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Rob Crawford

I think the important thing is she used user Massachusetts address on filings as her place-of-business, which means she was practicing law in a state in which she was never licensed.

Clarice

In 1986 or '87 (I forget which now) she was admitted to the Texas bar. She took inactive status at some point unknown. We do not know when she joined the NJ bar but as you noted she (suspiciously) dropped that entirely on Sept 11 of this year and under their rules we an now not learn when she joined it. She never was a member of the Mass bar. She never listed that fact on any pleading or stationery that we know of. She never had a law office outside her HLS office when she participated in all those cases in the 1990'2 that LI found.

narciso

Is there a difference between a party filing an amicus brief, and direct counsel, one of the case REBA v. National Real Estate Information, concerns
ironically, 'unauthorized practice of law' and one can't help consider Charles Fried's part in this,
I know in real estate, the agent is responsible for all parties being licensed.

Danube of Thought

Was she ever admitted to practice before the supreme court of either New Jersey or Texas?

narciso

This is the case, I was referring to,


http://law.justia.com/cases/massachusetts/supreme-court/volumes/459/459mass512.html

so it seems 'Suits's is more true to life, than at first suggested.

maryrose

Someone tipped her off about the New Jersey license and the potential damage it would cause her if she didn't let it go.Unexpectedly, she is now caught red-handed{Cherokee reference} by the people she hopes to represent. Can anyone now put a fork in her and call her done?

Jack is Back

Maybe she is licensed by the Cherokee Nation:)

narciso

Well we can say, she had more experience with the subject than most;


http://law.justia.com/cases/massachusetts/supreme-court/volumes/446/446mass330.html

narciso

What do they say, about the third time, being enemy action;

http://masscases.com/cases/app/10/10massappct142.html

James D.

As to the possibility that Ms. Warren, in her role as leader of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and head cheerleader for the nanny state, is more comfortable writing rules for others to follow than she is in following rules herself, well, time may tell.

I'd say time has already told on this one.

matt

When you're losing Dana Millbank...kinda...LUN

Jim,MtnViewCA,USA

Polls are inexplicable this cycle...
First we have the Insty link to an Ohio poll which shows BHO and RR tied in Ohio...with a D+10 (!) sample.
http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2012/09/24/obama-and-romney-neck-in-neck-in-oh-poll-with-d10-sample/
And now I get an email from Club for Growth saying the Repub Sen candidate Jeff Flake's lead has evaporated.
"According to a PPP (Public Policy Polling) poll taken this month Flake is only leading his Democrat opposition, Richard Carmona, 44-43 in the Arizona Senate race.
Essentially, the race is tied. ....
In May, PPP polling showed Flake with a 44-25 lead."
PPP is not one of the trustworthy ones, iirc? Is CfG trolling for dollars or is Jeff Flake really in trouble?

Janet

Dem Warren never licensed to practice law in Massachusetts

pathetic ending of the article -

"However, Robert Boatright, a political science professor at Clark University, said the attacks on Warren could backfire.

"It's an awful lot of negative stuff," Boatright said. "The danger for Brown is overkill.""

Yeah, Robert....Ol' Brown might find out even MORE lies by Warren & that could really hurt him. Good Lord.

narciso

I'm trying to figure what side of the argument she
was on here;


http://law.pinfolio.com/us/544/320/syllabus

DebinNC

Above the Law blog consults Larry Tribe and others and concludes that Warren "has dodged an arrow" since she was dabbling in law and not "practicing" it.

Rob Crawford
Polls are inexplicable this cycle...

No, they're not. They're lying.

PPP is the polling arm of Daily Kos.

Rob Crawford

AFAICR, that is.

Rob Crawford
Above the Law blog consults Larry Tribe and others and concludes that Warren "has dodged an arrow" since she was dabbling in law and not "practicing" it.

What utter twaddle. No one but a Democrat candidate could get by with what she did.

narciso

Yes, they dropped their previous outfit Research 2000, after the fraud was too obvious for them.

Janet

That will be a great tag line for future use...
No one but a Democrat candidate could get by with what she did.

