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Clarice

It is sad, but the cost of feeding and vet care etc is quite a bit higher than one might imagine.

Sara (Pal2Pal)


We are doing our part to keep the numbers up. 4 dogs, 2 cats, 5 turtles, 1 bird, and 27 fish.

mockmook

RE: Soptic

The underlying premise of the ad is this:

Once a company hires you, they are obligated to never fire you and must provide you health insurance in perpetuity.

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Where was Mr. Soptic receiving health insurance before he was hired? Didn't he, by agreeing to be hired, show that he would be better off as an employee (even though there is always the risk of layoffs or other changes)? Did he sign a contract when he was hired that guaranteed him perpetual employment and benefits?

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That is how much of Europe became a basket case. Employees can never be let go, and they must receive extravagant benefits.

Danube of Thought

I believe that veterinary medicine is the most lucrative racket in America today, having overtaken dentistry around the time Belle left us and Fredo took her place.

Rick Ballard

Could be worse. If Barack "A Dog in Every Pot" Obama is reelected people will become more European in their attitude and dump the kids before eating the dog. A Fido lunch only goes so far, kids.

Clarice

Well, DoT, vets are performing and offering to perform more kinds of very expensive treatments these days, things old time vets knew their clients would not dream of paying for.

narciso

They've actually devised a mechanism for this,
austerity, meaning dialing the tax up to eleven, with 'Ombre Importante,' like Signor
Monti,

Carol Herman

This is what we're discussing this political season? Wasn't enough Romney traveled with his dog on the roof of the car?

At least McCain had enough brains to bring Palin in. Far into the future, Sarah Palin's name will be remembered. Even when people don't quite remember Quayle.

narciso

I was thinking the Latinate version of 'Top Men', Rick is more fluent so he'd know the right term.

centralcal

Clarice, I have a theory on your comment - all those Sandra Fluke-ites with their expensive birth control and unaffordable condoms, have to spare expenses somewhere. Hell, a child is with you till death you do part, and so is a pet, but their life span is much more financially manageable to a liberal.

Just think, if Sandra's parent had only bought a really rare, expensive, inbreed of a pet, they would be money ahead - even with rising Vet costs.

Carol Herman

Dogs have an uncanny ability to get better on their own. Given what they're willing to eat.

And, out where I live the town says you can't own more than 3 dogs. But cats? They go where they want to go.

The only thing you really need to do is "fix" your animals. I just had my puppy fixed. The vet's reasonable. And, when I went to pick him up a few hours after his surgery, he was jumping up and down greeting me.

Also, the only communications that goes to vets, are human voices. Lots of times humans are known to get very unrealistic expectations.

The other thing? When business is so good ... you get to see lots of vet places. (While we only have 23 vet schools in the entire USA. How come? States have compacts with each other ... trading off vet slots ... like we do at UC Davis; with forestry slots that exist in Oregon.) States don't do "treaties." That's for the Federal Government. States do "compacts." Or? Like NY and NJ having an "authority" ... because collecting tolls to cross bridges is very, very lucrative.

DrJ

The only thing you really need to do is "fix" your animals.

Grrrr. Neutering does not "fix" animals.

We have seen a huge increase in the number of cats looking for new homes since the economy tanked. We've taken in two, to add to the brood we have already.

jimmyk

Maybe Sandra could be "fixed" and that would solve her BC problem once and for all.

C.R.

We've two cats and an 8 yr old Great Pyrenees/Lab mix. I'm ready for a puppy but my husband has threatened to pull up the carpet and put down hay if I do.

Catdog

Woof, meow.

Melinda Romanoff

Small side issue with the now passed over GM news.

The Chi-nee style accounting that tots up vehicles sent to dealers as "Sales" has gathered some attention as that which flows out of pipe is starting to run out of room.

SCAM, Inc., indeed.

Ralph L

My boss finally realized that in addition to about 10 feral cats and 4 office cats, he's been feeding an unknown number of raccoons. They bathe in the water dish at night.

narciso

What the, wouldn't that be considered inventory,

Jim,MtnView,Ca,USA

"Woof, meow."
Catdog, shouldn't that be the other way round?

DrJ

he's been feeding an unknown number of raccoons. They bathe in the water dish at night.

Pigeons are rats with wings. Deer are rats with hooves. Racoons are rats with masks.

Ignatz

--Obama Eats Dogs, Abandons Cats--

Still beats what he's doing to the rest of us.

Janet

We will eat mac-n-cheese for every meal if we have to to keep Jess.

Clarice

What a cutie, Janet.

