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August 14, 2012

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lyle

Ask any person who grew up under communism and their distrust of the media is genetically embedded.

Tass and Pravda were pikers compared to our own MFM these days.

Dave (in MA)
Actually, Doc outdraws and kills Ringo in the movie. And, in realy life, he likely shot him in the head with a rifle at some distance.
This is how it really went down.
DrJ

From World Wide Words, a Brit blog on language:

Q. What is the origin of the expression ‘I’ll be your Huckleberry’? What exactly does it mean?

A What it means is easy enough. To be one’s huckleberry — usually as the phrase I’m your huckleberry — is to be just the right person for a given job, or a willing executor of some commission. Where it comes from needs a bit more explaining.

First a bit of botanical history. When European settlers arrived in the New World, they found several plants that provided small, dark-coloured sweet berries. They reminded them of the English bilberry and similar fruits and they gave them one of the dialect terms they knew for them, hurtleberry, whose origin is unknown (though some say it has something to do with hurt, from the bruised colour of the berries; a related British dialect form is whortleberry). Very early on — at the latest 1670 — this was corrupted to huckleberry.

As huckleberries are small, dark and rather insignificant, in the early part of the nineteenth century the word became a synonym for something humble or minor, or a tiny amount. An example from 1832: “He was within a huckleberry of being smothered to death”. Later on it came to mean somebody inconsequential. Mark Twain borrowed some aspects of these ideas to name his famous character, Huckleberry Finn. His idea, as he told an interviewer in 1895, was to establish that he was a boy “of lower extraction or degree” than Tom Sawyer.

Also around the 1830s, we see the same idea of something small being elaborated and bombasted in the way so typical of the period to make the comparison a huckleberry to a persimmon, the persimmon being so much larger that it immediately establishes the image of something tiny against something substantial. There’s also a huckleberry over one’s persimmon, something just a little bit beyond one’s reach or abilities; an example is in David Crockett: His Life and Adventures by John S C Abbott, of 1874: “This was a hard business on me, for I could just barely write my own name. But to do this, and write the warrants too, was at least a huckleberry over my persimmon”.

Quite how I’m your huckleberry came out of all that with the sense of the man for the job isn’t obvious. It seems that the word came to be given as a mark of affection or comradeship to one’s partner or sidekick. There is often an identification of oneself as a willing helper or assistant about it, as here in True to Himself, by Edward Stratemeyer, dated 1900: “ ‘I will pay you for whatever you do for me.’ ‘Then I’m your huckleberry. Who are you and what do you want to know?’ ”. Despite the obvious associations, it doesn’t seem to derive directly from Mark Twain’s books.

Short question, long answer!

Porchlight

It doesn't seem to occur to her that people might willingly band together to do good things for the less fortunate.

To be somewhat charitable to those that believe this, often they think that the state is the only systematic way to reach everyone. Charitable orgs, especially religious ones, may do good work in some places but are seen to be 1) spotty and 2) not sufficiently regulated.

And also of course there is an underlying distaste if not outright hate for all thing religious - it is seen to be unfair and unconstitutional for the Salvation Army to subject homeless people to a prayer before feeding them, for example. Separation of church and state!!!!1!! etc.

So in their view, the state must take this role in order to even things out and make them fair and stuff.

jimmyk

Is Generalissimo Franco still dead?

I think when it becomes clear that Romney is pulling away, even the press, being spineless and unprincipled, may abandon Barry and start girding for the next battle. They will turn on him and suggest that his failures were due to his own flaws, as opposed to his flawed ideas.

That's my recollection of what happened with Carter. At some point the press started saying stuff about how he was a micro-manager and tried to do too much himself, couldn't delegate, etc. Never that his policies were full of carp.

NK

Porch IMO you give Althouse too much credit. IMO the only reason she supports Walker's reforms is because she's smart enough to realize that if Wisc went off the fiscal cliff, her pension would be jeopardized. She has a 'guaranteed benefit' pension plan, well, it's guaranteed only by the State's ability to pay -- so if her pension is made safer by an evil conservative, Ann says VIVA WALKER!!

MarkO

Even in 5th grade I couldn't get out of the second round of the spelling bee.

It's a long and complicated story.

