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Captain Hate

His team doesn't have much to work with.

NK

Fabulous Snark: I'm concerned that the Dems/Left are waking up to the fact that Axel/Plouffe don't know what they are doing, they are just in it for the paycheck. Unfortunately, the Dems may change tactics now that they've caught on. OTOH-- if Bam steps in and says he's not impressed and personally takes over the campaign.... Happy Days!!!!

S Harms

My mother always said , "dont make faces, what if your face freezes that way? " I would say to politicians, "dont make faces, what is someone snaps a picture"
That is absolutely the ugliest face -- he may think it is expressive, I think it is ugly.

Danube of Thought

Dammit NK, send your e-mail address to hit.

matt

We are not impressed with Obama's efforts and record. How's them apples Mr. Preezy?

NK

DoT-- will do tonight.

Ignatz

--Obama is not impressed with his campaign team's effort and results--

Yeah, they've been doing a really lousy job limiting ticket sales to his events.
He won't rest until nobody shows up.

Danube of Thought

He won't rest until nobody shows up.

As Yogi Berra said when the Yankees' attendance was way down, "if people don't wanta come, there's no way you can stop 'em."

Thomas Collins

Obama should thank his lucky stars he has Axelmessplouffe as his team. The only way he can win is with a dirty slog type of campaign that slices and dices its way to, say, a 270-268 Electoral College victory (or, a 268-270 defeat that can be turned into a victory by turning some electors). I think Axelmessplouffe provides Obama with a better opportunity for doing this than any other conceivable campaign team.

One thing for sure. We won't be seeing articles in MSM about the horrors of the Electoral College and how the Electoral College may thwart the will of the people. Obama is the clear underdog in the popular vote, but still has a chance because of the Axelmessplouffe slice and dice team.

Now that I think of it, out of respect for Stephanie Cutter's slice and dice skills, I should rename Team Obama the Axelmessplouffecutters.

bgates

Remember how assembling the crackerjack campaign organization was executive experience enough to run the Presidency? Wonder what happened to those guys.

He must've inherited this new group of bozos from Bush.

Sue

He must've inherited this new group of bozos from Bush.

Ding. Ding. Ding. Clarice you have your Pieces.

Clarice

Great...bgates!!!

Janet

*Loser Alert*

Dem Sen. Jim Webb Says He Regrets Voting For Obamacare…

He said that he knew Obamacare was crap but that he voted for it anyway. Well done, Jim.

Thomas Collins

CH, I say keep officials on the field and replace the NFL Commissioner with technology!
I'll bet any computer person worth his or her algorithms could produce a set of instructions that would perform the NFL Commissioner's functions!

myiq2xu

"They stayed away in droves." - Samuel Goldwyn

Clarice

Big crowd in NH apparently.

I suppose the next time there's a lull in the clown show we can start anticipating debate questions and suggesting how RR should shove the certain abortion etc question right down their throats.

Clarice

Janet, from the first when he was so rude to GW, I assumed Webb had a giant screw loose. Nothing has changed my view of him.

daddy

Another group arrises to stifle Arctic Drilling by Shell this year.

"the Natural Resources Defense Council (NRDC) is urging the government to hold off on approving Royal Dutch Shell's plans for Arctic drilling until more information can be gathered about the project's environmental effects on the region."

For those not keeping score, Shell has previously stated that over 4,000 studies have already been done on the Arctic related to their drilling.

Ann

This will cheer you guys up:

Photobucket

Selling at Kenyon College,Gambier, Ohio

Captain Hate

He said that he knew Obamacare was crap but that he voted for it anyway. Well done, Jim.

Tammy Bruce was unloading on him so hard while playing his sound clips you could almost hear rhythmic thumping beats from his enormous empty head.

xbradtc

the man's ugly heart matches his ugly mug.