Janet

Vet care is expensive nowadays though. When I was a kid it was $3 for a rabies vaccination & that's all we ever did.

Dave (in MA)

We've added 3 cats to the household during the Obama regime. A mother and her kitten from a breeder that got into financial difficulty and had to give up all of their cats for adoption, and an adult from a shelter who'd been turned in by a guy who was living in his car. Cat litter has gone up by about 1/3 since then.

kave

I just had my 9 yr. old pup in for check up and rabies vaccination, heartworm check, distemper, kennel cough vaccination, and a couple other small things and the bill was $200 and then the vet checks her teeth. The bill for the rotten upper teeth removal will be between $200 and $300, if I have it done---are you kidding me?

Dave (in MA)

Misty, Dubya and Phaedra. Also, Bob, from a home that abused him, in '08.

xbradtc

The vet's reasonable. And, when I went to pick him up a few hours after his surgery, he was jumping up and down greeting me.

That's some vet.

How was the puppy?

DrJ

Very sweet, Dave.

Janet

They're great, Dave. Dogs, cats,...they're all good. I gotta find out about that hoppy dwarf goat Ignatz showed us. My neighbors would freak out.

I believe hit first posted something about a Nigerian dwarf goat years ago.

Frau Erziehungsverbrecher

Jess is worth all the mac-n-cheese there is. I can hardly wait to share the porch with that pooch.

Sara

he's been feeding an unknown number of raccoons. They bathe in the water dish at night.

My Mother had a similar experience when she took pity on a stray cat and put out bowls of food and water on her front step.

A couple of days of this went by when a neighbor stopped to tell her that every night when he took his walk, he saw a Mama skunk with her babies taking advantage of the bounty.

narciso

Can we have a photoshop with a pup, covering his face, here;

http://joshuapundit.blogspot.com/2012/08/cnnorcs-joke-poll17-weighted-in-favor.html

Janet

JOM cracks me up...I went to look for hit's old post on that Nigerian dwarf goat & I found this -

"(Alone, on toast or flat bread, clarice? As a child, my husband was the designated goat milker in his family. Needless to say, goat milk is a treat.)

Posted by: Frau Lebertran | October 29, 2009 at 05:53 PM "

You guys are some of the most interesting people in the world! Hah!

matt

We must have one of the best vets on the planet. When our Aussie was diagnosed with leukemia, he helped us do whatever was best for him. And he didn't charge very much.

Our 15 y/o Heinz 57 had/has glaucoma and one eye began to swell and popped. We thought it was curtains. The #2 vet came in and it turned out she was an animal eye specialist. Cleaned it all up and the critter gets around much better now that the pain and pressure were relieved. That was 9 months ago and I cherish every day with that dog.

Cat (legal name: Cat)was sprung from death row as a ratter. Cat does the job very well.

Turtle 1 (name withheld) is on loan to our neighbor's son while Turtle 2 lives on and off in the back yard. Turtle 2 shows up on the living room floor, usually around the Holidays. The family usually goes "oh look, it's Turtle 2" and goes about our business.

Frick & Frack are two of the most charming hooligans known in the Western United States. Frick is 100 lbs while Frack is 65. They will lick your eyelashes off and worship their companions including the neighbors young terrorists. However, if they sense anything awry they will eat your head.

The bees arrive tomorrow. We believe we have adopted a family of Anna's hummingbirds as well.

Right in the middle of suburbia. Bakuna Matata.

narciso

Oh, Janet, I got your magnet, I'm in a azure
district, though,

Dave (in MA)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTO4jJzZkY4
"Adorable dwarf goat knocks over playmates"

Sara

My dogs are my babies, but don't tell the boys.

Peekaboo "Princess" - Ramblin' "Rudy" - Fearful "Fred" - and Sweet Lil "Sugar"

Ignatz

I've had many cats and dogs and loved them all.
We have some very good friends who had a cat with leukemia or some cancer. They opted to do chemo on the thing.It cost a fortune and of course the cat croaked anyway. I personally thought they were somewhat insane.
I love pets, but they aren't humans.

Ignatz


OK I can make an exception for that goat.

Janet

Oh, Janet, I got your magnet, I'm in a azure
district, though,

Me too, narciso. I have it on my motorcycle, but not on my car.

Janet

Dave, one of the comments says - "he is a racist dwarf goat only knocks down the black goats"

Hahahahaaa!

narciso

OT, can you imagine how they wrote the grant proposal for this, in the LUN, lol.