I do like poker.

matt

and there I thought it was some kind of gay thing....

Danube of Thought

My favorite huckleberry scene.

centralcal

"It's rough for people like me who fear both the right and the left."

I read Althouse this morning and thought then as I do now - what a colossal crock of carp! Good grief, the woman voted for Obama. Oh yeah, yeah, he was all bathed in glorious filtered light by the media, but plenty of darkness still shrouded him. She sure as hell didn't fear much about the left when she went entranced into the voting booth.

So she married Mead and now wants to pretend she is some pure muddle voter thinker.

Not buying a bit of it.

lyle

Again OT:

I'm curious if any of you erudite readers here have read Pascal Bruchner's Tyranny of Guilt. I'm about halfway through it and find it incredibly thought-provoking and truthful.

jimmyk

An arguably necessary delivery mechanism, nothing more.

True. And it's an enduring mystery why her blog attracts such good commenters.

MarkO

DoT, that's the one I recall.

Jane - talk is cheap!

--The population of the U.S.hit π hundred million today--

The debt is reaching $16 trillion right about this second.

NK

JimmyK@5:08-- Book it. Late October the circular firing squad forms. The Lefties will say Bam was a failure because he didn't go far enough, the Clintonites will say it was because he was too radical, and the Legacy Media will say Bam failed because of the public's unrealistic expectations of the Once -- and it was Bush's faul!. Bam will say America is racist and not good enough for him -- and he'll make millions from the KSA and Gulf Sheiks as he gets back in touch with his Muslim roots. It will be a beautiful thing to watch.

DrJ

I gave up reading Althouse years ago, as I found her too precious. There's only so much navel lint I can tolerate. You mean the comments are worth reading?

lyle

They will turn on him and suggest that his failures were due to his own flaws, as opposed to his flawed ideas.

I think you're letting them off too easily. Seeems to me the narrative--once it's clear BoZo is going to lose--is that he's just too good and cerebral and this country doesn't deserve someone of his ethereal essence.

jimmyk

You mean the comments are worth reading?

Yes and no. They don't add much to what you get from JOM. They add a lot to Althouse's blog.

Clarice

How much longer will they string out Biden before yanking him offstage?

AliceH

I hope any JOMers in CT, FL, MN and WI will be keeping us apprised of primary results this evening.

jimmyk

The debt is reaching $16 trillion right about this second.

Please express your answer in terms of π.

marlene

Uh.Oh. Bob Beckel just dropped the F-bomb on "The Five." Maybe he'll be fired this time.

henry

AliceH, I'll stick around for a while... but if WI is close I'll catch some z's and check in the morning.

Anyone else remember Huckleberry Hound?

Sue

This is the scene I most remember it from.

Ranger

Actually, I don't think the recriminations will begin until after November. They will maintain the pretence of confidence up until the very end in the desperate hope something will change and they will pull it off.

By January though, rumors will start to circulate about how things really worked in the White House. It wasn't the ideal we were told! There were all these "people from Chicago" in there doing all the political deals, and that derailed the true liberal goodness of what was intended. By March they will be savaging Obama and the "Chicago Way" to save Liberalism.

NK

Huckleberry Hound-- a fine gentleman of the South!

jimmyk

Not letting them off easily, lyle--they'll just be rats abandoning a sinking ship. But it will be anything but his stinking policies that they'll blame, so it could be that he's "too good and cerebral" or "too aloof," some personality thing.

NK

Ranger-- you maybe right, but somehow I think the weasels on the Left will form that circular firing squad just before the election to claim "it wasn't MY fault."

MarkO

Is there reason to believe that those odd words ever came out of Holliday's mouth?

daddy

Just catching up and way behind, but on the previous thread RSE mentioned propaganda from NOAA and had this comment:

"A govt agency in a supposedly free country willing to do that has a lot to fear from that disclosure being public."