Captain Hate

Selling at Kenyon College,Gambier, Ohio

Dear God, when you've lost Kenyon that's it now that Antieverythingoch closed its doors.

maryrose

TC:
Do you recall anytime in history where electors were turned and the clear winner was denied the presidency? I am afraid of a too close scenario. In 2000 New Mexico was so close for President Bush and should have been recounted in my opinion. I expect fraud and illegal aliens voting with phony driver's licenses turned the tide for Gore. I really hope Romney and Ryan win by a sizable margin. Otherwise we will have "theft in progress " like the dems tried to pull in Florida and how they succeeded in stealing Minnesota from Norm Coleman. My sister recently met Coleman at a Repub picnic in Ohio this summer.He was robbed by Franken and friends.

maryrose

CH;
I agree with you. When you've lost a liberal college like Kenyon, you are toast. Of course if we hear any diisent from Oberlin College then we will realyy know it is over for Obama.

hit and run

Paul Ryan *is* impressed with this thread.

Threadkiller

Nobody's impressed.

dublindave

"We just need Florida...we just won Florida".


And Women.

Clarice

Katrina Trinko writes on NRO: An NRSC source just confirmed to me what various outlets have been reporting: If Todd Akin remains the Senate candidate, NRSC will invest no financial resources into the Missouri Senate race. Previously, NRSC had planned to spend $5 million.


Clarice

The Obama Disappointmints are for sale on Amazon.

NK

JimWebb-- I love that man-- BUT-- he obviously has not recovered from whatever mid-life crisis started about 10 years ago. I wish him well, but I hope he gets out of politics forever.

Sue

Akin will be on Hannity shortly to explain his comments.

Clarice

I guess the FBI was to busy checking swimsuits at the Sea of Galilee to check out DHS

From the NYPost:
WASHINGTON — Homeland Security boss Janet Napolitano’s embattled high-ranking immigration aide took a leave of absence following salacious new claims about the agency’s alleged sexually hostile environment toward men, while Napolitano herself indicated she is pondering stepping down.
Suzanne Barr, who has close Arizona ties to Napolitano, took a “voluntary leave,” according to Brian Hale, spokesman for the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency.
Barr’s leave, which began Tuesday, comes as two more male accusers claimed they personally witnessed Barr engage in lewd and hostile behavior with subordinates.


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/homeland_big_on_ice_lmvacjW6tWoz0HhmCuM75J#ixzz247FkGoAy

MarkO

"close Arizona ties to Napolitano>"

And you say she's just a friend.

Thomas Collins

Not recently, maryrose. I'll defer to others on whether faithless electors affected 19th century elections. My recollection is that the 1828 election went to the House, the Tilden-Hayes election was decided by a deal, not faithless electors, and the 1800 election, decided when the rule was the electors didn't distinguish between POTUS and Vice-POTUS when they voted, was decided when the Federalist contingent, on Hamilton's cue, decided Jefferson was a better bet to be POTUS than Burr. But those more schooled in American electoral history probably have a better take on these things.

If it's 269-269 or a close Obama loss this time, I have no doubt Team Obama will try to turn electors. From what I have seen of Team Romney's performance so far, I think Team Romney would respond in the manner of a street figher, not a RINO.

Threadkiller

This will be Akin's chance to appear smarter.

Hannity has that relative effect.

peter

Jim Webb, go sit in the corner with Althouse, Buckley and Noone. Turd.

Thomas Collins

How could anyone think the rank corruption and disgusting behavior by top DHS officials is more newsworthy than an ill-considered remark by a GOP candidate for Senate. Thank Gaia MSM has its priorities straight.

MarkO

Just what principle shall we use to handicap our potential success in support of someone who says such a vile and stupid thing in public?

Clarice

From The Root, which I think is the WaPo's blog aimed at blacks:

"As reported on Twitter by CNN's Pete Hamby, Ryan said he has a black sister-in-law, but perhaps even more interesting, his "college sweetheart" was African American.

So here is the million-dollar question: Is the fact that Ryan has dated interracially a noteworthy detail to consider when analyzing his politics and policies?

Here's a well-known phrase that has virtually become a punch line: When someone finds himself on the ropes facing an allegation of racism, the go-to reflex defense is usually something along the lines of "But some of my best friends are black!" Translation: "I can't possibly be racist or racially insensitive because there are black people I like and they like me. So there." Many of us are so used to hearing this -- and, frankly, dismissing it (remember George Zimmerman's media-friendly pal Joe Oliver?) -- that we long ago stopped asking, What if it's actually true?

Threadkiller

Br-Akin bad has clarified everything. He says his comment on rape forced pregnancy was "ill conceived."