No one but a Democrat candidate could get away with that! Hah!

Captain Hate

Even F Chuck is shocked that the JEF has no one-on-ones with foreign leaders.

Clarice

Jim, trolling for dollars.

DebinNC

Discussion at Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly blog re whether or not Warren "dodged an arrow".

narciso

True, but that kind of hackitude, doesn't reflect well on them, they are supposed to be numbers savvy.

Btw, Kos 'unexpectedly' wasn't that conscientious,
the stats stank like Mackerel in June

Clarice

Tribe is so full of it--She advertised as "law office" not dabbler. How fanciful do you now think my theory is that professors like Gates and tribe took Obama under their wing and enrolled him in independent studies with them so they could give him high marks when he knows bupkis about the law and cannot even write or read standard english?

MarkO

All it takes is a complaint filed with the Bar. See if she can dodge then.

Threadkiller

I don't have a Facebook account so I can't verify this.

"A few good people in Hollywood have retained their sanity. ANDY GARCIA, Steps Up, and and Stands Down Obama.-Via Mindy Beyer

From actor Andy Garcia….. “After watching Mr. Romney on 60 Minutes I was reminded there is nothing to discuss. Mr.Romney is the right man for the job and we are very lucky to have him applying for it, it’s actually a luxury. Mr. Obama doesn’t even come close as he is noth ing but an old used and boring joke. Actually Mr. Obama is very lucky he is not sent to jail for treason.” “Actually, is very easy to understand the fact why Mr. Obama doesn’t understand the USA or the West has enemies, a sad but true fact -proven through the last two Millennium – who want us subjugated or dead (not so much because he is dysfunctional, ignorant or stupid…) it’s because HE is the enemy.” “Obama’s record isn’t just “not good.” It’s atrocious, and his foreign policy misadventures are the epitome of incompetence. Even so, we must confront the reality that most voters won’t take the time to familiarize themselves with the facts. Therefore, it’s our job to tell them, and hopefully we can persuade some of them or even most of them to look at Obama’s record objectively. If they do, they will conclude that what Donald Trump and many others have said about him is true: “President Obama is the worst president in this country’s history.”"

https://www.facebook.com/BreitbartOneSilencedMillionsAwakened

(Hat tip Zach at CitizenWells)

Rob Crawford

She put her name on court filings as "of counsel" and put an address in Mass -- to this layman, that sounds like she said she practices law in Mass.

Old Lurker

Oh come on, Clarice. All we have to do is look at his transcript, right?

narciso

Quite plausible, and he lectured on critical race and legal theory, under the guise of law, because that's what he learned from Bell and De Unger.

'It's a travesty of two mockeries of a sham'

Threadkiller

It is about as fancyful as the theory I have on why Tribe was consulted on the definition of "natural born" by the Dem Denators.

Clarice

*face palm* of course, OL. What was I thinking?

DebinNC

via MLW blog comment: How Harvard is bringing in the $$$$ for Warren. HLS Profs Tribe, Wilkins, and Ogletree have all held fundraisers for Warren and much more.

Janet

I tell ya, Warren & Obama are a matching pair. Phony backgrounds, sketchy law license business, questionable publications,...

narciso

Well Fried was a party to her being hired at HLS, right, and upheld the Commerce Clause theory for Obamacare, that even John Roberts, (the bile rises a bit there) didn't buy, then again he is one of his pupils as well.

Rob Crawford
HLS Profs Tribe, Wilkins, and Ogletree have all held fundraisers for Warren and much more.

Did Tribe disclose his role as a fundraiser when he "exonerated" Warren?

If not, isn't that an ethics violation?

Clarice

Add Wilkins,Bell and Ogletree to the list of Obama's probable independent study professors.

Rat's nest at HLS.

Janet

...both groomed for greatness & given speaking slots at the Dem Convention.

Rob Crawford
I tell ya, Warren & Obama are a matching pair. Phony backgrounds, sketchy law license business, questionable publications,...

They're the "progressive" ideal -- 'minorities' who think like White, Urban progressives; who are entirely beholden to the progressive infrastructure for their place in life; who haven't got a mind of their own and are nothing but sock-puppets for the progressive infrastructure.

