threadkiller

The 410 part I like for that reason. What barrel length would be effective? I assume the length would also determine the choke, to some extent.

(I can't believe I wrote that in non limirick form)

Clarice

HB, Sue!

narciso

How is that a favorable review, Clarice.

Clarice

Did I say "favorable"? I couldn't stop laughing.

narciso

It's an informative one,, but not what the company would like.

Danube of Thought

none of those answer the larger questions he asks which are what was the original intent and what should the law be. The answers to those questions are only partially informed by the many tangential cases discussed

I've answered both of those larger questions many times. And I've pointed out--many times--that all of the cases are indeed tangential except Ankenny v. Daniels, which is precisely on point. The reason the cases are tangential is that the question posed here was not at issue in them--as I have pointed out, many times.

I've had lunch with TK and enjoy his company. I have not called him a moron, and know of no one here who has.

Some guy

The review was favorable to ice cream, frozen sprouts, religion and gay snowman does that count?

Ignatz

TK,
Depends partly on whether you get the 2.5 or 3 inch chamber. The 3" will have considerably more kick. The longer the barrel the easier to control that kick.

Obviously a gun made to fire a bullet can't have any "choke" in the conventional sense. Whether a half inch more barrel would have any measurable effect on the pattern I don't know. Seems doubtful but I don't really know.

narciso

In retrospect, some more product testing should have been done,

Ignatz

--I have not called him a moron, and know of no one here who has.--

I considered 'head full of rocks' a synonym.

--I've answered both of those larger questions many times.--

DoT,
Your answers regarding the tangential cases are convincing and well supported and I largely agree with them, but by cutting off my quote you lose the context that I'm stating that those cases give no authority to the answers you give regarding the larger questions.
Those answers are neither supported as well nor as convincing.

narciso

This whole piece, should be read to the soundtrack of 'Be a Dentist' from 'Little Shop of Horrors' in the LUN

Jane - talk is cheap!

I think most Johnson voters were Obama voters and I expect Obama to wave his magic wand to legalize marijuana to get them back.

As for the birther stuff Romney should just say - "gee Obama has no sense of humor".

HB Sue - altho I'm not clear that it really is your birthday since the original greeting said "Birther day". I am sure it is Maybee's birthday tho.

Ignatz

--Did I say "favorable"? I couldn't stop laughing.

Posted by: Clarice | August 25, 2012 at 12:58 PM --

OMG, that was hilarious, clarice.

Ignatz

There two or three other reviews of that same product which are just about as funny, if shorter. Read em all.

Danube of Thought

those cases give no authority to the answers you give regarding the larger questions

I've never claimed that they do; I've made it clear that they discuss the question only in dicta. My position is, and constantly has been, that the Indiana Court of Appeals is the only appellate court in America ever to address the question of NBC. And I have said over and over that Wong Kim Ark does not decide the question my way, and more than Minor decides it TK's way.

narciso

Lol, although you realize that violates the Geneva and Vienna conventions.

Danube of Thought

P.S.--TK is no crazier than I am.

daddy

Good Morning!

Just clicked on my company Weather page where we have access to real time amazing satellite shots of Tropical Cyclone's/Typhoon's around the world. They are color coded for highest intensities of winds and moisture etc, and I have the ability to select or deselect various harmful features of each shot. Thought it interesting that after looking at the current shots down JiB's way, I clicked over to the Western Pacific, and the 2 Typhoon systems located around the Northern Philippines and just abeam Taiwan both look way the heck uglier and nastier in terms of bad stuff than Tropical Storm Isaac.

Sorry I can't post the shots, but currently I'd much rather have to deal with Isaac than with either of the Pacific weather monsters.

Up here it's a glorious and clear Good Morning!

Ignatz

Turns out that review clarice linked was cribbed from Amazon.uk where there are no less than 517 reviews and the few I read were just as hysterical as the others.
Apparently describing VEET's volcanic effects on a gentleman's bits is a cottage industry over there along with the invention of euphemisms for said bits.

Captain Hate

Shocking that AllahEeyore is afraid of his own shadow. Or of Frum's or Mega McCannz's ginormout shadows. Oh the humanity...

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