Re: NOAA, it's worth mentioning that back home an update is out about a suspended Arctic Climate scientist who's bogused up reports on Polar Bears had been used to dramatize Global Warming. The latest news is that the Journal Nature did a FOIA request and discovered he was being investigated by the Fed's, but the Fed's will not tell us what those findings are: Suspended fed scientist was investigated for conflicts in Arctic research


"Alaska-based federal Arctic scientist Charles Monnett was investigated by the federal government for perceived conflicts of interest in his job reviewing and overseeing research contracts, according to documents obtained by the journal Nature through the Freedom of Information Act. The government has told Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, a watchdog group assisting Monnett's defense, that the investigation of Monnett is over. However, the findings have not been made public or shared with Monnett because supervisors in his agency, the U.S. Bureau of Ocean and Energy Management, have not yet decided on a disciplinary action, if any, reports Nature."

I don't know enough to know if there is a "there" there, but the other ADN write up and the local Lefty Alaskan Dispatch Blog are heavy in Monnett's corner defending him. Thought this comment from an unconvinced reader at the Alaskan Dispatch made sense:

"What half-arsed reporting...
No mention that the suspension was over inappropriate behavior over assisting yet unnamed individuals from NOAA with access to grant funding and nothing to do with his polar bear research.
Consider that Monnett's wife works for NOAA and was also a reviewer on the infamous polar bear paper. Could it be that this scientist is being punished not as part of a scientific witch-hunt but because of nepotism and failure to follow the government rules on disbursement of funds?"

lyle

Maybe he'll be fired this time.

Seems like he's angling for it.

Sue

MarkO,

No. But don't spoil my party.

DebinNC

The "Obama Visits Beer Tent at Iowa State Fair" saga is fascinating. First, we're told his stop at the fair was unscheduled. He headed for the beer tent, which coincidentally was full of young supporters with signs. He ordered everybody over 21 to buy a beer (!!), and an obvious Obama voter asked if he'd pay for them. A "spontaneous" chant "Four More Beers" ensued, after which O magnanimously picked 10 lucky free-beer winners, but specifically eliminated a lone Romney guy there from contention. Today, the small business guy, a Republican, who owns the beer tent, claims Obama's unwelcome publicity stunt cost him $25,000 in lost business.

Janet

I don't know how anyone can be a Democrat today and look at themselves in the mirror.

Totally agree Derwill.

I love the movie Tombstone. Lots of great lines in it.
Doc Hollliday: "It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds."

Morgan Earp: "Look at all the stars. You look up & you think, "God made all this & He remembered to make a little speck like me." It's kind of flattering, really."

Clarice

Brilliant RR ad:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4gPvToKTWU&feature=player_embedded

pagar

"I don't know how anyone can be a Democrat today and look at themselves in the mirror."

Truest statement I've read today.

Sara

Andrea SAUL

Oh, that Andrea. So sorry. (really)

AliceH

Great find, DebinNC@5:37.

I read a related story linked from there about Obama's "Surprise Morning Workout", but couldn't figure it out. It was a surprise AND it was his third visit?

marlene

rse, we don't get NH radio here. When will your book be published? I recently asked my sister-in-law,who is a middle school teacher about her curriculum.She said oh,I write my own. Yes,but you must have guidelines I said. She said yes,the state mandates requirements.She looked a little confused when I asked about political agendas.Your research has been interesting to read.

matt

I perfer"

"And you must be Ringo. Look, darling, Johnny Ringo. The deadliest pistoleer since Wild Bill, they say. What do you think, darling? Should I hate him? "

or

"The Cowboys are finished, you understand? I see a red sash, I kill the man wearin' it!"

One of my favorite filums.....

lyle

"I don't know how anyone can be a Democrat today and look at themselves in the mirror."

Truest statement I've read today.

It may be true but I know a lot of Dems who can look themselves in the mirror every day and feel just fine. Their world is blissfully free of moral contradictions. That can't be hypocrites because the own the higher ground. They believe what all right thinking people believe. They don't waste time on self-reflection, they're absolutely sure in their judgement.

Danube of Thought

"Is there reason to believe that those odd words ever came out of Holliday's mouth?"

I'm reliably informed that the entire episode up to and including the OK Corral shootout has been grotesquely romanticized. The climactic event was pretty much murder by cop. But I'm a legend guy, so I'll keep that under my hat.

sailor

Well, Clarice, I really think that perhaps Biden does have a medical problem--other than being extremely dumb. Maybe dementia? Or something that happened to his brain while having hair plugs inserted?