I betcha if we looked at Gorelick's academic and professional history we'd find just as much a lack of rigor.

Danube of Thought

I posted this yesterday but it bears repeating:

Massachusetts Conveyancers Ass'n, Inc. v. Colonial Title & Escrow, Inc., 2001 WL 669280 (Mass.Super. 2001)

Whether a particular activity constitutes the practice of law is fact specific. Matter of Shoe Manufacturers Protective Association, 295 Mass. 369, 372 (1936). While a comprehensive definition would be impossible to frame what constitutes "the practice of law", in general, consists of:

"[D]irecting and managing the enforcement of legal claims and the establishment of the legal rights of others, where it is necessary to form and to act upon opinions as to what those rights are and as to the legal methods which must be adopted to enforce them, the practice of giving or furnishing legal advice as to such rights and methods and the practice, as an occupation, of drafting documents by which such rights are created, modified, surrendered or secured ..."
Id.

DebinNC

Harvard Crimson 9-16-12:

"Law professors David B. Wilkins ’77, Laurence H. Tribe ’62, and Charles J. Ogletree have all hosted or co-hosted events for Warren, donating between $2,500 and $5,000 each while helping to bring in hundreds of thousands more in support. Law professor Jeannie Suk will co-host a fundraising gala for Warren next week. Wilkins and Tribe, who helped recruit and hire Warren to the Law School faculty in the 1990s, were also integral in defending the candidate against accusations that she deliberately misled the school into believing she was a minority during the hiring process."

Sheesh.

tollhouse

Since dems will vote for anyone with a (D) after their name, what realistically can be done? She can't be disbarred being not part of the bar. She can't be fined can she by the bar because she isn't a member. I doubt that anyone is going to go after her for civil malpractice.

It's just another piece of civil custom that is being discarded by the Democrats in their pursuit of power. Integrity, character, honesty, mere "bumps on the road" to power.

narciso

Speaking of the zelig of disaster, she still wages havoo in many corners, in the LUN

Ranger

I do have to say that "dodged an arrow" is odd phrasing. I always heard that phrase as "dodged a bullet. A little subliminal reference to her "Native American" past?

Clarice

Because these professors finagled their way into HLS' faculty they feel entitled to run the country by any means--including the most obvious lies and coverups--at their disposal.

Captain Hate

How fanciful do you now think my theory is that professors like Gates and tribe took Obama under their wing and enrolled him in independent studies with them so they could give him high marks when he knows bupkis about the law and cannot even write or read standard english?

I believed it the first time you posted it.

bgates

re whether or not Warren "dodged an arrow"

Obviously she would have dodged a bullet.

Arrows are shot at the cowboys....

Clarice

As I recall Tribe slipped up and gave us a clue when he said he and others on the faculty considered BO a colleague, not a student..

Clarice

jacobson update--re SOB in BBO's office playing weasel

ttp://legalinsurrection.com/2012/09/no-mass-board-of-bar-overseers-has-not-exonerated-elizabeth-warren/#more

Janet

Obama at the UN -
“I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity. That is what we saw play out the last two weeks, as a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage throughout the Muslim world. I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity."

bold mine
I just want to say that I do not reject the message of that crappy video. The video portrays Muhammad as a madman that is making it up as he goes along according to what he wants at the moment. A power hungry, perverse, sick, murdering thug. I do not disagree with that assessment of him or his religion/political system.

Janet

I believed it the first time you posted it.

Me too.

bgates

Advantage: ranger.

Jim

She fits right in with other dems.

You have a menu writer who eats what she wants. A tax writer who doesn't pay taxes. A tax collector who doesn't pay taxes. A banker who prints his own money. A lawyer and a couple of governors who use other peoples work. They are all dems. So, a regulation writer who ignores regulations fits right in.

ABO becasue OMG  !           Sandy Daze

You HLS graduates: What are the implications of HLS doing nothing in the face of Warren's trespass? Is HLS so big and powerful that it can afford to have its reputation sullied by the likes of Warren? If HLS Profs Tribe, Wilkins, and Ogletree (and, presumably, others) are in the tank for Warren does her lack of professional decorum mean nothing, nothing at all?