Dave (in MA)

The 1st goat that gets kicked over acts like he's stunned.

narciso

It's way past to upbraid those who got the story completely wrong;

http://www.egyptindependent.com/news/thursday-s-papers-controversy-over-new-%E2%80%98islamist-editors

Ralph L

My boss gave our first cat, Pancake, an insulin shot twice a day for two years before he had multiple organ failure. I've never seen a cat friendlier with strangers, and he sniffed and often climbed on every vehicle that came on the yard, hence his name. He didn't have a meow, though, he squeaked.

Ralph L

It would be great if Romney actually ran an ad like that. It would get plenty of attention and effectively ridicules the O ad.

jimmyk

My boss gave our first cat, Pancake, an insulin shot twice a day for two years

There was a moving story a year or two ago in the Science section of the NYT about the early attempts to develop insulin treatments for diabetes. They tested the various formulas by injecting them into diabetic dogs. After many unsuccessful efforts, one day they gave an injection to this lethargic very sick dog, and suddenly the dog jumped up and started wagging his tail.

Sara

I have a friend with a diabetic cat. She takes that cat everywhere with her she can, otherwise she has to be home twice a day to give the cat its shots.

Ralph L

Fortunately, the boss lives a hundred yards from the office, but he still had to come over Sat even. and twice on Sunday. Pancake was put to sleep 16 years to the hour after my grandmother died, and my b-i-l died last year on the same day, July 14.

narciso

Remember this twir, he was featured in an earlier thread, in the LUN

Woofy McPoopee

Dogs and cats are disgusting. They make your house stink like piss and shit, plus they leave their hair over everything. You may not notice, but everyone else does.

daddy

Speaking of cats,

Just in from dindin with (Another) Bub and hubby. Wonderful time, deserving a better write up still to come, but thought it fun that they said they have a feral cat behind their house who they say for years now comes up on their back lanai every morning, demands food, then hisses at Barb when she sets out a bowl for the critter. It is mean, demanding, surly, always taking, and never expresses the slightest sign of thankfulness.

So when I asked what do they call it they both chipped in "Obama". Ha!

G'night.

Extraneus
If you have failed, somebody along the line ruined it for you. There was a lousy teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unfair American system that caused you to fail. Somebody benefitted from your demise. If you’re a loser, it’s not your fault. Somebody else made that happen. The Titanic didn’t sink on its own. Corporations and insurance companies made a lot of money off of it, so they must be complicit. The point is, when we fail, we fail not only because of our individual shortcomings, but also because others have teamed up behind your backs. Vote for me — I’ll punish the guilty and give you what’s rightfully yours.
Janet

Wonderful link, Extraneus.

Here is another good, serious post at Sultan Knish - The Minority Victim Value Index

Our citizens better wake up...

Appalled

Meanwhile, GM learns from its government masters how to deal with dissenters from the consensus. LUN.

Jane - talk is cheap!

My favorite pet story:

When I was in college, one of my friends got a call from home saying "come home for an emergency family meeting". Apparently the dog was sick and the fear was the cost of medical care was going to be enormous. They were a pretty wealthy family but there was a chance the 3 kids would have to get part time jobs to help pay their expenses. They took a vote and it was unanimous. No matter what it took, save their beloved dog.

A short time later the dog was cured and the bill came due: $217.00

Soylent Red

They make your house stink like piss and shit, plus they leave their hair over everything.

Speaking of hairy things that stink like piss and shit, have you been to Pitzer College, in Avery Hall, lately? There's some cat stalking around that place...hoo boy! I guess anarchy and soap don't mix.

Anyway...JOM meetup today!

sailor

OT--according to the latest polls which have Obama leading Romney by a lot, the negative ads by O are working. What do you all think?

Soylent Red

What do you all think?

Bah! Polls are skewed. Start worrying after the convention when people actually start to pay attention.

Harrjf

I had a cat for 18 years. Loved her. She was my buddy. In her 15th year I took her to the vet for a problem and learned that her kidneys were failing. Vet recommended a transplant for about $3,500. I could easily have payed but when I got done laughing I said to the vet "so you are saying she is going to die?". Second choice was low ash diet. Special food but got another 3 yrs. I'm with Iggy, a pet is a pet. Love'm while you have'm.

Thomas collins

Sailor, didn't the latest Rasmussen tracking number have Romney regaining the lead?

Melinda Romanoff

TC-

MFM will not air Rass, but the internal-less others.

And then they add the spin.

I think that's what sailor is seeing.

sailor

The poll I heard about was not Rasmussen but was cited on Brett Baier last night. Brett did mention that the poll was loaded somewhat towards dems, but he looked sad when he was citing the poll.