DebinNC

From AliceH's link:
............................................
He [Obama] insisted on paying the $10 one-day entry fee, said manager Matthew Doughty. ... Secret Service agents packed the gym, where only a few others were exercising, but the only other staffer to work out was the White House photographer, who reportedly hopped on an elliptical.
............................................
Another in a very long line of revealing anecdotes showing Obama's total indifference re inconveniencing and adversely affecting others.

derwill

For the liberals I know it is a religion with them, and Obama is their messiah. If he loses, it would tear them apart to have to jettison their jesus in order to save the face of their faith. Although, it would be a pleasure to behold, In the end, I think, they'll just go with the Voter Are Stupid Racists excuse. Or if it's close, the Republicans Stole It excuse. And then, after the Romney/Ryan administration brings the economy back from the brink, they'll say it was all do stuff Obama did and those mean, murdering, felonious Republicans are stealing his credit.

Sue

MarkO,

I don't think Doc Holliday said all of those memorable lines, but I like to think he could have. He was an educated man. Wyatt Earp once said he Holliday had a caustic wit, so even if he never uttered one of those lines in real life, he could have. ;) And really, my hypocrisy knows no bounds, so even if he didn't say them or wouldn't have said them, I loved Val Kilmer's portrayal of him in that movie. Actually the only movie Val Kilmer was in that I liked him.

Clarice

Biden has had surgery in 1988 to repair two berry aneurysms on opposite sides of his brain. He was no genius before that, but I do believe he was stupider than ever after the aneurysms.

windansea

how come all of Obama's graphs always look like this?

Photobucket

AliceH

I suspect the rationalizations for Why-Obama-Lost-The-Election will be an "all of the above". Any and every excuse will be played out, contradictions be damned. Because being a liberal means never having to say you're coherent.

MarkO

Holliday was classically educated. He graduated dental school before he was 21. What's Latin for huckleberry?

lyle

on opposite sides of his brain.

How in the world did they ever locate that?

windansea

sorry clic on graph to see the whole thing

he's trending down to 56.6 on intrade

Rob Crawford
But it will be anything but his stinking policies that they'll blame, so it could be that he's "too good and cerebral" or "too aloof," some personality thing.

C'mon, we all know how the press and the left (BIRM) will explain Obama's failure. The US is just too racist for its own good.

AliceH

windansea: I love that chart. I can almost hear the chortling on 8/11 "he picked RYAN? OMG Obama's got it in the bag!" followed by... uh "where did all those people come from in Highpoint?" and... by 8/12... "SELL SELL SELL!!"

Sara

Today is VJ Day.

lyle

uh "where did all those people come from in Highpoint?" and... by 8/12... "SELL SELL SELL!!"

That's when Mortimer suffers his heart attack on pit floor.

Captain Hate

You mean the comments are worth reading?

Yes and no. They don't add much to what you get from JOM. They add a lot to Althouse's blog.

bgates gets some HOF zingers in over there. To her credit she doesn't delete them; to her discredit she doesn't reflect on why she provokes them.

daddy

Saw a Chinese guy in Hong Kong yesterday wearing a T-Shirt which said "I Love Business."

"Love" was the heart sign, as in "I heart Business."

I think such a shirt might take off over here.

Sara

Cow kills Irish pensioner

Be careful doodoo.

rse

marlene-you are in maine, right? There is an ed lab there so it has been doing OBE in many ways for more than 20 years.

I am stunned by how much relevant has come out since I finished. I had to put it aside while I started to get people's attention that you could be single with no kids and this will impact you because it's a means to a collectivist social, political, and economic transformation. In place before people know what hit them especially when joined with Agenda 21 and Building One America.

If you read the blog you will have a solid feel for what is coming and why it matters. We need November to be partly about the fact that this is unacceptable. It's like that RR ad Clarice just linked. That helps create the authority to fix if elected.

I don't want Reps afraid anymore to cut ed funding when they are really paying the costs of the Formosan termite buffet of the foundation.

The book is necessary for understanding all the elements and how we got here and how it affects us. It can wait. But not for long I hope.

Nothing I wrote has been contradicted since I finished in March. It just became overwhelming and taught me the dialect I needed to know to translate the onslaught since.