Danube of Thought

"How could anyone think the rank corruption and disgusting behavior by top DHS officials is more newsworthy than an ill-considered remark by a GOP candidate for Senate?"

How could anyone think the candidate's remark wouldn't be irresistible to the press? And I might strike "ill-considered" and insert "gratuitous and preposterously stupid."

maryrose

" Ill-conceived and a campaign-ender...

NK

Tex Antoine was gone from WABC-NY7 about 35 years ago for straying into similar stupidity about rape. Of course , Tex had an excuse-- he was a drunkard.

Clarice

The anti Obama film 2016 is a major box office hit.

And there's a new book coming out:

In a book set for publication Tuesday, a politics and government professor at The Citadel claims President Obama’s 2009 health care reform law was, in part, a union-driven effort to organize 21 million health care workers.

In ”Shadowbosses: Government Unions Control America and Rob Taxpayers Blind,” Mallory Factor describes a December 9, 2008 memo from Service Employees International Union (SEIU) Healthcare president Dennis Rivera to the Obama-Biden transition team.

That memo outlined a legislative proposal calling for “increasing the capacity of the health care workforce” as part of a larger health care reform initiative.

http://dailycaller.com/2012/08/19/book-obamacare-law-designed-to-unionize-21-million-health-care-workers/#ixzz247NgbcF0

daddy

Dennis Miller doing a nice job demolishing some Lefty author's ideas in a new book about how wonderful it would be if the Progressive North seceded and it would turn into Utopia.

Dennis isn't buying it at all and continually asks the guy if he seriously thinks that Progressivism works? Guy answers in platitudes.

Dennis hammers the example of Detroit and the guy blames Boeing and the South for the problems of Detroit. Dennis responds, "Really, really, you actually honestly believe none of Detroits problems was due to their leadership over the last 60 years? It's all the fault of the South? Seriously?"

Nice to see Dennis call complete BS so politely. When the guy starts to discuss Southern Racism, Dennis responds with Biden's "Ya'll and chains, and then says "Biden is a moron and should shut up with that crap."

A gnarly but worthwhile segment.

Threadkiller

At the risk of causing a stir I will not females to chickens, even though it will sound as if I am.(this should go well)

We have several Plymouth Rock chickens. Over the years there have been times where coyotes, foxes, hawks and owls have tried to eat them. The coop held up well, so no casualties.

After the trauma the chickens quit laying eggs, sometimes for weeks. No eggs, no fertilization.

CHICKENS ARE NOT HUMANS.

If necessary I will go on Hannity to explain myself.

Some guy

Anyone else find it interesting that a new poster popped up in the prior thread?

Does anyone follow other blogs? Did any similar 'lifelong conservatives' or 'republicans' suddenly appear in the comments?

Does the Akin pile-on have a coordinated feel to it?

Threadkiller

...not compare...

Clarice

It's not worth discussing further..Akin's out. But his comment related to abortion for rape , a deeply unpopular position. Why he got into this, I cannot say but his views on this seem utterly irrelevant. There will never be a law passed which passes legal muster precluding abortions for rape victims.

Captain Hate

Does the Akin pile-on have a coordinated feel to it?

Yes. Maybe the donks are continuing their death wish by wanting to hold the Senate so there won't be a political solution for Bammycare even if Romney is in the White House. Jim Webb is proof positive that none of them can be trusted on big issues. Manchin's another person I wouldn't put any faith in.

Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

"Does the Akin pile-on have a coordinated feel to it?"
It's what they do, right? Compare this to the dog-on-rooftop story where Repubs fought back.
Compare to Chick-fil-A, where the social cons went to lunch.
In this case, the Repubs decided to join the pile-on. Hope it helps; though it likely only means the pilers-on will start selecting a new target.

Sue

Akin said on Hannity he is not out. He is in it to win.

Captain Hate

In this case, the Repubs decided to join the pile-on. Hope it helps; though it likely only means the pilers-on will start selecting a new target.

My spouse will stop beating me if I forgive this last incident.

Threadkiller

In 2010 the Whitehouse clarified that abortions will not be paid for, with government tax credits, "except in cases of rape or incest, or when the life of the woman would be endangered."
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/executive-order-patient-protection-and-affordable-care-acts-consistency-with-longst

In 2012 the DOJ changed the definition of "rape" and removed the word "forcible" so more people can claim rape.

http://m.whitehouse.gov/blog/2012/01/06/justice-department-announces-major-step-forward-combat-rape

Intentional?