Does anything count at HLS? What are standards? Is the vacillation in response to this latest revelation akin to the left's destruction of America's Constitutional foundation? That is, the rules are what we say they are, whenever we say so; situational ethics?

Is that the lesson HLS is teaching, the truth is whatever we want it to be?

IANAL, I don't play one on TV. Am not even a sea-lawyer.

But, ISTM that what Bill Jacobson exposed should be a concern to anyone believing in the integrity of a system & reputation developed over centuries, i.e. HLS.

His latest No, Mass. Board of Bar Overseers has not exonerated Elizabeth Warren is another useful addition to this discussion.

Danube of Thought

No one who has studied first-year property at a good law school could imagine Obama doing well at it. Nor antitrust or corporate finance. I can listen to him speak, and read things he is known to have written at the time, and I know it did not happen.

Surfin' the Tubes

Heh, DoT, nice contrib over there. It looks like they moderated out my contribution:

Flipped on a channel,
Yogi the Fredrickson Bear:
Dabble Dabble Do!
==========

Captain Hate

The JEF is still excusing the murder of US citizens by people protesting his policies. I hope the majority of voters see this as what it is.

DebinNC

BOzo: "I have made it clear that the United States government had nothing to do with this video, and I believe its message must be rejected by all who respect our common humanity."

Janet, your excerpt has Obama repeating that sentence twice in succession. Is it too much to hope that that's exactly what he did before a group of "world leaders", and not a simple typo?

Clarice

Thank you, DoT.

dublindave

Does she have a license? Is she a Cherokee...this is so gay???!!!

If Republican's control the senate they'll dismantle the Affordable health care act...roll back regulations on Wall Street and give billionaires and millionaires a tax break while gutting entitlement programs.

It's not rocket science......

Jane - Get off the couch your country needs you!

I just resigned from my radio show.

Long story - my decision - and I think it was the right thing to do.

I'll wait until after the election to see if I want to find a new one.

Captain Hate

End of an era, Jane; I enjoyed listening to you. You have a great radio voice.

DebinNC

Oh dear. Sorry to hear that, Jane.

dublindave

"I just resigned from my radio show."


So you're one of the 47%????

The Irony.......

Jim Ryan

Gee, Jane, I hope to hear the story sometime.

centralcal

Golly Jane - don't know whether to say, I'm sorry to hear that or congratulations. Only you know what works best for you, and if you resigned today, it must not have been working!

Danube of Thought

Sandy, I have no idea how or whether HLS polices itself on matters of this kind.

Is she on the faculty as we speak?

Rob Crawford

Wow, Jane.

I bet you land on your feet with something better!

DebinNC

I'd have had to quit for health reasons long ago, or I'd eventually have shot "Dick" deader than a doornail.

Rob Crawford

Made the mistake of reading comments over at HotAir...

When did they become the waiting room for the Democratic Underground?

Old Lurker

Good luck Jane.

maryrose

Jane:
I respect your decision and wish you well. You stand on principle and I admire that. You are a great poster and a good friend to us all here at JOM.Keep up the good fight, you have been an inspiration to me these last few years.

dublindave

Jane will have to get drug tested while applying for unemployment...that means peeing into a cup and praying traces of methamphetamine don't show up!

ABO becasue OMG  !           Sandy Daze

DoT - As of this moment she is listed as the Leo Gottlieb Professor of Law.

I do not know if that signifies anything or not.

Rick Ballard

Sandy,

I was going to paint a twenty year old wooden shade cover a couple of weeks ago. It had been painted about six years ago and needed new paint - I thought. You can look at a structure every day for years but you don't necessarily really look at it until you plan to paint it again. When I really looked at it, I noticed some wrinkles in the paint on the 2X8 joists. Curious as to what might cause a wrinkle, I scraped some paint off and found pervasive rot down five inches into the 2X8. When I popped off the slats over the joists, two out of the six joists just collapsed, I broke the other four by tugging on them. My shade cover was just painted rot - and much more dangerous than anyone would have imagined by just looking at it.