Off to a parents meeting at the high school with the cutting edge reform programs.

Where's that legal pad?

bgates

Tombstone also has the perfect conservative reaction to Obama's defeat.

GMax

They don't waste time on self-reflection, they're absolutely sure in their judgement.

Well this is Texas so Democrat are rather scarce by definition, but the only democrats that I know ALL have mental issues. manic depressives, obsessive complusive etc. The bluster if there is any, is just a front to cover huge issues of their own adequacy.

Danube of Thought

Best scene in the whole flick.

RichatUF

It was Obama’s third visit to the gym, Doughty said. He normally gets on a stationary bike as well, but apparently decided to forego that today.

I'm surprised when the sun comes up in the east. Every morning.

GMax

BTW did anyone else notice Gallup polls had Romney up by 2 today? Remember their comment about converting to LV and it being a hidden advantage to Romney? So add that on to the lead, and then there was their comment about if the enthusiasm gap continues Republicans could outnumber Democrats at the polls in November, and that did not even happen in 2010.

No it did not, but almost certainly will this go round.

Chickens coming home to roost Zero.

Carol Herman

There's a real fight now! As it should be. Every 4 years Americans are given an opportunity to vote for the President.

This one started off slow. Then Romney chose Paul Ryan. And, his campaign took off.

Given that the clock moves East to West, on Election night, itself, people across this country will be tuned in. There was a time I thought this gave Obama the edge. His "edge" has shrunk the way Jimmy Carter's edge shrank back in 1980.

And, yes. Things can change on a dime. So? It never pays to get cocky.

Jim Rhoads a/k/a vjnjagvet

Ryan did a fine job in his interview with Brit Hume tonight on Special Report. He is off to a good start in simplifying his message and trying to stay out of the weeds. With honing I think he will be very effective.

Rick Ballard

My guess is the Romney campaign has made known names will be taken and access denied to MFM propagandists who go too far (vide Sununu exchange with Soledork Obrian).

We have seen propagandists suggest the Truman campaign, the Reagan campaign and lastly the Bush '04 campaign as models for the Obama "comeback". Even the dumbest of the propagandists are now aware that while Obama's approval ratings in May were close to where Bush was in May '04, Bush improved to 51% at this point in August '04 while Obama sits at 45%.

They also know Romney will not play the Bush "forgive and forget" game. I wonder what the juiceboxers will do for their bread after Obama's defeat?

Extraneus

He normally gets on a stationary bike as well, but apparently decided to forego that today.

Did he do the 70 lb dumbbell curls? I want to see that.

Danube of Thought

Bulwer Lytton award wiiner:

"She gazed into his eyes and noted the infestation of eyelash mites."

Janet

Actually the only movie Val Kilmer was in that I liked him.

I liked his character in Willow.

Extraneus

I like this strategy.

Giuliani Wonders Whether Biden Has ‘Mental Capacity’ for Presidency

If they change horses now, Rudy will deserve some of the credit.

Keep hammering Biden so they can't sweep him under the rug.

Jane - talk is cheap!

Seeems to me the narrative--once it's clear BoZo is going to lose--is that he's just too good and cerebral and this country doesn't deserve someone of his ethereal essence.

The narrative should be the media is corrupt,biased , bought off and as responsible as Obama for destroying this country.

Ryan has to learn not to talk over the questioner, if for no other reason than what he has to say is so important.

This is the most upbeat I've been about this election in 3.9 years.

Jane - talk is cheap!

Chelsea Clinton says she hasn't ruled out a run. Obama can replace Biden with her.

Clarice

Are we all working on our Let Biden be Biden signs?

Porchlight

My guess is the Romney campaign has made known names will be taken and access denied to MFM propagandists who go too far (vide Sununu exchange with Soledork Obrian).

I think so too and I hope it means that MSM bias will be addressed at the debates by both Romney and Ryan.

windansea

Posted by: Carol Herman | August 14, 2012 at 06:39 PM

so now you want a seat on the RR express cuz you feel the tide is turning with Ryan pick>

there may be room in the caboose, we'll check and get back to you

Ignatz

Anyone else remember Huckleberry Hound?