Janet

Does the Akin pile-on have a coordinated feel to it?

Yes, Some guy.

Captain Hate

From TK's second link:

The new language also removes “forcible” from the definition of rape

The tachometer on Orwell's grave just red-lined.

Voldemort Delenda Est !                   Sandy Daze

re Jim Webb:
a successful man; Naval Academy graduate, combat warrior, lawyer, SecNav, principled departee' from government, Pulitzer winning author, script writer, author, inter alia, of "Born Fighting."

A man in search of a mission, decides to run in 2006 for and wins the confidence and trust of constituents, a position as a Senator from the Commonwealth of Virginia.

As a Senator and more importantly as a United States Marine, positions considered to among the most exclusive "clubs" in the world, he was similar to many of his constituents whom, like me, took a durable oath to "solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same"

We looked to his candidacy and eventual election as Senator for the Great Commonwealth of Virginia as an opportunity for a man of distinguished performance and renown character to bring a sense of civility, maturity and intellect to the Senate.

Alas, we were all too stunned with his lock-step support for the Voldemort administration that has proven itself to be the furthest to the left, most socialist and anti-American administration of all time.

Indeed, on any one of a significant number of votes, Jim Webb could have stood in the breech, defending the honor and integrity of the American Way Of Life. Like so many of his forebears, he could have recalled that he was born fighting and would likely (metaphorically) die fighting, but at least he would be remembered as fighting for America.

As it is, he will be remembered as a lackluster one-term senator from Virginia, who accomplished nothing of substance during his six years in the Senate.

His service in the Senate, probably the last time he will be in government, will be that for which he will most remembered. Some will hold the view that he was a traitor to the Constitution of the United States of America and to the ideals of the American Republic; I am not unsympathetic to that view. But, perhaps calling him a traitor is too unforgiving, given his previous service.

Thus, I will recall Webb as a disappointment of colossal proportions, of a magnitude perhaps only exceeded by his enormous ego.

Voldemort Delenda Est !
Sandy

Dave (in MA)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/republican-source-akin-moving-to-withdraw

He's out. He's not out. I would think the fact that he married his twin sister would be a bigger scandal.

Jim Ryan

Phyllis Diller, RIP.

49erDweet

Wow. So he says he's in it to win. Both stupid AND clueless. No wonder Palin saw through him so easily.

Jane - talk is cheap!

For some reason the Akin thing pisses me off. The Boston radio shows are even talking about it.

The NH town meeting was outdoors. Both Matt and I have quite the sunburn as a result. I had no intention of going but I returned last night to a text asking if I wanted to, and who could resist?

Lots of people. I have no idea what they did with the overflow. My friend was well prepared with an email from the Romney NH team that got us around the usual kerfluffle. If I had used press credentials it would have been even easier. The first person we saw was Joe Klein - who is so short I thought he was Robert Reich. I must make sure he is not telling lies on twitter.

They were about an hour late, which I attribute to traffic because otherwise it would piss me off.

All the buzz was about Ryan. Interestingly I was sitting with 3 people who can't vote - Matt, my friend is a citizen of the UK and on the other side, 2 Aussies. I was impressed with their devotion.

Ryan gave the same speech as in FL - which was disappointing. Romney's was better. The best part was the questions. Some tough ones - "what would you do in Afghanistan, my grandson is being deployed in 45 days".

At one point Romney called on an Yankees fan, told a funny story about the Red sox and the guy said brilliantly: "I support winners, which is why I support you.".

They did a great job talking about pro-growth policies and why increased taxes won't work.

I'll tell more when I remember it - grey goose at lunch has that effect on me.

derwill

Akin is still in the denial stage. Hopefully, he'll reach the acceptance stage within the next 24 hours.

I'm piling on Akin because I want the GOP to win the Senate. Period. And this guy just made it much harder, if not impossible, for us to do so. And frankly if you're pro-life, then you too should be pushing for this guy to go too, or do you want to make it easier for the Dems to keep the Senate and the Oval Office so we can get a Supreme Court that will rule after birth "abortions" Constitutional?

maryrose

Akin- At this point- stuck on stupid. Time to take the hit like a real man and step aside.