That's Harvard Law School.

bgates

I just want to say that I do not reject the message of that crappy video. The video portrays Muhammad as a madman that is making it up as he goes along according to what he wants at the moment. A power hungry, perverse, sick, murdering thug. I do not disagree with that assessment of him or his religion/political system.

I'm with Janet.

And I want to know when Obama will apologize to the world for John Kerry. Mohammed wasn't the only guy to build an empire across much of Asia through the conquest and enslavement of his enemies, yet John Kerry defamed one such great man by comparing him to the US military.

The future must not belong to those who slander Genghis Khan.

Janet

Let me look Deb...I cut/pasted it from Weasel Zippers.

DebinNC

Obama at UN: "Even as there will be huge challenges that come with a transition to democracy [in Libya/Egypt], I am convinced that ultimately government of the people, by the people and for the people is more likely to bring about the stability, prosperity, and individual opportunity that serve as a basis for peace in our world,"...

Thank God our founders made us a republic and not the "democracy" BOzo longs to "transition" us into.

Melinda Romanoff

Jane-

I hope you didn't lose sleep over that decision. Your next gig will be even better.

Dave (in MA)

Rick, didn't you ever learn that you're not supposed to remove structural paint?

Danube of Thought

Reality begins to infect the paraites. W.R. Mead:

"The federal government that Democrats like to portray as the friend of the friendless, the hope of the poor, the light of the world and the most generous uncle that ever lived has turned into the most inexorable, hard hearted and relentless debt collector in the nation, hounding a generation of students literally into their graves over loans they will never be able to pay and which they cannot escape. Using techniques that are banned by law when it comes to private debt collection agencies, the federal government is exempt from statutes of limitations and bankruptcy rulings and can garnish Social Security checks and disability payments. Yes, handicapped, disabled people can have their meager checks cut to satisfy student loan debt on jobs their disabilities now make it impossible to do."

Yes We Can!

DebinNC

Drat! I knew TOTUS sabotaging BOzo at UN was too good to be true, Janet. Weazel Zippers is at fault for misquoting the speech.

Stephanie

"Barack Obama is the replacement referee of American presidents." ~ Stephen Sheiko

via Facebook

ABO becasue OMG  !           Sandy Daze

Thanks, Rick.

Janet

Here is the CNN transcript.

It looks like WZ got the transcript wrong. Sorry.

Kurt

Regarding Clarice's theory about professors who helped Obama by offering special "studies" courses in which he could earn high grades, it may be true, but it wasn't even a necessity for him to graduate Magna Cum Laude in those days, if you consider the evidence reported in this post from some time ago. Harvard had an issue with inflated Latin honors for many years. The law school addressed it in 1999, according to the LA Times article linked at the above post, and Harvard College addressed it around 2000 or 2001.

DebinNC

Sorry.

I'm very sorry for causing you to revisit it. Thanks for taking the trouble though.

Janet

On to bigger & better things, Jane!!!

hit and run

The future must not belong to those who target Coptic Christians in Egypt – it must be [blah blah blah]. The future must not belong to those who bully women – it must be shaped by [blah blah blah]. ...

The future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of Islam. Yet to be credible, those who condemn that slander must also condemn the hate we see when [blah blah blah]. It is time to heed the words of Gandhi: “Intolerance is itself a form of violence and an obstacle to the growth of a true democratic spirit.”

--stuff Obama said

Reminds me of Obama's speech after the Virginia Tech murders -- after dozens of innocents had been gunned down, Obama used the occasion to tell us, "There's another type of violence . . . the verbal violence [of Don Imus]. The violence of kids not getting a good education. The violence when someone's job is shipped overseas."

People are dying at the hands of thugs and terrorists. And Obama uses words like "target" and "bully" instead. He worries about the "slander" of the religion in whose name those killings are taking place -- but only talks about the people committing the murders with words such as "hate".

And in not mentioning the actual killings, he refers us to Ghandi and promotes the idea that the whole problem is "intolerance".