Janet

IMO repetitive negative ads DO influence non-news junkie Americans. People that work all day & just watch TV for entertainment - not the screaming cable news shows - will see those ads over & over. They don't hear the long explanations.

NK

Dogs and Man-- see link below for heartbreaking and magical story of the bond between man and dog. a 19yo dog with chronic arthritic pain may be best off going back to Jesus, but I'll never second guess a man who'll do whatever he can to ease his friend's pain while the dog's still alive. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2186373/Pictured-The-heart-melting-moment-man-lulls-arthritic-dog-sleep-lake.html

centralcal

Good morning. Has anyone heard back from daddy or (Another) Barbara or the feral pig about yesterday's meet-up?

NK

Don't ignore polls, but investigate their means and methods. More importantly, watch what candidates do-- Is Bam's troika and AxelPlouffe acting like they are winning?

Janet

Anyway...JOM meetup today!

Can't wait!

GMAX

Sailor

The CNN pollsters were so confident in their results that they did not provided any of the internals or cross tabs. Draw your own conclusions, I have.

The Fox poll was highly skewed see the last thread at + 9.

RAS has been measuring Indys consistently against Ds for what two years and the polarization looks set to me. In the last thread Ballard gave you the Indy numbers in Gallup which is still using an ADULT model. Still it shows movement towards Republicans over time, not the opposite. Now with an Adult poll, you must adjust toward Republicans as you move to RV and finally adjust again toward Republicans as you go to LVs. Magnitude of 5-7% swing and it could well be more due to the intensity deficit that everyone is picking up too.

In short, relax.

Stephanie

It was probably Fox & Friends doing the waaaa waaa on the polls that sailor saw. I saw it and thought no way. They were reporting something like an 11 pt spread and that Romney was "going the wrong way.". Laughable. They were all concerned about the trend and how he needed to turn it around and that the neg ads were working. Not according to my Facebook feed. He's a laughingstock with the "you didn't build that" and the lying. Folks I thought were apolitical are giving them likes.

Melinda Romanoff

Anybody else see Lisa Jackson's new 4 gallon minimum purchase of gas edict? ATV and motorcycle sales/use to take big hit on the E15 mandate games.

Janet

Here is that funny video of Fenton chasing the deer.

NK

Fenton! never loses its ability to make me laugh.

Stephanie

Not to mention lawn mowers and power tools Saw something on that yesterday. Nice way to force the illegal landscapers/contractors onto welfare.

Rick Ballard

"What do you all think?"

I believe the Romney campaign is the most well financed and managed presidential campaign of any in the past 24 years. They have correct polling data on hand and they are directing the campaign in a manner intended to influence the only demographic (unmarried women) susceptible to change.

There are two polling organizations which provide data sufficient to evaluate their performance. In terms of openness and clarity, I believe Gallup has the edge over Rasmussen this year. Anyone who cares enough to actually study the current political situation understands incumbent Presidents do not take a share of the final vote higher than their approval rating at the time of the election. Gallup provides the current approval rating broken down by demographic subgroup in accordance with the demographics derived from the exit polling from the 2008 election. Gallup also allows downloading of the complete data set in Excel format, updated on every Monday.

The President's approval rating as of Monday was 45% with a drop among women and among whites, offset in part with a slight increase among non-whites. My SWAG as to cause is the flailing desperation displayed in the Romney attack ads in combination with the truly pathetic GDP and job numbers.

There is a large caveat wrt the Gallup data. The electorate on November 6, 2012 will not be the same as November, 2008. President Obama has succeeded in driving away at least 18% of the Democrat Party at this point and I don't believe more than half of those driven away will return to the plantation before November.

The MFM/University dreck currently being published as "polling" would require someone with lengthy experience as a manure grader to provide substantive evaluation. I will only note that the CNN doesn't even provide a party skew and in that respect stinks slightly worse than the FNC polling which does supply a skew describing an electorate which simply does not exist.

The current state of play is the Obama campaign is flailing wildly while the Romney campaign has noted and is acting upon a perceived opening among unmarried women. The Romney campaign response extolling (pass the emesis basin) Romneycare was directed at the frightened feelers being driven away from Obama by the intensity of his attacks upon Romney.

I have absolutely nothing against criticism of the Romney campaign or its simulacrum but the criticism has to be based upon observations concerning campaign actions which might tend to offend the only "minds" susceptible to influence. There aren't many and they are concentrated among the feelers, not the thinkers.