Clarice

Meanwhile--in matters where it counts (not make believe abortion blathering) Gibbs admits there are death panels in Obamacare:
Robert Gibbs Confirms Existence of Obamacare Death Panels
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They all laughed at Sarah Palin when she started talking about death panels. They aren't called that but the President Obama’s health care law empowers IPAB an “unelected, unaccountable” panel of bureaucrats to make decisions that will cause people to lose access to health care treatments. Who says so? After a bit of adept questioning by Fox's Chris Wallace--Robert Gibbs, Obama's former press secretary admitted: (if you cannot see video below, please click here)

http://yidwithlid.blogspot.com/2012/08/robert-gibbs-confirms-existence-of.html?spref=fb

bio mom

Romney asks him to take the next 24 hours and think what is best for the country.

maryrose

Not referring to you H&R.

self inflicted

Unfortunately, the "make believe abortion blathering", if Akin stays in, will result in a GOP minority in the Senate, the continuation of Obamacare and the creation of death panels.

peter

NK,anyone who remembers Tex Antoine and Uncle Wethbee is ok in my book.

Janet

Some will hold the view that he was a traitor to the Constitution of the United States of America and to the ideals of the American Republic;

I am in that camp. He knew, he KNEW Dem. legislation that he voted for was awful. His letters always said he was unsure how he would vote...but he always, ALWAYS voted with the Dems & their crap laws. That video is just him admitting that he knew all along that Obamacare was terrible.

NK

"Confucius say....."

maryrose

Janet:
I share your anger and frustration with Webb. He has been absolutely useless for the past 6 years voting in lockstep with his dem party. Disgraceful!

self inflicted

""Confucius say.....""

- He who has gas in church, sits in own pew.

maryrose

Sorry for so many posts but I just have to say we need campaign posters with the picture TM has at the top of this thread. Obama at his finest...There must be a campaign ad with this picture, or maybe a series of ads describing different issues and Obama's sour grapes attitude.

self inflicted

""Confucius say.....""

- He who go to bed with itchy butt, wake up with stinky finger.

Janet

The whole 'blue dog' Dem persona is a giant scam. Webb had a gun...that is it. Our other Senator, Mark Warner, was sold as a 'blue dog' Dem too. Nobody knows WHY he is one. I speculate that he went to church once. Anyway, it is a giant scam. 'Blue dog' Democrat = liberal Democrat that needs to be elected in a reddish/purple State.

49erDweet

TPM says Akin to step down tomorrow.

bgates

A guy in Missouri says that severe physical and psychological stress can negatively impact fertility, and suddenly 2012 changes from a historic rebuke of the Democratic Party to the ratification of Obamacare and the emergence of a permanent Democratic majority.

I bet Obama's impressed with his team now.

Dave (in MA)

Cleo say...
- and taste funny, too.

narciso

Same as with Manchin, in West Virginia, who replaced at least a zombie in Rob Byrd.

bgates

Confucius say

After revelations that a website known to be read by editors at the Wall Street Journal, a paper which endorsed Mitt Romney, repeatedly published an anti-Asian slur, there are growing cries for Romney to concede the 2012 Presidential election....

self inflicted

I never mentioned a permanent Democrat majority, but I will start if Akin is not out by noon tomorrow.

Porchlight

Does the Akin pile-on have a coordinated feel to it?

Yes.

Porchlight

I never mentioned a permanent Democrat majority, but I will start if Akin is not out by noon tomorrow.

For goodness sakes, go get some smelling salts. Sheesh.

Ignatz

This incident has me rethinking some of my positions.

1.Setting one's hair on fire is apparently actually a good thing, and;
2.One stupid statement by a minor politician in August makes many clairvoyant about the future of not just the senate but the fate of the entire nation itself.

Eric in Boise

"grey goose at lunch has that effect on me."

Thanks for taking one for the team, Jane!

Supposedly McCaskill is indicating that she'd like Akin to remain in the race. If that's true, I think that's a great argument for getting him out of there.

Didn't her camp support him in the primary because they perceived him the weakest candidate?

self inflicted

"One stupid statement by a minor politician in August makes many clairvoyant about the future of not just the senate but the fate of the entire nation itself."