It's the old Ace formulation turned on its head ... "32 Innocent Copts Killed by Intolerance and Mortars. But Mostly Intolerance" "Young Woman Who Was Raped by Her Uncle, Killed to Preserve Family Honor by Bullying and Beheading. But Mostly the Bullying"

It also reminds me of the forum Obama and McCain attended at Saddleback Church in 2008. Pastor Rick Warren asked whether evil exists and if it does, “do we ignore it? Do we negotiate with it? Do we contain it? Do we defeat it?”

Obama's answer? "Confront it."

To Obama that means give a speech (with code words to hide or blur the true nature of the evil).

Rob Crawford
It also reminds me of the forum Obama and McCain attended at Saddleback Church in 2008. Pastor Rick Warren asked whether evil exists and if it does, “do we ignore it? Do we negotiate with it? Do we contain it? Do we defeat it?”

Obama's answer? "Confront it."

The Chicago Way -- confront it to see what kind of deal you can cut.

DebinNC

Excellent, hit. Really, really excellent.

Melinda Romanoff

How novel.

Unskewed polls is down. I wonder how that happened?

Melinda Romanoff

Back up.

nevermind.

Janet

Excellent, hit. Really, really excellent.

Amen. So good!

pagar

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/kt-mcfarland-obama-blocked-mitt-romney-from-meeting-with-world-leaders-at-un-video/

" And so the administration doesn’t want to get Romney in those pictures with world leaders because he’ll look presidential.”

No need to worry about that with Obama!

GMAX

I see on the last thread someone asked why is RAS using a D + 4.5 spread when his own monthly survey shows the self ID to be 4.5% R.

Well that is a great question. One that should be posed to Scotty at your first opportunity.

I will point out that Nate Silver went on a rampage against Scott on his methodology and Scott backed down. I think Scott knows that he is misweighting, but dreads the verbal beating Silver would likely administer, since no time in recent history has a Presidential election been R + anything. There is a first time for everything, and just like the 2008 election being a third standard deviation black swan event ( or is it a half black swan event?_) this election is going to plow a little fallow ground methinks...

rse

"common humanity" is the term Marxists use over and over again. And systems theorists.

And DOT-no way bo mastered easements and usufructs.

And Jane, I am sorry. You know you have the talent though and plenty of others do too.

OK- I tried to make this point on Garbar's story on Ayers at PJ but it's been 7 hours and it is still missing. It is CASEL that is the real link with Ayers. And according to the 2013 Guide published on Sept 20 for preschool and elem kids, LDH is on the CASEL Board. As I also tried to point out CASEL is implicated in that Crucible higher ed report as well that I covered in the September 10 "College Ready as a Goal of K-12 is not Helpful if First You Gut the Historic Purpose of College."

Honestly, Ayers is not writing the curriculum, he is involved in making changing the student the whole point of what goes on in the classroom. You get their with SEL and a learner focus as JOM readers know even if PJ cannot.

http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/instilling-desired-feelings-and-political-values-via-sel-in-children-taps-for-the-republic/

is both a CASEL and a systems thinking story since the schemers keep declaring they need to target values to get the transformation. Rick I remembered my Hayek on scientism.

CH-this is the one you asked me about. Porch and daddy too.

And if we can turn this around we will use the trumpet for "Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy" instead of Taps

Soylent Red

And in not mentioning the actual killings, he refers us to Ghandi and promotes the idea that the whole problem is "intolerance".

Ever wonder how the self-proclaimed champions of gay rights, wimmyn's rights, sexual liberation, anti-religious speech, profanity, and moral relativism aren't putting Islam directly in their crosshairs?

Tolerance. Islam is the religion and societal structure of millions and millions of foreign Third World brown people who don't speak English, and are victims of Western colonial imperialism. Therefore, we must tolerate their intolerance. These dipshits will coexist right up to the point where bearded fanatics line them up on the open pit.

The Chicago Way -- confront it to see what kind of deal you can cut.

Confront it and see how much they will contribute to your re-election campaign in return for special favors.

Melinda Romanoff

SR-

It's only about the money.

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