Posted by: henry | August 14, 2012 at 05:27 PM

I thought that's who we were talking about this whole time.
You mean he didn't have a shootout with Quick Draw McGraw playing Ike Clanton?
Guess I'm lost as usual.
And don't even get me started on Tennessee Tuxedo as 007.

AliceH

--This is how it really went down.--
Posted by: Dave (in MA) | August 14, 2012 at 05:06 PM

LOL, Dave! I didn't watch that link until just now (a bit of video overload). That episode always gave me the creeps. Well, not the episode, just the cheesy set - I was worried some fake wall or "background scene" was going to fall over. That and the bullets had a weird "bang! WhhoooaaaH" sound effect.

NK

Tennessee Tuxedo? wasn't Don Adams the voice?

NK

Star Trek at the OK Corral? Ugh, a top 3 worst original Star Trek episode.

Janet

Dennis Miller on FB -
I wish the old woman they show Paul Ryan pushing off the cliff in the commercial was Pelosi.

Extraneus

Heh.

Soledad O'Brien Caught Reading Liberal Blog During Heated Debate With Romney Adviser

centralcal

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog

Joe Biden reminds of a simpler America, when a kid could go to the local drug store and buy cough syrup and model glue and leaded paint.

NK

Tennessee Tuxedo-- why yes Don Adams was the voice, but I'd completely forgotten about Chumley the Walrus! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0214375/

Danube of Thought

Only bgates can rival Iowahawk.

Extraneus

Whistle-blower, documents: Ill. state workers forced to attend Pelosi, Jesse Jackson Jr. event on taxpayer dime

According to the whistle-blower, Rev. Jackson also encouraged the government employees to load first-generation and low-income college students up with student loan debt — because Democrats in Congress, he allegedly promised, would eventually pass laws to forgive that debt later. “[T]hose people will continue to vote Democratic,” Jackson Sr. said, according to the whistle-blower.
Pops

Romney should say Biden is right. For all those who had to sell your gold bling in the Obama depression, Romney will give you the opportunity to get your chains back!

JM Hanes

Ranger:

"By March they will be savaging Obama and the "Chicago Way" to save Liberalism."

By March, they'll have persuaded themselves that the only reason they lost was because they weren't willing to get down in the gutter and fight dirty the way Republicans do. That is the inevitable end point of liberal introspection.

GMax

While wallowing in the gutter they will convince themselves they were unwilling to get down in the gutter. Well delusion and Democrats go together like strawberries and whipped cream...

Jane - talk is cheap!

So sad and true JMH.

J. Fred Muggs

When we vote we vote for monkeys.

Biden Obamba for ignonomity.

OldTimer

Has Obama earned your vote?
I wonder how many of these folks are headed for the R&R antidote...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl41JUXi9lU&feature=inp-tw-sf2

GMax

The other interesting point was a GWU poll that Politico had that had Romney up 10% with Indys. If that is correct, the race is over. It will be an absolute blowout.

NJ Jan

JM Haines,
I agree. They are always the victims.

maryrose

With his comments, Biden has become a useful idiot for republicans. Clarice has it right, Let Biden Be Biden!. It's helpful to us and makes the Obama team stay stuck on stupid.

GMax

This reminds me of some self loathing types in the US:

As a rising star in Hungary's far-right Jobbik Party, Csanad Szegedi was notorious for his incendiary comments on Jews: He accused them of "buying up" the country, railed about the "Jewishness" of the political elite and claimed Jews were desecrating national symbols.


Then came a revelation that knocked him off his perch as ultra-nationalist standard-bearer: Szegedi himself is a Jew.

Following weeks of Internet rumors, Szegedi acknowledged in June that his grandparents on his mother's side were Jews — making him one too under Jewish law, even though he doesn't practice the faith. His grandmother was an Auschwitz survivor and his grandfather a veteran of forced labor camps.

Since then, the 30-year-old has become a pariah in Jobbik

David, infamous sockpuppet

Since then, the 30-year-old has become a pariah in Jobbik

I HATE it when that happens.

Jane - talk is cheap!

It looks like the whole internet is talking about Biden's brain damage (well the whole internet I know about).

Jane - talk is cheap!

BTW I heard earlier that Horschak died today. (I have no idea how to spell that)

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