Butterfly Effect.

narciso

Well if you singe the hair lightly, it's ok,
really what was his mindset, to allowed him
to keep rolling, facepalm with an Old one?

Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

"This incident has me rethinking some of my positions."
Me too.
Maybe we should also re-visit the Mitt tax return issue...and Chick-fil-A owner's position on gay marriage...and the dog on the car roof...Scott Brown's lack of sensitivity towards Liz Warren....whether the Koch Brothers should be allowed to spend their own money...
After pushing Akin over the cliff, who will choose the replacement? Will it go to the next one in line (from primary results), or will it be an unelected committee making the call?

Andrea Saul

"One stupid statement by a minor politician in August makes many clairvoyant about the future of not just the senate but the fate of the entire nation itself."


Tell me about it.

RichatUF

Janet-

Not sure what else people were expecting re: Webb. He was well supported by Soros' campaign.

Thank goodness for 2006, since we got rid of that perv Foley, a doubling of gas prices and unemployment, and "to fix it all" we got Obamacare for the trouble.

derwill

This Akin thing is a big deal because the national media are making it so, and they will keep on making it so as long as he's out on the campaign trail. It's what they do. And they do it because they want the Democrat to win every single race they're in, and using what one Republican says to beat up on all Republicans helps the Democrat to win. And so they do. Every time and all the time. And to think we can stop them from doing it by rallying around this losing cause is to be living in happy fairy dust land.

Jack is Back

So, what happens if Akin pulls out? Who replaces him and how do they do that under Missouri election law? Does the State GOP appoint a candidate? And who is the best candidate to take out McCaskill? Akin was up plenty in the polls, so it must have a lot to do with Claire and her profile/performance than this twit.

Who did Palin support?

self inflicted

"After pushing Akin over the cliff, who will choose the replacement? Will it go to the next one in line (from primary results), or will it be an unelected committee making the call?"

Akin did a cliff dive on his own. And as far as next in line: "Akin, who is running for U.S. Senate against incumbent Claire McCaskill, has until Tuesday at 5 p.m. to withdraw without a court order, according to Missouri election law. That law allows candidates to leave the ballot 11 weeks before election day, otherwise he would need a court order, which he can get up until Sept. 25. The Republican state committee would have two weeks to name a replacement, under the law."

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/political-fix/todd-akin-stands-firm-against-gop-pressure-for-him-to/article_5a8f74b2-eadf-11e1-8c55-001a4bcf6878.html?cid=print

daddy

Akin raped his own campaign. Apparently "that's really rare."

Now we'll see if he has an abortion by tomorrow 5 PM, or if instead his body has special ways to "shut that whole thing down" so as to preclude an abortion.

The Dem's are pleading, "Don't Abort, Don't Abort!"

The Repub's are demanding "Abort, Abort!"

My head hurts.

Jim Ryan

What did Akin mean by "legitimate"? As opposed to Crystal Gail Mangum or Tawanna Brawley kind of rape? I suppose that's a stupid thing to say. Is that what this is about? Sorry, but it's hard for me to grasp because it's such a boring tempest in a teapot that I start to nod off every time I read something about it.

Soylent Red

One stupid statement by a minor politician in August makes many clairvoyant about the future of not just the senate but the fate of the entire nation itself.

Missourians are only one step southward in pragmatic and reasonable virtue than my fellow Nebraskans, so I will offer my non-scientific opinion here in that spirit.

The voters in Mizz-uh-ruh will shake their heads and say, "What a knucklehead gaffe, but I'm sure he didn't mean it to sound the way it came out. It really is unfortunate that he is our alternative to McCaskill. But on balance, we want McCaskill out so..."

The voters in the rest of the country will say, "Those redneck wackjobs in Missouri sure will vote for crazies. But on balance, who gives a big rat's ass about one Senator from Missouri, and I want Obama out so..."

The tell on all of this is how badly the Moby wants us to make an issue out of it. If we don't make an issue out of it, it simply becomes another failed AxelSquirrel and goes away in a week or so. If he steps down, he becomes another feather in the cap of the MSM and the ACME Distraction Generator.

self inflicted

"since we got rid of that perv Foley"

For the record, I am anti toe tapping.

George Allen

Damn makaka...

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