Captain Hate

Just to let you guys know I'm in Baltimore now and will be at the meetup shottly

Captain Hate

Or shortly; damn iPhone

Danube of Thought

WSJ:

"The point is that more than any President we can recall, Mr. Obama isn't trying to persuade voters that he deserves to stay in office because of his philosophy, record or positive vision for the country. Rather, his case is that he deserves re-election because Mr. Romney is worse, and he is so very much worse because of things that were invented in the West Wing but are detached from reality.

"The entire theory of the Obama campaign seems to be that the more outrageous the claim the better, because the more you repeat it the more the media will talk about it, and the lie will achieve a kind legendary truth."

sailor

According to Laura Ingraham on her radio program just now, Romney is down everywhere except Missouri and 1 pt. up in NC.

Appalled

Rick:

Where are you getting your "unmarried woman" thesis from?

narciso

That's what the Fluke fracas was all about, it's totally a lie, but there is no bar to their lies, They still have nets out for 'Harvey the Hundred foot Sky Dragon', one recent commentary on Spanish TV, talked about it was the hottest weather in the history of
modern meteorology, and how the Consort is more popular than Obama himself,

NK

As JOM readers know I'm not as sanguine as RickB about November. I just don't see how 'Bam possibly goes down to 45% of the vote even in his worst case. I do think with the dead jobs market, gas and food prices rising again, home prices bouncing on the bottom, it is just about the worst case for Bam. And RickB is looking at the right public data. Gallup is the best data of overall registered voter 'sentiment' and their data is longitudinal for decades. Gallup shows us sentiment sucks. Raz has an excellent proprietary LV database, so he shows how the electorate is forming. Bam is stuck at 46-47% and not moving anyone. Finally, RickB rightly points out 'Bam's crew is flailing-- do they act like they think they are winning?--Hell No, they are acting desperate. So if Romney fight hard, but smart, and the Repubs/Tea Party get their votes out, Romney will win. Caveat: what do the Mullahs do?

Danube of Thought

Minus 16 at Raz today.

Trails Romney by 4.

NK

Thanks DoT-- I am plotting daily strong pos/neg from Raz. I am very curious about intraweek patterns this election year, plus the secular trend between now and Halloween when votes are locked in.

AliceH

--incumbent Presidents do not take a share of the final vote higher than their approval rating at the time of the election--

Really?

Looks to me like 2 or 3 of 5 did just that. But you're right - W's approval/vote% was essentially the same, and though Carter's vote% was much greater than his approval number, it was far short of enough to actually win. That leaves Reagan - the Great Exception proving a rule or something.

BB Key

Speaking of pets , Great story at Drudge on Big Sis' Gal Pals and male lapdogs .

centralcal

On the California home front, talk radio was abuzz yesterday about SB 1234, which already passed the Senate, is now in committee, slated to go to the legislature and on to Gov. Moonbeam.

So, what is SB 1234? A new state pension plan for "low income" earners, wherein employers who do not already provide 401(k) plans will be required to withhold 3% of employee's wages. Said withholding would be overseen by a 7-person board (a new bureaucracy). Oh, and if the pensions fail to perform with the return promised, the employer will be on the hook for the difference. In other words, another scam by the state to grab money.

That noise you hear, is small business fleeing California in droves, and even more takers flooding in.

BB Key

I have hated that Bitch since the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearing.

narciso

This is the thin gruel our local Clear Channel station offers;


http://www.610wiod.com/main.html

sailor

Well, I think my problem is this--I want Romney to be the candidate he is not. I want him to bring the fight to Obama and stop using silly slogans like "Obamabaloney." It is simply not in his make-up to do this, although he certainly did that in the Republican primary. So what can he do?

Jim Ryan

What is the chance of a GOP POTUS and Congress stopping the EPA nonsense and the lightbulb ban, and kicking ethanol out of gasoline?

hit and run

Alice:


Really?
Looks to me like 2 or 3 of 5 did just that.


Rick said "at the time of the election", and the Corner post you linked says, "The Gallup approval ratings for previous incumbents in August of an election year"

Rick Ballard

Appalled,

Demographic splits from the last Battleground poll. BOzo's whole 'Julia/Fluke' effort is centered upon maintaining support among single/no longer married women. His support among married women and especially married women with children has always been pathetic (black women excepted).

There will be another Battleground out shortly.

AliceH

--Rick said "at the time of the election", and the Corner post you linked says, "The Gallup approval ratings for previous incumbents in August of an election year"--

Note to self: Remember to read ALL the words before spouting off to the experts.

Thanks, H&R. Sorry Rick.

NK

JimRyan-- alas the Ethanol scam is completely BI-partisan; Midwest Repubs are strong supporters of that nonsense. When the budget slashing starts, Ethanol will go, but the biggest obstacles will be Repubs.

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